Well, the results are in. The non-partisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press has released its polling data on American opinion of the Iraq War in the wake of the administration's multi-million-dollar PR push last week. And what did the Bushies get for their (our) money?
Why, absolutely fucking nothing.
Last week's congressional testimony by General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, followed by President Bush's address to the nation, has not changed bottom-line public attitudes toward the war in Iraq.
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The mostly stable opinions about the war and U.S. policies toward Iraq are consistent with this assessment. In the current survey, a 47% plurality says the United States will probably or definitely fail to achieve its goals in Iraq, which is largely unchanged from July (49%). Most important, opinions about whether to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq have not changed at all over the past two months: 54% believe U.S. forces should be brought home as soon as possible while 39% say U.S. troops should remain in Iraq until the situation is stable.
In other words, public opinion has flatlined on the war. The people who are stupid enough to believe whatever the president tells them will continue to do exactly that. The people who know better aren't going to be bought off by a bunch of bells and whistles from another Bush appointee, especially not this late in the execution of a policy that has categorically failed on all fronts.
To be fair, there were some very modest gains among Republicans, about 16% said that the Betray Us Report improved their opinion of the War. As I said last week regarding the Petraeus and Pony Show, it fooled the people who wanted to be fooled. And nobody else.
Included in the category of those easily gulled dead-enders who saw the Petraeus Report as a positive, of course, are the ever-credulous Beltway Bobblehead Gang, who apparently spend their lives like baby birds in a nest; heads back, beaks wide open, anxiously awaiting the next juicy morsel of propaganda that the Right doles out to them. Propaganda that they swallow whole, uncritically gorging, then turn around and regurgitate into the laps of an increasingly skeptical public.
Here is a review of what we learned last week from the right-wing noise machine and their enabling media puppets: Americans trust Gen. Petraeus and do not want his credibility questioned. The week was a big win for President Bush and his Iraq policy. The MoveOn newspaper ad, like 9/11, was Going to Change Everything -- it was a devastating event for Democrats, a transformative moment that would embolden Republicans and revitalize support for the war.
A new CBS poll, comparing the views of Americans Before Petraues (B.P.) and After Petraeus (A.P.), demonstrates that all of that was completely wrong:
Another poll? And what, pray tell, did it find?
The same thing as the Pew Poll:
(CBS) Most Americans continue to want troops to start coming home from Iraq, and most say the plan President Bush announced last week for troop reductions doesn't go far enough, according to a CBS News poll released Monday.
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Sixty-eight percent of Americans say that U.S. troop levels in Iraq should either be reduced or that all troops should be removed - similar numbers to those before Mr. Bush's speech.
Nearly half want Mr. Bush to remove even more troops by next summer than he proposed in his address. Forty-seven percent say the plan to bring troop numbers down to pre-surge levels next year should go even further.
The poll also found that despite optimistic assessments of the U.S. troop surge by Mr. Bush and Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Americans are unconvinced that the surge is working.
Only about one in three (31 percent) said the surge has made things in Iraq better, while more than half (51 percent) say it's had no impact. Eleven percent say it's made things worse.
Overall, Americans remain pessimistic about the war. Just 34 percent think things are going well for the U.S. in Iraq, while 63 percent say things are going badly - about the same as before the president's speech.
But what say the Talking Dogs of the Beltway Elite?
Most absurdly of all, Dean Broder -- just weeks after the President announced he would escalate the war in Iraq despite overwhelming public opposition -- wrote in the same column: "With the public eager for some bipartisan progress on all these fronts, Bush is signaling that he, at least, is ready to try." The press corps has the Dean they deserve. The reason they are endlessly wrong is because their whole narrative is an insular Beltway narrative that could not have anything less to do with the country as a whole.
In their world, the Republicans are always ascendant, Bush is always the Strong Leader, Democrats are always the sorry losers captive to their destructive Leftist extremists, and Americans are aching to support the War. They have been predicting endlessly that, any day now, all of this will be true again.
They actually thought that a newspaper ad was going to transform deeply entrenched views about the Republicans and the War because their friends Ed Gillispie and Tony Snow and Sean Hannity told them it would. The Rise of Petraeus the Good and the unmasking of the Evil MoveOn Left was going to change everything, back to its rightful place. It changed nothing, including the media itself, which will seize on some other event a few weeks from now to declare yet again the latest surging comeback for the President, the war and the right-wing faction which has followed him.
But hey, in Conservative Woof-Woof Land, somehow we're the "fascists" for criticizing Democrats (and their spouses) who continue mouth Right Wing talking points that demonize the majority of Americans and undermine the anti-war effort. Fucking get it right, people.
At this point I'm starting to believe that the Democrats deserve to get their noses bloodied and lips split by partisan brawlers from the other side of the aisle. As long as they keep getting led around by the Right-Wing Noise Machine, uncritically parroting the kind of things that Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh get paid big bucks to say (and doing it for free), well, who the hell needs 'em?
DC Democrats, you can abandon the Netroots if you want, but bear in mind that you'll be bidding farewell to the fund-raising power we have. Never mind that we're right and that ending the war in as swift and decisive a manner as possible is The Right Thing to Do. Let me speak in a language that you people understand:
Throw the Netroots under the bus, and you'll lose access to oceans and oceans of sweet, green money. You may as well kiss it goodbye. We don't have any problem re-routing those contributions to primary challengers. And given the attitude of the public right now, it won't take much persuading to convince them to throw you all out like yesterday's trash.
Am I making myself clear?
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It’s the new math!
TRex !!
Who?
TRex!!!
where?
So Americans are smarter than we give them credit for? Or they’re simply not paying attention?
Why?
Hey TRex. How’s your evening?
TRex, I’m disappointed ya aren’t flossing yer teeth with OralB, ya gotta keep the chompers clean…!!! *g*
Hey, TRex.
TRex- you forgot to add ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!
One of your best statements ever, as to how this should be done. Will find link.
neurophius @ 8
Now that is the question!
How?
We are TRex, hear us roar! Excellent post, big guy.
Huh???
17? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Here you go, CT…
Austin’s own Silver Thistle Pipes & Drums.
TexBetsy @ 18
im in yer comment laffing at u
TeddySanFran @ 20
i tried to delete it!
Evening, gang. Feeling a little discouraged tonight, but I’ll be okay. Sure wish Jane had gotten a chance to view and respond to that O’Reilly clip today, but she has apparently spent the whole day in airports.
Oh, well, we’ll hit him tomorrow.
Hard.
That Glenn guy is pretty smart. He’s gonna go far. :P
Like crystal, darling. *smooch*
What’s with all these questions? Someone accidentally put koolaid in the lake’s watercooler?
I am in a deep, deep funk tonight. Can someone please say something that will cheer me up?
TexBetsy @ 7
I wish I lived where this might be true. Tonight, on my way to work, I passed three separate cars with their noise pollution spewing about the left wing, MoveOn hate machine that is turning support for the troops into a political chess game. The left is playing politics with our children’s lives over in Iraq! If I hadn’t just gotten over the stomach flu, I would have hurled.
Instead, I came to work angry, again.
TexBetsy @ 18
Yes…now i think downstairs is thataway ;-)
Suzanne @ 24
Of course not! The repubs don’t question.
John Bolton fanning the war flames
Wants to attack Iran
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0918.html
What sorts of snacks do y’all expect if you keep making fun of me?
Suzanne @ 24
Just felt…right *g*
I swear to GOD I am going to take a vacation when this administration is over.
Nowhere in particular..just a month-long break from news.
If my head doesn’t implode before then.
Suzanne @ 15
Dang, no dive again…!!! 8-(
WTF??? Now Petreaus goes to London and, guess what? He doesn’t wan’t to attack Iran. Well, why the hell didn’t he just say so while he was over here…over there…over here…WTF:
http://abc.net.au/news/stories.....ion=justin
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burnspbesq @ 25
Yes. On a totally personal level, but sort of on topic here, my best friend’s son is back from Iraq tonight.
TRex @ 22
Oh, I have no doubt.
Good grief, people, I stop to answer an email and you people go and throw up twenty-odd comments already?!?! Take a pill!
TRex @ 22
It will be sweeter for the delay; O’s flying monkeys were surely expecting the lash today. They may be unprepared for what tomorrow brings.
Kathleen @ 29
Isn’t he irrelevant yet?
TexBetsy @ 30
Ummm…cream pie in the face??
LoudounLib @ 36
:) :) :)
LoudounLib @ 36
THAT’LL WORK.
There’s one you didn’t get, you bastards!
Twain, multiply those smiles about 600 more times and I’m sure that’s what we’d be seeing on her face right about now :-)
Good point, TRex. It would be cool to know our monetary strength.
burnspbesq @ 25
“The people are coming.” Rep. Maxine Waters, on the Randi Rhodes show.
We know what’s going on, the vast majority of Americans know what’s going on. It’s only the Beltway Kidz who are clueless. By the time they figure it out, it will be too late. For them. We will have already taken the country back.
LoudounLib @ 43
I’m always so happy to hear about even just one coming home.
LoudounLib @ 36
Best news of the day.
Back on topic, TRex, didn’t Skippy already say no more $$$ to the Dems. Am remembering something about that over at his place.
I’ve been very, very busy, so I have not had time to catch up on all my reading, but I did want to say thanks TRex for the Late, Late takedown last night of Hillary’s plan to take care of all of our health insurance companies. I just had a lovely run-in with mine this afternoon.
burnspbesq @ 25
Um, how about the fact that you’re one of my favorite readers and I look forward to seeing you here each night?
Good evening everyone! I have been running around like a loon all day, and just got finished reading all of today’s posts. May I say, top to bottom, nothing but awesome, well-written, well thought out posts! The front pagers kicked ass today.
LoudounLib @ 36
Yay! I hope he gets to stay home.
Cassie comes near the lake in a midnight blue bathing suit and dark blue warm-ups so she can sneak around unseen. She sends lots of comments with the names of medicines to distract Suzanne, then leaves the warm-ups in a messy pile and climbs up to the diving board.
Run, run, run, jump
Up Up backward summersault.
Half twist.
Perfect dive entry into the lake. No splash.
Perhaps if I fill the delicious new old pen that I received in today’s mail and write “Cheney is a putz” 100 times, that will improve my mood somewhat.
But I’m afraid that the only thing that will truly improve my mode is some better fucking relief pitching.
TexBetsy @ 30
Hiya TexB. I am always up for snacks, and I won’t make fun of you :0)
madmommy @ 55
You can stay.
SnarKassandra @ 53
o/
SnarKassandra @ 53
Well, somebody’s feeling sassy tonight.
burnspbesq @ 54
: whistling : not saying a word…!
My google skills are failing.
I can’t seem to find a link to the original FDL piece by TRex, that included the famous words ATTACK!!!! ATTACK!!! AAAATTACK!!
Someone, anyone? Pleeeze?
Hey gang,
I didn’t make any money today, but I called all 19 senators on Christy’s list this morning.
And, I’m not in a funk.
SnarKassandra @ 53
Distraction didn’t work, girl :) Nice dive
SnarKassandra @ 53
Well done!
LoudounLib @ 36
Oh so heart warming news - home again home again! And dear LoudownLib isn’t it great to ask and receive in one short beat - I love this place. ;~)
SO, if they got nothin’ for the PR blitz, can we get our money back? Can we return the fuckery for some kind of refund?
wangdangdoodle @ 19
Mahalo, WangDang, their Tartan is similar to my clan’s plaid design, add some green and darker blue…! Here’s a Nova Scotia assemblage…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;search=
Dead on, TRex — the normally conservative Rasmussen poll confirms the same findings.
TRex @ 50
What a sweet thing to say. Thank you so much. You rock, dude.
Go get yer clothes up off the floor and fold them neatly in yer drawers Miss!
Glenn as usual, esta es en fuego!
Gen. Petraeus and credibility?
You have to remember. Anyone with a generals rank higher than 1 star (2 max) is a politician not a soldier.
I wouldn’t trust this joker to lead a platoon (30-40 or so troops) much less have the command he currently holds.
Cassie, I like the distraction tactic too ;-)
I’m surprised that Broder found time to write his column. I thought he was too busy still perfecting ways of making ceiling wax or knitting knickers for the boys at the front.
Scarecrow @ 67
Somehow, I thought there’d be more of a feeling of fulfillment to finally being popular.
TheOtherWA @ 63
Ditto! Homework is done, eh? *g*
I’m so glad I didn’t get tasered at school today. I hope I don’t get tasered tomorrow.
ROFL, Tex
Larry Craig was back at work on Capitol Hill today.
“DC Democrats, you can abandon the Netroots if you want, but bear in mind that you’ll be bidding farewell to the fund-raising power we have.”
Do you also mean our VOTES!
LoudounLib @ 59
Has the contract for the demolition of RFK been awarded yet? I’d like to bid. I will tear that dump down with my bare hands for $17 and a 12-pack of Diet Coke.
SnarKassandra @ 53
Hey Cassie! Those clothes aren’t going to take themselves to the hamper, you know ;0)
CTuttle @ 75
Everything due tomorrow is done, but still two history things to finish for Thursday. AND I got a ton of new projects.
Well, don’t all say Hi at the same time.
Should I threaten to put on a bathing suit?
cleter @ 76
I hope nobody gets tasered tomorrow. However, it seems that giving tasers to police officers just doesn’t have that effect.
Quoting David Broder gives me norovirus.
Valley Girl @ 60
It was called ‘Press the Eject and Give Me the Tape’ and it’s here.
TexBetsy @ 56
many thanks
hi demi, sorry, doing 17 things at once here as usual — nice to see you!
Suzanne @ 24
That was a question, Suzanne.
Actually, that was two questions.
TeddySanFran @ 78
Did I read somewhere today that the ACLU has joined Craig’s legal team?
burns, RFK will still stand for a while — DC United plays there.
Hey back, LL.
You, I’ll tell about my two calls to Larry Craig’s office.
TexBetsy @ 69
Uh oh, Cassie, ya forgot something…!!!
demi @ 61
I am impressed. You may not have made any money but you surely get my gratitude.
burnspbesq @ 90
Yes. According to the constitution, a congress person cannot be arrested while travelling to or from a congressional session. Which is what he was doing. I imagine that’s the focus with the ACLU.
SnarKassandra @ 53
I ain’t gonna touch that..with a ten-foot barge pole…I could..but I won’t….*g*
burnspbesq @ 80
HA
demi @ 83
Please? ;-)
burnspbesq @ 90
Jeralyn
demi @ 83
Hey demi!
Clothes are away neatly. I gave Suzanne her diving board back.
If anybody didn’t get badgered into reading my blog post yesterday, here it is. No time to do a new one today.
Who is in charge of decisions in Iraq?
demi @ 83
Hi, Demi. Sorry — didn’t see you come in.
Demi, don’t blame me for my not saying hi- i believe that honor goes to dolphin girl and her distraction. can you tell me about craig too please?