Third in an interminable series. It is Saturday night in September. The first true wind of Autumn rattles the window; the geese honk mournfully as they beat their doleful wings southwards towards kinder, mellower climes. The crows gather, black as midnight, calling out harsh and coarse. They flap their ebon wings over lonely fields, stubbly fields denuded after the merciless harvest. The leaves of the trees burst briefly forth into lively color, only to brown and shatter, febrile and dry, dead before the bitter winds gusting out from the lifeless, icy North.
Right. And if all that weather-related crap ain’t depressing enough, David Broder still has a job that involves him telling you his idiotic opinions about things, and there is no way you can ever shut him up. He could die and he’d keep writing his goddamn column. There is indeed every reason to believe that this has already happened. It’s like that history teacher ghost dude from the Harry Potter books, only dumber and realer. Phooey. And so the geese honk sorrowfully, and then poop all over the place, their dung emerald and curlicued, like a malefic green Cheese-Doodle smooshed ‘neath your shoe, or a David Broder column a-slurp in your brain. I say: phooey. I say… phooey.
Enough. Now to the Rules. We are seeking to crown the most ludicrous examples of wingnut gibberish from the previous week. These rules are inviolate yet non-binding. What is essential is that the material in question exhibits “the same quality of ebullient, vaguely hateful, yet strangely entertaining nonsense that characterizes the dialogue in a Patrick Swayze movie of the caliber of Road House or Red Dawn.”
The first entry is less my personal submission than one made on behalf of my good friends at Lawyers, Guns, and Money. That would be this:
BOSTON (AP) — In a game that mirrored the season, the New York Yankees bounced back.
Alex Rodriguez capped a six-run eighth inning with a tiebreaking single off Jonathan Papelbon, and the Yankees overcame a five-run deficit to beat the Boston Red Sox 8-7 Friday night.
Jason Giambi and Robinson Cano started the comeback with home runs off Hideki Okajima, Derek Jeter hit an RBI single against Papelbon and Bobby Abreu tied it with a two-run double.
(Full Disclosure: I’m a Mets fan by birth and tribal allegiance.)
Second is the prefab wingnut OUTRAGE! over the MoveOn Petraeus/Betray-Us ad. There’s really not much more to say about this than has already been said, firmly but politely by Glenn Greenwald here, and equally firmly but with many, many more f-bombs by some clown here. (Again full disclosure: that last is a link to my personal site, and wow! was I feeling like swearing that day. Anyhow, the Mets fan-by-birth thing is to do with my growing up in Queens, NYC, where, um, people on occasion use naughty language. No, really, it’s true.)
Third, we have this, which I first discovered here (you may have seen it). Anyway, this class of “thinking” makes me supremely grouchy. It’s worth another look, because it is just so astounding:
But the Democratic Party is also vulnerable on Iraq, where the lead over the Republicans dropped 10 percent in August to a narrow four percent margin. Rather than harp on the withdrawal, the Democrats should continue to strike a bipartisan tone and refocus the debate to other international and domestic issues. This will help them carry the day in November 2008.
As Jane rightly pointed out, you would need to lack both a brain and a conscience to say something like this.
It’s a simple thing. This war is deeply unpopular because most Americans don’t think all the death has been worth it. That’s the end of it. Nothing has been achieved in Iraq except death, and everyone knows it. Even the administration’s own propaganda concedes this elementary point: we need to stay in the country we invaded in order to defeat the terror group who wasn’t in the country we invaded before we invaded it? That’s crazy.
This war will become glorious and popular again at exactly the same moment when all the corpses arise from their graves. And not a moment before.
You know, before this administration, I wasn’t especially political. And to tell the truth, I’d love to get back to a state of affairs where “politics” meant incomprehensible arguments over recalculating the capital gains tax and crap like that. I really do have other things to do — books to read, sports to follow, kids to raise, all that stuff that’s to do with… life….
Oh well, what the hell. So much for that hooey. A terrible ugliness is born. You know what I mean?
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Zed
Zed!
yay, wingnuts!
Gulp!
THERS!!
Zed
ccmask @ 1
Congrats…!!!
Hi Thers
Cheesecake For All!
I liked Guliani going ballistic over the MoveOn ad.
OH thank heavens! Reading the first graph I thought you had bought yourself a keyboard that types purple prose (hard to make the cliche work when no one uses pens any more!). Glad to see you were putting us on. I vote for door #3, please.
I vote #1. Those innings hijacked last nights threads
Hi Thers, good to see ya again.
The latest reheating of “bipartisan = bringing a Nerf gun to the OK Corral” takes my vote.
Laura, TRex might be the only pen aficionado left! ;-)
cleter @ 10
Then you must love McCain going even more Batshit crazy than usual … *g*
Thank you for the cheesecake, Demi. All that nummy fruit and CRUSTLESS. How’d you know?
My personal favorite this week is McCain’s suggestion that MoveOn should be thrown out of the country. An organization of what, several million? Poor John-I almost feel sorry for him, but then I get over it.
Gee Thers, you weren’t kidding when you said you felt like swearing that day! Must have been satisfying
laughing
good evening, FirePups. Right-wing nuttery. Jeebus. Where is there a nutcracker big enough to thoroughly crack these nuts?
But Thers, the Red Sox smashed the Yankees today 10-1.
Full disclosure: I HATE THE YANKEES!
(I am a Red Sox fan by accident of birth and upbringing. What can I say?)
Thers, the final in Fenway was 10-1 Bosox, today! Tomorrow, the Rocket vs. Curt ‘Bloody Sock’ Schilling…!!! *g* Go, Mets…!!!
Yeah, but it was okay for Republicans to wear purple heart band-aids at their convention.
Florida beat the crap out of Tennessee.
Without a doubt, Boehner says Iraq is a small sacrifice.
LoudounLib @ 15
I still have the Cross pen with which I wrote my master’s thesis. Don’t use it, but I have it. And you’ll find me standing in the pen aisles at a good stationery store with a dreamy look in my eye. I miss those days when the middle of my desk had room for papers on it.
madmommy @ 17
forgive for forgetting who said it, but someone at fdl said McCain should go find himself a dictatorship to live in if that’s what he wanted, leave us to our freedom (not a direct quote:)
cleter @ 23
Utah over UCLA???
“Wingnut gibberish?”
Isn’t that a bit duplicatively redundant?
This one’s a no-brainer: gotta be the faux outrage where MoveOn told the truth about Petraeus. Gosh, they just hate it when we finally take a page out of their playbook.
Elliott @ 26
that was me.
CT – great minds and all that. Poor Big Mitch. I wonder if he is off sulking somewhere. ;-)
SusanD @ 22
that’s right! I’d forgotten about those.
cleter @ 10
Shows he’s scardy!
Peterr @ 28
No. All wingnuts spout gibberish, true, but not all gibberish is spouted by wingnuts.
cleter @ 30
And a fine comment it was.
Gnome de Plume @ 32
I know, no hide nor hair…??? ;-)
cleter @ 30
I’m glad you’re here, sorry I couldn’t remember.
I agree — it’s got to be the MoveOn tempest in a teapot.
LoudounLib @ 38
or the tempest moves on in the teapot.
dakine01 @ 25
madmommy @ 18
So MANY choices! An embarrassment of bitches.
EvilDrPuma @ 34
True. But if it is spouted by a wingnut, it surely is gibberish.
LoudounLib @ 38
Which should have boiled over and scalded the Goopers!!!
Like I Said Before, Check Out SourceWatch On These Guys!
It’s really all you need to know.
SourceWatch says:
“Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support.”
Well, of course, they’d never dream of doing that here, right?
There’s more, but that’s why God invented links!
“You know, before this administration, I wasn’t especially political. And to tell the truth, I’d love to get back to a state of affairs where “politics” meant incomprehensible arguments over recalculating the capital gains tax and crap like that. I really do have other things to do — books to read, sports to follow, kids to raise, all that stuff that’s to do with… life…”
Oh, this is so well said, and that was me, too, in 1999. Thanks, Thers.
Chris
It’s a really good time to contribute to MoveOn. I’d love to see them make fund raising history right about now!!
Elliott @ 32
Just another IOKIYAAR moment in a long, sickening line.
Thers,
Oh, God YES I know what you mean about wanting to someday put poltics on the back-burner. These Republicans are like malevolent space aliens in a bad sci-fi movie. Will we ever be rid of them, or at least reduce them to a harmless side show? I ask myself over and over again, just what in the hell is wrong with these people? I think of what our country could be without their idiocy and I sink into dispair.
So everyone is picking on my fine Arizona Senator…..
BAWAAAAA the senile Senator from Arizona. For years I thought Kyl was the scary one but everyday McCain shows the world that the AZ Repugs and the so called “McCain Democrats” are really stupid for keeping him in office.
Technicolouryawn @ 47
Haven’t you heard about “It Came From Planet Bush“?
katymine @ 48
Didn’t I read that you guys were working on a recall of McCain ?
Peterr @ 49
{{{Froomkin}}}
madmommy @ 17
Maybe he never heard of the constitution or the bill of rights.
katymine @ 48
Don’t feel so bad, nearly every state’s got at least one!
LoudounLib @ 14
Not true!
Petrocelli @ 50
On grounds of “he’s just plain nucking futs?”
burnspbesq @ 54
Okay, you too ;-)
SnarKassandra @ 52
Frankly, I think McCain is losing touch with reality. Maybe it’s some kind of pre-senile dementia, maybe it’s an actual mental illness, but McCain is not all right in the head.
I’ve got a quarter
Low Spark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlbgqmxXNY
CTuttle @ 7
Thanks. I just came back and was starting to whine to myself that nobody congratulated me on the zed.
SnarKassandra @ 52
Along with the rest of his wingnut compadres.
Just imgine if the insanity of the last 7 years had been perpetrated by a democrat. The screeching would have deafened us all ages ago. These people are supposed to be so smart (feh) they fail to realize that if a dem is elected president they will have the same powers that Bush has. That is, if the shrubbery doesn’t pull something between now and next November to render what’s left of the Constitution null and void.
Gnome de Plume @ 20
Does baseball season end soon? she asks piteously.
EvilDrPuma @ 57
Methinks he’s aping Bush to get into the White House …
That first paragraph was beautifully descriptive and evocative writing. Sorta like this from the Rude Pundit:
Last night, when President Bush spoke, he had the sad demeanor of the failing carpet muncher
(link goes to extremely adult humour)
Fern, sorry to say we’ve got almost the whole of October filled up with the playoffs and the World Series ;-)
Petrocelli @ 62
Considering Bush’s approvals, that might just be a symptom of creeping insanity in its own right.
LoudounLib @ 64
Oh. Goes to show how much attention I normally pay to these things.
Fern @ 61
yeah, but it’s already football and then basketball comes next.
Fern @ 61
The season is nearly over, but then there’s the wild card, the divisional and league championships and the World Series. Probably not till the end of October, but maybe to the first week of November.
ccmask @ 59
((((( ccmask )))))
CC
A big Woo Hoo for your zed.
(but, sorry, no bisquits.)
bonkers @ 63
Thanks Bonkers … loudest laugh of the night …
Fern @ 61
Football is just starting to ramp up…!!! ;-)
Elliott — great tune!
Petrocelli @ 69
You didn’t hug me when I was whining! :( :( pout pout
SnarKassandra @ 67
I notice that curling does not feature prominently in this schedule.
EvilDrPuma @ 65
I would concur … Rove probably promised to help him win … and McCain actually believed Rove …
SnarKassandra @ 74
Dang, Petro, ya certainly have yer way with the Femmes…!!! 8-)
Petrocelli @ 76
maybe that is it. McCain sure sold his soul to the devil.
Fern @ 75
An interesting sport. I don’t understand it, but watch it every Olympics. Not much ice rink space here in south Louisiana.
Elliott @ 58
a good night for oldies, here’s another. Blind Faith’s sea of joy
SnarKassandra @ 67
*cough* … and the only season that matters … Hockey !!!
Good evening dear friends. Are there enough varieties of pie here for everyone?
whoa, ndfg — haven’t heard that one in ages. Excellent!
TexBetsy @ 82
Dibs on the cherry, any ice cream for on top?
TexBetsy @ 82
pie! oh, TexB, you’re the greatest.
LoudounLib @ 83
must agree with LL
TexBetsy @ 82
Mmmmm, cherry pie. Can’t go wrong with the classics.
madmommy @ 79
Or, here in Hawaii! Hey, Kristi Yamaguchi did buckle her first pair of skates here…!!!
Thanks Betsy! I’ll take the pecan.
SnarKassandra @ 74
Mmm Hmmm … yes I did, downstairs @ 142 …
Paul Rosenberg at 43… This is why we need to change our election mechanisms in America. We should all be exiting the polls at the same time so that those of us on Pacific time are not hearing exit poll results from the east coast. There are people who just want to be on the winning team.
don’t know which group is more delusional: those who continue to believe that we can achieve something constructive in Iraq … or the 80,000 Nebraska fans still hoping for a comeback.
Fight on!
Fern @ 75
With global warming and all, the curling season keeps getting shorter.
Of course, that means that it’s only a matter of time until Indoor Curling becomes a hit. My little one loved watching curling during the last Olympics, then asked “daddy, why don’t we play curling?” In the SF Bay Area.
Fortunately for me, we had a long hardwood floor in the hallway. I got out some masking tape, laid out a button to shoot for, and pulled out two different sets of tennis balls.
Rolling a tennis ball down a hardwood floor, laid thirty-plus years ago (and thus not necessarily level any more), is no easy thing.
Petrocelli @ 71
His Holy Rudeness has an uncanny ability to break it all down in easy to understand language, that is of course, if you’re a heterosexual man or lesbian.
madmommy @ 84
of course
TexBetsy @ 82
Wow. May I have 22/7 s? (that doesn’t look right).
May I have twenty-two sevenths?
CTuttle @ 88
I Googled the haka, very interesting. I didn’t know the Warriors got penalized last week for doing it before the game. The NCAA is such a bunch of weenies.
Loo Hoo. @ 91
absolutely!
Elliott @ 78
Did you hear him on TDS, throwing barbs at Jon Stewart ?
Laura Doty @ 96
ha ha ha. math joke.
My favorite Blind Faith:
Can’t Find My Way Home
Loo Hoo. @ 91
Remember when Carter conceded before the polls closed in CA? Messed up local elections big time, as late-in-the- day Dem. voters didn’t bother to go.
I haven’t read very far in this post, but I know Thers has first-hand experience with Canada geese poop. Superbly described, sir.
Back to read the rest, now.
I think my favorite story of the week was Tony Snow leaving. Maybe now he can get back to writing great articles about how us liberals suck to add to his archives.
Like this, from April 21, 2006
Sages from afar have ascertained that I’m a Brahmin, a trilateralist, a BushBot, a puppet, a force of evil in the modern world, a White House mouthpiece-toady-stenographer merely seeking a change of station (and major cut in pay) and a toothy, well-coifed mediocrity.
One marvels at the vivacity of strangers’ opinions, and the dazzling variety of their venom. Where do such passions come from? Why do people feel not merely free, but compelled to express themselves so?
This didn’t use to happen to people merely mentioned for government positions. Once upon a time, speculation about staff positions was unthinkable — at best, such musing would elicit a yawn.
Independent players, such as Andrew Sullivan and Michelle Malkin, command impressive audiences — and all have played a role in mobilizing opinion about everything from Dan Rather’s reporting on the president’s National Guard duty to the conduct of the war in Iraq.
Unfortunately, the developers of the Age of Instancy have neglected to create a pause button. As a result, people now publish musings that in previous generations they merely would have tucked into a desk drawer, or left un-mailed in a sealed envelope.
Petrocelli @ 99
no, missed that, was he whacky?
Peterr @ 93
But did someone slide down the hall in sockfeet, backwards, with a broom?
TexBetsy @ 82
Evenin’ Betsy … mmmmm … Lemon Meringue … almost makes up for the absence of Blueberry Cheesecake … *g*
SnarKassandra @ 74
I just got here. When were you whining? I have a nice soft brie to go with it for you.
madmommy @ 60
I don’t think Bush wants a revolution! Wouldn’t be a pretty thing for his types!
TexBetsy @ 95
Thanks TexB! Since it’s almost 11 here, I might just as well apply it directly to my backside. Thanks goodness it virtual!
Hey all — I’m actually in DC for the pax march, where we met the fabulous watertiger, among others. Hence the posting from the shotgun.
Weird, weird day. You think wingnuts are nuts online, get a load of them live & in person someday…
More on this to come, I’m sure, but sleep awaits, amigos…
Anyone who would found a company with Mark Penn is, by definition, lacking both a brain and a conscience.
madmommy @ 97
Cost them 15 yds, and the Bulldogs marched down the field!
Heh, and it’s a true Hawaiian Warrior tradition… Hmmm…!!!
Pop Quiz (and no scrolling up to look)
What are the three craps this week?
madmommy @ 106
Sadly, no.
This was individual Indoor Curling, not Team curling.
But the mental image of my little boy trying to do that is priceless!
Suzanne @ 114
Crap 1- Lieberman
Crap 2- Lieberman
Crap 3- Lieberman
Thers @ 111
Good night. Thank you for the post. Thank you for fighting the good fight.
What do I win Suzanne?
Thers @ 111
Keep up the good fight, Thers!!! *g*
Thers @ 111
sleep well, Thers – you’ve earned it :)
Suzanne @ 114
Suz — Red Sox/Yankees game from last night. The MoveOn thing. And, um…
Thers @ 111
Thank you!
g’night sleep well.
LoudounLib @ 101
I kiss your face on each cheek, just like the French. This is MY FAVORITE song. Yes, I’m old… can’t find my way home.
ccmask @ 108
I was whining cause no one was clicking to see the blog posts or political cartoons I posted.
OT – Anyone remember the Olbermann Special Comment with the ‘Twilight Zone’ thing in it?
Which one was it?
Thanks in advance! ; )
Thers @ 111
Been there, done that . . . and have Fred Phelps’ fatwa on me in my files to remind me of it.
Blessed sleep, Thers!
Suzanne @ 114
1. Some sports stuff that I ignored in keeping with my nature;
2. The MoveOn/Betrayus whinefest;
3. The bipartisan self-neutering as path to victory nonsense.
LoudounLib @ 101
another good ‘un! Almost selected this instead of sea of joy, oh the choices!
Good night Thers, welcome to DC and I hope you had a good day at the pax march!
Elliott @ 105
He threw a barb at Jon, saying that anyone who believed what they hear on TDS is delusional … or some such thing … Jon politely declined to fire back.
You know what I mean?
I know what you mean
Christine Edmonson @ 123
I’m right there with ya Chris ;-)
LoudounLib @ 121
…Dems should play nice and not talk about the war or they’ll hurt their littles.
dakine01 @ 24
With an honorable mention for the wall-to-wall, 24/7, Breaking News coverage given Boehner’s misspeak by TradMed. And the analysis accorded it on tomorrow’s chatfests by Very. Serious. People….
/s
Peterr @ 115
See, that shows how much I know about curling. I had no idea there was anything other than team. Seems like individual would basically be shuffleboard on ice.
Broder’s columns will always appear, forever, and ever and ever and ever.
Like the almanac makers. Jonathan Swift explained how this works for almanac makers, and I think it applies to US national affairs pundits as well:
“…Gadbury, Poor Robin, Dove, Wing, and several others, do yearly publish their almanacks, though several of them have been dead since before the Revolution. Now the natural reason of this I take to be, that whereas it is the privilege of other authors to live after their deaths; almanack-makers are alone excluded, because their dissertations treating only upon the minutes as they pass, become useless as those go off. In consideration of which, Time, whose registers they are, gives them a lease in reversion, to continue their works after their death. “
EvilDrPuma @ 127
yep. i am cheating from his paper. but the sport was baseball
Speaking of everyone’s favorite senile codger, here is a flavor taste of Sunday’s Broder Brilliance just posted at WaPo:
Well. Fuhgetaboutit fellow progressives, because we are not worth squat. Dean Broder has decreed Lindsay Graham as the reasonable, realistic man for our times.
Laura Doty @ 133
Thank you Laura! ;-)
ccmask @ 118
An all-expense-paid duck hunting trip with Cheney and Scalia.
Second prize is a trip to Jimmy Choo with Condi.
SnarKassandra @ 124
You need to give a spew warning, especially for that second one.
How was your nap, TB?
Cozumel @ 125
Here
SnarKassandra @ 124
I just did. I meant to earlier but got sidetracked.
SnarKassandra @ 124
Well, when you put it that way. I just hadn’t read most of the last thread.
The “comeback performance” cartoon should come with a coupon for brain bleach.
ccmask @ 118
Dinner with Lieberman ! *g*
burnspbesq @ 140
Dang, glad I didn’t enter…!!! ;-)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 129
I saw Eric Clapton perform “Can’t Find My Way Home” and his bass player. Nathan East sang lead extremely well. About an hour later, Stevie Ray Vaughn died. Sad night.
Nap was quite helpful and refreshing, and the leg is somewhat better.
My chiro has been on vacation and I will be SO GLAD to see him on Monday.
LoudounLib @ 139
I got your back, pal.
katymine @ 48
How’s that immigration-inspired recall going, anyway? And can you explain how Arizona can recall US Senators? And HI!
madmommy @ 135
Don’t feel too bad. I didn’t know there was individual curling until my then-four year old explained it to me.
burnspbesq @ 140
And here I am with an arrow in my back. Please Mr. Cheney…I don’t wanna go.
bmaz @ 138
that should have come with a spew alert.
Peterr @ 141
I liked the first one myself.
ccmask @ 143
Awesome, thanks!
Thers @ 111
thank you for being there, & i for one am looking forward to your insights on the wingnuts up close ‘n personal. argh. i think i need to find some brain bleach … but we have to take a fearless look. Kinda like a first aid/trauma situation.
bmaz, thanks for the heads-up on Broder. I’ll definitely skip over that one in tomorrow’s dead tree edition.
“Lindsey Graham’s Realism”?! wtf?
Peterr @ 152
omg, that must’ve been the cutest conversation!
Suzanne @ 114
Bush blaming the troops for no success in Iraq covers the whole field. The fact that he would not say “Return upon Success” is the biggest MoFo to American troops ever. These people have worked their asses off, and Bush reprimands them for not doing the job. What a stupid man.
OK. I installed a spew alert.
Greenspan
Operation
Iraqi
Liberation
was about oil…..
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2980#comments
Peterr @ 152
Well, there you go. All the mysteries of the universe can be explained by a four year old, if only we would listen.
LoudounLib @ 158
Reading Broder is dangerous to your health. Major intellectual wattage drain.
Loo Hoo. @ 91
There should be a 24-hour Election Day, with a simultaneous voting window across the land — and it should be a paid day off.
True, that, cc — thank heavens the WaPo also prints Eugene Robinson.
Love. him.
TeddySanFran @ 164
I actually like the weekend idea. 48 hrs. Includes (and hence excludes) people’s assorted sabbaths. More people can be off from work.
According to a diary at Kos, Lieberman got the last laugh on Ned. For now, anyuway. He is a Dem now.
madmommy @ 163
I wasn’t convinced I knew everything until I was 6 and could read.
ccmask @ 163
Was it TRex the other night who said every time Bush speaks he can feel the entire universe get dumber just from the exposure?
Elliott @ 159
The conversation was one thing, and the actual demonstration was something else. He actually pulled out a dust broom, and wanted to both roll the ball and then sweep the floor in front of it. It was truly amazing to behold.
Mrs. Peterr came home five hours later, and I was still rolling on the floor with laughter.
Having moved away from the curling mecca that is the SF Bay Area, The Kid was disappointed to learn that our new place in KC had wall to wall carpet. “But where will we do tennis ball curling?!?”
ccmask @ 153
Ok, you can trade in the hunting trip for two tickets to the Notre Dame – Duke football game. Duke may be favored — at least they have a win this year.
SnarKassandra @ 161
Freckles.
Christine Edmonson @ 123
Love that song too. Now I’m going back further to Peter, Paul and Mary.
ccmask @ 167
Good old Joe…to me, he’ll always be a motherfucker.
bonkers @ 148
Ouch. Sad sad day.
Peterr @ 170
Precious! Gotta teach him to tie dust-mops to his feet and skate the kitchen floor clean.
EvilDrPuma @ 175
TexBetsy @ 166
Absentee ballots are great. I haven’t stood in line at the polls in years. People have time to really think about the people running and of course in California we always have a gazillion ballot measures so the time is needed.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 175
I’ve related this here before, but I’ll say it again — I only saw SRV once, the year before he died. Magical, magical night.
Talcott @ 162
Karl Rove is firing up the Greyhound bus for old irrational exuberation Greenspan as we read.
Sayeth TurdblossoM: Alan Greenspan was a drunk, a pill fiend, a Commie, homo, pederast, junkie, a toe tapper, a cross dresser, nd Andrea Mitchell fucker, a Clinton lackey, radical, liberal, vegetable…..
-GSD
Peterr @ 170
lofl!
I just adore kids that age!
ccmask @ 172
That’s her name in the radio network chat room. And her online name before SnarKassandra.
TeddySanFran @ 151
Arizona law as part of the submission of their signature petitions to be on the ballot, candidates sign to agree to recognize a recall results for federal candidates AND McCain & Kyl both signed to agree when they filed their signature petitions to be put on the ballot.
The Recall was going hot and heavy when McCain was doing well in the polls, even the Repugs joined us but now that it looks like toast. Summer is a really hard time to do any campaign work here.
Anybody hear anything more on the B-52 story?
ccmask @ 164
Here’s a major Broderella blackout from 2003:
“I like Karl Rove. In the days when he was operating from Austin, we had many long and rewarding conversations. I have eaten quail at his table and admired the splendid Hill Country landscape from the porch of the historic cabin Karl and his wife Darby found miles away and had carted to its present site on their land.”
Answers alot of questions, no?
Loo Hoo, there’s a special place in my heart for that PPM song. I can remember my mom singing it when I was little.
Gettin’ late here, and tomorrow’s a work day. G’nite all!
Peterr @ 171
Those are the moments to remember when they ask to borrow the car. Thankfully I am still some years away from this particular nightmare, but it is comming towards me at astounding speed!
Good night Peterr
TexBetsy @ 183
I figured it was. She just added a spew alert so she doesn’t get sued.
bmaz @ 138
Someone needs to Ask Lindsey Graham — or Tell on him. I’m over that evil queen enabling this warmongering maladministration and the gayhate success it rode in on.
g’night Peterr
I caught this before at Fox News, whining because everyone was making fun of Bush:
On one night recently, late-night hosts opted for jokes at Bush’s expense rather than any of the 450-plus congressmen and senators and their rivals up for election less than two months from now.
Sleep well, Reverend.
Someone needs to Ask Lindsey Graham — or Tell on him. I’m over that evil queen enabling this warmongering maladministration and the gayhate success it rode in on.
Does DoD have an 800 tip line we can call? IIRC, Graham is a reservist who also violates (in addition to DADT) the holding a seat in congress while serving in the military rule.
Goodnight Rev!
In Broderland centrism is a virtue that is always exemplified by supposedly centrist Republicans.
-GSD
ccmask @ 193
::boggles::
Burns – you still here? Got a couple of links you might be interested in…
Peterr @ 188
Nite, Peterr!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 199
Well, geez, with Bush the jokes just write themselves. Like manna from heaven, they just have to wait for the daily news and bam! the monologue is done.
LoudounLib @ 180
ditto, can’t recall exact date, but in my top five concerts of all times.
Please no more sports
I hear sports day and night… my boyfriend works for ESPN on Monday Night Football and the NBA seasons…..
Matt Drudge is shocked, shocked I say that Alan Greenspan stated the Iraq war was for oil.
I always thought it was for vinegar.
-GSD
Suzanne @ 195
HI Suz! Are you back at the little cabin by the creek and relieved of parental obligations? How are you? Did everyone part good friends?
LoudounLib @ 180
It’s great you got to see him then. The night he died was the first time I had seen him, and was the first major concert experience I ever had. A really surreal 24 hours for a teenager…
if wangdangdoodle were here, I’d pony up a quarter for the jukebox and play some honky tonk music. Oh hell, I’ll do it anyway.
Walkin’ The Floor Over You
TeddySanFran @ 165
We have a news blackout on election results, including exit polling, until the polls close in British Columbia. Works fine. Elections Canada gets very testy about leaks – like happened over the internet one year.
Oh, and curling is and indoor team sport (indoor rinks) and yes it really is like shiffleboard on ice. When we were kids though, we played outside with jam pails filled with concrete for rocks. It instilled a lifelong aversion to curling.
madmommy @ 201
There’s that, but tell me: which senators and congresspeople are up for re-election this year?
bonkers @ 207
What a memory for you! Wow… :-)
Wow, it’s 35-7 in Vegas, and the Runnin’ Reb fans are running for the exits and it’s not even the half…!!! *g*
GSD @ 205
wha–? I thought it was for the low-priced rugs!
EvilDrPuma @ 209
All representatives are up every two years.
The wingnuttiest coment of the week? I’m listening to AM radio clips, provided to me by freerepublic.com. Great list:
Laura Ingraham talking to Mark Levin about her new book? – BORRRRING…
Dennsi Praeger interviewing Michael Ledeen about the Iranian threat? – actually, interesting, but pretty fact-free… “change that regime or bomb it? A matter of time…”
All I know is that the local wingnuts are in a state of shock and impending withdrawal as they see their crack supply from Uncle St. Ted Stevens coming to an end really, really soon…
bonkers, wait — you were a teenager in 1990?
eesh ;-) Feeling old here.
EvilDrPuma @ 210
I can’t tell you. We are electing a governor next month, and assorted local and state offices.
TexBetsy @ 213
Yes, Betsy, but which ones are up this year? A couple of months from now?
If anyone has Netflix access, I saw a great foreign movie today called “Method”.
From Netflix:
A multinational company in Madrid is the setting for Marcelo Pineyro’s drama about a group of candidates vying for one executive position and the fierce competition that develops among them. The seven applicants quickly grow to distrust one another when they discover they’re all aiming for the same position. Put through a grueling selection process, they endure feelings of fear and paranoia while going to extreme measures to land the job.
snip
It was like watching the movie 12 Angry Men, I swear.
Laura Doty @ 212
It was to topple Saddam. Mission Accomplished. Let’s go home.
GSD @ 205
I thought it was for the Seventy-five virgins… oh wait that’s the other guys…!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 210
I have absolutely no idea.
Laura Doty @ 213
McCain should sell rugs off of his bus.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 217
no clue
LoudounLib @ 216
On the tail end of the teen years at least!
TexBetsy @ 223
That’s because none of them are. That’s next year…not in a couple of months.
TexBetsy @ 224
House elections are in the even years. Everyone runs at once.
Laura Ingraham, just what we need, more lectures about the virtues of family from a childless shrew.
Go Laura! Power to the people!
Yawn is right.
-GSD
bonkers @ 225
Well hello young ‘un ;-)
LoudounLib @ 208
Oh that’s great! A friend of mine performs that song, and I’ve never heard the original….Thanks!
EvilDrPuma @ 226
What do you expect from a fox-type person anyway?
Laura Doty @ 226
::Throws Laura Doty a cookie::
Laura Doty @ 227
Except State and Municpal, etc… elections…!!!
Ah TB–we was suckered. You’re evil, EvilDrPuma. Here I’m having a mini panic thinking no one remembers Civics 101 and what is this country coming to….
LOL on the Vinegar GSD.
LoudounLib @ 215
Wanna feel REAL old? Snarky was BORN in 91. Sweet 16 is coming up.
Twain @ 179
But Twain, are those ballots counted the same as election day ballots? I’ve never been given a direct answer to this question. I have voted absentee for many years too, and just wonder if it is counted!
ccmask @ 230
Apparently anything is too much to expect. I mean, for crying out loud, these people claim to know what’s going on? This deserves to be mocked as loudly as Bush’s goddamned speech.
bonkers! *clutching pearls* You’ve never heard the original? If you have XM, tune in to Willie’s Place. They play that kind of stuff. Good times!
EvilDrPuma @ 226
Trick question! Can we get a ruling from the judges? And not that damned Bulgarian :0)
CTuttle @ 233
Yes, I should have specified U.S. H of R.
LoudounLib @ 208
well, i’ll see your honkytonk & raise you some old bluegrass by the Greenbriar Boys
Loo Hoo. @ 236
Counted????? ROFL?? You want them to COUNT it????? Ha!
TeddySanFran @ 205
Sorry, Teddy, was walking Token – he is on a quest to save the redwoods, one tree at a time.
I’m back home and so is my mom. They returned to Palm Springs yesterday. It was really good to see everyone and visit our collective memories again. We agreed not to discuss politics since Aunt Mary and Uncle Jim are Faux News waters, kool-aid served round the clock.
TexBetsy @ 236
She’s just a bit older than my niece then — she was born in ‘92. Already jonesing for her learner’s permit!
Loo Hoo. @ 236
Ours are counted same as others. They are I believe counted last but same day.
madmommy @ 240
Looks like I’m the idiot. It is from 9-14-2006 False alarm. Fox is smart.
madmommy @ 239
To be fair, I knew that. I was trying to think in my mind about whether any of the reps who have died or gone to prison would be replaced in elections this november.
TexBetsy @ 236
Lordy that is depressing. I remember thinking while in high school that I would be 36 in the year 2000, and how very far, far away that seemed to be. Now, not so much.
Laura Doty @ 240
Well, before this goes in a direction I didn’t intend, let’s take a moment to recall what ccmask posted:
The ridicule in this should be directed at the source…and they warn’t talking about county and municipal elections.
ndfg, thank you — I love bluegrass :-)
Laura Doty @ 241
…and Senatorial, Presidential…!!! ;-)
ccmask @ 246
Darn you! Darn you to heck!
So, Teddy, you think Lindsey Graham is closeted? What about Ambassador Crocker?
lol. I swear I never go over there and the first time I do, they get me.
TexBetsy @ 223
Federal elections in the USA are held only in even-numbered years, which 2007 is not. Hope this helps.
Missed a bunch while I was cleaning up from dinner….then it took a long while to catch up.
Petro, I didn’t serve the cheescake yet, ’cause we’re all too stuffed. Maybe for breakfast.
And, Suzanne….ugh! David Broder. Another face to run away from and more fodder for a diet.
And, I love Can’t Find My Way Home too.
Okay, I’m kinda caught up. whew.
TexBetsy @ 220
Yep, sure changed that regime. ‘N like I tol ya, I’m not in favor of nation building.’ [Gives the Jon Stewart slight leaning into the podium as if to increase gravitas, and gestures needily, clumsily, incoherently with hands for emphasis]. Fait acompli, he thinks. I’ve flummoxed the press as I always do.
GSD @ 198
The Bush Administration took centrist Republicans off the endangered species list and they were hunted to extinction.
ccmask @ 234
here as well
katymine @ 184
Sad to say, but it would not matter anyway. It would be ineffective on a US Senator irrespective of any document he signed; unless he voluntarily agreed to honor it. There have been states that have actual recall provisions in their statutes or state constitution and been held not to apply to a US Senator.
Twain @ 246
In my county–as memory serves, at least–they’re counted the next day. I like the convenience of absentee voting, but it lacks that wonderful feeling of community that comes with standing in line with all sorts of everybodies. Of course, things have gone down hill since the League of Women Voters membership declined, and there aren’t the same lovely ladies checking us in. My daughter tasted her first brownie at a polling place–and until she became a teenager, always came to the polls with me and voted. We always let her choose one issue to vote on (propositions)….thank heavens no one ever objected.
newtonusr @ 200
Link away, amigo.
Suzanne @ 243
I thought you’d want to know that CBS5 Eyewitless News had a long-ish segment from out gay Political Editor Hank Plante yesterday about whether Arnold is coming around to signing AB43. Can you imagine?
Well, I think I’m going to take a book to bed and suck on my bitter disappointment like a bad lemon. Be excellent to each other.
madmommy @ 249
I remember as a kid thinking about the year 2000, when I’d be 40 – both propositions were equally futuristic and unreal.
Where’s my flying car? It would be 7 years old by now…
Teddy, what did Plante have to say? Yes, no, or too soon to tell?
G’nite EDP. Hope your book is better than the lemon.
OT observation — according to my Weatherbug app., it’s 51F here in the outer boroughs of Dee Cee. Only a couple of weeks ago we were still sweltering in the 70’s and 80’s late at night. Fall is on the way.
Man, they benched Colt Brennan, early in the third! It’s only 42-7 Hawaii, C’mon what’s up??? Here’s my quarter in the Juke Box…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmx0b1XttS0
Off to bed for me. Just stepped outside to let the dog have a last tinkle before bed. The thermometer says 69.1 degrees, which is the first time it’s dropped below 70 for months. Cooler weather is comming, huzzah!
g’night and sleep well, EDP
g’night madmommy, seems we both had the weather on our minds ;-)
LoudounLib @ 269
It so felt like fall here today. Smell-wise, the way the light fell, dried leaves skittering everywhere, soft clouds. A quick change this year.
Any other USC fans out there?
Conquest.
Ed*ard Teller @ 215
Wingnut Of The Week? Come on over for a moment. We give out a weekly prize known affectionately as “The Mighty Wurlitzer”. I can personally attest that this weeks weener is deserving.
http://proctoringcongress.blog…..ember.html
LL,
You’re in Dee Cee?
So’s my daughter.
Somewhere near the zoo and works near GW University. I haven’t been to visit her yet, but when I do….I’ll look ya up. k?
Sounds beautiful, Laura :-) It was very similar here today. We had rain last night, and today was very windy and cool.
g’night MM. Rest your sweet young toes.
burnspbesq @ 259
I saw somewhere tonight that Lincoln Chafee recently registered as ‘unaffiliated’ in Rhode Island. I hope he runs for governor.
-GSD
Sleep well madmom.
Nite, EDP and Madmommy!!!
oh demi, that would be fun! I’m actually in VA, about 40 miles west. Gateway to horse country. Please let me know if you ever make it out here!
burnspbesq @ 275
Hey, me too! Oops. Wrong quote. Don’t do sports. Did do birth when Nixon V.P.
madmommy @ 249
That makes you the same age as my kid brother.
I was born when Nixon was VICE President.
burnspbesq @ 263
Finn Brothers, Nov 2004, Wellington NZ
Neil, April 99, Portland
Neil, Dec 98, Sydney
Links to RapidShare. These are great shows.
Loo Hoo. @ 253
Ryan Crocker married a now-retired Foreign Service secretary. They met in Baghdad when he was 30. No children are listed in his official bio.
I missed the live testimony this week, so did not have my ‘dar engaged. What did you think? Did Ryan not seem manly next to the Brave and Heroic Generallisimo Who Is Our Troops?
I was born the same year Dizzyland opened.
I was born during the summer before JFK won the presidential election.
Hello.
In a game that seemed to symbolize something, the Red Sox won today. BFD.
Laura Doty @ 261
The brownies at SF polling places are not shared with the children. *g*
Laura Doty @ 284
Democrats in Congress could learn an important lesson from our offensive line.
When you’ve got the other guys on the back foot, BURY THEM!
Here’s an interesting tidbit someone posted on No Quarter:
“A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.”
– Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, May 17, 1986.”
BigMitch @ 291
I was waiting for your weigh-in on today’s game ;-)
LoudounLib @ 239
No XM, but I’ve tried to catch up over the years. Hank Snow, Faron Young, Jimmie Rodgers are some favorites. Just listened to a local show tonight paying tribute to Janis Martin. Great stuff!
Hey BigMitch
that’s a hoax, demi :(
burnspbesq @ 275
Yo !
… saw flashes of Marcus Allen tonight …
BigMitch @ 291
Tomorrow should be a classic…!!! ;-)
demi @ 257
Three things you’re never too stuffed for, Cheesecake, Hockey & …
continuing with oldies tonight, Arlo Guthrie’s City of New Orleans always puts a lump in my throat.
demi @ 293
I believe this is urban legend. Or Internets fraud.
The brownies at SF polling places are not shared with the children. *g*
Oh yeah, that’s what I’m talkin’ about. But, then after you eat them, doncha just want more?
Tomorrow….. actually right now is the National election in Greece. they have compulsory voting voting, election day is on a Sunday and the polling places are in the schools, students have a 4 day weekend.
The current government is conservative but they caught holly hell over the wildfires. It was their Katrina moment and there were many large protests about the lack of response.
The two interesting things about the Greek elections is that there is a polling blackout the two weeks before the election and compulsory voting. They had an 89% voter turnout in the last national election.
Suzanne @ 297
Yep. It was actually written, but as part of a humor column, I think…
Petrocelli @ 298
Like OJ’s recent armed robbery…???
The brownies at SF polling places are not shared with the children. *g*
There’s a pun in there some where, but I can’t find it. Where IS Punaise these days?
bonkers @295, very cool — I’ve never heard of her. Need to investigate!
Suzanne @ 297
The diary is a hoax?
Here’s the google http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=George brought his ne’re-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job
oops, I messed up, meant to call it Link.
LoudounLib @ 294
Today, I walked to synagogue, 8 miles, stayed for lunch, and walked home, coincidentally, also 8 miles. But the game was TIVO’ed. Unfortunately, I forgot to figure that NY@BOS games are LONG. And so I just finished watching the 7 innings I had on ‘tape.’ Kinda merciful, I guess. Thanks, God.
burnspbesq @ 292
Amen, brother !
demi, yeah, i posted about it over at my blog and if ya go to snoopes dot com they have all the hoax info – i had a comment that pointed me in the right direction after i posted it
Mitch, that was an awfully long game. It started here at 3:30 EDT and it was still going on long after I was cleaning up the kitchen after supper.
This little ditty works just as well when applied to Iraq, alas.
katymine @ 304
Heckuva job Browniekakis.
-GSD
Suzanne @ 311
Snopes.com….
-GSD
Suzanne @ 266
It was kind of a “is a new wind blowing?” story. An interview with Mark Leno about how our legislature has enacted gender neutral marriage for the second time; a snippet from the head of Equality California; stock shots from the Winter of Love at SF City Hall; a discussion of Arnold’s chilly reception at the GOP State convention; a review of Arnold’s statement from 2005 that he would “respect the will of the voters in Prop22″ but that that was in 2000; poll results about how California voters’ opinions have changed; and, finally, a snippet of our Frat Boy Mayor saying to Hank that the Governor should “do something bold, something so that he won’t look back in 20 years and say, ‘I woulda, coulda, shoulda.’ He should sign the bill.”
Purely for local market consumption — or a harbinger of things changing? Plante is very well connected with the power structure in California; I’d be surprised if he’d put together such a long segment, holding out hope of a signature, if there wasn’t some whisper from the governor’s office that it might, just might, happen.
I bet the right isn’t mobilizing signatures and emails against it. They probably think a veto is in the bag. Maybe it is.
I’ll have a personal eyewitness report from Tuesday’s demonstration here in SF.
Yes!
All I wanted to do was take vacations from my quiet scholarly life in academic medicine and driftboat down the Smith or the Chetco or the Eel and catch salmon and steelhead.
And then the salmon were harder to catch and there were these funny places on the mountains that looked like giant lawn mowers had run over the forest.
And I read the EarthFirst! Journal about how bad it was for years and still didn’t come out and do anything for years..
And I continued my quiet scholarly life in academic medicine.
And Clinton signed the Salvage Rider in ‘95 and I was all confused and wondered why the Dems would fall to the loggers.
And I continued my quiet scholarly life.
And then the Forest Wars really heated up and in ‘96 even though the Warner Creek Free State fell the Headwaters protest and the Cascadia Forest Defenders (and in ‘98 Fall Creek treesit) rose and it looked like we were winning.
And then our legal means of forest demos were all criminalized with “closure orders” keeping us off our public lands and the very first demo I came to in ‘96 I decided to get arrested and our case (Horse Byars) in the court of the Hon Judge Ochoa in Salem Or on a very cold January morning in 1997 slapped the USFS upside the head and said “No arresting citizens on public lands with clousre orders.” And for almost a year, the orders went away and I thought things would wind down.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then in Humboldt County the local Sheriffs – wholly owned servants of the county’s biggest employer, Pacific Lumber – started painting chemical weapons on the eyes of young men and women peacefully sitting on forest roads and office floors.
And seeing as there weren’t any other docs hanging around the Headwaters campaign, I started writing and calling the head of USFS law enforcement and called PSR and then before I knew it I was on the board of PSR-LA and still fighting the forest wars.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then a very articulate actress watched her kid disappear into a cloud of pesticide as he walked into his San Fernando Valley school and she called PSR-LA about this pesticide thing and before I knew it I was doing that half-time and by Spring of 1999 the LA Unified School District adopted an paradigm-shiftinng pesticide policy incorporating the precautionary principle and we made national news. Then I thought things would settle down.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
Except my old EarthFirst! friends called me that November and said “hey those chemical weapons articles in the EarthFirst! Journal about the Humboldt pepper spray..can you talk about it at these demos?”
So I finshed up Thanksgiving dinner with my family and flew up to Seattle and a week later we’d stopped the WTO and the press conference where the world media heard the Seattle PD and allies had met criteria for involuntary psych hospitalization for gassing 60,000 civilians went well, too.
So I went back home (not like I was goong to have any work in the Northwest after that presser) and thought life would settle down.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
Except co-coordinating the medical services for the April 2000 IMF/WB protests and the August 2000 DNC protests took up some time.
And after the DNC protests ended and I was taking the last goddamn box of mineral oil (failed pepper spray remedy – don’t ask) out of the friggin’ elevator-free five story building we’d rented and prepped for the protest’s convergence center I was cursing the ankle I’d sprained the week before the protests and the general flakiness of the people who left me with the goddamn mineral oil and I swore I’d never do this shit again.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then the dumb fucking bastards in the DLC let Bush steal the Florida election.
And when ANSWER set up their rally for the start of the Iraq Shlock and Awe they – as per usual – had ignored the fact they needed medical services to get their permit from LA.
So I called the local city council person’s office (after the parks dept had told me to go fuck off) and got the permit and helped a great health care couple who do real global disaster relief set up the first aid station and I thought “hey – this is good”.
And then the fucking bastards from ANSWER did their usual Stalinist rant and told the crowd the only reason they had medics and a first aid station was that ANSWER had demanded them and the city council had refused.
So I told myself I’d never do this shit again and the next day I called my city council person (whose office had helped my low-income patients) and apologized.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then the next year in 2004 I was living in SF and the Bio-Devastation protests were coming and well pesticides and GMO Franken-critters really were destroying salmon and I should get involved so I helped with the convergence space. And did medical with the protests. Again.
And that went well enough.
And then I went with the SF radical medical collective to the RNC protests in NYC and they were great and at the end I was staying all up all night outside the jail (cause I’d dressed up in my best “police liason” clothes for or arrest action and boy fancy shoes in jail are a painful mistake) with my medic friends who were taking care of my feet and we were shooting the shit and figuring we’d seen the last of the big demos and we could go home.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then Bush stole the election again and this time Kerry rolled over and one of our local demo medics called “Code Blue” and we had a dirge march the day after the 2004 election.
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then “Code Blue” tried to grow and one of first few members didn’t want to and used the friggin’ “consensus process” to stall the whole thing.
And then Katrina came up and my medic pals all went off to NOLA and I stayed home in SF to take care of patients.
(waits for the bridge to come around again….you can get anything you….)
And I figured I could get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
And then the Bushies tried to pull a creeping coup and now we’ll have some protests this month and more next month and some time next year in the cold months we’ll have batons and tear gas and Homeland Security out to stop the protests – (the whole protest, not the small but important bit on the Capitol steps)
But ’til next month…I’ll be canning the summer harvest from the farmers’ market and the med school year has started and I figure I can get on with my life again.
Except we all know in the months to come life in these United States will be anything but.
And in teh months to come I expect I’ll have the pleasure of joining a whole lot of good folks here at the Lake in the “FDL affinity group” at coming protests.
Banner: Ned the Fighting Koi
Motto: ATTTTTTACK!
(waits for it to come around again)
But after that…
I figure I can finally get on with my quiet scholarly life again.
Then I’ll finally have the chance to get back to tromping around the rivers for salmon and steelhead, right?
[Oh - I forgot. Now being an EarthFirst!er, I couldn’t really stand to kill the fish.
Well, maybe I’ll finally have the chance to drift boat down the Chetco while someone I love fishes.
That would be nice.
And then I could finally get away from this terrible ugliness.
So long as our forests withstand the warming.]
gsd, thanks, my fingers are getting tired – ya’ll are real talkitive lately – making me work
Okay, guys.
I guess you can’t believe everything you read.
Thanks for the link Suz.
*
Petro…is the third a clown car?
BigMitch @ 302
It is from a Michael Kinsley satire piece. I have never used that name and satire in a sentence before by the way.
-GSD
Greek elections:
(1) I thought I heard that the fires were set by political activists, one might call them terrorists, I suppose. What’s the deal on that?
(2) Compulsory voting: Is it a good idea to make people vote who don’t care?
demi @ 292
This is a hoax. Really, it’s been debunked. It’s a quote from Kinsley’s thoughts about how he might have been mentioned in the Reagan Diaries. Did not happen.
TeddySanFran @ 287
Well, here’s this.
for bonkers, if you’re still here — study up on Hank Williams, too:
Settin’ The Woods On Fire
demi @ 320
… some nights, it seems to be … *g*
Re wingnut entry No. 2, I always looked on Petraeus as an *sskissing chickensh*t but that’s just me.
TSF,
Hoax me once…
:(
I guess it sounded too good to be true.
just a gentle reminder
thou shalt make no comment longer than the post to which it refers :)
Suzanne @ 319
who, me? (looks innocently, taps foot, whistles)
G’day everyone. 27 C (about 80 F) here as we ease into early spring. Yes, summers are hot. Winters are brutal, some days its doesn’t even get to 75 F.
Oz seems poised to dump the execrable John Howard, though the election date has not been announced, it’s expected in late October or November.
Bush was a major embarrassment last week at the OPEC er APEC summit here in Austria, er Australia. Most folks can not believe we elected him twice, I assure them we didn’t the first time and probably not the second time, but they still have that appalled look.
Glad to see Cassie is on the mend.
Back to lurking….
BigMitch @ 322
That was the story from the conservative government. The one fire set on Crete that killed 4 firefighters was set to burn down trees so that it could be open for development, you know…. those money hungry developers.
Forests are rare and protected, if the trees are burned down, then the land might be released for development.
AND about compulsory voting – every Greek is involved in politics. It is their national pass time.
Great Moments in Wannabe Tyranny:
“A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there’s no question about it, ” [Bush] said.
– Business Week, July 30, 2001
-GSD
(waving to petedownunder) long time, no see!
Suzanne @ 329
Is that because there won’t be a Late, Late???
Great note, Kirk.
Pete,
When is election day?
-GSD
BigMitch @ 322
I’ve read the Greek forest arson are set by the same eco-terrorists who plague North America:
Developers coveting pulic lands.
demi @ 293
I’ve heard that one’s a hoax. I, however, believe every word.GSD @ 321
First off, why in the world would Ronald Reagan complain about someone ‘not having a real job’? What ‘real job’ did he ever have?
BigMitch @ 322
***
And if voting is compulsory, what’s the penalty for the 11 percent who don’t vote?
actually, ct, there will be a late late nite tonight
hope Thers can give us some kind of crowd estimate if it’s at all possible. here’s my problem. Organizers were claing 100,000 which I assume is bullshit. MSNBC reported 60,000 and my local rag reported 3,000-6,000 which also strikes me as bullshit. Even Michelle Malkin said about 10,000.
Do you see what they call their counter-demo: “Gathering of Eagles.” Kinda stupid, no? I mean, calling people birds. Did Cheney try to shoot one?
Beautiful Kirk M. Just so. If we love others, if we love the earth, we can never ever be complacent.
We must be ever vigitant dear pups!
Pete,
I reread the post.
Sorry.
-GSD
CD @ 340
Um … they were the ones running for election … *g*
katymine @ 305
Wow! I wonder what would happen if we had compulsory voting here. Would Rush win?
Thanks, LooHoo, Crocker’s a lying sack of shit but I’m not sure if he’s openly closeted or closeted or gay or openly gay or not.
So many categories nowadays!
Crock-ah!!!!!
It’s not just Greece, but Spain, Portugal, and Italy where developers hire arsonists to set fires to open land for development.
Gathering of Eagles, sounds so much better than Brood of Chickenhawks.
-GSD
BigMitch @ 336
Thanks BigMitch – Hope it gave you a laugh (or two)…
but next time I’m writing a comment with “Alice’s Restaurant” playing in my head I’ll check for length…
(sorry Suzanne…)
katymine @ 332
All the more reason to not need a law.
GSD @ 344
Hey GSD … how’s it goin’, eh ?
((Waives to LL – been here, just lurking when not too busy.))
Election day in Oz is whenever the government says it is so long as it’s no more then three years from the last one. The next one must be before January I think, but everyone is guessing late Oct to early Nov as everything shouts down for six weeks about two weeks before Christmas. Compulsory voting here too.
I’m still a US citizen, but the Future Mrs Downunder is a very conscientious voter.
Petro!
-GSD
Pete, is Ratty Howard still well behind Rudd?
GSD @ 350
Or a murder of snipes.
Hi Petro, Suz, LL, Loo Hoo!
kirk murphy @ 329
for Suzanne & the other mods
kirk murphy @ 318
{{{{{{{{{{ kirk! }}}}}}}}}}}
Brood of Chickehawks might be safer, though. Cheney wouldn’t shoot one of his own.
http://www.idea.int/vt/compulsory_voting.cfm
Penalty for not voting in Greece
1. Explanation. The non-voter has to provide a legitimate reason for his/her abstention to avoid further sanctions, if any exist.
5. Other. For example in Belgium it might be difficult getting a job within the public sector if you are non-voter, or difficulties obtaining a new passport or driver’s licence in Greece. There are no formal sanctions Mexico or Italy but possible arbitrary or social sanctions. This is called the “innocuous sanction” in Italy, where it might for example be difficult to get a daycare place for your child or similar but this is not formalised in any way at all.
GSD @ 350
GoE is Meltdown Melanie’s little operation, I believe (KSFO).
petedownunder @ 354
What the heck was Howard thinking, allowing himself to be photographed with Bush ?
(waving to Alicia) hey there!
Good evening!
TexBetsy @ 358
Unscented! Nice work!
A gaggle of goops?
Evening all. Just back from seeing the Gourds live (for free). Great show. They came out smoking and did not slow down for two hors.
Hi TJ
Alicia @ 357
Hiya Sis … starting to get cool up here … fall’s coming … my favorite time of the year …
… Algonquin’s celebration of colors, leaves crunching underfoot, forwards getting crunched into the boards … *g*
evenin’ TJ, evenin’ DrD
DrD, a free show? Very cool!
More like a nest of wasps.
LoudounLib @ 325
Oh yea, I’m pretty good on Hank Sr. Have you heard his granson, Hank III?
TeddySanFran @ 362
Oh, the woman who referred to a US military officer, Votevets John Soltz as a ‘cockroach in need of crushing’.
Funny, I can’t recall the outrage from the Bush choir about that despicable comment.
-GSD
Hi Betsy!
Hey Alicia. How are you?
Petro, fall is my absolute favorite too. And I guess I’ll play fantasy hockey this year ;-)
Petrocelli @ 370
now there’s a sport worth watching!
I remember fall. :) Still in the 90’s here.
LoudounLib @ 377
… got the Leffe and Chimay all stocked and ready to go ...
New thread.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 378
You said it, sister !
Having lived in a country that have compulsory voting, seen the voter turnout and the involvement of the general population in politics, I am all for it. It is a right we all have, it should not be treated lightly.
OMG local NBC nightly news is showing the protest in DC… WOW… they are talking about Sen. Webb’s amendment!!! Have the tides turned in AZ?
TeddySanFran @ 362
Beeter named a Flock of Turkeys, I think.
bonkers, Hank III is no slouch! Great stuff. Come join us upstairs :-)
New Thread Now…Go.
Re: the topic.
Today, I was recalling a little shtick* my uncle used to do. He would imagine the Israeli ambassador addressing the U.N. in Yiddish. The update would be Hillary Clinton addressing Rudy Guliani, who criticized her for not distancing herself from the Moveon.com “Patraeus-Betray Us” ad.
That night on the news, Brian Williams:
Notes for the Yiddishly challenged:
*”shtick” means “piece” as in a ‘piece of comedy.’
** “Kish mir” short for “Kish mir a rein.” (Kiss my ass.)
Off subject—-
Hi! Everybody hope this weekend keeps you your little boat smooth-sailing and sharp-eyed….
Just stopped in for a minute – We had a straight up gorgeous day rode my bike downtown where a bunch of people decided to show off their pimped up old cars, it was a perfect day yes indeed….
Okay back to subject at hand….
Thers, I concur…
Phooey….
Democratic Party … merely A*PAC by another name.
Ron Paul will rid us of shadow governments.
Just happened to log on and see voting discussion.
I don’t mean to be too nerdly, but in the consitutional conveniton Alexander Hamilton mentioned that compulsory voting might be necessary if voting rates fell too low. At least one state had resorted to it during that period. Hamilton said that (paraphrasing) something was wrong with a political system if voting rates fell too low, and said laws might be necessary if that happened to keep people involved, and lookie here state X is having to do that right now, and we might have to do that for federal elections too if we don’t design them to keep peoples’ interest up. I forget the state, but could look it up.
I guess point is, that since voting innovations in late 19th century, the US has become quite fossilized until reccently, except for whizzbang gimcracks like machine voting.
I think national election day with compulsory voting. Paper ballots, hand counted. I think some one here said that is what Canada does.
meant to say ‘national election holiday’
Are extra points credited if the person pronouncing the drivel is wearing the fetching headgear a la Patrick Swayze in the picture?
If so, I’ll tune in to today’s Sunday Squawkers, particularly the program with Krautheimer on it. He’s gonna look GREAT in that!! [Photoshop, anyone?]
Otherwise, I’ll just rest my legs from yesterday’s march and re-run Boston’s victory over the Yankees last night.
Ed*ard Teller @ 215:
Can we really hope that this will happen, or are you just Lucy & the pumpkin?
Thank you for being so honest and transparent here. I have felt guilty and negligent for not being politically informed or active in those peaceful times before this hellish administration. Bu$h woke me up. I was informed and active during Nixon’s time, but haven’t really paid alot of attention to national discourse since, raising a kid, working and basically just living a life here.
But the horrors wrought by this administration ticked off an obsession in me to fight for my civil rights, to oppose an invasion and occupation resulting in the murder of hundreds of thousands, to rail against the destruction of our environment, etc. etc. etc.
I’ve been ashamed of the fact that I have had my head in the sand and not wanted to openly admit my sheepleness to other activists who now populate my life online and off.
The one thing Bu$h ever said that resonates as true, in my life at least, is that he is uniter, not a divider. Well, half true. He’s divided scads, but he’s also united many of us who weren’t paying attention and after this travesty upon everything American, I don’t see me going back to sleep in my lifetime. I’m not ancient, but I am old enough to know that I intend to be a part of the reparations needed to my country that will likely last to my dying day.
We pretty thoroughly were able to rid ourselves, kick ass when it was Nixon trying to play Dictator of the World. THIS is different. Nothing seems to work. I attribute that to a large extent to the lack of responsible media happening now, whereas when it was Nixon we were fighting, we HAD media who fought along side with us. The other problem is our gutless lying congress.
I’ll never stop fighting for America. I’ll never ignore her again. There! It’s out. I hope “better late than never” applies here.
Thanks.
siri@legitgov.org
http://www.legitgov.org
Elliott @ 78
But, how many times can he stand to be stabbed in the back before he realizes he’s supposed to fall down?
Didn’t he get it when W trashed him in SC?
Didn’t he get it when W’s thugs trashed his campaign?
What will it take for the guy to realize his patriotism doesn’t matter one whit to Bushies?
TeddySanFran @ 112
If the Dem primary is in any way close and Edwards is fighting it out with Clinton then he should never never never never say a word until the vote has been counted about three times. Claiming victory or conceding assumes you know something which isn’t so likely with someone like Penn involved.
bmaz @ 138
I think it’s unrealistic to expect Americans to go along with war criminals (Bushies, not Petraeus).
I think it’s unrealistic to think you’ll ever get Dubya to compromise as he has yet to do that.
I think it’s unrealistic to think our military can go on this way forever or that our country’s financial state can continue to worsen without severe consequences.
Do you beg a court to compromise with serial killers to avoid the embarrassment of having the public discover the killer is a relative of yours?
LoudounLib @ 245
WHAT! You have to get a permit to *learn* things now? Geez, what is this country coming to.
BTW, “jonesing” wasn’t a word at one time and isn’t really used these days either. If we hadn’t had the ’60s would people have a clue what a word like that means?
TeddySanFran @ 256
One of my favorite jokes was when Stephen Wright said he’d had an argument with a Vegas croupier about whether 4 was an ‘odd’ number. Maybe 2004 *was* an odd year.
Hopefully this helps!
TeddySanFran @ 323
Yeah, but in the spirit of Reagan’s great lies, why ruin a good story?
katymine @ 383
I think the memo has gone out nationally that the Rich are done with Bush and, YES the tide has turned.
IMHO