Planned Parenthood has built one of it’s largest medical clinics to date in the the southwest Chicago suburb of Aurora, Illinois. This is a comprehensive health care facility. The next nearest Planned Parenthood clinic is a 70 mile round trip away.
Planned Parenthood isn’t just abortions, it’s birth-control, pre natal and post natal maternal care, it’s sexually transmitted disease care, it’s even primary “I have a cold with sniffles” health care. It’s also breast cancer screening and general gynecological care.
For the poor. And the uninsured.
I don’t know about Chicago, but on Long Island one of the biggest (and some years it is THE biggest) providers of medical care to those below the poverty line, is Planned Parenthood. This is flu shots and sick babies, mammograms and cervical cancer screening.
This is basic health care. For poor people.
But because the parameters of that health care include abortions—legal abortions—Planned Parenthood is, once again, the subject of demonstrations, protests and now discrimination by the government of Aurora caving in to the demands of angry protesters.
On August 16th, the City of Aurora gave PP a temporary permit to open. The permanent permit would come after some final inspections and paperwork. This is common. However, after the temporary permit was issued, protesters started complaining to City Hall, showing up at hearings and holding demonstrations in front of the clinic site. The city, without apparent legal justification, yanked the permit.
Tomorrow Planned Parenthood will be in federal court in Chicago asking for a Temporary Restraining Order to stop the City from withdrawing the permit. Later today, they are launching a blogsite where they will be liveblogging tomorrow’s hearing in federal court.
Everybody is following the FDL model for covering federal court cases I guess.
The City of Aurora is claiming that it was somehow “misled” about the nature of the services that would be provided when it issued the permit.
Please let me call bullshit on this. As long as the services are legal medical procedures and as long as the facility conforms to the relevant zoning (i.e. is in an area zoned for medical facilities), the NATURE of the medical services to be provided are not a valid exercise of land use power. There is so much case law on this issue, it could choke a horse.
Let me give you an illustrative example, the city can permit or deny the right to operate a restaurant in a given zone, but if the zoning permits restaurants, it cannot dictate the menu. I cannot discriminate in favor of hamburger joints and against pizza joints or tofu joints.
As to claims by Planned Parenthood opponents that the organization “misled” the city about the type of medical facility it would operate, today’s filing argues that those accusations are factually and legally wrong — and irrelevant.
“The City of Aurora’s fig leaf argument that it was ‘misled’ about the nature of the services that Planned Parenthood intends to provide at its facility is neither factually nor legally persuasive,” PP/CA says.
As a factual matter, the complaint[filed by PP in fedral court] notes that Planned Parenthood had publicly announced its intention to operate a medical facility providing a full range of reproductive services — including birth control, family planning counseling and abortions — in a front-page Chicago Tribune story in late July, well before the city issued the temporary occupancy permit on August 16.
“Only when protesters began appearing at the Planned Parenthood facility in late August and testifying at public hearings before the City of Aurora, did the status of Planned Parenthood’s facility change,” PP/CA argues.
if you live in the Chicago area and want to get a lawn sign or help out in some other way you can check this website. There are also links there for other ways you can help. I cannot believe that in this day and age, they still have to build women’s health clinics with bullet proof drywall. I cannot believe that in an age of health care crisis, with millions of people uninsured, anybody would block the opening of a brand new free/low cost health care facility.
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And the fights go on.
DAMN…. btw the word “Planned” spelled wrong in the title ….
Hi there LHP. I let downstairs know.
The anti-abortion folks are often the same people who support this war and the killing of Iraqi people. The inconsistency of these beliefs are so hypocritical.
LHP!
Typo in the title, though (Planned)..
Are we still having to fight this issue?
Good Grief!
And check your Headline. :)
:-)
Sheesh. I took my twenty-year old son to These Protests when he was two years old.
Oh…..Freedom. We’ll keep singin’ it untill we get it!
sorry about the OT but I just heard the Webb amendment failed…. another double DAMN
katymine @ 9
Yeah, was liveblogged downstairs. *grump*
OT…..Instead of going after Karl Rovers fat butt…Waxman is sending around a petition for Congressman Moran to apologize about his A*P*C comments. This diary at Kos has the details….
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/19/14364/2409
Edited ** and released by MOD
katymine @ 9
In point of fact, the amendment would have passed. The cloture vote failed. Seems nitpicky, I know, but I think it’s critical to keep clear that we’re NOT losing, we’re being held hostage by a minority (abetted by a Senate maj. leader who won’t make the villians work hard for their messes).
Shorter PP protesters: The unborn are sacred, but we don’t give a s*it about the living.
-S
Laura Doty @ 11
Jam Reid’s phonelines to get him to make the R’s actually filibuster…!
This is sad, but not surprising. It’s Hastert’s district and has some die hard reds in it. However, that area is trending blue, so it will get better.
katymine @ 2
That’s how you know this is really Looseheadprop, and not someone pretending to be LHP.
As Randi Rhodes says, “love the fetus, hate the child.”
(waves Hi to Strat! How’s the book coming?)
Peterr @ 15
Oh…an authentication mark? I can grok ;-)
Police arrest people putting up signs but allow whacko’s to run amok and deliberately block the opening of a Clinic. What is wrong with this country?
This is why Planned Parenthood deserves your money. And why NARAL does not.
Anyone watch ‘Weeds’? They have a storyline about fundamentalists talking abortion (calling it murder) to young kids.
I just do not get the people who are against abortions and then supported the invasion of Iraq. Many are all about protecting American fetuses but could give a shit about alive Iraqi people or children
All Americans should be forced to look at pictures of the dead in Iraq
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
solai @ 21
christofascists!
Aurora, Illinois
sits astride the beautiful (but polluted) Fox River
has an Andrew Carnegie library
now the second largest city in Illinois
traditionally a repub stronghold
the YMCA there had great sockhops on Saturday evening in the summers 1960-62
as Thomas Wolfe wrote, you can’t go home again
McCain’s silly amendment failed too
leinie @ 17
Hey Leinie,
After all, the child is no longer useful — well, at least till they’re 18 or so and can vote, right?
The book. I’m still writing it ;-). I hope everything’s great for you. I miss you guys.
-S
Bad amendment failed!
Kathleen @ 22
Print it on cocktail napkins?
55-45
BUMMER
What was that ‘nuclear option’ that the repubs kept threatening? Can the dems use it?
how many of those protesters have adopted and/or fostered ?
or are caring for or are giving time,energy and money to all of the needs that would be met by this clinic?
they are in favour of the desperation of back street abor*tions?
they want women to bleed to death?
they want unrestricted and uncaught STD’s in the community?
they want preventable complications in pregnancy to exist?
they prefer the emergency room ?
I need a drink.
Kathleen @ 4
They are just following their dear leader .. The Decider!!
Frank Probst @ 32
Up on the roof
solai @ 30
I don’t see any downside to just shutting the damn Senate down. Let McCain and Lieberman filibuster until the funding runs out.
A little more background, from the Chicago Tribune:
One weird thing about that Tribune article . . . the link at the end of the article to the website of the City of Aurora goes to the city of Aurora CO, not Aurora IL.
Good alert, LHP–
And now if I may interrupt briefly with OT?
This news bulletin is relevant to FDL:
Why political bloggers can breathe easier
By Eric J. Sinrod, News.com
Published on ZDNet News: Sep 19, 2007 4:00:00 AM
And now please do let’s make some noise about the Chicago PP facility!
Bob in HI
may @ 31
The answer to all of those is a resounding YES. They want women to pay and pay and pay for the sin of fornication. Remember – to these folks, women are the source of ALL sin(oops, forgot Larry Craig).
I was very close to an elderly man who was dead set against abortion. He and his wife could not have children and adopted 4. I never argued with him. He was too good of a person. Him, I respect as he was a true Christian. These people, I’m not so sure about.
now cornyn is submitting a silly petraeus-bj amendment….
Strategerie @ 25
Just fixed that up a bit for ya!
Bob in HI — that happened on Sept 4. ZDNet’s just getting around to it now?
Franco @ 11
What? There is no I-lobby in congress. Waxman is impartial and fair when it comes to every issue. Hogwash.
Rabbi Lerner rises above the lies and tells the truth about the I/P issue. I was able to march with him and have an in-depth conversation with him about the I/P issue during one of the first anti-invasion marches in D.C. during the fall of 2002.
Please call tomorrow for Rep. Moran. He has come out and stood up to the I-lobby several times when they were pushing hard for the invasion and when they were pushing hard to cut off all aid (including humanitarian aid) to the Palestinians.
I’m disgusted that women would protest a clinic that provides gynecological services to other women. Women who can’t afford to go to the doctors the protestors go to. Maybe the next time one of these protesters gets a yeast infection or needs a yearly Pap smear, they should be blocked from going. Or forced to drive hundreds of miles. Or go without medical services.
Friend of a friend in Texas had her cervical cancer diagnosed at PP. She’s only 30. She was uninsured and had nowhere else to go. Without PP, she’d be in a very bad way.
Also, I wonder if these protesters ever ask their gyno if he or she performs abortions? Could be interesting.
I’ll be watching to see how this turns out.
Peace,
RV
looseheadprop,
thank you for this!
When is the public going to realize that Planned Parenthood is not all about abortions, that’s the last resort, that’s what is to be avoided.
It’s FAMILY PLANNING,
which can be done with consideration for ALL religious views.
It’s a needed community resource.
solai @ 30
Ask and you shall receive.
Bob in HI
Christ all mighty they just voted against the troops and are more concerned about the MOve on add. This is absolutely insane…have they no shame?
peanutbutter @ 41
Peanutbutter, I hope I won’t bust the margins with the above, but I had that same thought the second after I hit “submit comment”. After all, we must have Cannon Fodder, right?
GRRRRRR
-S
Kathleen @ 47
No.
Peterr @ 42
Hey, its still September, isn’t it??? :-)
Was it discussed here at the Lake earlier?
Sometimes good news travels slow. Bad news travels fast!
Bob in HI
TheOtherWA @ 15
Just FYI–Technically, the Aurora clinic sits in Judy Biggert’s (R) district (IL-13). Much of Aurora is in Hastert’s district, but portions are not.
I live near this clinic (moved here a year ago from MA) and am aghast at this. I also feel extremely intimidated by the opposition (tons of PP Bad for Aurora lawn signs, no prochoice signs). I have a 5 y/o; we have a hard enough time find a like minded community here that I worry whether she’d have any friends if we put up a lawn sign.Right now I’m giving my support in more behind the scenes ways.
The big problem is that the opposition is a nationally organized RIGHT WING/FUNDAMENTALIST MACHINE. They are probably better organized than the GOP. The progressive community as a whole (not just women’s rights groups) needs to start getting organized on this again and start attacking back in a similar fashion as we are starting to do on the GOP right wing media noise machine. Clearly our freedoms will not remain so if we roll over.
Toby Wollin @ 38
I agree, I think that’s what’s behind a lot of this. make the woman pay, can’t let her get away with it. god forbid she has and enjoys S.E.X.
The Reps who just betrayed the troops by voting no for more down time are more upset about the MOVEON add than taking care of the troops.
I hope MOVEON places an add that says those who voted no on down time for the troops just BETRAYED THE TROOPS.
Is Rove around? Are they stoking the fires?
Oregonians especially Ducks
Kathleen hall Jamieson one of the many rightwing political academics is speaking about political spin at the university’s first convocation. Unless she is apologizing for her role in supporting the swiftboat ads and piling on Kerry anything she says in disengenous. Please go an call bullshit on her
you can google and find plenty of quotes
The ad pimps her with a quote from a Townhall columnist of course most people don’t know that is a site of rightwing loons, It’s a free event open to anyone.
She needs to be asked some questions.
Plus the school has taken tasers off the table
so no problem there.
“Such statements are part of the reason syndicated columnist Paul Greenberg recently dubbed Jamieson the “magisterial arbiter of American eloquence.” She has long excelled at guiding Americans to more insightful analysis of the world.
An expert on political campaigns, she has written numerous books and articles. She is the director for the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania and recently co-authored “un-Spun: Finding Facts in a World of Disinformation.” The appealing and thought-provoking guide to the world of spin is recommended to incoming students for summer reading. The book is available at The Duck Store’s campus location.
University Convocation, set this year for 3:30 p.m. Sunday, Sept. 23, at McArthur Court, is held every year just before the start of fall term to welcome new faculty and students and to remind everyone of the intellectual essence of the university community.
Admission is free. Seating is first-come, first serve. Doors open at 3 p.m.
Fred Thompson is looking forward to the debates in NH!! Can’t wait to hear what he has to say, can you?? Can’t wait to vote for such a super candidate….What’s that you say??? The debates were canceled weeks ago!!!??? D’oh:
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..idnt_know/
LINK
SuburbanGirl
Thanks. It’s hard to keep the district lines straight, especially because they aren’t drawn very straight. *smirk*
Mulling over the two votes today, your post now and also hearkening back to your post of Sunday, LHP, I’m thinking this:
The majority of people in this country want troops out of Iraq. The majority support abortion. The majority want adequate health care for all Americans. But the majority doesn’t really speak. Vote, yes, lately, but speak, no.
We progressives speak, but we reach limited ears. What we need are more voices blending with ours. And that’s why we need to reach out to our co-workers and neighbors and family members and ask them to join us. Some of these people are almost ready and just need encouragement. Others need more information–we certainly know folks relying on MSM aren’t getting a recommended daily allowance of reliable news!–and once they get it, they’ll moved. Still others need to feel listened to and respected before they can budge. But I think we need to do this to get results in anything approaching a timely way. The choir’s great…but we need the cathedral cutting loose with the hymn, too.
I remember over 30 years ago when my first wife drove all the way the NYC from Champaign, Il with her friend to help her through her abortion.
i’m late to the party…ticked off that webb amendment failed and unclear on what happened to the dodd amendment…..that we called our senators about…
solai @ 39
Not to minimize your respect, appropriately so, for this gentleman. He obviously was a good person. However I think it is important to understand another perspective. As an adoptive mother myself (no bio kids), I have a problem with adoption being the “solution” to abortion. I don’t feel a woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will even if there are people willing to adopt. Yeah, no one wants abortion but at issue is a woman’s right to self-determination. While adoption can be a loving act if freely chosen by the birthmother it is coercive if not. Also there is a lifetime of loss shared by birthparents, child, and adoptive parents.
Jonathan @ 24
are you from aurora? i went to HS in naperville and my dad lived for many years in batavia before he passed away.
more than a little conservative is my recollection.
Kathleen @ 4
Even more ironic is the fact that the people who most strenuously oppose abortion are also the ones who most strenuously oppose any assistance to the families with unplanned or accidental children. That’s when they start blathering about personal responsibility and how the women should have thought about that before they got pregnant. So that attitude reinforces that the children are the punishment of their wayward mother (because you can’t blame the absentee fathers, now can you. After all it’s expected that boys will be boys.) The message is almost always that it’s the woman’s fault for opening her legs. In the meantime, you have children growing up with a child for a mother, little or no visible means of support, in many cases, less than a high school education, not enough food and what there is is all junk, learning way too much from the streets, and no adequate social services. Not a good mix and it tends to replicate itself into the following generations. And then society wonders once again why.
In the end, it all comes down to what mjs said way, way back: It’s the War on Women.
This isn’t about stopping abortions, it’s about stopping women from having sex and then punishing them if they do.
*waves to leinie and Strategerie!*
raven, do you think Iraq is going to produce some really, really fucked-up and pissed-off veterans?
as for me i’m grateful to planned parenthood as they were there for me in my younger days… pity PP has been politicized like this and access is being denied to those of limited means – damn are we going backwards in america?
Kathleen @ 53
I hope they do run an ad. I hope they run one every week. This is ridiculous. No more playing nice. I hope MoveOn nails them.
And, yep, I just donated.
Elliott @ 45
Yes, it can be done with consideration of all religious views, however, not practiced. If you are Catholic, your priest may suggest a glass of orange juice in place of sex with contraceptives. The Catholic women in my family all used contraceptives but they want to deny this to other women. It isn’t just abortion these protesters object to, it’s other women using contraceptives. Abstinence is the message.
Aurora is actually a far western suburb, sprawling over 2 counties. It’s heavily Hispanic, with may Catholics. It’s also right next door to Naperville, IL, which is a very heavy Republican area – and a hotbed of soccer moms and stay at home dads who have way too much free time. This, I think, is why they have been so outspoken and determined.
(((SuburbanGirl)))
it’s hard to live where you have hide your real self.
Hey PA Lady!
It isn’t just about punishing – it’s about control.
What an honest and fair letter from Rabbi Lerner
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/19/14364/2409
Remember Norman Finkelstein just resigned at DePaul ( a Jesuit college “supposedly” focused on justice issues) after not being given tenure
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/19/14364/2409
http://www.commondreams.org/ar…..9/06/3669/
Norman Finkelstein is a brave and honorable man and has taken hit after hit for coming out and stating the truth in regard to the I/P issue. He has suffered greatly and marches on.
Please call and stand up for Rep Moran tomorrow
selise at 62
grew up in and around Aurora
went to Oswego HS (with Denny Hastert, btw)
in those days, Naperville was a quiet community of perhaps 5,000
how did you wind up going to CWR?
the U. of I., after all, had a great Chem E program and was basically free
PA_Lady @ 64
Actually the real goal is no birth control. Fundamentalists all of them.
PA_Lady @ 64
Hey, gorgeous!
In the meantime, if women start demanding sexual enjoyment, they won’t want to sleep with Republican men* anymore, and we can’t have that, can we?
-S
*somehow, I’m thinking an evening with a GOP voter wouldn’t be all that and a bag of chips. I’m referencing such shining lights as Mel Gibson and Kelsey Grammer, for example. IMHO, YMMV.
Senator Durbin points out the inconsistency of Senator Cornyn’s amendment calling out the MOVEON Add and comparing the “swiftboating” of Kerry and Max Cleland. Senator Boxer backing Durbin up…..
Strategerie @ 26
And at 18 they’re eligible to join the armed forces and go fight in Iraq, don’t forget!
argh. the dems are comparing the moveon ad to the swiftboating of kerry and what was done to max cleland…. as justificatio for not supporting the anti-moveon amendment.
wtf.
When my sister got married, her husband’s family wanted it to be in the Catholic Church. Before the ceremony, the priest asked me if my sister was, “open to life.” At the time, I can remember thinking that I was not going to ask what he meant by that, because I could honestly say she wants children. I would just fail to mention that she uses birth control and works for Planned Parenthood.
I think the priest was probably one of the good guys for tossing me a softball.
PA_Lady @ 64
Shorter Larry Craig: “Nasty, bad, naughty women having sex. Not with me…no sirree! I’ll show ‘em…tap, tap, tap.”
LHP, good catch. I thought Chi-town was protected with Suin and Drifty livin’ up there and shit. I really like you paid mouthpieces blogging about this stuff. The examples you use to hold up the ridiculous premise of the opposition are always a delight.
This issue was never about rights. It was always about control. “Your daddy knocked you up? Too bad, you are giving birth to your brother.”
As one who enjoys the written word due to the ability to paint pictures out of reach of any other medium, I prefer the use of “coathanger legislation” to identify those who wish to place women in the plumbing section.
selise @ 77
WTF? indeed. Who thought THIS was a good idea?
leinie @ 71
Too true. We’re just large toddlers to them – we need to be “protected” from ourselves.
How’s the wedding planning going?
selise @ 70
No kidding!! Though I do have 2 anti-Bush/GOP bumper stickers on my car.
I have gone from a progressive community to this. It’s been a year of grief and I’m trying to find my way at building community. Sadly, even the Naperville Township Democratic Organization (napervilledemocrats.org) list Democrats for Life and Christian Democrats on the “links of interest” page.
If you are pro-life then you support full health insurance coverage for all, equity in education, living wages and full access to college.
These folks are not pro-life, they are pro-fetus
Jonathan @ 65
It all ready has..I’ve talked to quite a few. They know they were cannon fodder, but were trapped, once your in they own you.
SuburbanGirl @ 74
whatever the goal
the result is
backyard botched horror scenes
undiagnosed STD’s
undiagnosed pre-natal problems
undiagnosed ante-natal problems
taxpayer funded emegency treatment
unexpected pregnancies
lies,secrets and blackmail
Mad Dogs @ 80
ROFL!
Has any Senator yet said “I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it”
PA @ 82 – wedding planning is too overwhelming and scary. I’m reconsidering the elopement option. :)
We’re trying to settle on a date.
Chitown has a lot of Opus Dei. I am sure my cousin is there in front of that facility right now. Cripes.
Ann in AZ @ 63
You can say that again and again..good points
Any word on Nancy Keenan showing up for this? Every woman should sleep better at night knowing her rights and freedoms are being protected by the likes of her.
/snark
may @ 87
Every child should be a wanted and cherished one. Every woman should be entitled to health care that is easy to obtain and affordable. If this is not the case, we are no better than countries we invade to allegedly bring them “democracy”.
-S
Kathleen @ 43
I dream of a future when anyone in our country, including Washington politicians, can speak freely about a certain country in the Middle East without having to fight off the censorship goon squad. I dream of a future when Americans can freely discuss everything that Israelis can freely discuss. I’m dreaming of a future when a fairminded ex-president can write a book about a sensitive subject and… {waking from dream}
Oh, wait– we do have a fair-minded ex-president who has written a book about a sensitive subject (Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid). But he had to withstand a frenzy of polemical vituperation– which served mainly to increase the sales of the book! He could only(?) do that because (a) he has the guts, and (b) he’s retired and not running for any office, and (c) he was right.
I’ve been dreaming a lot lately. This week I’ve been dreaming about how, once again, the genius of our Constitution will assert itself and restore peace and justice in our land. Unfortunately, our Constitution can’t do that all by istelf: it needs willing hands to help. And maybe a new table, already set with Constitutional principles, for Speaker Pelosi.
Bob in HI
Kathleen @ 86
Also, you are a target with a bulls eye on your back and three on your forehead. Keep your cool until you can speak out and live to be a witness to the truth.
Strategerie @ 75
Well, you’d get the bag of chips, er Cheetos. That’d be the only payoff.
Other than my ex – who in today’s climate is a traitorous Commie pinko – most Republicans (esp. the bloggery types) are people I’d pay to keep their clothes on.
Elliott @ 29
The list and it isn’t Schindlers
The 44:
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Voinovich (R-OH)
SuburbanGirl @ 51
Is there an undercurrent of class war here? White, middle class elites alienated from poor minorities?
Bob in HI
selise @ 62
I’m from Villa Park where my dad was raised too. My uncle was in West Chicago for years and then moved to Aurora. They were all dyed in the wool repubs and very conservative. I remain the black sheep although my old man did feel that I earned my right to be against the war after I came home.
I’m
disappointeddejecteddemoralizedjust plain bummed out.
not even close to 60 votes for Webb or Habeas.
leinie @ 90
Elopement is always a good plan. :)
Isn’t is strange how finding a date is so difficult? You’d think that would be the easiest part.
I hope someone brings up the purple heart bandaids
Jonathan @ 73
naperville was, i think, 40-50,000 when i lived there (with 2 highschools).
i don’t really know why i didn’t go to U. of I. other than i had decided i wanted to go out of state (i wanted to be far enough away that my folks couldn’t expect me to come home for weekends). i know, it was stupid, but it seemed important when i was 17.
and i didn’t start out majoring in chem E., i started out in chemistry and then decided it was more practical to get an engineering degree (better job opportunities with a BS in engineering vs. chemistry).
now that i think about it, during my senior year in HS i had a part time job at Amoco Research Center via a co-op program at school. my boss was phd chemist who i really liked and he had gone to case, that’s probably why i thought to go there…
bottom line, i really don’t know why. probably just one of those not very well thought out choices i made as a teenager.
did you go to U. of I. for EE?
OT
Music tonight on vinyl I got at a Goodwill store:
Dorsey brothers (Urania, live performances)
Rachmaninov 3rd Piano Concerto (RCA Victrola, Byron Janis)
Schubert, “Death and the Maiden” (Concert Disc)
Palestrina, “Allegri Miserere” — The Catholic Church kept the score to this music secret. Mozart went to a performance. Recorded it in his head. End of story. Listen to this music.
leinie @ 71
The “family values” crowd does not value families.
They are afraid of people who don’t want to color inside the lines, in the way they understand the lines to be drawn.
Maddy @ 98
One of these things is just like the others.
EDP @ 106 – you highlighted HoJo, and I saw that ID, thought it meant Idaho and thought “Hell no, we don’t want him. We’ve already got Craig!”
Then I realized it was the independent. Which should be CFL, shouldn’t it?
raven @ 100
good for your dad.
when i was in HS in naperville, i went to a church were i was taught all kinds of crazy fundamentalist BS. only i didn’t know it was BS. fucked me up good until i figured out it was all evil lies…
QuakerGirl @ 96
It will take years for the real issues to surface. If the right wingers are able to lay off the inevitable on the liberals it will be even worse. Nothing like feeling you got suckered, you have to blame someone.
FYI, New post
selise at 104
yes
great, incredible undergraduate education
New thread upstairs.
Maddy @ 98
Now we need to pressure Reid into forcing the Republicans to keep explaining every. single. day. to the American people why they’re against giving troops adequate time home – for training and R&R.
Keep bringing it up, refuse to allow anything else to move until the Republicans allow cloture.
Eureka Springs @ 111
really :)
leinie @ 108
Why not just call him a Republican? The disguise isn’t fooling anybody.
bobschacht @ 99
No class war Bob, gender war. No woman, regardless of income or race, would be allowed to have control over her own body. The difference would be that rich women would have the ability to travel wherever they could to have a legal abortion (which is what happened before Roe vs Wade) or to someplace where doctors were doing it privately for very big bucks on a private basis.
juslin @ 60
IIRC, both won but lost– i.e, were approved by a majority, but short of the 60 votes needed to block a filibuster. I am in agreement with those who say make ‘em filibuster. Make’em bloviate and record it all for use next year during the campaign season. Put it up there, live and in color, what a bunch of moonbeams they are.
Bob in HI
Rabbi Lerners article about the I-lobby at Tikkun
http://www.tikkun.org/magazine…..sraellobby
The beginning of the interview with Rep. Moran at the end of Rabbi Lerners article
Representative Jim Moran on the power of A*P*C, May 2007.
TIKKUN: What do you think the reasoning is for the Democrats who voted against the amendment requiring that the president get authorization from Congress before attacking Iran?
MORAN: Well, A*P*C strongly opposed it. In fact, Rep. Murtha, Rep. Obey, and myself wanted it in the supplemental. We had it in and then the leadership had to take it out because A*P*C was having a conference in Washington, and insisted with the leadership and many of the members with whom they have close alliances. Yesterday, A*P*C had an amendment to recommit the whole Armed Services Bill in order to add language requiring America to develop missile defenses jointly with Israel, to share all its missile defense technology with Israel. That passed overwhelmingly. There were only thirty members—that’s less than 10 percent—who voted against sharing all our missile technology with Israel. It received about 400 votes in favor of it. I was one of the thirty. My feeling was that it wasn’t just the incendiary language that Israel is under immediate attack and we need to protect it from another Holocaust, it was also the idea that the solution to Israel’s security is a militaristic one. I would urge you to read the Congressional record for the debate on the recommital. It put our loyalty to Israel in terms of complete military support. My feeling is that both America and Israel have acted in counterproductive fashion and have undermined their security by focusing exclusively on military capability.
That was a key vote yesterday. It was phrased by many as an “A*P*C vote.” As a result, it prevailed approximately 400 to thirty.
CALL IN SUPPORT OF REP MORAN TOMORROW…202-225-4376
albert fall @ 106
the line is drawn at
backyard abortions
those in favor of no legal abortions
are in favor of
backyard abortions
Even if dems had managed the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened fillibuster, they would have needed 67 votes to override a veto..
Dems can’t really do shit that a third or so of goopers don’t agree with.
leinie @ 108
No, I believe Jowl’s more accurate label is LIK.
rwcole @ 120
I’d like to see them try anyway sometime. Just because, you know, it’s the right fucking thing to do.
This what these people are about
http://www.democraticundergrou…..215;356441
The shield they put in their brains to separate their hypocrisys must be stronger than Captain Kirks cloaking devices.
thnx bob in hi
i was out all pm and just now getting in gear
Kathleen @ 76
How I wish Durbin had taken a crack at majority leader. My local paper (deep in dark red central Illinois) rarely goes more than a few days without complaining about him, a sure sign that he’s on the side of the angels.
I know I’m deep into EPU land but here is a pdf from Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada comparing Canada vs US abortion rights.
snip
This leaves Canada as the only democratic, industrialized nation in the world with no laws restricting abortion. (Only two other countries have no laws: China and North Korea). Yet Canada has a relatively low rate of abortion compared to other industrialized countries and one of the lowest rates of abortion-related complications and maternal mortality in the world.
My bold
Kathleen @ 76
I hope he mention Schinsecki, Zinni, and a few other generals who were kicked to the curb for not agreeing with Bush. I’m sure they also had a chest full of medals. I hope he mentions that it isn’t any harsher to scrutinize Petraeus’ motives in what he testifies to and to question his loyalty to the truth than to criticize the President himself, but in this country, this is allowed. Or have we taken to censorship and/or jailing our dissidents?
Just read the post, haven’t gotten to the comments. Wanted to say, Great Post LHP. Can we spotlight the City functionaries who were responsible for this decision? How are the P&Z commissioners appointed, and by whom? Who do they answer to? Is anyone out in front of a camera talking about the legal fees this will cost the City and pointing the finger?
Of all the horror and grief brought upon the world from this admin, it’s fundies, and all the MIC and arms merchants and mercenaries, today I will grieve and howl at the moon for all the women of the world who suffer at the hands of the dirty, stinking rotten bastards and shewolves who would deny women’s rights and the control of their own bodies.
Aurora, IL should be marched on like Selma, Al.
And with vengence and fury.
I am SO pissed off at the right wing fundie biblical idjit’s telling people what to do. And in this case, denying poor women access to the medical care they need, and deserve, BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN!
May the prolifer’s rot in a hell of their own making as we march on their graves and trample them for all time.
There’s not much that pisses me off more than this one . . . thanks LHP for the post, and bless those in harm’s way in Aurora, Il.
May they persevere and prevail for our species to survive as a whole, and not a splinter of what our potential is.
Harumph.
Planned Parenthood planned to open a clinic in our town, in LA County. The building went up, staff was hired and suddenly we were descended upon by a whole horde of the lunatic fringe.
They filibustered the city council for months so no other work could be done. The council tried to meet in secret but our charter says no and the group’s ringleader, a local resident, found out and busted them. They picketed, they sang, they somehow got that horrible 18-wheeler whose sides were painted with 10 ft. tall pictures of aborted fetuses to park in front of the clinic, which was of course on the busiest corner in town.
The building is gone now, never occupied. In its place is a weedy empty lot. We really could have used a women’s health clinic here. Thanks a lot, folks.
My fervent wish for them is to be hoist by their own petards. I’ll leave it to God, their BFF, to pick the petards.
bobschacht @ 99
Bob,
Couldn’t tell from your comment which side is what in your class war question. Are you thinking the anti-choice people are poor minorities and the pro-choicers the white middle class elites? By and large many of the anti choicers protesting outside the clinic are white, middle class folks. I drive by there almost daily.
Susan in Iowa @ 129
Sadly, the local media, Aurora Beacon News, Daily Herald, and Chicago Tribune give far more attention to the anti-choicers. BTW, the city functionaries responsible for the decision were the Mayor and alderman (same as city councilors) who caved to pressure from the anti-choice groups who argued that PP was “deceptive” in their paperwork with the city. PP’s name was never mentioned as they listed a “parent” (my word) development organization called Gemini. The anti-choicers are saying the granting of the permit was based on deception so the city has appointed a lawyer to review the process to ascertain whether any rule or law was violated.
A surprising number of Americans are not aware that Planned Parenthood does a lot more than just offer abortions.
It would be helpful for Planned Parenthood to do a little PR and educate the public about all the services they offer.
Basic health care for poor people is STD’s and abortion services? That says a lot about the author of the story.
WTF?
Late to thread – but that’s just evil.
Just got home from the second week of teaching six new med students – we’ll be learning together for the next two years. (I will be – hope they will.)
They give me hope.
LHP, your wise post give me hope.
And the “city fathers” of Aurora who pulled the permit make me puke.
Hope they all end up with STD’s from the young men and women they pay for illict sex – and then I hope they all get outed.
Where there’s political repression, there’s closet sexual activity.
Gooper psychopathology is rich – if pus can be rich.
Hey – who knew that was in the second paragraph of lhp’s post?
Anyone with reading skills and comprehension.
As a physician and medical educator, I know that reproductive health services – a component of primary health care – is basic health care for women of all income groups.
As a political activist, I know that miscasting this basic clinical fact as any form of criticism of “poor people” is a risible rhetorical trick.
A trick which only serves authoritarians and other opponents of access to reproductive services.