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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/16/big-hole-in-the-desert/#comment-973216</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-971503&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 103&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-971499&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cozumel @ 100&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Breaking CNN Headline News…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;O J arrested&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Coz. We need a break from the wrestling match.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unless he’s dyed his hair blonde I really don’t care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ya know, with the B-52 and 6 nukes aboard we’ve wondered if they were headed to the ME, but we don’t know specifically where or for what purpose?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if what the Israelis did was a practice run to get ready for an attack on Iran with some nukes we would provide.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, now that’s been derailed, so what happens next? It would seem things are on hold and as long as US nuke security is maintained and Adm. Fallon says “No”, then we might be safe from a WW V.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Geez, I can hardly write “WW” since I’m so used to writing “www.”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-971503"><em>newtonusr @ 103</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-971499"><em>Cozumel @ 100</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Breaking CNN Headline News…</p>
<p>O J arrested</p>
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<p>Thank you, Coz. We need a break from the wrestling match.</p>
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<p>Unless he’s dyed his hair blonde I really don’t care.</p>
<p>Ya know, with the B-52 and 6 nukes aboard we’ve wondered if they were headed to the ME, but we don’t know specifically where or for what purpose?</p>
<p>I wonder if what the Israelis did was a practice run to get ready for an attack on Iran with some nukes we would provide.</p>
<p>But, now that’s been derailed, so what happens next? It would seem things are on hold and as long as US nuke security is maintained and Adm. Fallon says “No”, then we might be safe from a WW V.</p>
<p>Geez, I can hardly write “WW” since I’m so used to writing “www.”.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/16/big-hole-in-the-desert/#comment-973179</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-971405&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And Mr. Lieberman has been quiet too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He might’ve only signed on originally for the Iraq war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If so then his back-stabbing is yet to arrive. But, Bushies do not fail to stab when the time is right. Just ask KKKarl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-971405"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And Mr. Lieberman has been quiet too.</p>
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<p>He might’ve only signed on originally for the Iraq war.</p>
<p>If so then his back-stabbing is yet to arrive. But, Bushies do not fail to stab when the time is right. Just ask KKKarl.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailmaker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/16/big-hole-in-the-desert/#comment-972565</link>
		<dc:creator>Sailmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;itwasntme	 at 55  says:&lt;br /&gt;
September 16th, 2007 at 10:51 am&lt;br /&gt;
Global wind patterns: how would you do, Saudi Arabia, if a nuclear bomb went off in Israel?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://oceansjsu.com/105d/expe…..on/11.html&quot;&gt;http://oceansjsu.com/105d/expe…..on/11.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Nice link.  That is the prevailing wind pattern for the summer in the northern hemisphere.  In the winter wind patterns generally reverse so that the west coast gets storms usually from the south etc.  Over land masses weather is modulated by mountains and the proximity of water and other factors. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Historically one can see the  wind in the change of seasons as it influenced trading in the Indian Ocean where one sailed out of port 6 months of the year, and back towards home the other six months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The people I know who sail the Persian Gulf as ship captains say that for a large part of the year the wind blows down the rift mountains in Iraq that made the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, at a cross angle to the Straits of Hormuz.  Meaning - away from Israel towards Syria and Iraq.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My guess (and only a guess) is that Israel would use conventional big hole in the desert type of weapons, where Cheney would be very tempted to show off what bad boys we are by using ‘limited tactical nukes’:  his rational might be that he would be immitating FDR and paving the way for 50 more years of American enforced peace. Of course the  rational is the same that brought us ‘the people of Iraq will greet us with flowers’, and miscalculates how many others have nukes now.  I’ll stop guessing now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>itwasntme	 at 55  says:<br />
September 16th, 2007 at 10:51 am<br />
Global wind patterns: how would you do, Saudi Arabia, if a nuclear bomb went off in Israel?</p>
<p><a href="http://oceansjsu.com/105d/expe…..on/11.html">http://oceansjsu.com/105d/expe…..on/11.html</a></p>
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<p>Nice link.  That is the prevailing wind pattern for the summer in the northern hemisphere.  In the winter wind patterns generally reverse so that the west coast gets storms usually from the south etc.  Over land masses weather is modulated by mountains and the proximity of water and other factors. </p>
<p>Historically one can see the  wind in the change of seasons as it influenced trading in the Indian Ocean where one sailed out of port 6 months of the year, and back towards home the other six months.</p>
<p>The people I know who sail the Persian Gulf as ship captains say that for a large part of the year the wind blows down the rift mountains in Iraq that made the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, at a cross angle to the Straits of Hormuz.  Meaning &#8211; away from Israel towards Syria and Iraq.  </p>
<p>My guess (and only a guess) is that Israel would use conventional big hole in the desert type of weapons, where Cheney would be very tempted to show off what bad boys we are by using ‘limited tactical nukes’:  his rational might be that he would be immitating FDR and paving the way for 50 more years of American enforced peace. Of course the  rational is the same that brought us ‘the people of Iraq will greet us with flowers’, and miscalculates how many others have nukes now.  I’ll stop guessing now.</p>
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		<title>By: djysrv</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/16/big-hole-in-the-desert/#comment-972562</link>
		<dc:creator>djysrv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Murky issue lurks in Syria&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://djysrv.blogspot.com/2007/09/murky-nuclear-issue-lurks-in-syria-part_16.html&quot;&gt;http://djysrv.blogspot.com/200.....rt_16.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too much disinformation&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murky issue lurks in Syria<br />
<a href="http://djysrv.blogspot.com/2007/09/murky-nuclear-issue-lurks-in-syria-part_16.html">http://djysrv.blogspot.com/200&#8230;..rt_16.html</a></p>
<p>Too much disinformation</p>
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		<title>By: Neville Haze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neville Haze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh- that explains a lot. I mean, why would we take out Iran and leave Syria?&lt;br /&gt;
 And, what the hell, let’s fuck with Mexico, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh- that explains a lot. I mean, why would we take out Iran and leave Syria?<br />
 And, what the hell, let’s fuck with Mexico, too.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/16/big-hole-in-the-desert/#comment-972247</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it’s the old principle of moral reciprocity that apologists for state terror would like to revoke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a bedrock principle of most of the worlds religions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;instead, they would substitute some variation of “the strong do what they want.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it’s the old principle of moral reciprocity that apologists for state terror would like to revoke.</p>
<p>a bedrock principle of most of the worlds religions.</p>
<p>instead, they would substitute some variation of “the strong do what they want.”</p>
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		<title>By: DrenchedOtter</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrenchedOtter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It sounds to me like another case where Israel doesn’t have to play by the rules that everyone else does.  Just imagine if the situation were reversed and Syria had bombed some secret military facility inside Israel.  Methinks the USA wouldn’t  be so silent then.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like another case where Israel doesn’t have to play by the rules that everyone else does.  Just imagine if the situation were reversed and Syria had bombed some secret military facility inside Israel.  Methinks the USA wouldn’t  be so silent then.</p>
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		<title>By: Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/16/big-hole-in-the-desert/#comment-971902</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BigMitch @ 173&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An “occupation” refers to a situation like the one we have in Iraq. Land is concquered from an existing country which claims a right to re-establish governmental duties in the territory. Gaza was concquered from Egypt which relinquished claim to the territory. The West Bank was concquered from Jordon which relinquished claim to it. Both countries have peace treaties with Israel. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shorter version: Just because Hush says “occupied” doesn’t make it so. (If that is the level of debate you prefer, Hugh.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I completely agree with this. oh and Ariel Sharon is a man of peace too. And Palestinians like walls! It’s a fact!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigMitch @ 173</p>
<p>An “occupation” refers to a situation like the one we have in Iraq. Land is concquered from an existing country which claims a right to re-establish governmental duties in the territory. Gaza was concquered from Egypt which relinquished claim to the territory. The West Bank was concquered from Jordon which relinquished claim to it. Both countries have peace treaties with Israel. </p>
<p>Shorter version: Just because Hush says “occupied” doesn’t make it so. (If that is the level of debate you prefer, Hugh.)</p>
<p>I completely agree with this. oh and Ariel Sharon is a man of peace too. And Palestinians like walls! It’s a fact!</p>
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		<title>By: Arnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BigMitch, TexBetsy please go to your local libraries and obtain copies of:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Beyond Chutzpah by Norman G. Finkelstein (ISBN 0-520-24598-9)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Great War for Civilization, The Conquest of the Middle East by Robert Fisk (ISBN 1-84115-007-X)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If your atrguements can stand up to the facts presented within these two books, then those facts will withstand anything presented here. Otherwise, all you are doing is propaganda put out by an agenda detrimental to the actual wellbeing and interests of two countries - your choice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigMitch, TexBetsy please go to your local libraries and obtain copies of:</p>
<p>Beyond Chutzpah by Norman G. Finkelstein (ISBN 0-520-24598-9)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>The Great War for Civilization, The Conquest of the Middle East by Robert Fisk (ISBN 1-84115-007-X)</p>
<p>If your atrguements can stand up to the facts presented within these two books, then those facts will withstand anything presented here. Otherwise, all you are doing is propaganda put out by an agenda detrimental to the actual wellbeing and interests of two countries &#8211; your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Kathleen, Hugh, Sporkovac, Selise, for a find demonstration of the use of fact and knowledge wrt the most pressing problem facing the world brought on by myth, belief, deception, ignorance, misinformation, propaganda, and downright lies. You all do good work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kathleen, Hugh, Sporkovac, Selise, for a find demonstration of the use of fact and knowledge wrt the most pressing problem facing the world brought on by myth, belief, deception, ignorance, misinformation, propaganda, and downright lies. You all do good work.</p>
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