Bush was using a familiar right-wing tactic: identifying himself with a military uniform and the stature of the military in general, when he had no military stature himself. Rudy Giuliani used the same tactic in his ad in Friday’s New York Times: he put on military drag by associating himself with Petraeus’ rank and role, hoping some of the stature of the military would rub off on him. The implicit message is an attack on MoveOn: in pointing out Petraeus’ deception, MoveOn, so Giuliani implies, was being disrespectful of the military itself. This is a typical right-wing attack on progressives, and progressives shouldn’t stand for it.
In a country that takes its freedoms seriously, freedom of speech must be maintained. Betrayal through deception is much worse than being impolite. Where tens of thousands of deaths and maimings are concerned, it is immoral not to point out betrayals when they are real. It is patriotic to root out betrayal on grand scale wherever it occurs.
The American people have been betrayed by the architects and apologists for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. By avoiding the politeness trap in a patriotic, direct, and factual way, MoveOn correctly framed the betrayal of trust for what it is. And right now, the apologists for the occupation seem to be forgetting a lesson we thought Frank Luntz had schooled them on. They are quite busy invoking the frame of betrayal of trust, a frame that clearly best fits them. That frame is essential to bringing an end to the tragedy in Iraq.
It’s a great ad. And it’s time for the era of “distraction by bright shiny objects” to end.



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Jane!
Jane!
Jane!
Get out of Iraq. Now.
BADA BING! x2
Great minds think alike…
Moveon.!
Glad Someone’s doing their job!
(besides the guys and gals who front page here.)
I’m still under the impression that it’s illegal for G. to use P. in his ad, because current military officers can’t be involved in politics, as this ad winds up doing. Yes? No?
Biodun, you’re just too fast for me! Congrats.
Glad they didn’t run from the use of “betrayal”. I’m sure Faux News will jump in – again – screaming foul.
We/Move-On should not back down.
The era of “bright shiny objects” will not, sadly, becoming to an end soon IMHO. I remember when every J-school student wanted to be the next “Woodstein”, now they all want to be the next Katie Couric or Brian Williams … it’s better to make a pile of cash reading the news than actually reporting/analyzing it; that involves actual work and no make-up professionals, assistants, producers and general sycophants, not to mention the pay is lousy.
The Bunnypants Era of attack politics will not end, but only escalate. Someone should take Lakoff’s essay and give laminated copies to every Democratic congresscritter to keep in their pockets. Freedom of speech isn’t free, but the Democrats are sadly selling it cheaply to the lowest bidder/life form.
Ann in AZ @ 9:
Thanks. As I told Richmond some time back: I have a system…*g*
I found out a long time ago that the wealthy think it’s perfectly alright to screw someone over, as long as they’re polite about it.
The louder the flying monkeys screech, the more people will see the MoveOn ad. Win-win for the good guys.
peanutbutter @ 8
No.
The military regs bind the military personnel, not the candidates.
BTW, gang:
This realrudy.org center link has a treasure trove of videos of “America’s Mayor.”
(H/T to Christy in one of her posts a little while ago.)
Now that’s good, no high school shit in there.
The home page of realrudy.org center.
Tom in AZ @ 14
Good point, Tom.
Jane, in case you missed it downstairs, I found a very cool charity ideas, How To Make A Difference link, which I will repost here.
Just to lift up to you and other Green Minded Pups.
as a moveon member i am so proud of these ads and will continue to help out as i can… these are ads i like – cut to the chase – none of that wimpy bullshit masquerading as political ads…and we thank faux news for helping spread the ad even further in their haste to attack it .. thats how moveon knows the ads are effective
OT..
Bush Announces New Acting AG Pick
(snip)
Among the strikes against Keisler for Democrats was the fact that he’s a co-founder of the conservative Federalist Society. He also “oversaw the Bush administration’s lengthy legal fight over the rights of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.”
(snip)
TPM
I also like the tag line MoveOn adds, “with 3.2 million member, MoveOn is responsible … etc.” Nothing like rubbing that into the wingnuts faces; I’m betting if the “FreedomWatch” or whatever that Ari Fleischer led group is calling themselves made a similar tag line it would be “with 12 chickenhawks eating cheetos, FreedomWatch is responsible …”
3.2 million MoveOn members scares the shit out of the wingnuts… it shows that MoveOn is not a ‘fringe’ group that they have made it out to be.
peanutbutter @ 8
Move On can do it because they are not running for president, I believe.
1,601 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ONA DN ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
EEEEdogies, yeah, THAT’s what I’m talkin’ about!! Thanx Jane.
Ya know you could use the intro to that ad and plug in Mrs. Clinton for Giuliani and her votes (plural) for Bushes war in place of the Iraq Study Group and you would have an equally effective and truthful ad.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DO THE WORK!!!
ccmask @ 23
Sorry for the ambiguity. I was referring to the ad that Guiliani made.
Love both the MoveOn ads myself.
Nicely done. Memo to spineless Dems: Before you criticize this ad, please preface all of your TV criticism with, “Just so everyone knows what we’re talking about, could you play the add for your viewers?”
yes a good ad. and using the word ‘betrayal’ is also very clever ‘reinforcement of previous message’ language usage.
For all of the hoopla over the initial “Betray Us” ad, has anyone seen any mention in the MSM that Patraeus got that nickname from his own troops?
Frank Probst @ 26
*chuckle*
There’s a wee bit of neurolinguistic suggestion going on at the end, methinks. And I like it.
OT..
ACLU Files Amicus Brief in Support of Larry Craig
By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
(snip)
After noting that Sen. Craig has not always been a friend to civil liberties, the ACLU says that doesn’t matter and explains its legal reasoning:
(snip)
Link
The ACLU is terrific!
Peterr @ 15
The Pentagon has gone to great pains to announce that Patraeus has not given his permission for his likeness to be used in any ads. FWIW
So, just to be clear, campaigners are allowed to use military generals in their ads?
What about the vet/soldier that went to a protest and got caught and I think he went down a pay grade for being seen in uniform pants?
Biodun @ 12
I’m assuming you will not divulge the system?
The continued use of ‘betrayal’ is perfect: not only does it keep calling back to the Betray Us ad — whcih obviously scares the shit out of the righties — it sums up the core idea of the illegitimacy of the war and by extension, the entire administration.
Our side is finally learning to pole-vault the phony outrage and slam the real message home, come what may. Thanks, MoveOn.
Thank you, Jane.
So much can be said about the ad which shows where our political parties are today.
Madness, madness, madness when Cornyn blusters about the ad in the Senate hearings but continues to back the rape and pillage of Iraq and of our country.
One of the Senate Democrats should have asked the General to go on the record as to whether Move On was entitled to air the ad? His answer would have said a lot about him.
And the ad had an “or” and a “?”: General Patraeus OR General Betray Us? as in, “You decide.”
It’s rare that anyone gets to effectively push back against the evil regime, but by golly Move On did it and I will open my checkbook to them as often as I can.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 24
yes. indeed. and soon to be ‘Iran Study Group’ unless of course people like Obama and Hillary throw their entire being into stopping that particular new war.
which *cough* I’m sure they’ll *cough* be doing shortly *cough*.
Steve-AR @ 21
This is a smart move on Bush’s part. Nominate a more or less confirmable candidate but, in the meantime, place someone very objectionable in the “acting” position. This could force the Dems to confirm Mukasey quickly and not have any room to try to force the administration to answer to them about the US Attorney firings.
Great ad. It makes a huge difference to add the “of trust” qualifier, and it lets them emphasize this connotation rather than the first time when they preceded “betray” with a military rank. Damage control all while enhancing the message, driving home the betrayal meme, and countering the right wing consternation.
Steve-AR @ 31
Bad linky.
Although, this will only convince my rethug friend and others like him that all the ACLU does is run around defending ‘child molesters’ (yes, yes, I know, I know, I’ve tried)…
a military uniform is just the costume of the day for Shrub and his ilk
Another good example of Pivot and Attack.
MoveOn to Rudy: “You want to talk about betrayal? OK, let’s talk . . .”
I wonder what the managers in the other GOP campaigns are thinking about this ad. It’s always good to see your opponent take a hit, but you gotta wonder when your turn will come.
Great ad — I wonder if the other GOP hopefuls will run to Rudi’s defense? Or will they let these charges stand?
“AWOL” is particularly apt, tying Rudi to Bush in an insidious way.
The ad is wonderful! I contributed yesterday to MoveOn in support of getting this ad on air ASAP.
You can do the same right (in a left way) HERE.
Ann in AZ @ 34
Get ready to go upstairs when:
(1) Comments approach 200, but not always. (Sometimes there’s a new post even with fewer than 100 comments.)
(2) Definitely when Refresh Comments and/or Submit Comment hangs (that is, when that wheel keeps turning and turning and turning…).
(3) You get an “aura” message from Jane or Christy that a new post is about to go up. (Just these two posters for me, I’m afraid. I never get an “aura” message from other FDL posters.)
JF @ 38
Bush’s part? This is the kind of shrewd move a longtime successful operator in office politics would pull. Bush, whatever his faults, has never been accused of that. This is Cheney’s play.
(And I totally agree with your analysis. When I read about the appointment, I was impressed in an evil sort of way.)
Is there a transcript of this (only visual no audio at work for very obvious reasons)? The visuals are great — lots of tie ins with the previous ad with betray & awol, plus linking him solidly to bush with that charming handshake at end. What’s the voice over?
(I’d like to see MoveOn put subtitles in the YouTube snippets; youtube may not yet have a mechanism like google video for subtitles, but they can certainly release two versions, one with subtitles burned in…)
ouila!
Professor Foland @ 46
I meant “Bush” in the Bush/Cheney/Rove global sense. I couldn’t see Bush, himself, making any sort of shrewd move.
dakine01 @ 32
As well they should. (Though how they explain his fawning pre-election op-ed is another story.)
ccmask @ 33
I don’t know the specific story, but broadly speaking, the difference is that the soldier you’re talking about took personal actions to be publicly involved in a partisan political event. That’s a far cry from a campaign running a news clip (or photo) of a public figure like a general in a campaign ad.
The ad I’d love to see would be a collection of quotes from the former/retired military people who slammed BushCo and the war.
Announcer: Bush claims to listen to the generals and admirals. Perhaps he needs to listen a bit more closely . . .
Follow this with two or three voices quoting the specific claims of folks like General Casey and other senior Pentagon officials.
Announcer: It sounds pretty clear, even if President Bush missed it the first time around. Perhaps the House and Senate can remind him of this.
JF @ 38
Why, exactly? Keisler isn’t going to do anything worse than Gonzales (this my be wishful thinking on my part), and forcing Mukasey to put up or shut up on providing the info Congress wants is a good thing even if it takes longer. Let him stew for awhile, and let the weight of the DOJ abatross get heavier around the necks of the entire right. Keisler was leaving for a reason, and may not want to continue to defend the (contorted) positions with all stuff coming around the bend re Rove, Selgman, etc.
schwifty @ 39
I agree, except that they really didn’t need damage control. I think the “betrayal of trust” language is powerful.
is the consensus here that mukasey will be confirmed? i kinda think he’ll be the new ag but the winger senators will rake him over the coals
hmmm right now schumeris speaking on cspan re mukasey… i see quick passage listening to schumer
The pundits heralded Rudy’s response ad as genius – here is Digby’s take http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
The swiftness and heat of reaction from the right tells me that MoveOn is exactly on target. Expose their betrayals in plain language. If they ignore you, oh well. If they jump all over you, then you know that your blows have landed, to effect. The greater the heat, the greater the effect. Democrats, take heed.
juslin @ 53
I think Mukasey and the DOJ are gonna have a rough go for the next couple of months.
JF @ 38
Well, Dems could let themselves be forced into confirmation to get someone more objectionable out of the office, or they could go ahead with the original plan and then wait for Keisler to do something suspect, and call him up for hearing after unpleasant hearing until Keisler or Bush blink. They could get even nastier, I’m sure, if they want. It’s time!
juslin @ 53
Wouldn’t another Meirs fiasco, in which Teh Base excoriates Bush’s pick, be delightful right about now?
Biodun @ 45
Ha, ha, I’m sure I can and do do the first two, but you have an advantage over me on the third. Not a drop of psychic ability here, no aura, no nothing.
Them damn Iraqis are complaining about being liberated from their oxygen and their oil by our brave mercenaries.
When will the Iraqis pull themselves up by their bootstraps and knock it off and start acting like good doobies?
-GSD
P.S. I don’t trust this Mucousy guy.
TSF@59
hehehehehehehe – i’d relish that!! and it may happen cuz i see some wingers are not happy with him…
pseudonymous in nc @ 30
“Betrayal of trust” sounds like “Betray us” if you’re not listening real closely?
Although if Mucousy is NOT that objectionable the Democrats would do well to start singing his praises loudly and very publicly.
Get Teddy Kennedy, Barney Frank and Barbara Boxer out there saying that Mucousy is a great pick.
It’ll drive the wingnuts mad.
-GSD
Lindy @ 13
An idea no doubt believed by our future Attorney General:
Judge Mukasey is active in the firm’s Litigation group, working on white collar defense and investigations matters (from his current law firm’s biography)
And sho nuf, his son does the exact same thing! What noble work to choose…defending corporate crooks.
I’m sure he’ll be putting middle American citizens’ interests first and foremost as AG, and not just the “white collared” Americans like his good friend, Rudy Ghouliani.
JF @ 49
Bush has made only one shrewd move in his life: being born into the Bush family. Other than that, he’s basically a useful idiot.
Ann in AZ @ 60:
Wasn’t kidding at all on number 3.
petwrecker @ 48
Did you mean “voila!”?
bonkers at 65 — You know, Mr. ReddHedd does that, too, and so did I when I was in private practice. All businesses are not bad — some of them do good things for the folks who work for them and pay decent salaries and stuff. And getting good advice from an attorney who advocates that they follow the laws can make a huge difference.
yellowsnapdragon @ 52
My point is that this drives the point home without providing red meat to the right wing, and without saying anything offensive enough to military background democrats like Kerry and EE that they feel they need to distance themselves from it. It tweaks the betrayal meme away from the unfortunate military context it was born in. Good job.
peanutbutter @ 47
Here you go:
“Rudy Giuliani has always been a big fan of George Bush’s war in Iraq.
Yet when Giuliani had a chance to actually DO something about the war, he went AWOL.
After skipping important meetings of the Iraq Study Group, he quit.
And gave speeches—for money.
Republican voters should ask Giuiliani: “Where WERE you when it counted?”
Rudy Giuliani: A Betrayal of Trust.”
MoveOn apply directly to the fascists
MoveOn apply directly to the fascists
MoveOn apply directly to the fascists
Margot @ 63
Beytrayal of Trust and Betrayus are strong solid emotional triggers. They will have lasting significance. Voters will remember it as the sh*t keeps hitting the fan. Voters will blame the Republicans at the voting booth for their enabling of the Chimperor’s massive FUBAR betrayal.
Hey – I love y’all. Don’t know how I missed such a good group of happy warriors until now. Some of the other blogs have been mostly pissing and moaning about the Betray-us ad for days. Glad to see a group that: 1) makes concise comments and 2) can support a smart militant move when they see one. Go MoveOn.
Nice
when wingers attack with this much passion you know they are ANGRY and dont quite know what to do soo they attack the dems for moveon’s ad lol and some dumb dems take the goddamn bait…i give HRC points for not doing so… and now she’s taking hits for her health care proposal.. shades of the 90s….
Peterr said:
The ad I’d love to see would be a collection of quotes from the former/retired military people who slammed BushCo and the war.
Announcer: Bush claims to listen to the generals and admirals. Perhaps he needs to listen a bit more closely . . .
snip
Wonderful Peterr–email it to move on!!
Ann in AZ @ 68
thanx! Ann!
Diane @ 55
Diane: I’m hoping Saturday Night Live jumps on the Betray wagon this weekend.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004202.php
“McConnell once enjoyed a sterling reputation as a non-partisan defense professional. That’s all over, thanks to a string of events in the past couple months.
House Democrats believe McConnell negotiated with them on the Protect America Act in bad faith, reaching an agreement with them on a FISA compromise just before the August recess, only to see McConnell fall silent as the White House scotched it. (McConnell denies any such deal existed.) Then, in an interview with the El Paso Times, McConnell chastised Congress for allegedly revealing classified information during the surveillance debate — only to go on to do so himself. (For good measure, he added that “some Americans are going to die” because of loose Congressional lips.) Perhaps most egregiously, McConnell told the Senate Government Affairs Committee last week — completely contrary to the facts — that the Protect America Act was responsible for the apprehension of three German terrorist suspects earlier this month, and then waited two days to retract his false statement.”
Oathtakers Beware!!
juslin @ 76
The more the wingers keep piling on the Move On ad now, the better its going to be in a Friedman Unit when MoveOn is proven right. Let them keep it up. I hope O’Reilly runs with it. The little bit of damage they do now will not hurt us in the long run. The occupation is a disaster that no one can fix.
When you’ve lost the mothers – you’ve lost the game. They’ve lost the mothers.
ccmask @ 79
With Rudy being a New Yorker and all, it’s probably a good bet (although they also have OJ to kick around, so don’t bet the whole farm).
LS @ 80
I think oathtakers don’t have to worry quite so much as it is the oathbreakers who should fear.
hackworth@81
so true what you’ve said!!i heard 1 caller this am on washington journal say repugs will be in for a RUDE AWAKENING in ‘08… god i do hope so!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
Good point. I own a 2-person corporation and definately want a lawyer if ever needed. Ill just focus on the Ghouliana part of his background instead.
It’s just….are we ever going to see a lawyer from the ACLU, or some environmental group that has never made much money, but always fighting the good fight….are we ever going to see that person nominated for AG? (maybe it’s happened…not sure)
hackworth @ 81
yup!
ahh thats faux network for you….
bonkers — Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was an ACLU attorney who worked on their women’s rights issues project. And former Justice Thurgood Marshall worked for the NAACP as well. That’s just two…
bonkers @ 85
Ramsey Clark probably comes close to your wishes.
Michael Mukasey campaign contributions:
Rudy- $1,000 on 6-19-07
Rudy- $200.00 3-13-07
Lieberman- $1,000 on 9-28-06
bonkers @ 85
Well, there’s Ruth Bader Ginsberg, former in-house counsel for the ALCU. Of course, AG would be a step down for her at this point.
petwrecker @ 78
You are very welcome. You wouldn’t believe how long it took me to learn to spell that word. I musta been in my forties, at least.
gotta run out for errands – hate to leave the lake this cool day and such lively postings…give em hell pups and think peace ;o)
paul spencer @ 74
wooooooohoooooo
juslin @ 87
may Roger Ailes’, (not that Roger), this Roger’s, armpit be infested by the rare tzetze fly, of the sub…
s/
Need to clean the house. See y’all later.
Eureka Springs @ 72
Ooooh, me likey!
Ann in AZ @ 92
my first job was as a bank teller and this elderly woman would cash her check, count her money and in a loud voice, with stern bespeckled, countenance say, “Voila!”
*g*
You are very welcome. You wouldn’t believe how long it took me to learn to spell that word. I musta been in my forties, at least.
speaking of words, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read an invitation to a social/cultural event and puzzled over this word: hors d’oeuvre
Of course I know what ‘oar durves’ are! but nevertheless I’m often ’stumped:’
oar dee oohev raise…………gee, what’s that?
must be a ‘block’ of some sort….or latent ‘hickdom’………..:-)
ccmask @ 90
Nice. Especially the Lieberman. Mucousy is another team player.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 99
As a Kentucky country boy, those were sometimes referred to as “horses’ ovaries.”
Ooo… former AG Ramsey Clark. We could use an AG like this nowadaze (from Wiki entry):
“Clark is affiliated with VoteToImpeach, an organization advocating the impeachment of George W. Bush. He has been an opponent of both Persian Gulf War conflicts. “Impeachment is the most important issue facing Constitutional government in the United States. Impeachment will determine whether the American people will hold the Bush administration accountable for its High Crimes and Misdemeanors”"
Maybe this could happen with an actual Liberal as Prez, and yes, that does leave out Clinton.
If this Mucousy was a Schumer recommendation for the Supremes, the wingnuts cannot be happy:
The wingnut talking points practically write themselves.
Where’s that ON button for the VRW noise machine?
Anyone read this latest disgustingness from Iraq?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..ref=slogin
As a Kentucky country boy, those were sometimes referred to as “horses’ ovaries.”
dakine01
heh.:-) ‘jus dip the bread in it……….’
dakine @ 101:
Hmmm. We used to call them “whores’ ovaries.”
LS @ 80
He’s earned the name McCornhole.
-GSD
The MoveOn ads are right on.
The time for politeness in the call for an end to the Iraq occupation is over.
The time for throwing punches a la MoveOn has arrived.
Jonathan @ 108
About 10 years ago.
Richard Vigeurie is boo-hooing Mucousy as we write.
Right winger calls Bush lamest of lame ducks.
-GSD
GSD @ 110
At some point, the right wingers have to accept that there are consequences for their having thrust Bush on this nation.
Good post. WE CAN’T SAY THIS ENOUGH:
The Rethuglicans ALWAYS accuse the Dems of DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING THEMSELVES.
Kerry was gay, remember that? When it is the biggest open secret that Bush himself is gay as is Laura, etc. How many closeted gay republicans have we seen lately?
I don’t say this to demonize gays. I like gays, live in a gay area, have gay friends, etc.
New Thread
Good post Jane, and Good on MoveOn.
I was surprised by EE cos I thought she knew better.
Imagine a world where decisions of importance were made by people of FDL quality? I’d consider living longer.. now I hardly care.
I love this line….”not clear whether the Iraqis had the legal authority to do so” (prosecute murder committed by Blackwell employees.
EXCUSE ME?
A country, a “sovereign” country can’t prosecute murder w/in its borders?
This is a sign that the government is gonna go down. No way is Shooter gonna allow the Govmint of Iraq to kick him, err, his company out of Iraq. Too many stock options at stake.
Maliki’s days are numbered.
Hillary has a plan.
Clinton offers universal health care plan
‘Individual mandate’ centerpiece requires all to have health insurance
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20819827/
How Hillary Won Over the Health-Care Industry
She was persona non grata in the early 1990s, when the then-first lady’s dramatic health-care reform package went down. These days Hillary Clinton is winning raves among health-care-industry groups—and attracting their campaign dollars.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20…../newsweek/
I thought this ad was strong in verbal content but very weak in the visual message to uphold those words….
paul spencer @ 74
Welcome to FDL Paul Spencer! Spread the word far and wide the spirit of Tom Paine is alive and well at the pristine shores of da Lake 24/7.
Y’all Chickenhawks to Me – by Elmo (MP3)
(If you have trouble with the link right click and “save target as”)
I remember that dreary fall of 2002 when Jim Lehrer would have Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar and Joe Biden on about once a week to repeat again and again and again how the initial “defeat” of Iraq’s “forces” could be and probably would be accomplished quite easily.
The problem, they practically shouted (I recall the very mellow Dick Lugar just bristle with disdain at some assbite’s analysis from one of the neocon think-tanks) was Securing The Peace after our precision bombs had taken out the “valuable targets” they had.
It seems to me that the same “Americans” who are just so gosh darned fed up with this war while at the same time don’t seem to know and/or care about what exactly it is that we’ve wrought over there, ought to think about all their bluster and bullshit and preoccupation with some missing little girl in Utah (Elizabeth Smart-remember her?) or Michael Jackson holding his kid over a balcony or how smooth and powerful that handsome Donald Rumsfeld looked yesterday at one of his wonderful press conferences….
“Gotcha” America was and is constantly preoccupied with the latest scandal and you can always count on Larry King to do a roundtable discussion about what exactly went wrong with Lindsey Anna Nicole Paris Hasselhoff; televise the bickering of parents Alec Balwin and Kim Bassinger or spend a week with wall-to-wall coverage of a bathroom misdemeanor setup…
GOTCHA! Britney is fat! GOTCHA!
I remember that there were many voices at that time, literally screaming about the dangers and pure folly of invading Iraq, including Mohammed El Baradi, Hans Blix and Scott Ritter among others.
Chuck Hagel has always stuck in my mind because of his unwavering statements about the disaster this folly could produce.
But I can’t get the image out of my mind of Congressman John Conyers trying to hold hearings on the “Downing Street Memos” back in June of 2005, when the Republicans were still stifling all dissent, and being relegated to the basement of the Capitol. (Longworth?)
For the last six years, Democrats tried to hold this Bush Administration accountable for a myriad of transgressions only to be obstructed at every turn.
Now the fickle American public, oblivious to the fact that we’ve probably killed a million Iraqis, just want to “get out of there” and scream at the Democrats to stop the war immediately. Those darned Democrats, that’s the problem; or the classic: “It’s both parties really” (Note: “No, it’s the Republicans who created and cheer lead this beastly effort- you don’t get to now, finally, start including the Dems in this mess)
Did you see the hissyfit that the Beltway mob threw about the Move On advertisement? Enough said.
Sheesh….
Chuck Hagel On Real Time With Bill Maher ::September 14, 2007::
There’s something familiar about Rudy in that initial frame… contrast and compare.
http://www.terrainvague.com/images/rudy_max.jpg
What is painful for the other side, is that MoveOn was able to cut the string from their trial balloon of having a military that was loyal them and not to the country.
Lindy @ 13
U PEOPLE ARE SCARY, LAY OFF THE SELF PITTY
I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE? GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND, YOU IDEALOG!!