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		<title>By: katherine Graham Cracker</title>
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		<dc:creator>katherine Graham Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;waiting for the fatuous Kathleen Hall Jamison to come out and say it’s Betrayous fault or Shrub’s fault for not defending themselves well as she did with Kerry&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the stupid partisan bint at Annenberg (and Pew)&lt;br /&gt;
had a lot to say during the 2004 campaign and Kerry but is remarkably silent now especially since we learned they are the architects of karl Rove’s math….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waiting for the fatuous Kathleen Hall Jamison to come out and say it’s Betrayous fault or Shrub’s fault for not defending themselves well as she did with Kerry</p>
<p>the stupid partisan bint at Annenberg (and Pew)<br />
had a lot to say during the 2004 campaign and Kerry but is remarkably silent now especially since we learned they are the architects of karl Rove’s math….</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978122&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;masaccio @ 231&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Show me a challenger with a chance: I got money.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somebody please show this man the way to give.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-978122"><em>masaccio @ 231</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Show me a challenger with a chance: I got money.</p>
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<p>Somebody please show this man the way to give.</p>
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		<title>By: punaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>punaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978062&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TRex @ 173&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;By the way, this is my 500th post at FDL.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;felicitations et remerciments, monsieur Trex. your writing has provided (for) many many evenings of hilarity, outrage, poignancy, and absurdity.&lt;br /&gt;
you’re the best!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>By the way, this is my 500th post at FDL.</p>
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<p>felicitations et remerciments, monsieur Trex. your writing has provided (for) many many evenings of hilarity, outrage, poignancy, and absurdity.<br />
you’re the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Trying for the elusive 500.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: unconventional conventionist</title>
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		<dc:creator>unconventional conventionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;God Love Voltaire.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: althespook</title>
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		<dc:creator>althespook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978372&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Suzanne @ 475&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;al that is a great story - thanks&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t beleive all the JW stories my boss tells me, i think the church faked some of them. but i believe this one is actually on the Texas Rangers web site or their historical writeups. It was quite the deal at the time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-978372"><em>Suzanne @ 475</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>al that is a great story &#8211; thanks</p>
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<p>I don’t beleive all the JW stories my boss tells me, i think the church faked some of them. but i believe this one is actually on the Texas Rangers web site or their historical writeups. It was quite the deal at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: GSD</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was a college suck-urity officer for 5 years. It is a very difficult job. Very little training and you get shoved into the position of being a cop, custodian, counselor, security guard, riot control, detective, sleuth, ambassador, head shrink and many more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was very honest and ethical for about 4 years and then I became corrupted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It happens very easily. Poor pay, long hours, little appreciation, much abuse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So when my buddy got the key to the kitchen and we treated ourselves to the shrimp and lobsters on long holiday weekends….we felt we just enjoying the perks of the job.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then I fell off the wagon, got involved with students, with campus politics….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At one point all of the department members had a mutiny and told the boss he had better quit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not a smart move. He said he’d leave then he went and sicced the VP on us. The Veep was as deadly as Cheney. Then came a week long inquisition from human resources. The assistant director grilled us with all kinds of questions and then at one point, we were questioned one at a time…one question was ‘Did you ever take food from the dining facilities’?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently my blue-collar talking point was used by everyone because the ass. director said: “The kitchen must have a lot of baloney, everyone said they would occasionally take a baloney sandwich”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would make a great novel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I was never, ever physically abusive towards anyone and didn’t abuse the students.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a college suck-urity officer for 5 years. It is a very difficult job. Very little training and you get shoved into the position of being a cop, custodian, counselor, security guard, riot control, detective, sleuth, ambassador, head shrink and many more.</p>
<p>I was very honest and ethical for about 4 years and then I became corrupted.</p>
<p>It happens very easily. Poor pay, long hours, little appreciation, much abuse.</p>
<p>So when my buddy got the key to the kitchen and we treated ourselves to the shrimp and lobsters on long holiday weekends….we felt we just enjoying the perks of the job.</p>
<p>But then I fell off the wagon, got involved with students, with campus politics….</p>
<p>At one point all of the department members had a mutiny and told the boss he had better quit.</p>
<p>Not a smart move. He said he’d leave then he went and sicced the VP on us. The Veep was as deadly as Cheney. Then came a week long inquisition from human resources. The assistant director grilled us with all kinds of questions and then at one point, we were questioned one at a time…one question was ‘Did you ever take food from the dining facilities’?</p>
<p>Apparently my blue-collar talking point was used by everyone because the ass. director said: “The kitchen must have a lot of baloney, everyone said they would occasionally take a baloney sandwich”.</p>
<p>It would make a great novel.</p>
<p>But I was never, ever physically abusive towards anyone and didn’t abuse the students.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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		<title>By: althespook</title>
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		<dc:creator>althespook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978371&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;unconventional conventionist @ 470&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978367&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;althespook @ 470&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;My boss is gonna kill me for this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I may have mentioned here, my boss is a recovering Jehovah’s Witness. His dad was one of the leaders of that church in the 1930’s and 1940’s, was nominated to take over after JF Rutherford (their second leader) died but was euchered out and eventually left the church and had a kid (my boss). brought the kid up as a JW half and half a “normal” person. ick.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyway, here’s the point of this little rant: back in the 1940’s, during WW2, the JW were famous as CO’s, not willing to fight for ANY government of our “world run by satan”, not even as medics, anything. of course that got a lot of people angry at them who were already tired of their “we’re right and you are all wrong” attitude to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In texas one evening in 1943, a mob decided to lynch a traveling JW minister who was staying at a farm near Waco texas (i think, been a while since I heard this story). Mob was local sheriff, his deputies, a bunch of local drunks and plenty of irate guys whod lost sons, or brothers or fathers in The War. They had shotguns, riles, pistols, tar, feathers, etc. They piled in about 20 cars and headed for the farm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The local newspaper editor called the Texas Rangers to find out what they were going to do, would they arrest the lynch mob leaders afterwards (he seemed to assume the lynching was a forgone conclusion.) The Ranger said “there won’t be any lynchings in my county tonight.” He got in his car, drove at breakneck speed to the driveway of the farm, turned his car sideways to block the road, stood in front of it with a flashlight and an UNDRAWN six cylinder revolver as the mob drove up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They saw him and before they could open their doors he said “Move on, citizens. the first person who steps out of their car will be shot dead.” he didn’t draw his weapon, but they mob knew he meant it. They circled him for about an hour making threats and shooting at trees and signs until a group of ranger cars and an armored car from a nearby army post showed up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The leader of the mob was given six months suspended sentence and fired, his deputies resigned. the JW left, unmolested.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When asked why he defended the JW, the Ranger said, “i didn’t defend those nazi bastards, i defended the rule of law.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;kinda makes the point, don’t it..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes it does. And somehow, the JW’s aren’t the worst thing on the planet now. THe LAWBREAKERS called the “Current Administration” are, aren’t they?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh yeah. the JW are weird but harmless unless you are one of their kids. And at one time they held beliefs like desegregation and separation of church and state much in advance of mainstream faiths. they actually arose out of the same stock as 7th day adventists and christian scientists, all inspired by the publication of the first greek to english interlinear in the late 1870’s IIRC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, wouldn’t be a JW for anything, but would die to protect their right to BE JW’s, (like voltaire)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-978371"><em>unconventional conventionist @ 470</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-978367"><em>althespook @ 470</em></a></p>
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<p>My boss is gonna kill me for this:</p>
<p>As I may have mentioned here, my boss is a recovering Jehovah’s Witness. His dad was one of the leaders of that church in the 1930’s and 1940’s, was nominated to take over after JF Rutherford (their second leader) died but was euchered out and eventually left the church and had a kid (my boss). brought the kid up as a JW half and half a “normal” person. ick.</p>
<p>anyway, here’s the point of this little rant: back in the 1940’s, during WW2, the JW were famous as CO’s, not willing to fight for ANY government of our “world run by satan”, not even as medics, anything. of course that got a lot of people angry at them who were already tired of their “we’re right and you are all wrong” attitude to begin with.</p>
<p>In texas one evening in 1943, a mob decided to lynch a traveling JW minister who was staying at a farm near Waco texas (i think, been a while since I heard this story). Mob was local sheriff, his deputies, a bunch of local drunks and plenty of irate guys whod lost sons, or brothers or fathers in The War. They had shotguns, riles, pistols, tar, feathers, etc. They piled in about 20 cars and headed for the farm.</p>
<p>The local newspaper editor called the Texas Rangers to find out what they were going to do, would they arrest the lynch mob leaders afterwards (he seemed to assume the lynching was a forgone conclusion.) The Ranger said “there won’t be any lynchings in my county tonight.” He got in his car, drove at breakneck speed to the driveway of the farm, turned his car sideways to block the road, stood in front of it with a flashlight and an UNDRAWN six cylinder revolver as the mob drove up.</p>
<p>They saw him and before they could open their doors he said “Move on, citizens. the first person who steps out of their car will be shot dead.” he didn’t draw his weapon, but they mob knew he meant it. They circled him for about an hour making threats and shooting at trees and signs until a group of ranger cars and an armored car from a nearby army post showed up.</p>
<p>The leader of the mob was given six months suspended sentence and fired, his deputies resigned. the JW left, unmolested.</p>
<p>When asked why he defended the JW, the Ranger said, “i didn’t defend those nazi bastards, i defended the rule of law.”</p>
<p>kinda makes the point, don’t it..</p>
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<p>Yes it does. And somehow, the JW’s aren’t the worst thing on the planet now. THe LAWBREAKERS called the “Current Administration” are, aren’t they?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>oh yeah. the JW are weird but harmless unless you are one of their kids. And at one time they held beliefs like desegregation and separation of church and state much in advance of mainstream faiths. they actually arose out of the same stock as 7th day adventists and christian scientists, all inspired by the publication of the first greek to english interlinear in the late 1870’s IIRC.</p>
<p>Anyway, wouldn’t be a JW for anything, but would die to protect their right to BE JW’s, (like voltaire)</p>
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		<title>By: LoudounLib</title>
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		<dc:creator>LoudounLib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TRex is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/18/late-late-nite-fdl-are-you-there-god-its-me-trex/&quot;&gt;upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRex is <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/18/late-late-nite-fdl-are-you-there-god-its-me-trex/">upstairs</a></p>
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		<title>By: TexBetsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexBetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978374&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TheOtherWA @ 473&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;kinda makes the point, don’t it..&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes it does, Al. Very well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;agreed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-978374"><em>TheOtherWA @ 473</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>kinda makes the point, don’t it..</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes it does, Al. Very well.</p>
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<p>agreed.</p>
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