I really wish the clowns in the GOP/Media's Gaslight Division would make up their effing minds.
As Joe Sudbay pointed out over at AmericaBlog last week:
Wait, yesterday, Bush's Homeland Security adviser said the Osama Bin Laden was "virtually impotent." Yet, today, Bush's National Intelligence Director testified that Bin Laden's forces pose a real threat. What is it? And, if we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here, how can they still be a real threat?
And yet the press dutifully relays each new piece of spin to us without comment, much less mentioning how it contradicts the previous pieces of spin. This isn't reporting, it's stenography.
But of course it was always thus with Bush and the media.
Remember the old "flypaper" theory the Bush people and their conservative apologists used to bat around? The idea was that it was a GOOD thing that our invading Iraq had taken a nation that was previously run by a secularist guy who hated Al-Qaeda and other Islamic-based terror groups and turned it into a bloody, weltering mess of chaos, because the chaos would draw the bad guys to it and away from us. Brilliance!
Of course, what was really happening was that our invading and destroying Iraq as a functional state in a continuing occupation that's now cost over a million Iraqi dead and four million made homeless (which works out to nearly twenty percent of the pre-invasion population homeless or dead) has pissed off so many people in the developing world that they're taking up arms against us. In other words, it's not so much "flypaper" as fertilizer -- invading and occupying what used to be a country is creating more terrorists worldwide than we can shoot, bomb, or blow up.
Meanwhile, in addition to serving as terrorist fertilizer, the ongoing occupation of Iraq is putting horrific strains on our military. In fact, the real reason for Petraeus' -- and now Bush's -- promising the troop drawdown is simply because he has no other choice if he doesn't want to see a total collapse of the troops. But the Bushistas can never admit that openly.
So what do they do, now that they've destroyed one nation and are putting our own in peril? Why, they try to distract us with the Osama boogie-man -- that is, when they're not busy saying he's no longer a threat.
Sheeeeesh.
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PW!
Shorter Rethugs,
I will have my cake and eat it too.
“Let THEM eat cake”
Morning, Phoenix Woman.
EPU’d and OT, but very good news, we hope!
Bye Bye, Sen. Ted Stevens!
Former Veco chairman Bill Allen might have been on the witness stand to present bribery evidence against a state legislator, but the biggest shock of the day — perhaps the entire trial — was his assertion Friday that he or his company financed a substantial portion of the remodeling of U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens’ Girdwood home.
As he testified for the third day in the bribery, extortion and conspiracy trial of former House Speaker Pete Kott, R-Eagle River, gasps emerged around the crowded courtroom when Allen admitted he provided workers and some material for the 2000 building project that doubled the size of Stevens’ official residence.
BTW - Allen wasn’t reimbursed by Sen. Stevens. At least in any legal sense of the word “reimburse…”
ok, the democrats have to start punishing this president for invoking the terminology of nazi germany
it is not the “homeland”, it is AMERICA
and evertime someone uses the term “homeland” whoever is there needs to take issue with the word, point out the history and say;
“I am not going to use terminology that referances nazi germany, I’ll call it AMERICA, and I wish the president would stop using the same terminology as Hitler but if he insists I refuse”
Who needs Osama when you have OMG IRAN!!!111
And the wheels continue to fall off the White House wagon … my only concern while I watch and enjoy this spectacle … is that the country isn’t too badly damaged in the process
Wes Clark just edorsed Hillary Clinton…
Hermann Goerring:
“Of course the people don’t want war…but it is the leaders who make these decisions, and it is a simple matter to bring the people to the will of the leaders…all you do is tell the people they are under attack and then denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country, fascist, communist, or democracy…”
If you watch the OBL video from a week or so ago, notice that whenever “he” refers to recent events, the video is in freeze-frame. The dude’s been dead since early 2002.
Ed*ard Teller @ 9
Yup, or living Paris or something wearing Armani suits.
David Ehrenstein - you still here? A question came up yesterday that I thought you might be able to resolve - the origin of the term “fickle finger of fate.”
THE FIGHTING FIFTY FIRST @ 6
Yeah. Or the world.
It’s kinda like a global chemotherapy — the danger is that it might wind up killing more good tissue than bad.
Ed*ard Teller @ 11
Is this it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....er_of_Fate
Phoenix Woman @ 12
but do we trust the oncologists and surgeons in this case?
Ed*ard Teller @ 11
Rowan & Martin’s Laugh-In?
OK, really getting to work now. Really.
Lieberman now questioning Betrayus on C-Span1 if anyone has the stomach for it or missed it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 9
He does tend to show up at the most “convenient” times, doesn’t he? Exceedingly inopportune for us, perhaps; But any good Right winger will tell you fortune favors the virtuous…
btw, ET, in my experience, those silver salmon you plan to smoke are just pure hell to get lit!
pw, I especially love this bit of writing from you and man, I wish some democrats would memorise it and repeat it every single time the president claims we are fighting terrorism in Iraq;
Adie from the prev thread:
what you described whith the postal ballots?
EXACTLY the same thing happened in the last federal election here in Aust.2004.
in the state of Queensland,the postal votes of a whole electorate were posted well before the election and did not arrive before the polls closed. they were disallowed and not counted.
ccmask @ 16
I just heard Liarman’s voice and muted it.
Cozumel @ 13
The movie is from late 1967. The show, Rowan and Martin’s “Laugh-In” is from 1967. But the Broadway musical “Sweet Charity” is from early 1966, and in it, the main character, Charity, refers to “the fickle finger of fate.” I don’t know if the line dates to the original production, or was inserted in a revival. It is in the script you have to rent when you put on the play.
MSNBC reporting about 1,000 people outside WH.
Pox “news” gets a more consistent message out than the guys that feed them this stuff.
Good Morning PW.
Keep hammering until they’re forced to notice. ;->
Please forgive OT here, epu’d downstairs. Thanks.
nonplussed @ 17
We aren’t planning on inhaling. Like Clinton, we’ll just put them in some brownies.
This is how they’ll look…
Why, they try to distract us with the Osama boogie-man — that is, when they’re not busy saying he’s no longer a threat.
Well, it’s confusing when you’re trying to figure out how to spin the amount of threat emanating from a dead man.
OT
Bill Durston is announcing again today at a peace rally at the Rancho Cordova City Hall that he is running against Dan The War Man Lungren. Bill is on the Act Blue Directory. If you can help out it would be a great display of support. We need to let people know that a respected member of this community is taking on a man who has voted in lock step with the Bush crime family. Bill will also remain constant in his philosophy to end this horror of a war. Durston For Congress
There is no contradiction between the two views. Frances Townsend is the one who said that bin Laden was virtually impotent. She apparently gets around more than we know and was no doubt referring to his sex life.
As for DNI McConnell, I’m not sure he and the truth have ever met so when he says that bin Laden’s forces pose a danger he could be talking about them as a terrorist threat or as a soccer team.
As for coherency, this is the Administration that tells us we should all be afraid and that we should all go shopping. Or that Iraq is really getting better if you don’t count the collapsing part. Anyway they did away with coherence about the time they got rid of logic but considerably after they decided facts were unimportant and often just got in the way.
I’ve always thought that the contradictory messages were “malice aforethought.” That they wanted to soothe some with one message, energize others with another, and put the fear of god into a third group or person.
There is no logic here. Only propaganda. And the awareness that once something is “out there” it can be repeated and spun ad neuseam - with no regard for any continuity or integration of messages.
It is the utter disregard of others’ opinions, the absolute absence of owing the citizenry anything at all!
perris @ 4
And of course the irony is that the whole idea of such a department came from (drum roll, please) Joe Lieberman.
EPU’d RE: Condi –
The question was brought up if people would be picking on Condi as hard if she were simply a gay white man working for Bush and the homophobic Republican right wing.
My updated answers are:
1) Hell yes!
2) A gay white man in Bush’s cabinet is betraying gays. Condi, by working for people who gained power largely by attacking gays, blacks AND women under the pretext of upholding “values”, is betraying gays, blacks, AND women.
Ed*ard Teller @ 24
Man, that looks good!
Ed*ard Teller @ 24
I wondered if anyone else was thinking along the same lines… Good catch, guys, heh.
JEP @ 7
Ugh!!!!
ccmask @ 16
*blergh* X 4000
JEP @ 7
So now you know why I’m not particulary enamored of Wes Clark!
Not difficult to understand at all.
Confusion reinforces and enhances fear.
Create a boogeyman. Then create confusion about who is the boogeyman. Soon, everyone is a potential boogeyman. And the weak reflexively turn to the Protector.
If Osama didn’t exist, the Bushies would have to invent him.
PW writes:
This is one reason why one should never pay attention to anything that Andrew Sullivan writes or says.
He was one of the biggest proponents of the “flypaper theory” and ridiculed anyone who questioned it.
I’m talking 2003-2004, when it counted. Acknowleding reality in 2007 doesn’t cut it.
allan_in_upstate @ 36
huh. & i thot it was spaghetti on the wall…
Jim Clausen @ 20
Has HoJo gotten to the invading Iran part yet?
In case you haven’t seen the videos of Code Pink disrupting the Heritage Foundation (Kagan etal)…it’s really pretty good:
http://hotair.com/archives/200.....age-event/
Adie @ 23
bummer! :/
Ann in AZ @ 35
I wonder if Hillary promised Clark a cabinet position.
I’m waiting for a Republican to be true to conservative principles and denounce DHS as a wasteful, inefficient bureaucracy that has added no value while squandering billions of tax dollars.
I imagine I’ll be waiting a bit longer.
perris @ 18
Thanks, Perris.
The point I want people to take away from this is that the Bush-destroyed Iraq is not terrorist “flypaper”, but terrorist fertilizer. By destroying Iraq and causing a million deaths and four million uprootings out of a pre-invasion population of around 26 million, Bush has enraged people the world over, and we will be the recipients of that rage.
Shorter version: We will likely be cashing with our blood for a long time the checks Bush is writing.
Phoenix Woman @ 30
But, Condi is NOT betraying her base.
Which is people who do their everday clothes shopping on East 57th Street.
LS @ 40
That was awesome. Kagan and O’Hanlon were there. Of course those two didn’t know a damn thing they were talking about.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 42
If she did it would most likely be State. Defense would be problematic since he was a general.
I don’t think the OBL videos have an effect on the people anymore.
Glenn Beck is scaring everybody more with this story about 17 school buses that were possibly stolen in Houston….They’re gonna attack all of the schools….they’re gonna hold all of our children hostage at the same time all over the country….
How’s this for a scary quote. From United States Senator John McCain:
http://time-blog.com/swampland.....rg_to.html
Ann in AZ @ 35
Arkansas politics, no doubt. wonder what she promised him - defense or state? The part of it that surprises me is that back in January, Clark pissed off some of Clinton’s biggest fundraisers.
Paging AK to the red phone, stat!
http://www.democraticundergrou.....15;2992001
OBL is in a paper bag under the Oval office desk.
The most dangerous man on Earth? I submit not the man in the pix up top, but our very own prez.
I will vote for Hillary Clinton for prez only if I’m forced to. I just love being forced to do something.
Hugh @ 47
As I understand it, there is a set period of time after retiring where a General can not serve as SecDef but after that period has passed, it is OK.
LS @ 39
good on them!
Some argue that Bibi is one of the most dangerous guys in the neighborhood.
burnspbesq @ 42
DHS has to be a cash cow for someone or even microsoft, sun or intel(the chip).
Good Morning Everyone,
May I lift up this Fabulous Work that JEP posted last night:
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JEP says:
September 14th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
..we were on a mission in that
thin-skined old Humveee
The guys just out in front of us,
they hit an IED
We tried to help them in their struggle
To get free…
There must be fifty ways
To leave a bad war
You know it’s really not our habit
To attack
But there’s a lot of oil buried in Iraq
They had it once before,
and now they want it back
There must be
fifty ways to leave a bad war
Fifty ways to leave a bad war
You just jump on a ship, Dick
Forget about the Iran plan
You don’t need to destroy, Roy
Just set our troops free
Hop on the plane, Jane
No need to complain, James
Just get out of Baghdad
And set em’ all free.
You know he came home
having nightmares, wracked with pain
I wish we could go back in time
To change it all again
He said “I appreciate that..
And would you please explain
About the fifty ways
to leave a bad war..”
fifty ways to leave a bad war
And in the darkness of that
fallen angel flight
coffins surround you
and you know it isn’t right
They felt the kiss of death
as they battled through the night
There must be fifty ways
To leave a bad war
Fifty ways to leave a bad war
Wrapped up in a bag, Jack
Laid out on a plank, Hank
completely destroyed, Roy
With a tag on your feet.
Missin’ a limb Slim
Or shot in the head, Jed.
Just one of the wounded, Lee
That’s how it can be.
Because
There must be…
fifty ways to leave a bad war…
Ann in AZ @ 34
Here are some reasons why it might be advantageous to have Hillary as the Dem President:
1. Electing her would be a slap in the face of Bush - he did so much to belittle Clinton; her election would say we want his regime to be erased and back to what it was before he was appointed.
2. Almost more important that a Dem President would be taking both the House and Senate in veto proof numbers - means Democrats would be able to control any “unitary executive” temptations.
3. a Hillary/Rudy competition could put 9/11 in proper perspective; not just a venue for do not much of anything macho Repubs.
4. plus all the acknowledged reasons: time for a woman president, she has depth and connections surpassing any other candidate; Bill is a good asset (the best).
Seriously, number #2 above is the most important - all our candidates are great, but it is essential we control policy.
Waccamaw @ 51
Holy smokes!! He was only 20!!!
Phoenix Woman @ 43
Point made! And I think terrorist fertilizer is an apt description.
LS @ 51
shopping bag? trash? lunch? body?
apologies. sorta. tolerance level for jr&shooter is in deficit territory currently.
dakine01 @ 55
It may be possible but it would not be OK. Any Democrat who becomes President should try to restore the traditional boundaries within government. Civilian control of the military is an important principle and should be protected.
“Minot Air Force Base Airman Died While on Leave.
September 14th, 2007
Remember the one about the B-52 bomber that, according to legend, had six nuclear weapons loaded onto it by accident, which, of course, could not have happened—by accident—for a dozen different reasons, or more.
Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base. He died while on leave in Virginia. No further details have been released.
Was he on duty when those nuclear weapons were loaded onto the B-52, “by accident”? “
The secret IAF foray into Syrian airspace was in fact an Israeli air strike directly linked to a North Korean shipment of suspected nuclear material which was delivered to Syria three days before the attack, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
Let me see if I get this straight. Israel can be armed nuclear wise to the teeth. But no one else in the Middle East can. Well… I suppose that the stems from the Israeli government’s stability.
Hugh @ 64
Just for curiosity sake, why would having a General who has been retired for a number of years as SecDef be a bad thing while many folks believe having one as Pres is a good thing? Or do you believe a retired general should not be allowed to run for President?
Osama, Can You See?…At last, the Goldstein darling of the Neoconservative smart set in a revue of barely contained proportions!
A joint American - Saudi Arabian production, coming to a community dumbshow near you…Limited seating - Don’t let it escape!
;>)
It’s not Wes I object so strenuously to. It’s Hillary.
PW 43
Amen!
Marilyn In Texas @ 59
IMHO, she would turn out to be a Margaret Thatcher. Better than bush but we really need some much much better.
I am sick to death of the undue influence the Israeli government exerts on Republicans and Democrats alike.
I think I will pass on the “Hillary is wonderful” comment I saw above.
Re Condoleezza Rice, Bill Moyers had a long segment on 9/11 produced a few years ago. It was really jarring listening to Rice say in a shrill voice that “No one could have known” or hear her try to talk over a questioner from the 9/11 Commission in a desperate bid to avoid answering his question.
I wrote a long entry in my scandals list about the 9/11 Commission. I do not ascribe to conspiracy theories, but I will say that it has really been largely forgotten how effectively the Bush Administration alternately rolled and stonewalled the Commission in a massive effort to hide its failures.
Oklahome kiddo @ 66
I’m suspicious of the details on this. I can’t help but doubt the authenticity of the information about the Iranian and North Korean connections to the arming of Syria going beyond basic weaponry, like missiles and communication equipment. None of this “nuclear threat” stuff came out until the Turks complained about the Israeli bombers violating THEIR airspace last week and dumping spent fuel tanks on Turkish soil - not an act of war, but a clear violation of existing agreements between the Israelis and Turks. I smell at least two or three rats here, OKK…
Bill Maher said last night that he thinks the repubs have been pushing Hillary because they think they can beat her. But, he went on, she’s getting stronger and stronger and they may be re-thinking their strategy and wondering if they should instead be pushing for “the black guy”.
Bottom line. If the election is honest, the next president will be a democrat.
darkblack @ 67
lol, signing in the rein?
Ed*ard Teller @ 9
I think it was earlier, pre 9-11. You can’t have an alive boogey man if you plan on using him for 6 years.
dakine01 @ 67
That is a strawman.
No more Bush. No more Clinton. HRC seems to think her years as First Lady qualifies her to be prez. Bullshit. I’ll take Edwards.
Oklahome kiddo @ 69
Hillary is the good cop to Bush’s bad cop, IMO…The corporate agenda is mutually shared.
Marilyn In Texas @ 60
hilary is the best chance the republicans have of winning the election
I am hoping she is not the person we field
There are ‘d’emocrats. And there are “Democrats”.
Jim Clausen @ 20
I last 3 minutes. Then he puts on that “aren’t I just the cutest senator” smile, and then I stick the fork in myself (which I keep handy by the remote).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
And Lordie! help the pups who try to link together the ongoing wars, even here.
RonD @ 8
Key ingredient for any such fascist coup is the false flag attack — Reichstag fire, Twin Towers attack…The question is, can this particular criminal gang currently encamped in the White House pull off another one?
darkblack @ 80
Amen!, uh - Ding!LS @ 61
must post snippet
Hugh @ 78
Hugh, with all due respect, I do not think that is a strawman argument. It is a valid question. The president is the Commander in Chief of the armed Forces. The SecDef works for the President (as well as the American public).
Why is having a retired General who has been retired for X number of years as SecDef a bad thing but it’s OK for a retired general to be President.
I for one, think either situation is acceptable but you don’t and I’m curious as to why is all.
Hi OKK.
Just curious.
What to you think of Dodd?
Ed*ard Teller @ 86
It’s working out very well for those interests, no?
;>)
Adie @ 89
I like Senator Dodd. And I think he would make a good president.
I see her as the next Richard Nixon.
The war will be wound down much slower than any of us want; there will be a fairly liberal set of domestic policies; the assaults on our civil liberties will commence in the shadows at a much slower pace than currently.
Compared to what we have now, or what the current crop of gooper buffoons would inflict upon us — I’m sad to say I’d have to take Hill.
My guy Kucinich has no shot.
Adie @ 89
Not that I was asked, but, I like Dodd. Unfortunately, what’s holding him back is electability. That may change.
Oklahome kiddo @ 69
The She-Lieberman.
How, in policy terms, is she all that different from Guliani? Both pro-choice, pro-invasion, right?
darkblack @ 90