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		<title>By: James Joyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/17/on-constitution-day-stand-up-for-habeas/#comment-976015</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974746&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 17&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dodd’s effort has been great lately.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I LIKE CHRIS DODD!!!!!!!   Unlike so many he understands what is at stake here.  Being half german I have no tolerance or patience for self seving piece of dog poop coverned with flies anymore!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-974746"><em>raven @ 17</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Dodd’s effort has been great lately.</p>
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<p>I LIKE CHRIS DODD!!!!!!!   Unlike so many he understands what is at stake here.  Being half german I have no tolerance or patience for self seving piece of dog poop coverned with flies anymore!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-975026&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;demi @ 236&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974982&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;demi @ 226&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I said,&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t come up there and make me find ya!&lt;br /&gt;
Talk about yer teasing!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thankin’ ya mods.&lt;br /&gt;
My Spelling.&lt;br /&gt;
And, did someone put something in the water tonight?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Big dose of clarity and rightousness?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-975026"><em>demi @ 236</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-974982"><em>demi @ 226</em></a></p>
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I said,<br />
Don’t come up there and make me find ya!<br />
Talk about yer teasing!</p>
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<p>Thankin’ ya mods.<br />
My Spelling.<br />
And, did someone put something in the water tonight?</p>
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<p>Big dose of clarity and rightousness?</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/17/on-constitution-day-stand-up-for-habeas/#comment-975359</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-975010&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GordonM @ 234&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; . . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jonathan, I’ll try again. The currents that create big political change (whether ‘revolutions’ or ‘coups’) are mostly hidden. When they become visible, it’s pretty much over. The Bushco wave is right now at it’s noisiest (and it’s still dangerous), but in historical terms, it’s over. If he wanted to trash the Constitution and declare a dictatorship he should have done it by 2004. He still has the reins of power, but he has nothing to sustain that power except for a handul of Regent grads in the DoJ and some nutcase x-tianists in the AF. Yes, he can still do damage, but the strong current that gave him power is done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We still need to fight, but that’s to insure the 30% or so of the Am public which has woken up doesn’t go back to sleep.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The economy is both the bad news and the good news. The bad news is that it is fucked - there is a big recession coming, and it could be a depression, and the US will lose it’s leadership position. But that is also good news, because the one thing that wakes Americans up is the economy. If things are OK, you can sell tax cuts and wars that don’t make sense, but when things are bad, you can’t sell anything that doesn’t make sense. (And one thing we’ve been sold is an oil-guzzling lifestyle which very clearly makes no sense.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gordin, I always for the most part love your comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, hoss. They are going to try and do Iran. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That alone will start WW3. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What part of complete planetary desctruction don’t fall under this that we can say, they are ‘weakened’ and their time has passed? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On this one, hoss, yer killin me. Make it better, if you can . . . I don’t see it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-975010"><em>GordonM @ 234</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> . . . </p>
<p>Jonathan, I’ll try again. The currents that create big political change (whether ‘revolutions’ or ‘coups’) are mostly hidden. When they become visible, it’s pretty much over. The Bushco wave is right now at it’s noisiest (and it’s still dangerous), but in historical terms, it’s over. If he wanted to trash the Constitution and declare a dictatorship he should have done it by 2004. He still has the reins of power, but he has nothing to sustain that power except for a handul of Regent grads in the DoJ and some nutcase x-tianists in the AF. Yes, he can still do damage, but the strong current that gave him power is done.</p>
<p>We still need to fight, but that’s to insure the 30% or so of the Am public which has woken up doesn’t go back to sleep.</p>
<p>The economy is both the bad news and the good news. The bad news is that it is fucked &#8211; there is a big recession coming, and it could be a depression, and the US will lose it’s leadership position. But that is also good news, because the one thing that wakes Americans up is the economy. If things are OK, you can sell tax cuts and wars that don’t make sense, but when things are bad, you can’t sell anything that doesn’t make sense. (And one thing we’ve been sold is an oil-guzzling lifestyle which very clearly makes no sense.)</p>
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<p>Gordin, I always for the most part love your comments.</p>
<p>But, hoss. They are going to try and do Iran. </p>
<p>That alone will start WW3. </p>
<p>What part of complete planetary desctruction don’t fall under this that we can say, they are ‘weakened’ and their time has passed? </p>
<p>On this one, hoss, yer killin me. Make it better, if you can . . . I don’t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974985&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Maddy @ 228&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Box of Rain &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UQmUvOqQU&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UQmUvOqQU&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Phil Lesh tune about the passing of his father.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A classic song. I miss the Dead circe ‘67-72.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-974985"><em>Maddy @ 228</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Box of Rain <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UQmUvOqQU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UQmUvOqQU</a></p>
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<p>Phil Lesh tune about the passing of his father.</p>
<p>A classic song. I miss the Dead circe ‘67-72.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/17/on-constitution-day-stand-up-for-habeas/#comment-975243</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974734&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 9&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you haven’t seen the latest. Senator Leahy says no documents, no Mukasey.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Time to put the put the breaks on the runaway train.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/washington/17cnd-attorney.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin&quot;&gt;We want our country back.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fuck Schumer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-974734"><em>GSD @ 9</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>If you haven’t seen the latest. Senator Leahy says no documents, no Mukasey.</p>
<p>Time to put the put the breaks on the runaway train.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/washington/17cnd-attorney.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin">We want our country back.</a></p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<p>Fuck Schumer.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/17/on-constitution-day-stand-up-for-habeas/#comment-975094</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-975079&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;KathieinMN @ 241&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974806&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mad Dogs @ 72&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To the Left my dear, to the Left!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;:-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ah, but smiles for left-handed people and Aussies are the other way around! (-:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frowns are: )-:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kathie (-: (left-handed)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But they are standing upside down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-975079"><em>KathieinMN @ 241</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-974806"><em>Mad Dogs @ 72</em></a></p>
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<p>To the Left my dear, to the Left!</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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<p>Ah, but smiles for left-handed people and Aussies are the other way around! (-:</p>
<p>Frowns are: )-:</p>
<p>Kathie (-: (left-handed)</p>
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<p>But they are standing upside down.</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bonkers @ 238 - Thanks, I was just going to check on that, because I thought I remembered his name as a member of the Blue Dogs (one of only two African-American members, I believe).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On this topic, this guy is no stereotypical Blue Dog, however - I’d guarantee that going forward, after seeing that speech, and without checking his previous votes.  More proof that these Blue Dogs cannot and should not be considered as a monolith on issues, by any means.  [This anti-occupation position actually makes Scott an “honest” Blue Dog, to boot - because allegedly their organizing principle is fiscal responsibility and careful stewardship of the nation’s finances, which no one in favor of occupying Iraq is practicing.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rep. Scott was pleading with the Congress not to “act too late” to end our involvement in Iraq, and thereby unnecessarily end any more lives.  I’m sure he’ll be backing up those words with meaningful action, in this case, based on the company he was keeping tonight, and the passionate (but slow-paced and somber) intensity he conveyed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bonkers @ 238 &#8211; Thanks, I was just going to check on that, because I thought I remembered his name as a member of the Blue Dogs (one of only two African-American members, I believe).</p>
<p>On this topic, this guy is no stereotypical Blue Dog, however &#8211; I’d guarantee that going forward, after seeing that speech, and without checking his previous votes.  More proof that these Blue Dogs cannot and should not be considered as a monolith on issues, by any means.  [This anti-occupation position actually makes Scott an “honest” Blue Dog, to boot - because allegedly their organizing principle is fiscal responsibility and careful stewardship of the nation’s finances, which no one in favor of occupying Iraq is practicing.]</p>
<p>Rep. Scott was pleading with the Congress not to “act too late” to end our involvement in Iraq, and thereby unnecessarily end any more lives.  I’m sure he’ll be backing up those words with meaningful action, in this case, based on the company he was keeping tonight, and the passionate (but slow-paced and somber) intensity he conveyed.</p>
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		<title>By: KathieinMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathieinMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974806&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mad Dogs @ 72&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-974777&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Maddy @ 46&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; :)(Yale-snark)(:– which way is a smile?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To the Left my dear, to the Left!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;:-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ah, but smiles for left-handed people and Aussies are the other way around! (-:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frowns are: )-:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kathie (-: (left-handed)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-974806"><em>Mad Dogs @ 72</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-974777"><em>Maddy @ 46</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> :)(Yale-snark)(:– which way is a smile?</p>
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<p>To the Left my dear, to the Left!</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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<p>Ah, but smiles for left-handed people and Aussies are the other way around! (-:</p>
<p>Frowns are: )-:</p>
<p>Kathie (-: (left-handed)</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-975007&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ignatius J. Reilly @ 233&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What’s up? Why is everyone so pissed off on this site? War in Iraq is won - the surge worked. Economy is fine (interest rate cut tomorrow). Crime is down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s up with you people? Don’t you have better thing to do in life then bitch and moan? Seriously, go out and get some air. Maybe bathe once in a while too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Has a “fly” landed on or entered your head, compromising your cognitive reasoning abilities and critical thinking skills like McCain???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-975007"><em>Ignatius J. Reilly @ 233</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What’s up? Why is everyone so pissed off on this site? War in Iraq is won &#8211; the surge worked. Economy is fine (interest rate cut tomorrow). Crime is down.</p>
<p>What’s up with you people? Don’t you have better thing to do in life then bitch and moan? Seriously, go out and get some air. Maybe bathe once in a while too.</p>
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<p>Has a “fly” landed on or entered your head, compromising your cognitive reasoning abilities and critical thinking skills like McCain???</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We should all be calling our Reps demanding that they pass legislation (Senator Webbs SB  ) that would require the Bush administration to come  back through congress on the situation with Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where is that legislation&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/wb/xp-107427&quot;&gt;http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/wb/xp-107427&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) and Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) are the only 2008 Democrats on record as backing Webb’s effort. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) took the Bush administration to task on Iran in a Feb. 14 floor speech, supporting the spirit of Webb’s effort, if not his specific language.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/18/601/&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/ar.....04/18/601/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
“It would be a mistake of historical proportion if the administration thought that the 2002 resolution authorizing force against Iraq was a blank check for the use of force against Iran without further congressional authorization,” Clinton said.&lt;br /&gt;
When asked whether Clinton would vote for Webb’s language, a spokesman for the New Yorker took a wait-and-see approach, saying it depends on the format in which it reaches the floor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where is that legislation?  Damn the Dems are chickenshits.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all be calling our Reps demanding that they pass legislation (Senator Webbs SB  ) that would require the Bush administration to come  back through congress on the situation with Iran.</p>
<p>where is that legislation</p>
<p><a href="http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/wb/xp-107427">http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/wb/xp-107427</a></p>
<p> Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) and Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) are the only 2008 Democrats on record as backing Webb’s effort. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) took the Bush administration to task on Iran in a Feb. 14 floor speech, supporting the spirit of Webb’s effort, if not his specific language.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/18/601/">http://www.commondreams.org/ar&#8230;..04/18/601/</a><br />
“It would be a mistake of historical proportion if the administration thought that the 2002 resolution authorizing force against Iraq was a blank check for the use of force against Iran without further congressional authorization,” Clinton said.<br />
When asked whether Clinton would vote for Webb’s language, a spokesman for the New Yorker took a wait-and-see approach, saying it depends on the format in which it reaches the floor.</p>
<p>Where is that legislation?  Damn the Dems are chickenshits.</p>
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