Senators of the 110th Congress:
Akaka, Daniel K.- (D – HI) — AYE
Alexander, Lamar- (R – TN) — NAY
Allard, Wayne- (R – CO) — NAY
Barrasso, John- (R – WY) — NAY
Baucus, Max- (D – MT) — AYE
Bayh, Evan- (D – IN) — AYE
Bennett, Robert F.- (R – UT) — NAY
Biden, Joseph R., Jr.- (D – DE) — AYE
Bingaman, Jeff- (D – NM) — AYE
Bond, Christopher S.- (R – MO) — NAY
Boxer, Barbara- (D – CA) — AYE
Brown, Sherrod- (D – OH) — AYE
Brownback, Sam- (R – KS) — NAY
Bunning, Jim- (R – KY) — NAY
Burr, Richard- (R – NC) — NAY
Byrd, Robert C.- (D – WV) — AYE
Cantwell, Maria- (D – WA) — AYE
Cardin, Benjamin L.- (D – MD) — AYE
Carper, Thomas R.- (D – DE) — AYE
Casey, Robert P., Jr.- (D – PA) — AYE
Chambliss, Saxby- (R – GA) –
Clinton, Hillary Rodham- (D – NY) — AYE
Coburn, Tom- (R – OK) — NAY
Cochran, Thad- (R – MS) — NAY
Coleman, Norm- (R – MN) — NAY
Collins, Susan M.- (R – ME) — NAY
Conrad, Kent- (D – ND) — AYE
Corker, Bob- (R – TN) — NAY
Cornyn, John- (R – TX) — NAY
Craig, Larry E.- (R – ID) — NAY
Crapo, Mike- (R – ID) — NAY
DeMint, Jim- (R – SC) — NAY
Dodd, Christopher J.- (D – CT) — AYE
Dole, Elizabeth- (R – NC) — NAY
Domenici, Pete V.- (R – NM) — NAY
Dorgan, Byron L.- (D – ND) — AYE
Durbin, Richard- (D – IL) — AYE
Ensign, John- (R – NV) — NAY
Enzi, Michael B.- (R – WY) — NAY
Feingold, Russell D.- (D – WI) — AYE
Feinstein, Dianne- (D – CA) — AYE
Graham, Lindsey- (R – SC) — NAY
Grassley, Chuck- (R – IA) — NAY
Gregg, Judd- (R – NH) — NAY
Hagel, Chuck- (R – NE) — AYE
Harkin, Tom- (D – IA) — AYE
Hatch, Orrin G.- (R – UT) — NAY
Hutchison, Kay Bailey- (R – TX) — NAY
Inhofe, James M.- (R – OK) — NAY
Inouye, Daniel K.- (D – HI) — AYE
Isakson, Johnny- (R – GA) — NAY
Johnson, Tim- (D – SD) — AYE
Kennedy, Edward M.- (D – MA) — AYE
Kerry, John F.- (D – MA) — AYE
Klobuchar, Amy- (D – MN) — AYE
Kohl, Herb- (D – WI) — AYE
Kyl, Jon- (R – AZ) — NAY
Landrieu, Mary L.- (D – LA) — AYE
Lautenberg, Frank R.- (D – NJ) — AYE
Leahy, Patrick J.- (D – VT) — AYE
Levin, Carl- (D – MI) — AYE
Lieberman, Joseph I.- (I – CT) — NAY
Lincoln, Blanche L.- (D – AR) — AYE
Lott, Trent- (R – MS) — NAY
Lugar, Richard G.- (R – IN) — AYE
Martinez, Mel- (R – FL) — NAY
McCain, John- (R – AZ) — NAY
McCaskill, Claire- (D – MO) — AYE
McConnell, Mitch- (R – KY) — NAY
Menendez, Robert- (D – NJ) — AYE
Mikulski, Barbara A.- (D – MD) — AYE
Murkowski, Lisa- (R – AK) — NAY
Murray, Patty- (D – WA) — AYE
Nelson, Bill- (D – FL) — AYE
Nelson, E. Benjamin- (D – NE) — AYE
Obama, Barack- (D – IL) — AYE
Pryor, Mark L.- (D – AR) — AYE
Reed, Jack- (D – RI) — AYE
Reid, Harry- (D – NV) — AYE
Roberts, Pat- (R – KS) — NAY
Rockefeller, John D., IV- (D – WV) — AYE
Salazar, Ken- (D – CO) — AYE
Sanders, Bernard- (I – VT) — AYE
Schumer, Charles E.- (D – NY) — AYE
Sessions, Jeff- (R – AL) — NAY
Shelby, Richard C.- (R – AL) — NAY
Smith, Gordon H.- (R – OR) — AYE
Snowe, Olympia J.- (R – ME) — NAY AYE
Specter, Arlen- (R – PA) — AYE
Stabenow, Debbie- (D – MI) — AYE
Stevens, Ted- (R – AK) — NAY
Sununu, John E.- (R – NH) — AYE
Tester, Jon- (D – MT) — AYE
Thune, John- (R – SD) — NAY
Vitter, David- (R – LA) — NAY
Voinovich, George V.- (R – OH) — NAY
Warner, John- (R – VA) — NAY
Webb, Jim- (D – VA) — AYE
Whitehouse, Sheldon- (D – RI) — AYE
Wyden, Ron- (D – OR) — AYE
If you have something about the vote of your Senators that you would like to discuss, you can find individual Senate office numbers here.
YAYS — 56
NAYS — 43
Move to reconsider and note the absence of a quorum. Reid switched his vote to no at the end for procedural reasons — to keep the amendment tabled until they can bring it up again at some later point. So we’re still working the vote gang…keep those phones ringing, please.
UPDATE: Official vote tally here.
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Arg!
Is Johnson voting again?
Did I hear Byrd vote no?????
That must have been Burr
Hello Christy…
Sununu aye
Warner hurt.
All three cable news networks are giving time to OJ right now. So much for fundamental liberty.
Can someone who’s better at math than me keep a running tally of the numbers?
where *is* everybody? Guess ya can’t ask important people like U.S. Senators to get off their butts too quickly – no matter how important the vote…
Dems seem united so far…
Looking pretty straight party-line…
Hagel – aye
Coleman–nay. That weasel…
Frank Probst @ 8
restore-habeas.org
Nelson Nebraska-No. F*cker
twȝk @ 11
Christy is faster tho!
Johnson is back—aye.
Byrd —aye
Craig-No
Luger aye
Heh. Lugar-Aye
Gregg – no
(I shoulda called that SOB and told him I know where his house in Florida is)
Lugar – aye!!!!
just kidding about the Gregg thing – not a threat there, NSA guys…
Lugar – aye
Smith – aye!
Clinton, Byrd, Brown, Smith – Aye
Smith-Aye
Craig votes no? That SOB.
My moratorium on Craig bashing is OVER.
Craig NO??? WTF. What he has to lose. . .
You know, this is one of those times where I think Harry Reid should just let them filibuster for a while. I continue to think that the threat of a filibuster is a bluff that needs to be called far more often than it ever is. If the Republicans want to rattle on for the rest of the week about how we need to jettison centuries-old civil rights, I say let them.
JoeLie screws us again
bg @ 24
They should detain him in the Minneapolis airport until his court date.
bg @ 24
Some pervish repug welfare gig.
Lieberman No. No surprise there. Fucker.
Frank Probst @ 25
yeah, anyway!
Ha Pryor-Aye
Lieberman-No big surprise. no
Lie-berman: nay. Yuk.
Biodun @ 10
Are you gonna call his MN office and tell his people what a weasel/treasonous bastard they work for? Please say ‘yes’
Voinovich – NO
jayt @ 26
Shocked! Shocked, I tell you! I’ll be over at the nickel-slots if you need me.
Frank Probst @ 25
You know, this is one of those times where I think Harry Reid should just let them filibuster for a while. I continue to think that the threat of a filibuster is a bluff that needs to be called far more often than it ever is. If the Republicans want to rattle on for the rest of the week about how we need to jettison centuries-old civil rights, I say let them.
I agree. If this one goes south, DEFINITELY make them filibuster the Webb Amendment.
Webb slams McCain on his opposition to his Pro Troop amendment
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..amendment/
Biodun @ 10
Would you have expected anything else?
mui @ 12
I thought I heard aye.
jayt @ 26
He thinks all that equivocating keeps constituents at bay.
Salzar-Aye. Good.
Salazar – aye
Voinovich NO
newtonusr @ 39
I thought that Florida Nelson.
Thanks all for the running tally. I’m at work without access except for you all! :)
I just called Harry Reid’s office and said I vote for FILIBUSTER on Webb and habeas corpus. Let the Republicans tell us why we can’t have our Constitution and why our soldiers are held hostage in Iraq by Republicans.
Murkowski – NO
Snowe drumrolls . . . No. OK No relection for her.
mui @ 43
Pretty sure, but it wouldn’t surprise me to be wrong on Ben.
Snowe – NO
Snowe – waiting…waiting…no
bee-yotch
This one ain’t gonna make it, me-thinks.
Collins – no
Snowe and Collins both No
Snowe no, bummer- she was counted as a Yes
OT but Pope Refused to Meet with Condi Last Month Vatican says…
musicsleuth @ 49
she’s doomed
Tom Allen just got another arrow for his quiver against Collins.
I see Craig from Idaho does not believe in Habeas. Kind of interesting, given his current situation.
can one of the sponsors still vote no to keep this thing alive?
Collins on no – she needs Goopers. They’re all she has left.
It struck me a moment ago, just the fact we are voting on Habeas Corpus is startling, if anyone had told us in 1999 we would ever see this day, we would all have laughed.
Can the Bush legacy get any worse?
Stupid question, the bottom has already fallen out, how far they are willing to keep falling is anyone’s guess.
Snowe just changed her vote to Aye
Collins -No She must really not want to keep her seat.
Ms Snowe is now an aye?
dakine01 @ 59
Seriously????
newtonusr @ 48
restore-habeas has him marked as yes
Clearly another filibuster upheld. Another defeat for our Constitution!
Why did Snowe vote no and then change to aye?
HA Snowe-Aye?
musicsleuth @ 34
The Republicans are going to have to put up the fight of fights in Ohio for Voinvovich’s seat in 2008. The only way they can win in Ohio is if they pull off another election coup by cheating again.
Voinovich has had many opportunities to stand firm against the Bush administration (I do not believe they reflect Voinovich’s beliefs) BUT HE HAS NOT. Thousands of lives have been lost due to the inability of our Reps to stand up to this warmongering regime.
56-43 motion not agreed to
I think Move-On should do a big ad for tomorrow letting people know just who voted against restoratino of Habeas Corpus, with a good fat juicy headline like: These people voted to strip your right of Habeas Corpus and list all the no votes in big type.
twȝk @ 63
I hope so.
Yeas 56
Nays 43
dakine01 @ 51
the list gets ever longer…
Why can’t our side do a better job of leveraging keywords / buzzwords? We should have called this something like:
“American Patriotism Defense Act” or “Supporting American Freedom Act”
Remember “No Child Left Behind”? “Clear Skies Act”? And the absolute most horrific “Patriot Act”?
The GOP knows how to twist public sentiment through the use of keywords.. we need to start playing the game of politics just as hard.
Frank Probst @ 26
Seems like a good plan, doesn’t it?
I think they like to say “we don’t have the votes” as political cover, so they can carry on the business of selling out the country.
Johnathan Ivan @ 72
Because we’re better than that???
That f***ker Craig- the kewl kids ignored him yesterday, so he had to vote with them to try to get them to talk to him again.
Go find a bathroom, Larry. The least you could have done was NOT SHOWN UP if you were going to do this.
Go tap your toes somewhere.
Biodun @ 70
Reid moved to reconsider, they’re voting again.
Snowe just changed her vote after she knew it was defeated anyway. There is a word for that……
DefendOurConstitution @ 64
She’s vulnerable, and probably had to wait for the ok from Mitch to change her vote when it became clear it was safe to do so.
kdh22 @ 74
But Johnathan Ivan’s proposed names have the benefit of being true. Bush’s are misleading at best.
Toby Wollin @ 68
Wonder if they will push it with and add “These Reps betrayed Habeas Corpus”
Paddy @ 77
coward?
Frank Probst @ 25
The Dems just gave the R’s their last chance at public redemption, and the R’s apparently don’t consider their seats as impoortant as their backroom connections.
If they won’t take the opportunity to redeem themselves, then we need to redouble our efforst to go after those “marginal” R’s, I just don’t believe it anymore.
This isn’t a fence they are sitting on, it is the Constitution.
anwaya @ 76
56/43 sounds awfully familiar, like that was the split on some other bill of import? Anybody know?
Joe-Lie–nay. No surprise…
Kathleen
I’ve lived in Ohio for years now, and
I can’t think of the last time I felt well-represented by Voinovich. He has gone along with every crap GOP plundering plan they come up with.
He cries pretty for the teevee but that just isn’t enough.
Kathleen @ 80
Part of the copy needs to explain what Habeas Corpus actually DOES for us. I think 99% of the people in this country do not understand what it means at all.
Kathleen @ 80
they have Betrayed US!
Elliott @ 81
politician
Republicans have just voted not to cut off debate on Habeas Corpus. I say the time has come to extend the hand of bipartisanship and take them up on this.
Let’s debate habeas corpus for three more hours, and vote on cloture again.
Let’s debate it again tomorrow, all day long, and vote on cloture again.
If they want to keep debating this, Reid ought to graciously allow them to do it, all day and all night. The GOP knows that they are on the wrong side of this, and the more time spent debating it, the worse they will look. Make them keep talking and digging their political holes even deeper.
Paddy @ 77
Shell voting. LIeberman used to be a master at that before he came out as full Reputhuglican.
Peterr @ 89
I like that idea!
Sad day. When does this stuff make it to the Supremes? Presumably they will overturn it once there is a Democrat in the White House. Can’t have the party of the FFH’s arresting people without charges, you know.
jayt @ 78
SLEAZY..THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR HER.
It does not bode well for Webb after this. My prediction: Webb cloture fails 59-40.
Here’s a good catch=phraze for our next crop of lawmakers.
“Take the politics out of politics!”
Non Partisan movement, anyone?
DefendOurConstitution @ 94
I hope you’re wrong, but….
newtonusr @ 57
Plus her best buddy HoJoe is helping her with fundraising & selling her soul to the likes of . . .?
Peterr @ 89:
Agreed. Interesting to see what develops from here on end…
This might be the beginning of the End Game for this administration.
Kathleen @ 93
shows she’s a woman of no principles.
DefendOurConstitution @ 94
Who knows, they may be perfectly willing to vote against “liberal concepts” like habeas corpus but they might just be willing to “support the troops.”
Or am I being Pollyanna once again?
Webb Amendment coming up…
jayt @ 78
Snowe is the safe one. Collins is the one in a world of hurt which makes Snowe’s vote all the more puzzling.
Toby Wollin @ 99
Paramount lesson I learned recently:
All women are not good women. Collins: case in point.
That was quick, what happened to the filibuster?
McCain wants to link the Warner Amendment to the Webb Amendment.
Sleazy…
McCain/Warner? What a sleazy move.
Is there a back door here? If the house put this language in its bill, (assuming the Senate failed) couldn’t it be put back in conference so that it would be an up or down vote in reconciled version?
Just looking for a plan B….
McCain wants time agreement on debate.
Sleazy…
So Senator Craig voted nay despite his legal troubles. You might think his own experience might make him a little more sensitive to the need for legal protections but then he is a Republican so coherence and consistency don’t mean that much.
I think I got all the registered votes and the one change from Snowe at the last minute. Did I miss anyone?
A 60 vote on the amendments coming up…
just called to thank my Indiana Senators and to re-affirm my position in favor of the Webb Amendment.
Now to call Reid and urge an actual filibuster on the Webb Amendment if necessary…
Biodun @ 105
What’s the Warner amendment?
It amazes me that the gubmint-hating party of St Ronnie want to give so much power to the … government … (and decimate the constitution they are sworn to protect and defend contemporaneously)… I guess it must be something in the water they serve at the cocktail parties they all go to with the K-Street boyz and grrlz, because I can’t figure out another reason except maybe they don’t want to admit THEY WERE FUCKING WRONG THEN (2006) AND STILL ARE. (sorry for shouting)
Surprize to no one, Lieberfuck voted with the republicanz. I wonder if there is any buyers remorse in CT yet?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
looks good to me,
thanks Christy!
Knut Wicksell @ 92
You presume much, my friend! I have no faith, whatsoever, in this Court. If they do overturn it, I would wager it will be by a 5-4 decision.
edit I meant overturn vice uphold, but I guess it is the same, either way.
How can there be an absense of a quorum if there were just 99 people casting votes?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
Christy what happens now. What should we do?
Hugh @ 109
Except that he seems to not understand that there is a bus undercarriage with his name on it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
You don’t have votes up for Alexander or Chambliss. I think both voted nay.
Hugh @ 109
Craig(R- Not gay) the hypocrite is hopeful that if he votes with the R’s they (and MN voters) will overlook his bathroom behavior.
mui — They will likely try and bring it up again at some point. They are moving on to the Webb amendment while they look at possible strategy on this, as I understand it. So we keep pushing and, in the meantime, keep making calls on the Webb Amendment as well.
Biodun @ 108
McCain lied big time on Meet the Press this past Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/
Click Senators square off on Iraq
As admirable as the Webb amendment is, it will do nothing to slow down the war. Gates already said that it just means that more reserves will be going to Iraq. A very nicely worded veiled threat.
Peterr — I just went back over my TIVO of the votes, and I didn’t have a vote registered out loud for either man. They may have voted and it just wasn’t announced. If anyone can find a link to the Senate votes that is official for them — or others — I’d appreciate it.
should Reid not know by now, via whip count, whether or not a *real* filibuster is needed for the Webb Amendment?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
I’m pretty sure that Lamar! voted nay. One did not vote, don’t know who.
Frank Probst @ 117
it’s frequently used as a time-out while other work/negotiation happens… and it could be true, senators run in to vote and then run back to their hearings.
p.s. thanks everyone, especially christy, for the effort… it’s not over yet.
hackworth @ 121
Craig was arrested in MN but the voters he supposedly represents are those of Idaho.
Copy, paste, and keep it handy for 2008.
Alexander, Lamar- (R – TN) –
Allard, Wayne- (R – CO) — NAY
Barrasso, John- (R – WY) — NAY
Bennett, Robert F.- (R – UT) — NAY
Bond, Christopher S.- (R – MO) — NAY
Brownback, Sam- (R – KS) — NAY
Bunning, Jim- (R – KY) — NAY
Burr, Richard- (R – NC) — NAY
Cardin, Benjamin L.- (D – MD) —
Chambliss, Saxby- (R – GA) –
Coburn, Tom- (R – OK) — NAY
Cochran, Thad- (R – MS) — NAY
Coleman, Norm- (R – MN) — NAY
Collins, Susan M.- (R – ME) — NAY
Corker, Bob- (R – TN) — NAY
Cornyn, John- (R – TX) — NAY
Craig, Larry E.- (R – ID) — NAY
Crapo, Mike- (R – ID) — NAY
DeMint, Jim- (R – SC) — NAY
Dole, Elizabeth- (R – NC) — NAY
Domenici, Pete V.- (R – NM) — NAY
Ensign, John- (R – NV) — NAY
Enzi, Michael B.- (R – WY) — NAY
Graham, Lindsey- (R – SC) — NAY
Grassley, Chuck- (R – IA) — NAY
Gregg, Judd- (R – NH) — NAY
Hatch, Orrin G.- (R – UT) — NAY
Hutchison, Kay Bailey- (R – TX) — NAY
Inhofe, James M.- (R – OK) — NAY
Isakson, Johnny- (R – GA) — NAY
Kyl, Jon- (R – AZ) — NAY
Lieberman, Joseph I.- (I – CT) — NAY
Lott, Trent- (R – MS) — NAY
Martinez, Mel- (R – FL) — NAY
McCain, John- (R – AZ) — NAY
McConnell, Mitch- (R – KY) — NAY
Murkowski, Lisa- (R – AK) — NAY
Roberts, Pat- (R – KS) — NAY
Sessions, Jeff- (R – AL) — NAY
Shelby, Richard C.- (R – AL) — NAY
Snowe, Olympia J.- (R – ME) — NAY AYE
Stevens, Ted- (R – AK) — NAY
Thune, John- (R – SD) — NAY
Vitter, David- (R – LA) — NAY
Voinovich, George V.- (R – OH) — NAY
Warner, John- (R – VA) — NAY
solai @ 124
Gates deliberated used the phrase “cobble together” on that.
solai at 124 — The Webb Amendment covers guard and reserves. Gates’ threat is an empty one, and he knows it.
solai @ 124
The reservists could say no, no?
oops, drop Cardin…
solai @ 124
If you are a soldier in Iraq, the Webb Amendment means a great deal.
Any update on Senator Sherrod Brown’s vote?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 125
official roll call should show up here very soon.
Snowe, Olympia J.- (R – ME) — NAY AYE*
…that will be an asterisk of historic proportions. How much more transparently profane can it get?
JEP @ 138
I’m surprised that Lieberman didn’t change his vote.
selise @ 137
I think it takes about 30 minutes to an hour for them to post it.
But I can wait.
((tapping foot))((looking at watch))Is it there yet?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 125
I heard a “mr. Alexander” call around the same time vitter, burr and ensign voted.
Just sent this to OH’s soon-to-be-former senator v:
i’m utterly disgusted with him, not to mention warner & a buncha others. am i correct that Dems. ALL voted AYE? Even Tim Johnson is there! Bless his heart!
Kathleen @ 135
No argument here. But, how many reserves are standing by that have never been to Iraq?
Peterr @ 140
that is my experience also (when i’ve watched), but i don’t know of a quicker on-line official source.
JEP @ 138
Seriously? Did she change her vote? Can you do that? Hope for Collins?
solai @ 139
Olympia just showed her true colors..less integrity than than Lieberman.
On Democracy Now Amy Goodman announced that Kucinich and Gravel have been cut out of the last two debates in Iowa.
Did I see an article somewhere about Obama and Clinton being overheard discussing cutting some of the candidates out of the process?
Here are a few of those articles about Obama and Clinton discussing cutting other candidates
http://www.blogrunner.com/snap…..004B88641/
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/07/ap-
clinton-edwa.html
Seems Obama and Clintons efforts to halt the Democratic process have been successful.
Snowe’s new nickname is Nayeye… and anyone who sees hope in that fickle profanity needs some civics lessons.
Reid’s office was polite and receptive to a suggestion that the Webb Amendment is the perfect issue on which to keep ‘em up all night again…
Paddy @ 6
he smell fishy. whut’re post-retirement plans?
mui @ 90
JoeLieb and the rest of the Kosher Nostra are united in one goal: the election of Hillary Clinton.
Just in case Bush forgets to invade Iran.
From Rep Dennis Kucinch’s website. About being cut out of the process.
http://action.dennis4president.com/blog/view/id_14
51
Is it a coincidence that Kucinich was cut out soon after the overheard conversation of Obama and Clinton ?
Isn’t it time to stop this stupid practice of no-filibuster filibusters? Make them really filibuster something for a change.
None of our goals are achievable until this changes. I’d like to see some reporter ask a Senator about that next time.
solai @ 139
Because he knows he’s finished in CT. He can only count on his fellow Rethugs from here on out. He doesn’t play the shell game anymore.
Adie @ 150
flying biplanes…
Kathleen @ 147
iirc, it was clinton and edwards.
shit. i HATE it when Democrats show that they hate democracy. i’m going to call all the campaigns of the other candidates and ask that they demand inclusion of all in the debates.
Maybe we should have used McCain’s own words against him: It’s not about them; it’s about us!
Protest at Davenport Debate 9/20!
09/19/2007 00:54:03
As we know, Kucinich, who is the only voice for a single payer universal health care system, was not invited to the Harkin Steak Fry, a very important event for Iowa, and has been excluded from the debate in Davenport this Thursday. If anyone has the inspiration to go to Iowa, the plan is to protest at the entrance of the Adler Theater (136 E. 3rd Street/Davenport, IA 52801) where the debate is being held this Thursday the 20th from 5 to 7 PM.
If you’re unable to make the trip, please complain about this unfair decision to AARP (1-888-687-2277; can’t find an e-mail address for complaints/comments) and to PBS (http://www.pbs.org/aboutsite/aboutsite_feedback.html).
Elliott @ 30
Second that! ;->
If we cain’t git their vote, i just luvs tuning in to see them late nite, droning on so-o-o sleepy, poor wretched children, makeup smeared, hairpieces askew. Git th’ popcorn Madge!
Hagel sounding quite liberated and Democratic…
One would hope that he becomes an example for other R’s who are forced to continue to vote against their consciences… (of course, that begs the questions of whether there *is* such a thing as a Repub with a conscience, but still..)
“Suit the boyscouts up on weekends…”
Chuck’s getting tough.
We should also be calling Obama and Clinton about Kucinich being cut out. This does not look good for either of them.
Could Rove be advising them?
JEP @ 154
OMG! u kidding? if not, i just hope OH’s outta range.
I hope Bush doesn’t get wind of that “boy scout” idea…
Adie @ 150
Getting Tom Davis elected as his successor, I suspect. What a disgrace.
JEP @ 160
Hagel has been getting tough for quite awhile
Google John Warner biplanes.
Just confirmed that Alexander did, indeed, vote no. But no vote confirmation from Chambliss that I can find from anyone.
Kathleen @ 161
Edwards and Clinton, not Obama and Clinton. Edwards and Clinton discussed the exclusion.
Oh shut up McCain…
McCain sure got skills in the asskissing department.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 168
I probably scared him with my email.
Biodun @ 168
Do we KNOW that they discussed this?
Snowe, toooo sleazy!
Mainers are blunt, straight spoken folk. Her phony five minute flip-flop will not set well if the facts are out.
LET KUCINICH IN THURSDAYS DEBATE IN DAVENPORT IOWA.
Other Democrats “rigging the game”
http://www.dennis4president.co…..me”/
thank you Edwards and Clinton. Lots of articles
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpo…..-edwa.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 167
The official vote is up at the Senate site – Chambliss did not vote.
Twain @ 172
Lots of articles about the overheard Edwards(sorry not Obama) and Clinton discussion.
Ott @ 170
McCain is an excellent Bush toady.
raven @ 171
HEY! Good for you! I tried same with OH – v*vitch. Just.Fed.Up. SHAME on those people!
Ott @ 170
Sure hope he gets flushed bigtime this time out. Send him into retirement with something to remember.
Twain @ 172
Yes. The mike picked it up. It was all over MSM…
There’s my senator, McCain, talking about how you can’t support the troops without supporting the mission, and we need to support the mission. There’s only one problem with that, Senator:
NOBODY CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THE MISSION IS!
Except Greenspan, apparently.
SunnyNobility @ 174
Did she explain her change of vote? Linky?
Badwater @ 179
He has always been Bush’s toady. Look at his voting record. He’s like John Warner, a lot of hot air, but when voting time came, always dependable to vote with the wing nuts.
ehc20 @ 182
Apparently he’s also annoyed this amendment is up again so he has to show how little he really cares about the troops through his votes.
Twain @ 172
I’ve seen a video tape of them discussing making the debates into smaller groups with only the A students in the one group. That would be Hillary, Edwards, and Obama. That’s all they care about. I suppose Biden, Dodd, and Richardson are lucky they’ve been let in. What about Gravel?
PeterK @ 184
Didn’t Snowe just get reupped? Collins(Joe Lie’s BFF) is the one we can throw out on her ear next year. Everyone seems to confuse the two.
Badwater @ 179
McCain is an excellent Bush toady.
Senator Sophist, (R- Magical Thinkers)
edit: (R- Train-Wrecks ‘R’ Us)
Idiot McCain! Unconstitutional for Congress to vote for Webb ammendment?
How about Unconstitutional for Congress to let the President go to War without Congress declaring war? (US Constitution Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11)
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 185
Add Specter to that list. Keep an eye on him, every dang minute. i’d call em a bunch-a sleazy skunks, but that’s not fair to the real skunks. “Pepi laPeu” (sp?) had class.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 188
Right, Collins is up for re-election next year, but not Snowe.
McCain’s totally off the deep end!
emasculate this surge?
A bit late for that…
McCain cares more about his surge than his soldiers.
Apparently he is willing to sacrifice anything to maintain the status quo.
Or is he co-opting Bush’s mysteriously shrinking base?
Kathleen @ 136
Brown voted AYE; it’s Ohio’s own idiot, Voinovich who voted NAY. Just called DC and gave one of his staffer’s an earful of disgust on my part.
Told him I didn’t think much of a Senator who’d vote in such a way that it violates his oath of office…
Hmmm, maybe I should repeat that spell next month and add Whiny-vich to the list…
Christy’s upstairs…
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 188
If Specteramous got to vote ‘aye’ (and trust me, he was given permission), then one of the others, Best-Little-Bitch Voinovich is my guess, had to vote nay.
Is there a procedural way to avoid the cloture vote? If there isn’t we better start finding 10 more Senate seats that be gained next year. This is ridiculous.
Chambliss is up in ‘08, still odd he didn’t vote. Hard to imagine he intends softening his image..
Wonder if Gingrich might be eyeing his seat.
PeterK @ 192
…can the manure get any deeper? Old Ms. Nayeye knows she’s got time to take whatever course is politically expedient.
Kathleen @ 177
Here’s a link to the YouTube!
If Hagel does not slap down McCain the way McCain has slapped Webb down, the vote is lost. blah, blah, blah McCain used Bush’s talking points and that is code for All Rs must fillibuster or else they don’t get re-election funds. Let’s hope that Hagel has the morals of his convictions and stands up.
New thread upstairs!
JEP @ 164
I was looking at German WW2 propaganda posters, and this really struck me:
http://www.calvin.edu/academic…..radedu.jpg
Brisingamen @ 194
Any other OH’s here willing to contact the esteemated sen v NOW? i have a “gut feeling” in re certain gut-checking that appears to surface on occasion. Let’s keep up the pressure on him.
Christy. How close is it? Does anyone know? I’ve got Hagel, Lugar, Smith, Specter, Sssssnowe, Sununu AYE. All Dems AYE. Is that correct?
Sorry, I just had to shut it off, this is getting too much like Fox News, only it is our Senate.
McCain’s leaning into the Big Lie so enthusiastically, it sounds like they are putting up maypoles in Bagdad, and dancing in the streets.
I can’t take any more lies today, I’m going for a long walk.
DefendOurConstitution @ 190
Webb specifically and thoroughly killed the unconstitutionality argument even before McCain started speaking. I guess he didn’t pay attention.
i agree McCain’s acting so desperate he’s gone looney the last several days. not making sense at all. just lobbing gobs of stuff frantically in hopes something sticks?
it’s sticking all right, and he’s looking absolutely awful.
PeterK @ 184
Nope, just did it. Will be interesting to watch her web site.
Called Sen. Warner. Asked why he voted “NAY.” The woman thought she could stump me and said “Actually, he thinks the best way to handle this is through a constitutional amendment.”
I said, “EXCUSE ME? It’s in the Constitution! Why do you need a constitutional amendment to something that’s already in the constitution!?”
Spokeslady: “…”
I gave her some more what-for and said thank you-bye.
Phone was busy for a while before I got through so I hope that’s a good sign.
Where was Saxby?
Played golf yesterday with a very active dem who lives in DC. He says that dems are ecstatic. All gooper candidates are in favor of an unpopular war- and it will be tough for them to change position after the primaries- dems set to win the White House..Every congressional vote that requires goopers to go on the record supporting the Clusterfuck war or Clusterfuck himself dooms a few more of em to spending thousands of bone chilling boring hours with their families.
kdh22 @ 133
Not really. The reservist and guards ARE already over there.
I called Coleman and emailed. I’ll get a reply (as per usual) in a few days to 2 weeks with the same old “as important as bla-bla-blah, I voted no because …war… terrorists… fight ‘em over there…bla-bla-blah.
[sigh]
If cloture fails, I say, let them debate. Let’s see who wants to play Jimmy Stewart. Let’s have visuals of the future Strom Thurmonds of the senate speaking ad nausuem against treating our troops with fairness and protecting their safety.
Shorter me: Fuck ‘em.
The upshot is, that when you’re laying the foundation for a dictatorship, you can’t have habes corpus.
And folkss, that’s what they’re doing. And the Dems (the powerful ones) are in on the whole thing.
rwcole @ 211
Never underestimate the ability of over-confident dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Witness: HRC Health plan.
McCain suffers from Tourette’s.
I would like to see someone apply boldface to pols who did not vote along their party lines–good or bad.
Senator Craig loves public bathrooms, but he hates the troops. Who’s the anti-American now?
Four words for ya:
ALLARD
COLEMAN
COLLINS
WARNER
Four more:
UDALL
FRANKEN
ALLEN
WARNER, J
That gets us to 60.
note to rethugs (and especially members of the Wide Stance Caucus: people at risk for prosecution should support habeas corpus.. I mean, it’s enlightened self-interest really….
After watching “hacking the vote” on the way to dc this weekend It’s appearent it doesn’t matter what the hell the people want.I feel there may have been a filabuster proof majority elected the last election cycle,only have that stolen also.If you”re smart Republican you don”t want the fix as apperent as when Saddam received 95% of the votes cast just enough to keep the majority.Talk of “08 is hot air if our votes are stolen.HCPB
“Landrieu, Mary L.- (D – LA) — AYE”
…wonder what Reid dug up on her…
I’m curious. How many of those Repubs, who voted “no” on cloture today, were among those who decried a similar lack of an up-or-down vote (on anything) prior to Nov. 2006? Don’t get me wrong, I think the cloture procedure should be preserved as a check on the power of “slight” majorities on controversial issues. And, I don’t think the Dems should employ the “nuclear option” by making cloture irrelevant or impossible.
(As an aside, I think this kind of mini-filibuster has become de rigeur, thus making the Senate operate by a de facto 3/5 majority, rather than simple majority — not the kind of thing the Constitution intended.)
Nonetheless, shouldn’t somebody be asking these Repub senators why something that is good for the goose today wasn’t good for the gander a year ago? I, personally, called the offices of Sen. Inhofe and Sen. Coburn to ask just that. The verbal gymnastics necessary to justify the vote on today’s cloture, in light of previous opposition to similar moves by once in-the-minority Dems, was Comaneci-esque.
Ordered by vote and party affilation
Lincoln Blanche L - ( D - AR) AYE
Pryor Mark L. - ( D - AR) AYE
Boxer Barbara - ( D - CA) AYE
Feinstein Dianne - ( D - CA) AYE
Salazar Ken - ( D - CO) AYE
Dodd Christoph - ( D - CT) AYE
Biden, Jr. Joseph R. - ( D - DE) AYE
Carper Thomas R. - ( D - DE) AYE
Nelson Bill - ( D - FL) AYE
Akaka Daniel K. - ( D - HI) AYE
Inouye Daniel K. - ( D - HI) AYE
Harkin Tom - ( D - IA) AYE
Durbin Richard - ( D - IL) AYE
Obama Barack - ( D - IL) AYE
Bayh Evan - ( D - IN) AYE
Landrieu Mary L. - ( D - LA) AYE
Kennedy Edward M. - ( D - MA) AYE
Kerry John F. - ( D - MA) AYE
Cardin Benjamin - ( D - MD) AYE
Mikulski Barbara A - ( D - MD) AYE
Levin Carl - ( D - MI) AYE
Stabenow Debbie - ( D - MI) AYE
Klobuchar Amy - ( D - MN) AYE
McCaskill Claire - ( D - MO) AYE
Baucus Max - ( D - MT) AYE
Tester Jon - ( D - MT) AYE
Conrad Kent - ( D - ND) AYE
Dorgan Byron L. - ( D - ND) AYE
Nelson E. Benjam - ( D - NE) AYE
Lautenberg Frank R. - ( D - NJ) AYE
Menendez Robert - ( D - NJ) AYE
Bingaman Jeff - ( D - NM) AYE
Reid Harry - ( D - NV) AYE
Clinton Hillary R - ( D - NY) AYE
Schumer Charles E - ( D - NY) AYE
Brown Sherrod - ( D - OH) AYE
Wyden Ron - ( D - OR) AYE
Casey, Jr. Robert P. - ( D - PA) AYE
Reed Jack - ( D - RI) AYE
Whitehouse Sheldon - ( D - RI) AYE
Johnson Tim - ( D - SD) AYE
Webb Jim - ( D - VA) AYE
Leahy Patrick J - ( D - VT) AYE
Cantwell Maria - ( D - WA) AYE
Murray Patty - ( D - WA) AYE
Feingold Russell D - ( D - WI) AYE
Kohl Herb - ( D - WI) AYE
Byrd Robert C. - ( D - WV) AYE
Rockefelle John D. - ( D - WV) AYE
Sanders Bernard - ( I - VT) AYE
Lugar Richard G - ( R - IN) AYE
Snowe Olympia J - ( R - ME) AYE
Hagel Chuck - ( R - NE) AYE
Sununu John E. - ( R - NH) AYE
Smith Gordon H. - ( R - OR) AYE
Specter Arlen - ( R - PA) AYE
Lieberman Joseph I. - ( I - CT) NAY
Murkowski Lisa - ( R - AK) NAY
Stevens Ted - ( R - AK) NAY
Sessions Jeff - ( R - AL) NAY
Shelby Richard C - ( R - AL) NAY
Kyl Jon - ( R - AZ) NAY
McCain John - ( R - AZ) NAY
Allard Wayne - ( R - CO) NAY
Martinez Mel - ( R - FL) NAY
Isakson Johnny - ( R - GA) NAY
Grassley Chuck - ( R - IA) NAY
Craig Larry E. - ( R - ID) NAY
Crapo Mike - ( R - ID) NAY
Brownback Sam - ( R - KS) NAY
Roberts Pat - ( R - KS) NAY
Bunning Jim - ( R - KY) NAY
McConnell Mitch - ( R - KY) NAY
Vitter David - ( R - LA) NAY
Collins Susan M. - ( R - ME) NAY
Coleman Norm - ( R - MN) NAY
Bond Christoph - ( R - MO) NAY
Cochran Thad - ( R - MS) NAY
Lott Trent - ( R - MS) NAY
Burr Richard - ( R - NC) NAY
Dole Elizabeth - ( R - NC) NAY
Gregg Judd - ( R - NH) NAY
Domenici Pete V. - ( R - NM) NAY
Ensign John - ( R - NV) NAY
Voinovich George V. - ( R - OH) NAY
Coburn Tom - ( R - OK) NAY
Inhofe James M. - ( R - OK) NAY
DeMint Jim - ( R - SC) NAY
Graham Lindsey - ( R - SC) NAY
Thune John - ( R - SD) NAY
Alexander Lamar - ( R - TN) NAY
Corker Bob - ( R - TN) NAY
Cornyn John - ( R - TX) NAY
Hutchison Kay Baile - ( R - TX) NAY
Bennett Robert F. - ( R - UT) NAY
Hatch Orrin G. - ( R - UT) NAY
Warner John - ( R - VA) NAY
Barrasso John - ( R - WY) NAY
Enzi Michael B - ( R - WY) NAY
Chambliss Saxby - ( R - GA) –
The code tag doesn’t seem to fix the white space. Bummer.
Being completely nitpicky here, but that’s not a photo of the original Magna Carta.
The original copy is complete and easily legible with no significant damage, and is kept at the Charter House of Salisbury Cathedral in Hampshire, England, UK.
A photo of this document is available at salisburycathedral.org.uk/gallery.php?id=8.
Living in Ohio can be a drag, and I’m surprised that Voinovich seems so determined to return instead of continuing his Senate career.
That should be http://www.salisburycathedral…….php?id=8.
RevDeb @ 54
Aye, well put!
Wow!!! Both of my senators (Bayh-D and Lugar-R) voted FOR closture. I’m very pleased to be from Indiana (at least until my congressman Mike Pence-R opens his mouth on any topic).
If the Dems have a majority what else is needed? What is “cloture”? Help I am so ignorant!
You know, when these rightards talk about how terrible it is to allow immigrants in because it “dilutes our heritage”, you’d think it would occur to them that…
LOL. Who am I kidding? Anyone who votes for these fuckers doesn’t have things’ occurring to them.
Notice all the Nays are among Repubs and Leiberman. Nary an exception. This should be hung aroung their necks.
alank @ 225
Toby Wollin @ 68
More than that — they voted to OVERTURN THE CONSTITUTION
What the f%ck good are “unalienable rights” if the criminals in our government suspend them?
selise @ 156
Edwards told Clinton the press was minimizing some of the candidates and making them all look ridiculous. So, he said something about shrinking the debates to only the candidates the press would actually question. Nothing came of it back then. I wonder why it’s being done now.
I don’t think any of the candidates especially wanted the field shrunk.
Still, come primary time the wide field only helps Hillary and Obama as the more Progressive/Liberal vote would get split up among 4-5 candidates.
I’m hoping the more Left vote goes to Edwards and the conservative vote gets split evenly between Hillary and Barack. That ought shake up everything very nicely.
How’s the weather out in Iowa and up in New Hampshire these days?
I’d expect a lot of the campaigning will be moving in-doors and the speeches will get more personal and less stratified. More hand-shaking smiling and huggin’ and less oratory.
Still, the speech content should be a mix of abstract concept and vision on the one hand and some detail of plans and how they’d impact individual lives on the other hand.
People really want to know what impact a candidate as president would have on them.
On debating, filibustering, cloture votes and final votes:
In the Senate a side which doesn’t have enogh votes to stop a bill’s passage can continue debate indefinately. That’s called a filibuster. In olden days that was all. you could filibuster forever or stop and let the vote on the bill go forward. But, in recent days a filibuster can be ended if you have 60 votes — that’s called cloture because it’s like a blood clot stopping the flow of blood. If you have 60 votes you can clot debate and move on to actually voting on the bill — usually passing it.
There are a few more details about procedures, but that’s the big one.