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		<title>By: Ed Kunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Kunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969124&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 65&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“Minot Air Force Base Airman Died While on Leave.&lt;br /&gt;
September 14th, 2007&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember the one about the B-52 bomber that, according to legend, had six nuclear weapons loaded onto it by accident, which, of course, could not have happened—by accident—for a dozen different reasons, or more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base. He died while on leave in Virginia. No further details have been released.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was he on duty when those nuclear weapons were loaded onto the B-52, “by accident”? “&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m as paranoid as the next guy. Assuming, like Freud, that there are no accidents, what were they going to do with the nuclear weapons?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-969124"><em>LS @ 65</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>“Minot Air Force Base Airman Died While on Leave.<br />
September 14th, 2007</p>
<p>Remember the one about the B-52 bomber that, according to legend, had six nuclear weapons loaded onto it by accident, which, of course, could not have happened—by accident—for a dozen different reasons, or more.</p>
<p>Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base. He died while on leave in Virginia. No further details have been released.</p>
<p>Was he on duty when those nuclear weapons were loaded onto the B-52, “by accident”? “</p>
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<p>I’m as paranoid as the next guy. Assuming, like Freud, that there are no accidents, what were they going to do with the nuclear weapons?</p>
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		<title>By: toby martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The inmates have taken over the asylum, and are running it with relentless vigor.  The societal institutions and mechanisms that are supposed to allow for productive change are irreparably broken or effectively sabotaged.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s time to start reading the Declaration of Independence instead of the damn Bible!  Just Google it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inmates have taken over the asylum, and are running it with relentless vigor.  The societal institutions and mechanisms that are supposed to allow for productive change are irreparably broken or effectively sabotaged.</p>
<p>It’s time to start reading the Declaration of Independence instead of the damn Bible!  Just Google it.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blue America is upstairs with an exciting new candidate for Congress in California. Howie brings us Ron Shepston live for our questions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/15/blue-america-ron-shepston-a-california-blogger-in-ca-42/&quot;&gt;Blue America: Ron Shepston, A California Blogger Challenging An Extreme Right Winger In CA-42&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please stay on-topic for our guests in Blue America, you are welcome to continue on other topics in this thread, thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue America is upstairs with an exciting new candidate for Congress in California. Howie brings us Ron Shepston live for our questions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/15/blue-america-ron-shepston-a-california-blogger-in-ca-42/">Blue America: Ron Shepston, A California Blogger Challenging An Extreme Right Winger In CA-42</a></p>
<p>Please stay on-topic for our guests in Blue America, you are welcome to continue on other topics in this thread, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalSailor</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoCalSailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969139&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;darkblack @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969128&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahome kiddo @ 69&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s not Wes I object so strenuously to. It’s Hillary.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary is the good cop to Bush’s bad cop, IMO…The corporate agenda is mutually shared.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An excerpt from a Reuters piece:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1427381320070914&quot;&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article.....1320070914&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Some critics of the anti-missile system have warned the plan could be torpedoed if a Democrat president is elected next year after Republican George W. Bush, but a visiting senior Democrat said her party was behind the project.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We wanted to come today to make very clear that we are very supportive… of missile defense,” Ellen Tauscher, chairwoman of the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, said after meeting Czech Deputy Prime Minister Alexandr Vondra in Prague. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a demoRAT.  Concrete evidence of culpability with the Military-Industrial Complex. If you needed any. . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-969139"><em>darkblack @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-969128"><em>Oklahome kiddo @ 69</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It’s not Wes I object so strenuously to. It’s Hillary.</p>
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<p>Hillary is the good cop to Bush’s bad cop, IMO…The corporate agenda is mutually shared.</p>
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<p>An excerpt from a Reuters piece:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1427381320070914">http://www.reuters.com/article&#8230;..1320070914</a></p>
<p>“Some critics of the anti-missile system have warned the plan could be torpedoed if a Democrat president is elected next year after Republican George W. Bush, but a visiting senior Democrat said her party was behind the project.</p>
<p>“We wanted to come today to make very clear that we are very supportive… of missile defense,” Ellen Tauscher, chairwoman of the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, said after meeting Czech Deputy Prime Minister Alexandr Vondra in Prague. “</p>
<p>This is a demoRAT.  Concrete evidence of culpability with the Military-Industrial Complex. If you needed any. . .</p>
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		<title>By: peanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969241&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twȝk @ 172&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969235&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Waccamaw @ 165&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;O/t -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would appear that UC Irvine might have been taking a lot of incoming over its decision to “unhire” Chemerinsky:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-uci15sep15,0,1791213.story?page=1&amp;coll=la-home-center&quot;&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....ome-center&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Indeed. The comments are a depressing read, though.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-969241"><em>twȝk @ 172</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-969235"><em>Waccamaw @ 165</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>O/t -</p>
<p>It would appear that UC Irvine might have been taking a lot of incoming over its decision to “unhire” Chemerinsky:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-uci15sep15,0,1791213.story?page=1&amp;coll=la-home-center">http://www.latimes.com/news/lo&#8230;..ome-center</a></p>
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<p>Good!</p>
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<p>Indeed. The comments are a depressing read, though.</p>
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		<title>By: thereisnospoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>thereisnospoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The administration just says whatever is convenient.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The administration just says whatever is convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“But veterans’ groups that seek to protect the memorial from vandalism &lt;b&gt;are suspicious that anti-war protesters are to blame&lt;/b&gt;. “Even on the outside chance that it was [an] accident, things like that shouldn’t be happening,” Kristin Taylor, a spokesman for the Gathering of Eagles (GOE), told Cybercast News Service.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GOE is a coalition of veterans’ groups and pro-military organizations that organizes counter-demonstrations during anti-war marches. Taylor said &lt;b&gt;“there are incidents around the country of war memorials being … vandalized” and pointed to apparent threats on a leftist/anarchist Web site to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An Aug. 27 comment posted on the DC Indymedia Web site said that “if they [GOE] come to our march we will spray the wall.” The comment was referring to an anti-war protest scheduled for Sept. 15. GOE has advertised that it will counter-protest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;The threat to spray the wall may not be genuine, however, as others who posted messages on the Web site accuse its anonymous author of being “FReeper scum,” a reference to conservatives who use the discussion Web site Free Republic.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11553871/&quot;&gt;http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11553871/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“But veterans’ groups that seek to protect the memorial from vandalism <b>are suspicious that anti-war protesters are to blame</b>. “Even on the outside chance that it was [an] accident, things like that shouldn’t be happening,” Kristin Taylor, a spokesman for the Gathering of Eagles (GOE), told Cybercast News Service.</p>
<p>GOE is a coalition of veterans’ groups and pro-military organizations that organizes counter-demonstrations during anti-war marches. Taylor said <b>“there are incidents around the country of war memorials being … vandalized” and pointed to apparent threats on a leftist/anarchist Web site to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.</b></p>
<p>An Aug. 27 comment posted on the DC Indymedia Web site said that “if they [GOE] come to our march we will spray the wall.” The comment was referring to an anti-war protest scheduled for Sept. 15. GOE has advertised that it will counter-protest.</p>
<p><b>The threat to spray the wall may not be genuine, however, as others who posted messages on the Web site accuse its anonymous author of being “FReeper scum,” a reference to conservatives who use the discussion Web site Free Republic.”</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11553871/">http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11553871/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jim o&#8217;connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim o&#8217;connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Total Debt Outstanding: $9,016,288,006,279.21&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Note From President George W. Bush to the future generations of America:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the total cost for my stupidity.  I thought you could cut taxes, increase spending and go to war all at the same time and it would work out OK.  I was wrong.  Sorry.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the Bonddad blog 9-15-07.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;End it now or start paying for it now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Total Debt Outstanding: $9,016,288,006,279.21</p>
<p>A Note From President George W. Bush to the future generations of America:</p>
<p>Here’s the total cost for my stupidity.  I thought you could cut taxes, increase spending and go to war all at the same time and it would work out OK.  I was wrong.  Sorry.” </p>
<p>From the Bonddad blog 9-15-07.</p>
<p>End it now or start paying for it now.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSimian</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/15/fear-him-no-dont-fear-him/#comment-969252</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgeSimian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And how is it that Bush can say “We don’t torture” and then at the same time pass legislation that mandates torture?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how is it that Bush can say “We don’t torture” and then at the same time pass legislation that mandates torture?</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969179&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cleter @ 118&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-969174&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Adie @ 114&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Egad.  Hil’s not my first choice. BUT. I can’t find a thing in your pile there that I’d agree with!  Mebbe try the artist’s brush for awhile instead of the floor-mop, eh?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, I’m serious. Outline some policy differences for me. What are they?&lt;br /&gt;
How is Hillary not an old-style moderate Republican?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope you’ll let me beg off.  I find joepourjoe to be a repulsive human being.  Gut feel, which counts for nothing - i know.  No background other than 66 yrs (next week ;-&gt;) of watching and judging, grad degree in behavior, some considerable experience in having to deal with politicians, their egos vs bare-bones reality issues….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe lights up the sleaze-factor warning signals way more than anyone for me other than jr/shooter or newt &amp; the like (a bunch of other repubbles - mcCONel, lott, …).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t trust joe to carry out the trash.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d watch Hil carefully, but yeah, I’d give her benefit of the doubt.  She’s got super-size woman-in-politics ego - more than necessary? - i dunno.  Don’t know her that well.  She might be overly bluster-y trying to project a feeling of fortitude for campaign purposes, or, she might be a bully. TBA&lt;br /&gt;
She’d be way down my list, because of some policy and priorities issues over which I’m pretty sure she &amp; I wouldn’t agree (definitely doesn’t pass my environmental issues sniff test, till proven otherwise).  I think she’s made some major mistakes (yes, the war…).  But, I think she’s competent, and no, not just from experience as a prez’s wife.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d far rather have Edwards - multiple reasons; lots having to do with presumed honesty and honest desire to serve rather than pillage; bright, very articulate, truly seems to feel driven to serve the greater good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be TERRIFIC if Gore decided to run - i’d vote for him in a split second on policy &amp; priorities, sense of honesty and competence….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…more than you wanted to know, from someone who’s not a pro at this stuff of politics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ya know?  The Horse Whisperer movie was panned by the guy upon whose life it was based.  He always wished the producers had used his real title, The Man Who Listens to Horses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what I do, with politicians.  I can’t really call it professional, but it’s based upon professional training, and it works for me, informing my “gut feel”.&lt;br /&gt;
Critically important also is the rule of thumb:&lt;br /&gt;
“pretty is as pretty does”.  FGS, if we ALL had only followed Molly Ivins’ urgent plea to LOOK at shrub’s RECORD.  Not what he said, but what he DID.  If only!?!  All the clues were there.  He’d never have become preznit.&lt;br /&gt;
And shooter? What can I say? Look at the record of abuses and he shouldn’t even be dawgcatcher.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so don’t get me started… heh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(((peace)))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-969179"><em>cleter @ 118</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-969174"><em>Adie @ 114</em></a></p>
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<p>Egad.  Hil’s not my first choice. BUT. I can’t find a thing in your pile there that I’d agree with!  Mebbe try the artist’s brush for awhile instead of the floor-mop, eh?</p>
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<p>No, I’m serious. Outline some policy differences for me. What are they?<br />
How is Hillary not an old-style moderate Republican?</p>
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<p>I hope you’ll let me beg off.  I find joepourjoe to be a repulsive human being.  Gut feel, which counts for nothing &#8211; i know.  No background other than 66 yrs (next week ;-&gt;) of watching and judging, grad degree in behavior, some considerable experience in having to deal with politicians, their egos vs bare-bones reality issues….</p>
<p>Joe lights up the sleaze-factor warning signals way more than anyone for me other than jr/shooter or newt &amp; the like (a bunch of other repubbles &#8211; mcCONel, lott, …).</p>
<p>I wouldn’t trust joe to carry out the trash.</p>
<p>I’d watch Hil carefully, but yeah, I’d give her benefit of the doubt.  She’s got super-size woman-in-politics ego &#8211; more than necessary? &#8211; i dunno.  Don’t know her that well.  She might be overly bluster-y trying to project a feeling of fortitude for campaign purposes, or, she might be a bully. TBA<br />
She’d be way down my list, because of some policy and priorities issues over which I’m pretty sure she &amp; I wouldn’t agree (definitely doesn’t pass my environmental issues sniff test, till proven otherwise).  I think she’s made some major mistakes (yes, the war…).  But, I think she’s competent, and no, not just from experience as a prez’s wife.</p>
<p>I’d far rather have Edwards &#8211; multiple reasons; lots having to do with presumed honesty and honest desire to serve rather than pillage; bright, very articulate, truly seems to feel driven to serve the greater good.</p>
<p>It would be TERRIFIC if Gore decided to run &#8211; i’d vote for him in a split second on policy &amp; priorities, sense of honesty and competence….</p>
<p>…more than you wanted to know, from someone who’s not a pro at this stuff of politics.</p>
<p>Ya know?  The Horse Whisperer movie was panned by the guy upon whose life it was based.  He always wished the producers had used his real title, The Man Who Listens to Horses.</p>
<p>That’s what I do, with politicians.  I can’t really call it professional, but it’s based upon professional training, and it works for me, informing my “gut feel”.<br />
Critically important also is the rule of thumb:<br />
“pretty is as pretty does”.  FGS, if we ALL had only followed Molly Ivins’ urgent plea to LOOK at shrub’s RECORD.  Not what he said, but what he DID.  If only!?!  All the clues were there.  He’d never have become preznit.<br />
And shooter? What can I say? Look at the record of abuses and he shouldn’t even be dawgcatcher.</p>
<p>so don’t get me started… heh.</p>
<p>(((peace)))</p>
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