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	<title>Comments on: MoveOn, Betrayal of Trust, and the GOP&#8217;s Moral Failure</title>
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		<title>By: rael</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/18/moveon-betrayal-of-trust-and-the-gops-moral-failure/#comment-979686</link>
		<dc:creator>rael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;betrayal as meme yes, but drop the part about how they “forgot.” they didn’t forget. they did it on purpose. it was conscious, knowing, thoughtful betrayal. you’re either a fool or a knave and giving them a “we forgot” out allows them the lesser of the two. they are knaves. roll tape.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>betrayal as meme yes, but drop the part about how they “forgot.” they didn’t forget. they did it on purpose. it was conscious, knowing, thoughtful betrayal. you’re either a fool or a knave and giving them a “we forgot” out allows them the lesser of the two. they are knaves. roll tape.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/18/moveon-betrayal-of-trust-and-the-gops-moral-failure/#comment-978462</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977379&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dmac @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;get tough at 14 says-”I am an Obama fan, but I am afraid that he is going to suffer simply because he talks above the fray.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s my problem with him………..he never gets in the fray…….always above it……..floating, like a metaphysicist at a physics convention………&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like it when a candidate talks in the abstract about their ideals, but then they have to show their work, they have to back it up with specifics which proves they are all in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-977379"><em>dmac @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>get tough at 14 says-”I am an Obama fan, but I am afraid that he is going to suffer simply because he talks above the fray.”</p>
<p>that’s my problem with him………..he never gets in the fray…….always above it……..floating, like a metaphysicist at a physics convention………</p>
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<p>I like it when a candidate talks in the abstract about their ideals, but then they have to show their work, they have to back it up with specifics which proves they are all in.</p>
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		<title>By: howard appel</title>
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		<dc:creator>howard appel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977359&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Swopa @ 39&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977328&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 12&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Swopa, have you found any info on how MoveOn has done financially since Betrayus?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t looked.  I’m afraid they’ll hit me up if I ask directly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I sent them $500 today and told them to keep up the good work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-977359"><em>Swopa @ 39</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-977328"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 12</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Swopa, have you found any info on how MoveOn has done financially since Betrayus?</p>
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<p>I haven’t looked.  I’m afraid they’ll hit me up if I ask directly.</p>
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<p>I sent them $500 today and told them to keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/18/moveon-betrayal-of-trust-and-the-gops-moral-failure/#comment-977693</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Swopa:  Sorry for my off topic above.  Like I said before, I had just seen a clip of Laura and it hit me how different she was from her husband.  Didn’t mean to make it a sex scandal. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a more on topic, did you see &lt;a href=&quot;http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/rudy_ran_as_a_liberal_once_1.php&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; today?&lt;br /&gt;
snip&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In his broadside against MoveOn.org, Rudy Giuliani calls himself the “worst nightmare” of MoveOn liberals. But he wasn’t always as aggressive with progressives. In fact, he ran, thrice, as a Liberal. A Republican-Liberal. Two parties, two ballot lines. Picture it, New York 1, 1993…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“They can send me a signal and vote for me on the liberal line.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That line, from Giuliani in 1993, can easily be twisted into a negative ad today. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PS:  There is a video of him saying it at the link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swopa:  Sorry for my off topic above.  Like I said before, I had just seen a clip of Laura and it hit me how different she was from her husband.  Didn’t mean to make it a sex scandal. </p>
<p>In a more on topic, did you see <a href="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/rudy_ran_as_a_liberal_once_1.php">this</a> today?<br />
snip</p>
<p>In his broadside against MoveOn.org, Rudy Giuliani calls himself the “worst nightmare” of MoveOn liberals. But he wasn’t always as aggressive with progressives. In fact, he ran, thrice, as a Liberal. A Republican-Liberal. Two parties, two ballot lines. Picture it, New York 1, 1993…</p>
<p>“They can send me a signal and vote for me on the liberal line.”</p>
<p>That line, from Giuliani in 1993, can easily be twisted into a negative ad today. </p>
<p>PS:  There is a video of him saying it at the link.</p>
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		<title>By: GordonM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GordonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977548&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twain @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Don’t understand why a southern accent is funny but a New York accent isn’t. People from Wisconsin have an accent and lord know Boston does, so why is the south funny?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone from Boston knows the difference between a Boston Brahmin accent and working class accent (think of the Family Guy episode with “chowda”). One of them is funny. Same in NY. If you’re from the Bronx, a NJ accent is funny. And vice versa.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, to a northerner, any southern accent is funny. But beyond that, think about, oh, why is it that Boss Hogg had the strongest accent in the show? Accents are easy to make fun of, and southern accents have been associated with all the worst parts of the south (and not just by northerners).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-977548"><em>Twain @ 210</em></a></p>
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Don’t understand why a southern accent is funny but a New York accent isn’t. People from Wisconsin have an accent and lord know Boston does, so why is the south funny?</p>
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<p>Someone from Boston knows the difference between a Boston Brahmin accent and working class accent (think of the Family Guy episode with “chowda”). One of them is funny. Same in NY. If you’re from the Bronx, a NJ accent is funny. And vice versa.</p>
<p>So, to a northerner, any southern accent is funny. But beyond that, think about, oh, why is it that Boss Hogg had the strongest accent in the show? Accents are easy to make fun of, and southern accents have been associated with all the worst parts of the south (and not just by northerners).</p>
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		<title>By: Kitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Swopa! Yeah! Not ready to make nice!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swopa! Yeah! Not ready to make nice!</p>
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		<title>By: paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nancy Pelosi announced there would be no subpoenas from the judiciary committee.  If she has the votes to get them she doesn’t have the energy or the sense of duty to do so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[shrugs] What the fuck can I say?  DINO.  To some degree it’s significantly true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s really sad.  I miss a functioning government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Pelosi announced there would be no subpoenas from the judiciary committee.  If she has the votes to get them she doesn’t have the energy or the sense of duty to do so.</p>
<p>[shrugs] What the fuck can I say?  DINO.  To some degree it’s significantly true.</p>
<p>It’s really sad.  I miss a functioning government.</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush Betrayed America.&lt;br /&gt;
I like that.&lt;br /&gt;
Bush Betrayed the troops&lt;br /&gt;
Bush Betrayed the Constitution&lt;br /&gt;
Bush Betrayed the Justice Department&lt;br /&gt;
Bush Betrayed the Congress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now to swing that to the Rethugs, because Bush is not running. Or maybe the Neocons&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush Betrayed America.<br />
I like that.<br />
Bush Betrayed the troops<br />
Bush Betrayed the Constitution<br />
Bush Betrayed the Justice Department<br />
Bush Betrayed the Congress.</p>
<p>Now to swing that to the Rethugs, because Bush is not running. Or maybe the Neocons</p>
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		<title>By: twȝk</title>
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		<dc:creator>twȝk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977548&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twain @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977480&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twȝk @ 156&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ok, good :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t understand why a southern accent is funny but a New York accent isn’t. People from Wisconsin have an accent and lord know Boston does, so why is the south funny?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I dunno, I had a southern accent but moved to Michigan for school. Since, I’ve always associated a southern accent with social conservatives even tho I know those with a southern accent represent greater diversity than what the social conservatives represent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-977548"><em>Twain @ 210</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-977480"><em>twȝk @ 156</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>ok, good :)</p>
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<p>Don’t understand why a southern accent is funny but a New York accent isn’t. People from Wisconsin have an accent and lord know Boston does, so why is the south funny?</p>
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<p>I dunno, I had a southern accent but moved to Michigan for school. Since, I’ve always associated a southern accent with social conservatives even tho I know those with a southern accent represent greater diversity than what the social conservatives represent.</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977548&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twain @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-977480&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twȝk @ 156&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ok, good :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t understand why a southern accent is funny but a New York accent isn’t. People from Wisconsin have an accent and lord know Boston does, so why is the south funny?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure what you mean by your question.  But, if you mean why is it subject of mockery or humor, I think part of it is that it’s much easier to give a rude imitation of a generic Southern accent than is true for other accents.  The Southern accent is probably seen as “all the same”, where ever.  (Though that’s actually not true in my experience.)  Pretty easy to give a generic imitation of Valley Girl speak, too! ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-977548"><em>Twain @ 210</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-977480"><em>twȝk @ 156</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>ok, good :)</p>
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<p>Don’t understand why a southern accent is funny but a New York accent isn’t. People from Wisconsin have an accent and lord know Boston does, so why is the south funny?</p>
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<p>I’m not sure what you mean by your question.  But, if you mean why is it subject of mockery or humor, I think part of it is that it’s much easier to give a rude imitation of a generic Southern accent than is true for other accents.  The Southern accent is probably seen as “all the same”, where ever.  (Though that’s actually not true in my experience.)  Pretty easy to give a generic imitation of Valley Girl speak, too! ;)</p>
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