It seems that CBS had its nose even more out of joint than we originally thought about the criticism of Katie Couric’s puffery from Iraq. From Jason Lee Miller at WebProNews:
…Regardless, WebProNews becomes involved because someone at CBS allegedly (a CBS spokeswoman was quite adamant about the “allegedly” part) insulted viewers who complained about Couric’s “softball” reporting from Iraq and mocked them for getting their information from blogs.
Oh, and Katie Couric’s publicist threatened to sue us, which also gets us involved in a much bigger way, and makes this story, much, much more newsworthy, but we’ll get to that later….
When asked about the comments in the email, CBS Evening News Communications Manager Jennifer Farley (Couric’s publicist) said, “It’s very easy to make it look like it came from us,” and would not confirm that the email came from CBS News, despite the email address….
…My understanding: CBS denies sending the email, cannot confirm that it came from there.
A few minutes later, Ms. Farley, by telephone, insists that everything that was said yesterday was off the record, that CBS didn’t even have a “no comment” because there was nothing to comment on, and if I printed that I could expect to hear from CBS’s legal department. Very suddenly, then, she has turned my puff piece into a major story about a major network trying to bully a Web-publication with the threat of a SLAPP suit. And I am stunned by how she has transformed something routine into something newsworthy.
I’m also aware (because she told me) that Ms. Farley graduated top of her class from Columbia Journalism School, and was quite willing to let me know how much I had to learn about journalism, but she should be at least vaguely familiar with the First Amendment, and that a source can’t just give information and say it’s “off the record” with any type of viable legal grounds. It’s a professional courtesy, not a legal mandate, and that courtesy sort of flies out the window when lawsuits are threatened.
But enough about me and Ms. Farley. Let’s get back to the email.
MoveOn traced the IP address of the email addressed from Evening@cbsnews.com, the one that would be very easy to make look like came from CBS to 170.20.0.80, which resolves to a mail server at CBS Inc., 524 West 57th Street, New York, NY 10019.
Adam Green, Civics Communications Director for MoveOn.org, says, “It’s a real problem when big media corporations like CBS refuse to ask tough questions challenging President Bush’s lies about Iraq, yet feel fine threatening little-guy online news sites for daring to hold CBS accountable.”
Over-reaction, much? Seems awfully thin-skinned for a major network news anchor, her professional Executive Producers and an entire television network news apparatus to freak out over a few questions of substance and accountability, doesn’t it? Is it me, or did the questions about Katie’s puff pieces hit a big ole nerve?
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mine?
hahahaha
Not thin skin as much as double standard.
gahhhhh!
I seem to be good at getting it without really trying, lol.
Redd!!!
CBS can afford to pay bigger legal fees for a longer period of time than any blogger. If it turns into a legal war of attrition, they win 100 percent of the time. They know that, and they behave accordingly. Anyone who wants to joust with them has to find a way to change the size and shape of the playing field.
CBS News has to be terrified — they made a multi-million dollar mistake hiring Katie, and seem determined to try to fix their error. Their “fix” seems to be: make Katie even less newsy, even more Regime-friendly, and even less interrogatory. This has created ill will among the news types remaining, and provided them excess time, which they appear to use not terribly constructively in responding to emails from “bloggers,” the People Formerly Known As Their Audience.
Crash, meet burn.
Poor, poor poor Katie!
It always hurts when you touch a rotten tooth.
First off, Katie is a disaster. Les Moonves has some decent luck programming entertainment but he’s a failure when it comes to news — because he thinks news should be the same as entertainment — which is why we got Katie to start. She has no gravitas. She has no authority and she’s not really a very good reader. Her first shows were an embarrassment and most of the audience never came back. CBS is sensitive about this because their little experiment has gone off the rails and it’s going to cost them a forture to correct. They’re also sensitive because of the Dan Rather affair.
Yet all of this is terribly mishandled. Too bad it isn’t Fox.
Oh… Katie…
Ian @ 11
Imus too, right?
Katie Couric and CBS are thin skinned. They went after the FOX model of unfair and unbalanced and can only achieve the unbalanced section so far.
She was all the wrong choice in the first place because she has a perpetual smiley face, completely inappropriate for delivering serious news.
and obviously she’s now a Prima Donna
I’m disappointed with CBS, ever since they fired Dan Rather. I was also rather hoping that Katie Couric would see her new job as an opportunity to use her creds as a *journalist,* but apparently not.
It is sad how the news departments of the once proud TV networks have all decided that “news” is a wierd kind of entertainment that needs to MAKE MONEY, and that making just a little money is not good enough.
Bob in HI
At this point in internet history, I cannot believe that someone would STILL be dumb enough to try to use that “it is easy to fake an email address” schtick. The instant I saw that “defense” I thought, “Sheesh, just look at the goddamned headers” and sho nuff, MoveOn did what ANY clue-owning persons would do and checked the headers to find (GASP!) a CBS IP address!.
Couric is a waste of skin and CBS “news” is a waste of time. Go bankrupt already! Why drag out the inevitable?
TeddySanFran @ 8
Hey Happy Birthday!
(a day late but not a sentiment short)
TeddySanFran @ 8
Most indubitably, Teddy!!! ;-)
I guess we can see there’s at least one big media player with its own unrelated axe to grind with MoveOn, that might use the Betray Us? advertisement to attempt to “discredit” MoveOn….
It’ll be interesting to see if Stewart & Colbert, on Comedy Central (co-parented with CBS by Viacom) cover this little dust-up. Colbert made a big deal about Katie promising to wear his WristStrong bracelet, then breaking her promise on-air that nite.
Someone close by has indicated she feels when it comes to Katie, there is simply ‘no there, there’.
I’ll confess I usually have Brian Williams on while I’m fixing dinner. I’ll also listen to Charles Gibson or the Blitzer depending on what time it is.
I do, however, draw the line at Katie.
Makes me long for the days of Dan Rather, who I used to regard as a pompous sensationalist. Now he seems like the reincarnation of Joseph Pulitzer.
I don’t know why, but the whole “graduated first in my class at Columbia, so I’m going to sue your ass if you print this” threat just cracks me up. *g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
Do you think journalism students at Columbia daydream about growing up to be Katie Couric’s publicist?
raven @ 13
Question for y’all: are there or have there ever been any female anchors or TV journalists that you didn’t feel the same way about that you feel about Katie? Someone you could pop Katie out and the new person in and that person would be competent? If so, please name her.
Later this afternoon, according to House Republican sources, Minnesota Congressman Jim Ramstad will become the latest Republican member of Congress to announce his decision to retire, rather than run for re-election in 2008. Ramstad represents a very competitive district that barely went for Pres. Bush in both 2000 and 2004.
Hey Katie!
Botox much?
Lord, look at her forehead. Makes her look mean instead of just having a flat affect.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
another one bites the dust
Teddy at 24 — Well, gosh, doesn’t everyone?
(Happy b-day, btw. I’m sure your sweetie gave you a lovely present or two, but have a hug from me as well, even if it is a day late.)
Ann in AZ at 25 – Linda Ellerbee
I wouldn’t watch network news even if KO were an Anchor… Way to many commercials! Katie is just insultingly trite, patronizing and well, just plain old dumb.
Aside from that.. Even 60 minutes has gone so far downhill that Andy Rooney is the only professional segment left.
Ann in AZ @ 25
Gwen Eifel.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
Because it’s funny. OT, I was out earlier today and missed possible news about Peanut and the Zoo. What was her favorite exhibit?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
Chris Cillizza on Ramstad
and what a bore that is
That’s an excellent question.
…
Hey! I know! We could ask Katie! and, you know, she could ‘LOOK IT UP’!
Ann in AZ at 25 — Actually, there has been a female co-anchor before Katie. ABC had one. And, honestly, Meridith Viera, who took Katie’s place on the Today show, was a fantastic journalist with great chops when she was doing 60 Minutes back in the day. When she digs into a story, she’s really good at it. Ditto for Christiane Amanpour. There are a lot…they just aren’t in any anchor chairs. (Amanpour because she’d rather do investigative work than be stuck in a studio, I suspect.)
oddmommy @ 22
Where have you gone Walter Cronkite?!?!?!
Some serious stuff?
UN warns against attack on Iran
The United Nations nuclear watchdog chief has warned against the hasty use of force over Iran’s nuclear programme after the French foreign minister said the world needs to prepare for the possibility of war.
Bernard Kouchner said in an interview broadcast on French television and radio: “We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war.”
ljt @ 30
Christiane Amanpour
Lara Logan
Rachel Maddow
Ann in AZ @ 25
Elizabeth Farnsworth of the News Hour
JPL at 33 — She loves every animal at the zoo. But yesterday they were having a birthday party for one of the elephants, and doing face painting. She got hers done as a kitty, and we spent a large part of our day saying “meow.” LOL We had a blast…and she slept almost the whole way home in the car.
Since the subject is MSM,
NY Times bails on the Times Select firewall.
includes access to archives not previous in public domain.
53 minutes ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..es.html?hp
raven @ 32
Ifel, and that was the first name that popped into my head, too!!!
punaise @ 41
Andrea Mitchell! *g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
Thank you, Christy! I will save that hug and share it with him this evening when he arrives home to celebrate the seventh anniversary celebration of our first date.
Anyone remember Connie Chung? She co-anchored with Rather back in the early 1990’s. Another dismal flop, iirc.
One of Clusterfuck’s Assistant US Attorneys arrested for tryin ta have sex with a five year old girl….
The family values crowd is havin a great month or two.
BlueStateRedHead @ 43
an idea almost as stupid as New Coke
TeddySanFran @ 40
Maddow would be a perfect fit, Amanpour is a better reporter than anchor…!!!
Ann in AZ @ 25
Monica Novotna(sp?) (MSNBC)
Ms. Couric’s “top notch” Columbia JS publicist got caught trying to pull a Rove: deceptively implying that CBS hadn’t sent the offensive e-mail, without actually saying that it hadn’t, when it fact the e-mail came from CBS’ server. She then tried to bully her way out of having been caught in a deception by claiming her top grad status at Columbia trumped an Internet reporters’ academic (and, therefore, street) cred, and then threatening legal action. Good thing she didn’t go to Columbia Law School. Threatening legal action without adequate grounds to do so is a No No.
Sounds like both CBS and Ms. Couric need new publicists, and a little more integrity. My guess is Ms. Couric knew nothing about it until the Cheney hit the fan. Just goes to show how hard it is to follow in Karl’s footsteps, just as Bobo Brooks is discovering how hard it is to follow in the hobnailed bootsteps of Bill Safire.
Ann in AZ @ 25
are you nuts? Amy Goodman!
she is the best, by far of any man, woman or martian on the planet.
Methinks she protests overmuch. So CBS either doesn’t know that you can trace the O.P. or doesn’t think those smelly, hippie bloggers could possibly know how to acquire it…..Either way, it says so very much about where the corporation is.
CTuttle @ 44
I have actually learned to dislike Ifel, particularly on “Washington Week”.
If Kitty Pilgrim could get out from under Dobbs’ wing, I think she could flourish as an anchor!
DETROIT — A U.S. Justice Department official has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a minor.
John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, was arraigned in U.S. District Court in Detroit Monday afternoon.
An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police.
casual observer @ 55
Well. there you have it!
TeddySanFran @ 40
Lara Logan is my choice. She’d run rings around Katie Couric. Maddow would never get it for obvious reasons. Can’t have no libruls on TV!!! I am not impressed with Amanpour(probably having to do with overall disgust with CNN).
rwcole @ 48
oh please…..not really?
This is beyond what I can endure, having nothing to do with politics.
TeddySanFran @ 40
Actually, that Amy Robach who substitutes for Keith, as well as Alison Stewart, have grown into the anchor role very well.
rwcole @ 48
Must have been one of the children that Alberto Gonzales let slip through his safety net.
Jeebus crow, the GOP is like a pirate ship on leave in Port Royal.
-GSD
Elliott @ 49
They announced that a few weeks ago. When is it going to in effect?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 59
How bout Mika Brzezinski.
casual observer @ 55
I blame it on the CPB’s sudden switch to Koolaid in all their watercoolers…!!! ;-)
Semi funny. Yahoo headline…
McCain says his overall faith more important than denomination
This is what it looked like at first glance… ; )
McCain says his overall faith more important than de nomination
Ann in AZ @ 25
Martha Raddatz, ABC News
Lara Logan, CBS News
Ashleigh Banfield, fired for being too honest about the war.
Pretty soon I can all the news I need about the new Iran War from Katie.
GSD @ 62
MargaretPOA @ 54
I agree. Really quite shocking, that. And how juvenile is their defensive posturing? And with such attitude! That’s it for me. No more CBS. Right in the crapper with Faux News. I’ll still watch Jon Stewart and Colbert on Comedy Central, though. I have to get some real news on the tube somewhere.
rwcole @ 57
Another Florida GOPervert. Place the entire GOP in Florida on a pedophile watch list for God’s sake.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 46
Awwwwwww! Happy Birthday and congratulations!
Jane Curtin?
Can I go OT for a sec? MSNBC political calendar shows a repub debate for tonight. Is that right? Can’t find word of it anywhere.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 63
“The New York Times will stop charging for access to parts of its Web site, effective at midnight Tuesday night, reflecting a growing view in the industry that subscription fees cannot outweigh the potential ad revenue from increased traffic on a free site.”
my bold
Exactly who makeup Katie’s audience?
she needs to update her Couric-you-lum vitae
Elizabeth Farnsworth and Margaret Warner outshine Ifill. In fact Judy Woodruff asks more probing questions. It’s not a male, female anchor ship that makes the difference. Some stations go after perky and cute rather than substance. I can’t imagine Amanpour would want to be in that situation.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 38
Actually, Christiane Amanpour is the one I was thinking of when I asked for names. I also think Barbara Walters was good in her time, and for some reason I also always kinda liked Diane Sawyer (for which I thoroughly expect to get spanked.) The reason that I asked though, is because this is not the first time I’ve heard females as anchor persons criticized here. I was wondering whether this was another one of those “A woman can’t get elected President!” deals.
News of Atchison’s arrest is “a shellshock” in Gulf Breeze, where Atchison was the president of a local youth recreation board and had been involved in coaching soccer, baseball and other sports.
Atchison is married with children and has lived in the community about 20 years.
casual observer @ 70
bolded is what I was trying to say. Forgive me, long day…
TeddySanFran @ 8
I think you hit the nail on the head. Katie’s ratings are not doing so well, this is another hit.
CHS let us know if we can help. Write more e-mails? You have touched a nerve if they are respondind like this.
Invite Katie to the blog…
How about emptywheel for an anchor job? The reports from the Prettyman courthouse during the Libby trial would make some interesting audition tapes.
Cozumel @ 66
“Iran is not a suicide nation,” he said. “I mean, they may have some people in charge that don’t appear to be rational, but I doubt that the Iranians intend to attack us with a nuclear weapon.”
Cue the rightwing Islamo-fascist accusations against General John Abizaid for saying the above.
In three, two, one.
-GSD
Thanks for the update on the Selective Times, the gated community of the news world. The Times, unlike Mr. Bush, knows when to admit (some) of its mistakes. (Michael Gordon and Ms. Bumiller apparently remain on the payroll, along with Mr. Brooks.)
GSD @ 86
WOW!
Actually I would like to see Katie go and interview some of the 4 million Iraqi refugees. Are you lurking CBS…this would take Katie’s numbers up
Ha Greenspan said, I’m not saying they “Bush” thinks the war is about oil, I’m saying it IS about oil”.
Pamela Anderson, Lilly Tomlin, Greta Van Susterenenenen, Whoopie Goldberg, Helen Thomas, Lara Flyn Boyle, Heidi Flyse, Debra Norville, or Hillary Clinton could take off running.
Kathleen @ 89
Spotlight this right to her!
Elliott @ 45
I know you gotta be kidding. The very idea!
solai @ 75
The “Value Voters Debate” might be what they have in mind. Calling all wingnuts!
OOh, Ed Schultz on Hardball!
Ann in AZ @ 80
Well Diane was a Nixon staffer in her early years.
Edit: after he left office IIRC
Happy Birthday Teddy. I do believe I saw it posted that you had one today or yesterday.
GSD @ 86
That’s exactly why Darth showed him the door…!!!
KO is sick, right?
So Katie Couric works in the Lite News Department at CBS and her publicist works in the adjacent (or sometimes not) Department of You Can’t Make This Shit Up?
Ann in AZ @ 93
“the very idea”
ohhh, I love that expression, my grandmother always would say that, she was such a sweetie!
What’s really sad, pathetic, and ironic is that Katie actually thinks she is a journalist.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
I have a vague memory of an article in Rolling Stone from the 70s where Hunter Thompson just eviscerated the whole “Columbia Journalism School Pyramid Lead” thing.
And, if this person is just so amazingly clever(which she obviously believes she is since she was numero uno in her class at CJS), how come she made this threat, not knowing/forgetting that people can trace IP addresses? Hmm?
Or, is she still writing her copy using “copy sets” on a 1927 Underwood with “#” at the end? Sorry, sweetie, but swinging the CBS stick at an internet news organization, in the patronizing position that “We ARE CBS News (home of Edward R. Murrow, Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather et al.)” is an open invitation for those of us who are the screw-like mammels scuttling around the feet of the soon-to-be extinct dinosaurs, to take a poke at or chew on the toes of, you.
dakine01 @ 96
That’s why I figured I’d be spanked soundly.
Shoot. I wouldn’t even listen to Katie interviewing Alan Greenspan.
GSD @ 86
Clearly, the military does not want to go the Cheney route. This is a good sign.
raven @ 99
Emergency Appendectomy!!! 8-(
Ann in AZ @ 95
We are looking at that too.
raven @ 99
Emergency appendicitis on friday. Supposed to return Wednesday per C&L
rwcole @ 81
Good God, I am sorry for even making light of this story before reading it.
This is a seriously ill human being.
-GSD
Toby Wollin @ 103
Damn… I need a cigarette after that one..)
Ann in AZ @ 104
I think you can see there are a whole host of good, female news people. It’s just that Katie C. ain’t perceived to be one of them.
exercise
purify
fight
Oh gawd. McCain is coming up on “Hardball”.
In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that “you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents.”
The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, ” I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice.”
The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, “Just gotta go slow and very easy. I’ve done it plenty,” according to detectives.
Did anyone else get a letter from Senators Chris Dodd and Patrick Leahy? Seems they plan to attach the Habeas Corpus Restoration act as an ammendment to the Defense Authorization bill currently being debated on the floor of the Senate. They’re asking people to sign on as citizen sponsors. The thing that worries me is that getting this through might be the price for NOT including the Webb Amendment. I’m kind of spoiling for a fight, and hope that they attach BOTH amendments, and make the Republicans defend their stance.
Iraq was and is about oil So is Iran.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
Cue the Beach Boys…!!!
rw at 115 — Welcome to my former job. If I told you all the details of every one of those cases I’ve had to deal with in an abuse and neglect and/or criminal context, you’d all cry for a month. Or want to punch anything in your path.
This is why I don’t try cases any longer. Because you can only dig through so much of that before you literally want to throttle people. I hope the detective was wearing a wire for the meet-up — and suspect that she most likely was.
Lindy @ 116
I got the same email.
It’s a tough call but I think I want my Constitution back even more than I want the troops out of Iraq. But the priority difference is 1A and 1B. Both extremely necessary. IMNSHO.
Lindy at 116 — I have something coming up on that shortly.
rwcole @ 115
Yes, disgusting. But again, do not assume this is a republican. I believe this is a career guy, not a political appointee.
rwcole @ 115
My eyeballs feel slimy just reading that.
Good call on Ashleigh Banfied, now working her way back up through the ranks after being dismissed for doing her job instead of just looking purdy.
I agree with the assessment of Gwen Ifil; she is not fulfulling her potential. She is soft when questioning GOP news and endlessly smarmy when reporting on the Democrats. It’s as if she’s studying reporting (sic) from MoDo. Sad end to a promising career, but it mirrors what’s happening to all of The NewsHour.
CTuttle @ 44
Actually, Ifill. Not a fan.
The news is so much fluff. I haven’t watched network news for news for years. I may have seen Couric a time or two, but no matter, none of them have much to report about anything of significance. Its obviously not permitted to report on anything except missing blondes or diaper wearing astronauts (but not diaper wearing Vitters).
dakine01 @ 112
I knew that! I just wondered how some of the “boys” perceived it? BTW, Katie did do one truly great thing. After her husband died of cancer of the colon, she has been pushing colonoscopy (SP?)to the point that they’ve shown them during the Today show. You’d think it’d be gross, etc., but apparently a lot of people went to their doctor’s and caught their cancers early due to watching this on TV. They call it the “Couric” effect, or maybe it’s the “Katie” effect. In any case, credit where credit is due.
casual at 122 is correct. In all likelihood, most AUSAs are career folks, not political appointees. And whatever this individual’s particular political affiliation, it doesn’t matter — there are much bigger issues at stake than politics on something like this.
Gosh, Katie … and publicist why the hostility to your AUDIENCE?
Anyway, finally got enough time together for my post about the loose nukes
(psss, [whispers] sorry, Katie, if you’re lurking, I’m kind of a liberal blogger so you might not wanna look)
Lindy @ 116
On cspan this afternoon, Leader Reid said there are over three hundred amendments..
Leahy made a floor speech for restoration of the great writ of Habeas Corpus today.. well worth trying to see on the toobz if cspan posts it.
Elliott @ 101
“well, I never…!”
rwcole @ 115
There’s a special place in Hell for scumbags like him…!!! *gah*
punaise @ 131
c’mon, we know you ALWAYS…!
CHS, Thank you for doing that kind of work while you could. Bless your heart.
Peterr @ 84
That’s what I was thinking. Someone real for a change; not fake and movie-starish.
solai @ 75
Values Voters Debate, being snubbed by Thompson, McCain, Rudi, and Mitt.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 128
I am sorry, I jumped on this without reading the story and I assumed it was another garden variety GOPervert and not the horror story it appears to be.
Sorry, I take it all back.
I read the story it’s sick and it aint nothing to be joked about.
-GSD
A poster on Mediamatters sent off a complaint about Katie. A snarky reply from cbs was her answer.
raven @ 74
Give me a break!
Eureka at 134 — It was the most rewarding work I’ve ever done in my life. To save children from that was a grace. If we hadn’t been dealing with fertility problems while I was doing the work, I may have been able to continue it — but it was simply impossible for me to keep doing it after a while.
TeddySanFran @ 125
Heh, I googled it and had hits for it, but, that was my first impression too, Ifill!!! *g*
If I’m in power, I don’t care about what’s said on FDL.
I want to know what’s going to keep me in power.
If I’m on FDL, I want to know how to seize power.
The time for politeness is over.
“Very suddenly, then, she has turned my puff piece into a major story about a major network trying to bully a Web-publication with the threat of a SLAPP suit.”
SLAPP back!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP
Ed at 138 — Actually, it was a C&L commenter and a MoveOn.org member, if I remember correctly. If you click thru the links int he post above, you’ll see we’ve been following this for a while. *g*
Brel1 @ 135
But the whole “movie-starish” thing is what gets people “on-air” jobs in the first place. When I was at Newhouse in the mid-1970s, we already knew that looks were at least as important as skills in terms of getting into tv news. So, this has been around and getting worse for 30 years.
CTuttle @ 107
Are you serious? How did you find out? KO is not on for another half hour here.
Update: I just saw this:
from dakin01 at #109. So, never mind.
Katie should be doing the weather in Yuma, AZ.
End of story.
Ann in AZ @ 25
-Barbara Jordan.
-Huh? She’s dead!
-And your point is…?
As to your question that sometimes it appears that a gender-bias creeps into the Lake wrt to opinions on news
mumblersreaders, perhaps.Though I’ve been known to call her: Katie “But I’m a Cheerleader” Couric, I do feel that I’m an Equal Opportunity Offender.
For example: CNN’s Tony “Would You Buy a Used Car From Him” Harris. Or Faux News’ Chris “My Dad Bought Me This Job” Wallace.
Ann in AZ @ 139
That’s the news, good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
-GSD
Killing children? How many children are dead as a result of the Bush actions?
Ann in AZ @ 146
Friday, was when he was admitted…!!!
Jonathan @ 142
This makes it seem like a coup. I think it’s more like a market. You provide a better product, you outgrow them, you take their market share, and they expire. Or find some other business.
Gwenn Awful.
-GSD
Elliott @ 76
Thanks!!
Ann in AZ @ 146
Anyone’s tinfoil hat start humming when they heard the news of the emergency surgery?
Marion in Savannah might have more time to bake goodies starting Wednesday morning, Times Select is going away. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..es.html?hp Since I receive home delivery I hope that they keep the archives open, that was a great perk.
GSD @ 153
She not awful, but she hardly towers above her peers.
I think it’s kind of hard to give someone appendicitis ;)
A week of war reports, the retired Generals report, the Gao report and the Petraeus/Crocker report and what changed….Nothin absolutely nothin for the Iraqi people
War what is it good for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv5BYEOQYLo
She’s the Britney of news anchors.
JPL @ 156
She also keeps track of the number of days left we must suffer under the Bush Presidency.
I just finished reading the entire article and the archives will be open to all from 1987 and forward.
Casual Observer at 152
I used to believe in the free market of ideas.
The market is corrupted.
The time is for revolution.
Won’t happen today.
Hope it happens during my life.
I’d do just about anything to see CBS bring back Walter Cronkite (yup – he’s still around) and give him carte blanche to rebuild the entire CBS News organization from the ground up.
Well…it was a neat-o fantasy for a second there, wasn’t it?
Toby Wollin @ 145
Yes, it’s gotten really old. It’s so refreshing to see someone without plastic lips.
Brel1 @ 135
She is just too smart and serious..she would blow their minds
earlofhuntingdon @ 124
The one good thing Ifill did was kick Teh Big Punkin’s(Russert for those not familiar with his nickname) butt after the Imus episode.
Some dude some the crap tasered out of him at Kerry event in Florida.
Brett Somers passed away at 83 today.
Cue the Match Game theme song.
-GSD
Jonathan @ 163
I think you’re typing in one right now. fwiw
Christy:
This is gold!
Any way to escalate this all the way up to a KO “worst person” mention—or even bigger?
I am sure the world is full of people who would like to take advantage of the fact that this flack is turning Katie Couric into Britney Spears with this behavior.
More important, the MSM is due for some re-thinking of its role–you know, being hard nosed and probing when the Dems come into office.
Snud @ 164
They could have Cronkite on once a week for a special commentary like Keith’s and their ratings would soar.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 167
amen
Tithonia @ 158
Heh, some nervous nellies certainly reside here at the lake!!! 8-)
JPL @ 172
or Daniel Schorr, on a good day
casual observer at 170
sorry, don’t understand what you’re saying
raven @ 168
Taser
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A University of Florida student was dragged away by police and tasered during a town hall meeting with U.S. Sen. John Kerry.
Andrew Meyer, of Weston, approached an open microphone at the University Auditorium on campus and began asking Kerry several questions, including why he didn’t contest the 2004 election results and why President George W. Bush hasn’t been impeached.
When officers tried to physically remove Meyer from the auditorium, he began yelling.
Several officers pushed him to the ground, and threatened to use a taser on him. After a scuffle on the ground, Meyer was tasered and handcuffed.
Meyer was charged with disrupting a public event and placed in the Alachua County Jail.
Copyright 2007 by NBC6.net. All rights reserved.
I miss Daniel Schorr. They could let Ray Suarez do more on Newshour. That would make me really happy…
Kathleen @ 166
EW’s speaking truth to power would make their heads explode.
There was that woman recently who refused to lead with a Britney story – balled up the paper and threw it away. Who was that?
CTuttle @ 174
Always.
Bah hahahahahaha! As usual…the blogs (especially the foul-mouthed fem blogs!) are holding the ROM (republican owned media) and our government’s feet to the fire! Love it. *big thumbs up*
Jonathan @ 176
The revolution Jon–you’re looking at it. The intertubes. imo.
On the horrible deviant behavior of the Red State judge in the red county with tons o’ churches – I’d venture a guess that he was a member in good standing of some kind of Christian church. Society maintains a widely held yet unfounded belief that religion has an effect/impact on and is a keeper/checker of morality. Its not true.
Hey guys – dija catch the “that was off the record” snarl? And the response – that you never get to be off the record retroactively?
My first thought was that she musta gone to the “Tim Russert Division” of Columbia J School.
Remember? Off the record is his default position, according to his Libby trial testimony.
Jonathan @ 176
We’re certainly a free market of ideas, for what our opinions are worth…!!! ;-)
I have a lot of respect for Dan Schorr, but am afraid that one of the reasons that NPR uses him as their resident weekend liberal is that many people can dismiss him as a doddering old great-grandpa (which he is, increasingly).
JPL @ 172
Was it Nixon or LBJ that knew they were fuc-ed once they lost Cronkite re: Vietnam.
Mad Dogs @ 148
MD, I’ve probably said worse things about her. I remember when she did the morning show. I could only watch a few times. What I remember from then is that she was not a good interviewer. She would constantly interrupt the answers of the persons she was interviewing to make her own point. It was all about her.
Just like you, my assessment did not come from gender bias.
Tweety: “Are troops who die in Iraq from this day forward dying in vain?” Question in response to Greenspan saying everybody knew the war was for oil.
casual observer @ 183
I don’t know how the tubes will work out.
Street demontrations still make sense, in my opinion.
Praedor Atrebates @ 17
Cannot do that! Gotta protect the
shareholder’sfat-assed CEO’s equity don’t ya know…..Christy Hardin Smith @ 179
Ray Suarez was the best host ever on NPR’s Talk of the Nation. Always prepared, good questions, fair moderator.
(current TOTN host Neal Conan? feh….)
Ann in AZ @ 25
Ashleigh Banfield
raven @ 177
Kerry should have stood up for him, maybe even brought him up on the stage.
What a bunch of overly sensitive crybabies at CBS. I wonder if they will sue me too because I wrote them last week and said that because of the Katie’s puff reporting from Iraq, I won’t watch their news anymore. Wah!
LS @ 190
Tweety, has been on fire, of late!
Keep up the good fight…!!! 8-)
this is a worthwhile clip from Democracy Now.
Amy interviewing Micheal Klare author of “Blood and oil” Micheal says that leaders realize that “the prospect for a National Iraq has been lost, and that what is taking place is the fighting over the remains, the carcass of Iraq”
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..14/1422209
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 188
LBJ, that was right after Tet.
By the way, that photo of Couric gives me the creeps. Look at that empty smile, those absolutely dead eyes. Right out of a horror film.
carolyn urban @ 180
That was Mika. But, that was her only shining moment. She barely speaks. I can’t figure her out. I think she’s trying to be a neutral reporter so she says nothing. Which is fine, except that it’s a morning talk show and she just sits there.
Jonathan @ 191
By the way, when is that street thing going to happen? Nov. 6?
raven @ 198
Tet I, wasn’t it?
punaise @ 175
Schorr was great tonight…have a listen
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=14478992
Tithonia @ 158
As long as they don’t find any of that nasty nuclear stuff that was used on that Russian guy. But then, if they did, do you think we’d ever hear about it? Chris Matthews seems to be out a disproportionate amount of time this year too? Diabetes? Anyone know anything about what’s wrong with him?
It does seem somewhat odd to me that out of seven soldiers who wrote that op-ed, two are dead and one seriously wounded with a head injury. They were at the tail end of their tour of duty. So, I think, was Capt. Travis Patriquin, who did the stick figure powerpoint presentation regarding how to do things more effectively. He had some good ideas and seemed to understand things there better than a lot of people, and I believe they may finally be implementing some of them, now that he’s dead.
CT at 186
I love FDL because it’s a free market of ideas.
Wish commenters here would take on Liberty Lee and Big Ken more directly.
I believe in the free market of ideas.
JPL @ 195
Is there video? Maybe it will show up on Youtube.
Anybody see the footage of Reverend Yearwood at the rally, when a conservative guy came up on the stage and started up about the war…the crowd booed and then said, Let him speak..afterwards, Yearwood came over to him on crutches and put his arm around the man, then the man put his arm around Yearwood…and Yearwood said, this is what democracy looks like…I’ll try to find it if you haven’t seen it.
Gromit @ 187
Liberal? He’s 95 percent Bush apologist and a warmonger. Schorr sounds like his lips and mouth are made of very soft overstretched rubber for those who are unfamiliar with his voice on the radio.
punaise @ 193
Michael Krasny (spelling?) from Forum (KQED) would make a great replacement for anyone
some more depressing news over at Democracy now
” French FM: World Needs To Prepare For War Against Iran
The French foreign minister has said the world needs to prepare for the possibility of war against Iran. In an interview Bernard Kouchner said: “We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war.” Kouchner said the stand-off over Iran’s nuclear program is “the greatest crisis” facing the world. On Sunday U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said all options are on the table when it comes to Iran.”
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..17/1411227
casual observer @ 202
25th Anniversary of the Wall the 11th.
Uh, Andrew Keen “Cult of the Amateur” is on PBS, saying MSM is more diverse than the internet, and better quality and that the internet is an echo chamber. He rates the newspapers pretty high and “quality.” Wait it’s: The Cult of the Amateur: How the Democratization of the Digital World is Assaulting Our Economy, Our Culture. . . & ?!?
LS, I haven’t seen that Yearwood video but what a great story.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 179
Ding, ding! I LOVE Ray Suarez, ever since he did Talk of the Nation on NPR. And Schorr had a great comment on All Things Considered today: he mentioned the bases being “built all over Iraq,” among other things, one of the few (only) MSM mentions I’ve heard.
john in sacramento @ 209
nahhh. he’s too smart… :~)
LS @ 207
I saw that. I think the folks on the stage ended up handling that perfectly. The crowd listened to the guy, booed him into submission, Yearwood picked him back up, and away they went.
I’ll bet you five dollars that by next year that conservative is a liberal.
Word is Barry Manilow won’t do The View if he has to share the stage with Bush-Bot Hasselbeck.
Good on ya Barry, good on ya.
-GSD
Fresh thread, up and ready for reading…
Christy is Upstairs
FYI, new post
casual observer @ 216
I saw the video at some site today, and now I can’t find it. It was poignant.
CTuttle @ 203
Well, Tet is the Lunar New Year and they did have “mini-Tet’s” after 68 but nothing to comapare to the 1st on.
reneND at 68 says-”Ashleigh Banfield, fired for being too honest about the war.”
i wasn’t going to jump into this thread, but i saw you comment-i LOVED her!!!!!!!!! haven’t had cable for years, but i remember when she started. she was great.
she got fired? when? where is she now? wow, what a human being.
and since i jumped in, i’ll add a fraidy katie comment-
katie couric-like biting on tinfoil and slamming your elbow on the table at the same time……..
Good News another investigation (can anyone keep up?)
Waxman investigating Blackwater
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004207.php
punaise @ 193
Jonathan @ 206
Hey, Beware, all Ye who enter! They add to the discourse, as long as they rely upon reason and truth, rather than smear and talking points!!! ;-)
What’s up with that pose…It looks like she had a sore butt
CNN seems to be holding back on the blackwater story. They interviewed someone (American) who witnessed part of the Blackwater incident or at least the aftermath, but it was a short excerpt sounding like this : dot, dot, dot, “it was a mess” , dot, dot, dot.
The NewsHour had on some weird dude Andrew Keen, a Silicon Valley type decrying bloggers whose most important duty apparently is to tell the world what they had for breakfast. Also did I mention that bloggers contribute to a fragmentation of daily life while the mass media create our American identity? And of course the corporate media are much more diverse than the blogosphere.
I believe in the free market of ideas.
GOP: we believe in the mark-up of free ideas.
hackworth @ 208
punaise @ 215
Sometimes I think he’s a mensans’ mensan – if there is such a thing ;-)
Hugh @ 229
Yes, saw it. Andrew Keen. The Cult of the Amateur: How the Democratization of the Digital World is Assaulting Our Economy, Our Culture. . . He thinks MSM is more diverse and newspapers are “quality,” and the internet is an echo chamber. If you Google him, you’ll find out he doesn’t like Amazon.com reviewers who give him one star either. ;-)
And meanwhile I saw a hack story on CNN about the Blackwater incident & come to expect hack stories from CNN. & Katie Couric has thin skin about being criticized for her hack stories, and Keen probably didn’t watch Moyers special on the selling of the Iraq War. And really Keen comes across as a salesman parading as a cultural studies type author.
Snud @ 164
I haven’t trusted a network news anchor since Cronkite. I believe he is pretty pissed about the situation.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 59
She’s the real deal, mostly muzzled by CNN. She did a sit down interview with Ayatollah Khomeini, in pants, no heardscarf. Polite, but didn’t pull her questions. Very, very brave lady.
Ann in AZ @ 25
We loved to make fun of “Baba Wawa,” but she kept her journalistic creds and has had a full and credible career.
I have seen lots of credible woman anchors, many of them brainy and smart, but management just seems to push them in any direction but serious journalism.
Currently, Christiane Amanpour, chief international correspondent for CNN, takes no crap from anyone, including CNN. She will not shill. If CBS wants some cred, they would do well to hire her away from CNN. Besides, she’s reached the age when dangerous assignments in the Middle East aren’t as much fun as they used to be. She could be CBS’s equivalent of Anderson Cooper.
Or take NPR’s Sylvia Poggioli, senior European correspondent for NPR’s foreign desk. She’s got serious journalism cred, too– but she’s not a media starlet like Couric.
There are so many “what ifs”. Jane Pauley *could* have done it, and I am not convinced that her turn from major success on the Today show, and heir apparent to Baba Wawa, to subsequent bombs, “Real life with Jane Pauley” and “The Jane Pauley Show”. She did co-host Dateline NBC from 1992-2003, which was trying to compete with “60 Minutes.” I did not realize until I read the Wiki article that she was beset by mental health problems, but I’ll bet those problems were not improved by dealing with NBC producers and management.
The position of newsanchor has become degraded– no thanks to CNN– so that the position is now known as “News reader” — the wiki list is helpful. The term no longer implies that the reader is actually a journalist. Some noteworthy potentials are evident on the list–
Connie Chung
Meredith Vierra
Diane Sawyer
A new star on the rise at CNN is Nicole Lapin who actually {gasp} has a degree in journalism.
And then there is the unfortunate example of CNN’s Kyra Phillips, who I thought had some potential, for a while, as both smart and savvy– but apparently not savvy enough to turn her mike off when she leaves the set. She does have training in journalism, and seems to have some upside potential.
The great thing is that women journalists are getting an opportunity to sit at the big desk. The bad thing is that news producers seem to think that their value is primarily to look perky and pretty, engage in banter with a male anchor, and read the news without stumbling. Which seems to be the role CNN has assigned to Erica Hill, even though she does have training in journalism.
Bob in HI
CBS is LYING, I got the same email in response to my criticism of that loser Couric…they are too much!
We’ve got them cornered and they’re striking out like a wounded animal.
If this same e-mail was sent to multiple people, or, even better, the same message individually typed, then it’s going to be very hard for them to deny.
The burden of proof is on THEM. If they really thought they had something to prove and the facts on their side, they’d have involved their corporate lawyers and have relevant records retained. And I’d bet a pinky finger they have done no such thing.
(And yeah, have to agree with GordonM@2335 Re: Amanpour).
Hi y”all,
Wow, what fun to poke a stick at a pompous publicist! Poor Katie, I like her but she’s out of her depth.
It seems like it’s not just the politicos that are threatened by a free press!
Ann in AZ @ 25
Robin Roberts. She did a fantastic job on some serious investigative pieces when she was at ESPN.
Ann in AZ @ 25:
On Saturdays & Sundays, when almost every major network’s “nightly news” has a substitute anchor on, every time I see a female, whether I recognize her name or not, I think, “this person would be better than Katie Couric.”
Each of these woman doesn’t let her “personality” get in the way of reading the news and projects an air of professionalism. Neither can be said for Ms. Katie.
Elliott @ 28
Or just bites it.
john in sacramento @ 129
That’s good stuff John, you and Mr. Spook write good imagery . . . hope to meet you someday, here, in the godforsakenvalleythattimeforgot.
Think I’ve seen your name with some local Sacto organizing efforts . . . shoot me an email if you want some help . . . I’ve been out to a few events in Sac, but, alas, they were either poorly attended or non-existent from what I could tell . . .
GSD @ 149
“Dan you insufferable bastard.” (or something like that, she had her retort!)
casual observer @ 152
How about we drop the pseudo-psycho intellectual modeling and call it for what it is:
Our lives and our nation is/are at stake.
And it’s now a war the feint of heart won’t fight till they are neutralized during the struggle by the bad guys.
No more femblog nice gals folks . . . Iran and nukes are ON the table, the dem’s are complicit, and it’s all at stake.
While I’m TERRFIED of the call for a general labor strike on Oct. 27 (it’s a plain invitation for BoyKing to call for martial law and begin the roundup), as Mr. Spoook has posited:
The pace has quickened, considerably. Much like the darning needles of the old ladies in the front row as the ox carts approached, the prisoners were marched up and then the guillotine’s dropped.
The pace has quickened. Considerably.
The blogs, one and all, need to catch up to this.
We are behind, once again, progressives one and all.
solai @ 155
Not unless he don’t make it back.
Jonathan @ 163
Hayall Jonathan, after Nixon, Reagan and Bush 1, I never thought THIS present shi* would happen in my life!! Have some hope!!!! ;-)
casual observer @ 170
I’m humbled by your simplicity, and insight.
Thanks for the whack up the side of the head.
We ARE the change, we ARE the meteor.
They are the dinosaurs.
With or without the centrist blogs, the Shilary Pundits . . . it’s pretty inevitable that one way or another the dinosaurs can’t possibly sustain things as they are.
Best case, we overwhelm them somehow to a place of better foreign policy thru peace.
Worst case, the dinosaurs blow the phuckin place all to hell and we all lose.
Ergo, NO time for centrist values and posits.
It’s us, or them.
Got life?
carolyn urban @ 180
Staged.
Jonathan @ 191
Yep. But it seems all forms of dissent are being more and more heavily squelched with heavier hands by the police, and PTB.
It’s part of This Quickening, I feel coming.
And a work stoppage, as of Oct. 27, is sure gonna push all agenda’s ahead at light speed.
I guess, there’s no point waiting around for another few years for the water to boil. It seems the frogs, and the hand on the heat under the pot, are BOTH determined to play this all out sooner than later . . .
I wonder what all these moderists and centrists are gonna think when Cheney hits the fan domestically.
Will they turn in their neighbors who are more progressive, to save their own souls?
Time will tell.
And yes, we DO live in interesting times.
Did we REALLY wish for this?
You can read about what Dan Schorr did to Leslie Stahl in Don Hewitt’s book about CBS News.
Kathleen @ 224
I LOVE this news, but I can’t help still being a bit underserved with the lack of prosecutions.
We need prosecutions! NOW!
And word is Leahy and Reid have backed off a LOT of potential items that might lead to prosecutions.
Same as the old boss . . . at this point, Waxman could almost seem to be vying for a higher calling, knowing full well the hearings won’t really lead to any prosecutions, much LESS convictions.
mui @ 233
Well, Instapundit has to be all kinds of torn about that. I mean, politically his side isn’t much of a loss to his team, but he wrote a whole book about how potent they are.
I wonder if Love Commando is the self-same Jennifer Farley…
http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/ANWBTNWFJC4FF