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	<title>Comments on: Why Do Republicans Want to Punish the Troops for George Bush&#8217;s Failures?</title>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Holding our troops hostage should be a capital offense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush, Kagan and all the neo-con nuts are telling our troops that they won’t be coming home, won’t be cut any slack, won’t be shown any mercy, unless they “win” in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even though, Bush and his crackpot neo-con pals have never really told us what “winning” in Iraq should look like. Shades of Vietnam.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except we all know what “winning” Bush and his pals have in mind concerning Iraq…an oil law ceding control of Iraq’s vast oil resources over to crony oil company executives of the Bush administration. If BushCo gets this, and it’s enforceable, then the Iraq War that Bush preemptively started will have been “won.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Until then, BushCo will let our soldiers rot over in Iraq, keeping a large number of them there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve figured this was the case for a long time. The huge military bases that BushCo has built inside Iraq aren’t just meant to be forward staging bases but are also meant to intimidate Iraqi leaders into giving up control over their oil resources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BushCo is literally trying to blackmail their way to controlling Iraq’s oil. But then they are all just a bunch of criminals in the Bush administration, aren’t they?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holding our troops hostage should be a capital offense.</p>
<p>Bush, Kagan and all the neo-con nuts are telling our troops that they won’t be coming home, won’t be cut any slack, won’t be shown any mercy, unless they “win” in Iraq.</p>
<p>Even though, Bush and his crackpot neo-con pals have never really told us what “winning” in Iraq should look like. Shades of Vietnam.</p>
<p>Except we all know what “winning” Bush and his pals have in mind concerning Iraq…an oil law ceding control of Iraq’s vast oil resources over to crony oil company executives of the Bush administration. If BushCo gets this, and it’s enforceable, then the Iraq War that Bush preemptively started will have been “won.”</p>
<p>Until then, BushCo will let our soldiers rot over in Iraq, keeping a large number of them there.</p>
<p>I’ve figured this was the case for a long time. The huge military bases that BushCo has built inside Iraq aren’t just meant to be forward staging bases but are also meant to intimidate Iraqi leaders into giving up control over their oil resources.</p>
<p>BushCo is literally trying to blackmail their way to controlling Iraq’s oil. But then they are all just a bunch of criminals in the Bush administration, aren’t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Moonbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Moonbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;[T]o…watch Fred Kagan sit around opposing Senator Webb’s attempts to relieve some of the strain on our troops — &lt;b&gt;all because it would require too much paperwork to figure out and because they haven’t yet won Fred Kagan’s war and thus deserve no breaks&lt;/b&gt; — is almost too much to bear. But it is worth forcing oneself to observe it, as unpleasant as it might be, because within this ugly dynamic lies much of the explanation for what has happened to our country since the 9/11 attack, and the personality type that continues to drive it today.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What this really shows is the bloated sense of entitlement of the Conservative establishment: all blame where they can’t scapegoat the Democrats must be passed as far down the ladder as far as possible. How many buck privates were involved in the decision to disregard Gen. Shinseki’s recommendations and go with chickenhawk Adelman’s Cakewalk Scenario? It’s like a baseball team owner fielding only three players so he won’t have to charge as much for the luxury boxes; and then blaming the players for not being able to win shorthanded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[T]o…watch Fred Kagan sit around opposing Senator Webb’s attempts to relieve some of the strain on our troops — <b>all because it would require too much paperwork to figure out and because they haven’t yet won Fred Kagan’s war and thus deserve no breaks</b> — is almost too much to bear. But it is worth forcing oneself to observe it, as unpleasant as it might be, because within this ugly dynamic lies much of the explanation for what has happened to our country since the 9/11 attack, and the personality type that continues to drive it today.</p>
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<p>What this really shows is the bloated sense of entitlement of the Conservative establishment: all blame where they can’t scapegoat the Democrats must be passed as far down the ladder as far as possible. How many buck privates were involved in the decision to disregard Gen. Shinseki’s recommendations and go with chickenhawk Adelman’s Cakewalk Scenario? It’s like a baseball team owner fielding only three players so he won’t have to charge as much for the luxury boxes; and then blaming the players for not being able to win shorthanded.</p>
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		<title>By: TC-14</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC-14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, kiddies…Who can guess if Lil’ Freddie the Warmonger has ever served our country in uniform?  Any guesses at all?  Ya gotta think really, really hard, because you just know it’s a tough one to answer!  Hmmmm…little Freddie putting his blood &amp; skin on the line for America…might that have happened???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HA!!!  Don’t be foolish.  LITTLE FREDDIE’S A CERTIFIED CHICKENHAWK!  Now that surprised the britches off your behinds, didn’t it?  NOT.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, kiddies…Who can guess if Lil’ Freddie the Warmonger has ever served our country in uniform?  Any guesses at all?  Ya gotta think really, really hard, because you just know it’s a tough one to answer!  Hmmmm…little Freddie putting his blood &amp; skin on the line for America…might that have happened???</p>
<p>HA!!!  Don’t be foolish.  LITTLE FREDDIE’S A CERTIFIED CHICKENHAWK!  Now that surprised the britches off your behinds, didn’t it?  NOT.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Kunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974163&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 124&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;my impression was they could get 60 votes.&lt;br /&gt;
but not the 67 needed to overturn a veto,&lt;br /&gt;
but let’s make him VETO the Webb Amendment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely! Let them fillibuster a few weeks. See who says what. If the&lt;br /&gt;
AH vetoes, let him. See who upholds it. Surely the Dems can see this is the way to go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-974163"><em>Elliott @ 124</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>my impression was they could get 60 votes.<br />
but not the 67 needed to overturn a veto,<br />
but let’s make him VETO the Webb Amendment.</p>
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<p>Absolutely! Let them fillibuster a few weeks. See who says what. If the<br />
AH vetoes, let him. See who upholds it. Surely the Dems can see this is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: browny</title>
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		<dc:creator>browny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GOP always blames the troops.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The GOP blames soldiers like John Kerry who got wounded 3 times and came home (rather than dying in the jungle like Rambo) for losing the Vietnam War.  Max Cleland was a sissy before he was a traitor because he dived on the grenade instead of doing the near impossible Rambo trick to toss the grenade back at the attackers.  Republicans will blame our troops for losing in Iraq instead of placing the blame squarely where it belongs:&lt;br /&gt;
ON THE LYING POLITICIANS!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOP always blames the troops.</p>
<p>The GOP blames soldiers like John Kerry who got wounded 3 times and came home (rather than dying in the jungle like Rambo) for losing the Vietnam War.  Max Cleland was a sissy before he was a traitor because he dived on the grenade instead of doing the near impossible Rambo trick to toss the grenade back at the attackers.  Republicans will blame our troops for losing in Iraq instead of placing the blame squarely where it belongs:<br />
ON THE LYING POLITICIANS!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Last week’s message was no benchmarks for Iraqis. This week’s message is big benchmarks for our children - &lt;b&gt;“Win the un-winnable war and you can come home.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week’s message was no benchmarks for Iraqis. This week’s message is big benchmarks for our children &#8211; <b>“Win the un-winnable war and you can come home.”</b></p>
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		<title>By: dov12348</title>
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		<dc:creator>dov12348</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Leo Strauss (father of neoconservatism) hated modernity and longed to go back to ancient times when countries waged war as an end in itself for honor, prestige and to give the nation a sense of purpose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Strauss and his followers were not interested in setting up governments. They were for perpetual war. The regime change thing is just a cover — a “noble lie” for the masses, as Strauss would call it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s Leo Strauss’ philosophy that he handed down to the neocons. War as an end in itself — for honor, prestige and to give the US a sense of purpose. But you have to lie to the people to cover that up — they can’t know it because they wouldn’t tolerate it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo Strauss (father of neoconservatism) hated modernity and longed to go back to ancient times when countries waged war as an end in itself for honor, prestige and to give the nation a sense of purpose.</p>
<p>Strauss and his followers were not interested in setting up governments. They were for perpetual war. The regime change thing is just a cover — a “noble lie” for the masses, as Strauss would call it.</p>
<p>It’s Leo Strauss’ philosophy that he handed down to the neocons. War as an end in itself — for honor, prestige and to give the US a sense of purpose. But you have to lie to the people to cover that up — they can’t know it because they wouldn’t tolerate it.</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just typed Caryle Group and Blackwater and this is what I &lt;a href=&quot;http://crazyrichguy.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/black-water-does-exactly-as-it-pleases/&quot;&gt;FOUND.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry if someone else beat me to it…I was researchin’  :))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just typed Caryle Group and Blackwater and this is what I <a href="http://crazyrichguy.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/black-water-does-exactly-as-it-pleases/">FOUND.</a><br />
Sorry if someone else beat me to it…I was researchin’  :))</p>
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		<title>By: katherine Graham Cracker</title>
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		<dc:creator>katherine Graham Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;perhaps because they are the party that mocks service ..&lt;br /&gt;
and by the way Kerry did respond to the attacks but it made no difference they just kept going&lt;br /&gt;
Look at Bob Dole and he said crap after this as well&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“And last week, former Sen. Bob Dole, the party’s 1996 presidential nominee, brought more attention to the allegations when he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “With three Purple Hearts, he never bled that I know of. And they’re all superficial wounds.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dole apologized for the remark the next day after a personal call from Kerry, saying that before taping the interview, “maybe I should have stayed longer for brunch somewhere.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Donna Cain, an Oregon delegate, wore a purple heart bandage on her wrist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Probably a lot of people are handing them out because they are very symbolic,” she said. Kerry, she said, “has made the war that he served in far more important than his recent records of the last 18 to 20 years.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kerry’s campaign has denounced the allegations as a smear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Other veterans and military records from the time have contradicted the swift boat group’s allegations. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kerry’s campaign quickly responded to the purple heart bandages, saying the Republicans are “mocking our troops.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The smear continues on the floor of Madison Square Garden,” a Kerry campaign statement trumpeted.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL.....le.hearts/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;trumpets wtf does that mean CNN crap then crappier now&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps because they are the party that mocks service ..<br />
and by the way Kerry did respond to the attacks but it made no difference they just kept going<br />
Look at Bob Dole and he said crap after this as well</p>
<p>“And last week, former Sen. Bob Dole, the party’s 1996 presidential nominee, brought more attention to the allegations when he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “With three Purple Hearts, he never bled that I know of. And they’re all superficial wounds.”</p>
<p>Dole apologized for the remark the next day after a personal call from Kerry, saying that before taping the interview, “maybe I should have stayed longer for brunch somewhere.”</p>
<p>Donna Cain, an Oregon delegate, wore a purple heart bandage on her wrist.</p>
<p>“Probably a lot of people are handing them out because they are very symbolic,” she said. Kerry, she said, “has made the war that he served in far more important than his recent records of the last 18 to 20 years.”</p>
<p>Kerry’s campaign has denounced the allegations as a smear.</p>
<p>Other veterans and military records from the time have contradicted the swift boat group’s allegations. </p>
<p>Kerry’s campaign quickly responded to the purple heart bandages, saying the Republicans are “mocking our troops.”</p>
<p>“The smear continues on the floor of Madison Square Garden,” a Kerry campaign statement trumpeted.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/">http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL&#8230;..le.hearts/</a></p>
<p>trumpets wtf does that mean CNN crap then crappier now</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lindy at 226—–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/233516.html&quot;&gt;http://www.star-telegram.com/s.....33516.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s the link for noriega and perry money…….i wrote him a letter….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lindy at 226—–</p>
<p><a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/233516.html">http://www.star-telegram.com/s&#8230;..33516.html</a></p>
<p>here’s the link for noriega and perry money…….i wrote him a letter….</p>
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