From Brave New Films…a little lobbying background on Fred Thompson and the asbestos industry.
It seems the Beltway conservative crowd has its collective nose out of joint. The Frederick of Hollywood (H/T digby) roll-out has been bumpier than a rent-by-the-hour hotel room mattress. From George Will:
Is there, however, a huge cash value in the role for which he is auditioning — darling of religious conservatives? Perhaps. But their aspiring darling recently said in South Carolina, “I attend church when I’m in Tennessee. I’m in McLean right now. I don’t attend regularly when I’m up there.”
“Right now”? He has been living “up there” in that upscale inside-the-Beltway Washington suburb, honing his “Aw, shucks, I’m just an ol’ Washington outsider” act, for years. Long enough to have noticed that McLean is planted thick with churches….
Comparing Floppy Fred to the ”New Coke” fiasco, you can mark Will in the “not so impressed” column. Ditto that for Bob Novak:
Thompson’s late start is not in itself a fatal flaw. Still, it had been conceded in party circles that when Thompson finally became a candidate, his beginning needed to be memorable. It was not.
Tepid is an understatement. (Do note the poke at Mary “Quite Contrary” Matalin. Amusing — has the Prince of Darkness worn out his welcome with the Cheney set once again?)
They just haven’t developed a full-bodied appreciation for the “leadership” that is Fred. Such as:
– Via Huffington Post:
Thompson was asked in an interview for Bay News 9’s “Political Connections” program whether he thought Congress’ intervention to save the life of the brain-damaged woman two years ago was appropriate.
“I can’t pass judgment on it. I know that good people were doing what they thought was best,” Thompson said. “That’s going back in history. I don’t remember the details of it.”
Maybe if they’d asked him about L&Os “Age Of Innocence” episode, he would have had a clue. Ahem.
– From Carpetbagger:
Fred Thompson says a top challenge for the next president is fixing Social Security. Asked how his ideas for overhauling the system differ from those of George W. Bush, the actor and former Tennessee senator says: “I don’t even remember the details of his plan.”
This despite the fact that Fred’s plan was, essentially, the Bush plan.
–From Medical News Today:
DeSarno has said that in 1991, NFPRHA hired Thompson to urge the George H.W. Bush administration to withdraw or relax a federal policy on funding restrictions for clinics that provided abortion-related counseling. Minutes from a NFPRHA board meeting on Sept. 14, 1991, reportedly state that the group had “hired Fred Thompson Esq. as counsel to aid us in discussions with the administration” on the abortion-counseling policy.
Thompson in a column posted July 11 on the blog Power Line said he does not remember but will not dispute evidence alleging that he lobbied for NFPRHA….
Anyone else detecting a pattern of convenient amnesia when Frederick of Hollywood faces a difficult question? Haven’t we all had enough dodge and phony show to last a lifetime with the Bushies? I’m with dday:
History? That was TWO YEARS ago. I know that those hazy, sepia-toned days of 2005 are barely recalled at all (does Google even go back that far?), but I think a candidate for President should have a memory that goes a bit beyond that morning’s breakfast.
We already have a President with absolutely no sense of history. This candidate has no sense of CURRENT history. Don’t ask Freddie about the Petraeus hearings, I mean, that was MONDAY.
Gingko biloba manufacturers unite for Frederick of Hollywood? News at 11.
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Christy!
Christy!
gimmee!
since i was epu’d, tis only fair.
Frederick of Hollywood…the moniker was PERFECT the first time I saw it. Seems to only grow on him, too. Heh.
This is a mild quibble but as I understand it, the given name on his birth certificate is “Freddie” and calling him “Freddie of Hollywood” just sounds a bit more condescending.
Just my $.02
Definite poseur.
Give him a film role — he’ll be too busy to campaign. (How does he remember all those lines?)
Damn, I’ve had enough of these forget-me-always politicos…
dang!
sorry. i can read some, but not “talk” about freddie without acidreflux problums.
so i’ll repeat – pushy me.
our bluebirds fledged yestidie YAYYYYYY!
all 5 independent.
hey politicians, take a clue!
Sorry(well, maybe not so much) but the new Froomkin is up:Link
Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark. :)
The “real” real scandal! 1 million dead Iraqi people, closing in on 4ooo American soldiers dead, thousands injured, millions of refugees all consequences of an unnecessary war.
The pushers of this war are all still running free.
That is the REAL SCANDAL
Ah, but he remembered his role in leaking info from the Watergate investigations to Nixon when he was on the committee when he wrote his book…he remembered THAT far back.
Frederick of Hollywood is perfect for a guy who’s going to be playing the Gooper ‘dignity’ card.
He’s got a reputation amongst Goopers (which you’ll hear after they’ve had a drink or two) for being l-a-z-y, too.
I don’t see the problem. Fred Thompson is one self-entitled dope in a party of self-entitled dopes.
Re: Asbestos/Thompson
“Thompson’s client, London-based Equitas Ltd., held billions of dollars to pay off claims from people sickened by asbestos, a once-common building material. It wanted Congress to limit how much it had to pay into a trust fund to cover those liabilities.
In an earlier era, the term of art for what Thompson did would have been “foreign agent.” But a law change in 1995 allowed lobbyists for foreign companies to register simply as run-of-the-mill lobbyists, which permitted them to sidestep detailed disclosure requirements about their activities and to avoid the politically charged “agent” designation.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02078.html
From Christy’s Law & Order “Age of Innocence” episode link above:
Yep. Bumps and potholes…
OT, but the UC Irvine/Erwin Chemerinsky story is proving to have long and strong legs.
Page A1, above the fold, in the LA Times for the second day in a row.
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo…..ome-center
People who know the chancellor are saying that this is so out of character for him that it MUST be the result of external pressure, but the Regents and Bren are both saying “it wasn’t us.”
The faculty senate is on the warpath.
Some are even saying that the scheduled 2009 opening of the law school will have to be postponed.
It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out, but I think the job is once again Erwin’s–if he wants it after this fiasco.
I wonders, I does, if’n the next step is gettin’ everyone to want to have Fred over for a beer and BBQ.
It’s the republican Modus Operandi: Empty suit, Daddy Figure, bonus points if they have a southern accent (or can convincingly fake it).
I don’t know if this is off topic or not but I want to thank Scarecrow for his post on IMPEACHMENT this morning.
He is exactly right.
The Democrats need to impeach Fuckwad’s ass
and they need to get started RIGHT NOW.
No matter what the outcome.
Sorry for shouting, except I’m not sorry.
I hope it didn’t hurt anybody’s ears.
It’s BEEN memorable. Just not, perhaps, quite the way they intended ;-)
War Against Iran and the Logic of Dominance
By Gareth Porter
09/13/07
http://www.informationclearing…..e18371.htm
Important…must read
http://www.informationclearing…..e18374.htm
Was a Covert Attempt to Bomb Iran with Nuclear Weapons foiled by a Military Leak?
By Michael E. Salla, M.A., Ph.D.
link fixed by mod
Anbar made an organ grinder out of Bush and a monkey out of Petraeus.
Thompson’s just dropping his money in the cup marked “Convinced by Happy Talk.”
Oh my. From the comments so far, looks as if Freddie thinks he can get thru a whole campaign saying only, “I don’t recall.”
Posuer or sci-fi monster?
You decide.
http://www.dependablerenegade……/hmmm.html
Remember Nixon?
“Vice President Cheney has taken a very prominent role in covert military operations and training exercises designed for the “seamless integration” of different national security and military authorities to possible terrorist attacks. On May 8, 2001, President Bush placed Mr. Cheney in charge of “[A]ll federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction, consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies”. LINK. Mr. Cheney subsequently played a direct role in supervising training exercises that simultaneously occurred during the 911 attacks.
According to former Los Angeles Police Officer Michael Ruppert, Mr. Cheney had a parallel chain of command that he used to override Air Force objections to stand down orders that grounded the USAF during the 911 attacks, LINK.
Mr. Ruppert learned that the Secret Service had the authority to directly communicate presidential and vice presidential orders to fighter pilots in the air thereby circumventing the normal chain of command. (Crossing the Rubicon, pp. 428 – 429). Furthermore: “It is the Secret Service who has the legal mandate to take supreme command in case of a scheduled major event – or an unplanned major emergency – on American soil; these are designated “National Special Security Events”.LINK.”
fahrender @ 20
naah. keep it ON the table, and shout it out!
I no longer subscribe to the notion that “politics is the art of compromise”. And speaker Pelosi, I’m angry with you.
Law and Order is ripped from the headlines.
Frederick of Hollywood is ripped by the headlines.
wonder if Keith or Chris will be reporting about this story tonight?
http://www.informationclearing…..e18374.htm
On the theory that it is never off topic to criticize Tom Friedman,
PBS had some special about what led to 9/11. In an ad for it, they had Friedman talking over newsreel shots that we were never interested in what happened in the Middle East we just wanted the oil to flow. Like so many things Friedman says, it seems to make sense for about 30 seconds. But Friedman conveniently forgets our overthrowing Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, our sparring with Nasser, our support of Israel in the 1967 and 1973 wars, the OPEC oil embargo, Palestinian terrorist attacks in the ’70s, our support of Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran, and something called the First Gulf War. Yes indeed, we were as hands off their affairs as they were in ours all until 9/11.
Oh, Hugh, that whole Nasser thing was so last century, don’t you know. *g*
A military “coup” taking place?
“The forthcoming September 14 U.S. Air Force report will likely describe the B-52 incident as an “error” and an “isolated incident” as foreshadowed in the September 6 Press Statement. This will create some difficulty in exposing the actual role played by Cheney and any other government figures that supported him. There will be a need for continued public awareness of the true events behind the B-52 incident in order to expose the actual role of Mr. Cheney. Only in that way can Cheney be held accountable for his actions, and other government figures that supported his neo-conservative agenda be exposed. Regardless of whether Cheney’s role as the prime architect of the B-52 incident is exposed to the public, the official backlash against his covert operation should force his resignation. In either case, a very dangerous public official would be removed from a powerful position of influence. More importantly, the world has been spared a devastating nuclear war by courageous American airmen who revealed the true contents of an otherwise routine B-52 landing at Barksdale, AFB headed for a covert nuclear mission to the Middle East.”
We may not have a memory of history, but we have a Memory of the Future.
“Significantly, public officials briefed about the true circumstances of the B-52 incident will almost certainly place enormous pressure on Vice President Cheney to immediately resign if it is found that he played the role identified above. It is therefore anticipated that in a very short time, the public will learn that Cheney has resigned for health resigns.”
I want to believe this.
Even Tricky Dick didn’t think F of H was very smart. So not very smart lazy conveniently memory-impaired = perfect presidential candidate (perfect fodder to mold the way they want him)
And I’m sick to death hearing Hillary drone on about how her years as first lady qualifies her to be prez.
burnspbesq @ 18
Definitely OT, but yes, quite interesting. I think the best case scenario for UCI is this: Drake resigns, UCI re-offer’s the job to C. who will almost certainly refuse it, and then on down to the next. Problem is of course that’s not Drake’s best option for himself, but without that, then who on earth would accept the deanship at this point, unless it was someone as problematic as, say Dave Irvine, in the other direction.
I agree that it’s very out of character for Drake, and I would love to know what prompted him to do something so unprofessional but I suspect we’ll never know.
Eastman, the Chapman professor who debates with C. weekly (the right to C’s left) has said that he was surprised & disappointed, and heck, if C wants to come to Chapman, maybe Chapman can make an offer, they’d love him. Now wouldn’t THAT be interesting?
Anyway, does look like it has legs. I hope so, becasue this kind of academic integrity can’t be compromised the way that Drake just did.
The other interesting aspect to this story is if you look at the conservatives: All the conservative *scholars* such as Eastman, are crying foul over the termination of C’s contract. All of the conservative voices in support of the termination are *politicians*.
The very interesting thing is the identification of an LA County Supervisor who objected to C’s being the dean. I don’t get that part at all (source, article in today’s OC Register).
Fascinating.
OK, sorry, back to Freddie…
Froomkin’s on fire with another poseur: It Came From Planet Bush.
Busted @ 25
LOL! (I’ll take the Creature over Freddie. It looks so much more alive and healthy.)
pb @ 39
I’d bet it was supervisor Antonovich, who is just to the left of Attila.
Kathleen @ 31
Holy S**t
OT [but related to the previous thread]
Mr. NJP read the big profile of Jack Goldsmith in this past Sunday’s NY Times Magazine “The Conscience of a Conservative”. Mr. NJP’s take: David Addington wants to do away with the Bill of Rights to enhance the president’s power. Jack Goldsmith wants to do away with the Bill of Rights to enhance the president’s power, but he wants Congress and the Courts to agree to it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 38
Ok K read this
http://www.informationclearing…..e18374.htm
Hillary the health care czar who takes money from the insurance industry.
Kathleen @ 27
Thank you, Kathleen.
Five Cheney-directed anti-terror training exercises on one day: the day the terrorists actually struck.
What are the chances of that?
On 7/7/05 a private company was running anti-terror exercises in London at precisely the same locations where the bombs went off.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..icleId=821
What are the chances of that?
Oh Freddie is simply trying to play Ronald Reagan, who also didn’t remember much of anything, even before his alzheimers.
P J Evans @ 42
Yeah, but WTF does an LA County Supervisor, considering that UCI is a) in Orange County and b) not freaking somehow “answerable” to any county employee anyway cos they’re STATE, have to do with whining about who they’re hiring and why should UCI even listen to it? I mean, it’s bizarre. I should think that the guy could be tossed off his job for that kind of interference.
Cheney in Russert interview 9/16/2001:
“We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We’ve got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we’re going to be successful. That’s the world these folks operate in, and so it’s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective.”
njprogressive @ 44
Oh my god. How’s about we freaking chop the preznit’s power off at the KNEES?
This unitary executive theory needs to die a thorough, complete, stake-thru-the-heart-and-head-chopped-off DEATH.
Bah!
Toby Wollin @ 43
I have heard things out of folks mouths who are in the military that have blown my mind the last five years. I have thought for quite some time from things that these “true patriots” have said, and with Wilkerson,Zinni, Wesley Clark, Pace and more indicating that there might be a “military coup” all ready going on.
Impeachment or a coup by true patriots maybe the only way to stop these criminals
This has been out there for days…
Nothing has changed. There is a secret shadow government run by the same people as before. Watch this little clip of the 1987 Shadow Goverment series by Bill Moyers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
I was not aware of the the UC-Irvine law school affair. It does seem a little odd that a chancellor in order to avoid a damaging public controversy proceeds to precipitate one. The chancellor Drake didn’t want to tarnish the establishment of the law school so he does something that blows its reputation skyhigh even before it comes into being. Lots of unexplained backstory here.
Biodun @ 53
Today is the day of the stand down. I think it was a whistleblower who made it public, and the real USAF took action to review what the heck is going on. Something was definitely out of order and amiss. This could sink Cheney, if he authorized it, because he has that authority.
LS @ 56
God I hope so.
Kathleen @ 31
I have not had goose bumps this big since the 2000 election when I woke up at 5 a.m (fell asleep next to the radio at 3 a.m.) with NPR blaring the “Yellow Rose of Texas” the morning after the 2000 election. I thought I was in an episode of the Twilight Zone.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article
18374.htm
folks if this is true this is huge
Freddy, your so silly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqi6o-pRb9Q
Was Fred Thompson a B-52 pilot?
peanutbutter @ 57
The part that Cheney may be forced to resign?
Kathleen @ 61
Um, yes :-) I hope the rest of it isn’t at all true, but if it is, and Cheney’s the one that authorized it, I hope this blows him out. As opposed to being smoothed over, which is what I’m afraid will happen…
Have the front runners spoken up about the Bush bomb (speech) last night? Or are they still busy with their consultants?
njprogressive @ 44
As Comey showed with Padilla, both he and Goldsmith are dyed in the wool conservatives who don’t mind if Constitutional protections are trampled on just as long as it is done “by the rules”.
Biodun @ 53
I can’t make up my mind which of the top 4 goopers will make the most consistently amusing standard bearer.
Freddie the moron skirt chaser is my personal favorite of the moment, followed closely by Rudy Mussolini, with Slick Mitt and Angry John further back in the pack.
In a just world (sigh) ‘08 would be Dennis Kucinich vs Ron Paul…
That Deep Modem Mystery poster predicted something was going to go down and Cheeeeneee would be forced to resign. It was just before the nuke story – he said Cheney would step down in 3 weeks and to mark the calendar…interesting if that really happened. I’m not counting on it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
Bush looked beat, Edwards was clear, fresh and hopefully honest “no timeline, no funding, no excuses”
I’d love to be wrong but:
Like impeachment, Cheney being forced to resign ain’t gonna happen.
Biodun @ 53
Not this expanded speculation on Cheney’s role. I have thought for a while that a coup is a realistic possibility. Only it will take the form of Cheney’s resignation and few will know it was a coup.
Oh I want some accountability all right. But not just from Bush and Cheney. From Nancy and Harry too.
At 65 I meant to add that The B-52 story has been out there for days, but not the indepth, backstory that Kathleen keeps referring to. It seems that this could really be the stake that goes through Cheney’s heart of power.
Biodun @ 69
He’s got a “spell” on him…ya never know…
More integrity in the media..ouch
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0913.html
Kathleen @ 68
Mr. Edwards’ little talk was, going-away,the best thing about last night.
Just what are Freddie of Hollywood’s chances?
Where’s Cheney?
http://www.swamppolitics.com/n……html#more
peanutbutter @ 49
County supervisors are elected officials. Antonovich has been in office since I was in law school at USC–which was before Erwin started teaching there (God, I’m old).
LS @ 73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORSzfw8FE-o
Oklahoma kiddo @ 71
I’ll take what I get. And frankly, Boosh and Cheney are doing far more damage…
Kathleen @ 36
Kathleen,
I must be on another planet. What exactly does this refer to? I faintly recall reading something about some misplaced nuclear weapons, but not in the context of B-52s. Could you bring me (and maybe some others) up to speed?
Thanks
Knut Wicksell @ 81
The references are pretty much to this story: Was a Covert Attempt to Bomb Iran with Nuclear Weapons foiled by a Military Leak?
The part about the planes themselves have been known for a few days (and is why the standown today). But this story fills in much more background.
How credible it is, I don’t know.
Cliff Varnell @ 47
You forget to mention that it was reported that Netanyahu was warned before London, then the AP reversed itself:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/317252.html
Amy’s interview with Rev Lennox Yearwood
http://www.swamppolitics.com/n……html#more
I did not know that Yearwood had been in the Air Force
Sorry here is the link for Democracy now with the Yearwood interview
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..13/1445202
brendan @ 70:
This was posted on September 7, 2007:
My bold. The speculations began right then… As you well know, Cheney has been gunning for Iran for a while.
Biodun @ 76
The Democrats in Cali thought that Ronald Reagan didn’t have a ghost of a chance to become Guv. They made the same mistake on their assessment of RR’s chances of ever becoming prez.
Biodun:
I was familiar with that speculation. But this is a new speculation, and a completely different one.
peanutbutter @ 80
Frankly I would like to see new Democratic Party leaders. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
Well, things are a bit different with Freddie here. First of all, he looks like he’s gonna keel over. RR was a handsome dude who looked great even though he was probably older than Thompson is now when he ran for presidency.
A *lot* of it is about looks. I don’t think Thompson cuts the mustard here.
OT, earlier thread:
pow wow added long comment to previous “partition” discussion on Scarecrow’s last thread.
peanutbutter @ 90
Perhaps we shall just have to disagree. ;0)
OKK @ 87:
Just what I was thinking…
Biodun @ 86
Hello,
Sorry if someone else mentioned this already. Fellow firepup Al the Spook wrote a lengthy and knowledgeable post on his blog just recently. Here you go in case you missed it:
From Al the Spook
brendan @ 88:
See my addendum @ the end of 86.
pb @ 49
He has chops in the CA ‘Publican party. And I’ve been voting against him for years. (The supes have big salaries, big perqs, and apparently not much to do but approve budgets. Antonovich is one who repeatedly blocks changes intended to make them more responsive and less powerful.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 92
If you are right and Thompson wins the presidency, I will personally fly over to your place and treat you to your drink of your choice at your establishment of your choice ;-)
Winning the “hearts and minds” of the Iraqi people.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091407E.shtml
Civilian Death Toll in Iraq May Top One Million
By Tina Susman
The Los Angeles Times
Considering that Monday is the last day on the job for Alberto “I can’t remember” Gonzales, it was necessary for someone on the Republican party to latch onto that mantra before it fell into disuse.
I don’t think Fred has missed a chance to make a blunder. The Terri Shiavo question should not have been ducked as badly as it was. That one called for a long-winded could-have-been-handled-better respect-for-all-life type answers. And the church question? Please. “I go as often as I can.” How hard would that have been? Playing hard to get doesn’t work very well with the Evangelical set. Just ask John McCain. I still think Huckabee has the best chance at the nom.
Proof that the troops are dying for Bush’s oil buddy profits:
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/9/14/9380/04464
“There he goes again”.
U.S. official: North Korean atom experts visited Syria
“Syria was on the U.S. nuclear watch list,” a senior U.S. official told the Associated Press on Friday, asserting that foreign technicians were in the country and that there had been possible contacts with suppliers for nuclear equipment.
The former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, said North Korea may be using Syria and Iran as “safe havens” for its nuclear activity, and another U.S. official was quoted as saying Damascus may be building a nuclear facility with North Korean assistance.
Just what power does Mr. Bolton still hold?
Kathleen @ 98
You know, I think this is where the “Sins of the fathers will be visited on the children” will apply. Because we’ve accomplished nothing other than guaranteeing the next several generations, if not more, of Iraqi will hate us. Our children will deal with this long after we’re gone.
do-si-do @ 94:
Yep. Al the Spook posted on September 10, 2007. As I said, it’s been out there for a while… (See also the updates and the comments.)
Biodun @ 104
We’re still within the three week window for Cheney’s resignation, then. One can hope :)
peanutbutter @ 103
Making us safer. What a tragedy
Knut Wicksell @ 81
Here’s a link to the CNN article as it first came out.
Bolton recently told Haaretz that United States President George W. Bush warned North Korea last year against transferring nuclear material to Syria, Iran or a terrorist organization, saying such a move would be perceived as a “grave threat.”
In an interview on Fox News on Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in response to a question on reports of Syrian nuclear development, that her government is working to prevent “the world’s most dangerous people from having the world’s most dangerous weapons.”
Rice did not refer directly to Syria at any point, but said, “That’s why we have a Proliferation Security Initiative that tries to intercept dangerous cargos. So this is something that’s been at the highest point of the President’s agenda since he came into power and we work every day and we watch it every day and we’re vigilant about it and we’re determined.”
peanutbutter @ 105
Jeb for VP! The Republics dream of “All Bush All The Time” can still come true!
many in the world view the Bush Administration as containing the most dangerous people on Earth.
BTW, speculations about Cheney’s possible role in the B52 business are the same: his possible involvement, made by different people. The one that triggered this mini-debate (that Kathleen linked to) is simply the most recent. That’s my point.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
But Bush pretends to pray, so many in the world view him as just like themselves…well, maybe not many…there has to be a couple of people.
Kathleen @ 84
He was an officer. Perhaps a chaplain?
Anybody know any exotic pickled beet recipes? I’m getting ready to pickle, and don’t want to do normal.
36 minus one. Iceland decides to pull out its, um, troop:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004189.php
OT, but FYI, for the first time I saw the story about the death of two of the seven that wrote the op-ed in the NYT entitled “The War as We Saw It” on CNN this morning. It’s a complete puzzlement to me how or why the MSM has been so silent about this.
brendan @ 88
The same speculation, only from a different source… (See my 111.)
I’m not trying to be picky here…*g*
Biodun @ 104
Thanks. I’m with you. Just reposting for benefit of others catching up.
sigh. I’m really freaked out about how Bushco has hijacked our country.
If the Republicans win again in 2008, they are going to take it as a mandate. Of course the question becomes; a mandate to do what?
Biodun @ 111
It’s a pretty obvious conclusion. He’d get an order written up, then hand it to Shrub to sign, probably in a stack of papers, and there you are. I think that Shrub is dim enough to sign stuff without reading it first, or even glancing at it to see what it’s about. This assumes the autopen wasn’t involved. (No, my bad, Shrub is an autopen. [/snark])
brendan (just so you know):
I always enjoy our exchanges and mini-debates. They’re productive and make me do more research.
Ed*ard Teller @ 114
Do the normal, but add crushed red pepper flakes, a bit of dill and celery seed (easy does it), to taste. And use apple cider vinegar or pineapple vinegar and a bit of corn syrup and a little corn starch.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 122
Wow. I’m not one for beets, pickled or otherwise, but that sounds good…
Ed*ard Teller @ 114
I have one, called “cwikla”, but it involves a vinaigrette, not pickling.
Biodun @ 121
It’s good to hear that one of us is doing research.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 122
I’m already thinking along those lines. My Thai pepper plant has about 300 peppers. They’re just barely getting red, but they’re pretty hot. So maybe I could substitute those for the crushed pepper flakes. Thanks.
Meanwhile, back on topic (how did that happen?):
Freddie of Hollywood joins the pack in blaming Clinton:
The 2008 elections could prove volatile. A dark horse may emerge. Speaking for myself, as to who doesn’t have a chance, the view here is to err on the side of caution, as to who the GOP nominee might be.
BTW,
I hate this goddam fucking war. All 17 years of it. The article Kathleen links to in #98 scratches the surface, but we’ve killed close to 2 million Iraqis since Apryl Glaspie encouraged Saddam to invade Kuwait back in July, 1990.
Ed*ard Teller @ 126
That would be good I think. But I tend to like extremely hot (spicy) food.
Make cinnamon pickles Ed. Old fashioned, yet exotic today.
Israel gave protection to the Sabra and Shatilla massacre.
Twenty-five years ago this week since the massacre at the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra-Shatilla.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
By our invasion of Iraq we created an enviroment for a genocide to take place.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 128
I told my father-in-law in May that whoever wins at least one of the nominations was not running at the time. I stand by that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 128
I for one would vote for a horse of any color over any of the Republican candidates, and maybe Hillary.
Fred Thompson seems like a lumbering, bungling, buffoon…lacking important brain cells, evidently.
Ed*ard Teller @ 129
I definitely share your sentiments here. What a mess this country’s in…and how did we get here from there?
Biodun @ 127
Well, what an idiot to spew that original quote. Many Cubans vote Republican…
His bag o’ tricks is as old as he is.
“I don’t recall”
and
“I blame Clinton”
sheesh.
Ed*ward Teller:
I’ll give it to you anyway. Take about four large, raw, beets, cover with oil, bake covered with the skins on for two hours at 400, let cool a few hours, peel, grate, add light oil, cider vinegar, caraway seed, optionally a spoonful or two of sugar, juice of one lemon and, most importantly horseradish, refrigerate.
I have said before that I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. I have never voted for a Repug in my life. It’s just that…I would rather vote for someone else…besides Hillary.
how did we get here? by electing a bullyboy for president or should i say bullyboy stole the WH with help from the “supremes”
Bush is on his way to Camp David for weekend of golf after a hard week of work with this Iraq thing. Needs to unwind. He hopes Americans can get behind his strategy while he’s enjoying his walks through the woods. He said, “Iraq’s more difficult than I thought. The Generals are dealing with it. They’re going to let me know how it turns out.”
OKK @ 130:
I was brought up on extremely hot spicy food. That’s one of the reasons I loved about living in Sichuan Province in mainland China.
ot – footage on cnn of gonzo’s goodbye ceremony…
Biodun @ 136
Madness simply madness!
GeorgeSimian @ 141
He’s gettin’ outta town, before the protesters start their week long protests starting tomorrow.
twolf1 @ 142
Bye Gone-zo, and “please don’t let the door hit you on the way out…”
Biodun @ 146
It’s live on CSPAM1
ET: this one’s for you:
ReddHedd havin’ a snark fest.
Why do I think Frederick of Hollywood’s entrance into the race is going to provide me with hours and hours of entertaing gigglefits?
Kathleen @ 31
Drive by …
That’s only the tip of the iceberg. Someone else linked to Alfred’s post and it even goes much deeper than that … it’s not even conspiratorial to say that, when you know what procedures were breached in order for them to be “accidentally” loaded. If I can get enough time later I’m going to do a blog on it, but first I’ll have to sort through about 30 different links I’ve dug up to flesh it out
L8r
twolf1 @ 143
Don’t think I have the stomach for that…
And Rudy scores with our next AG:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
And thats a fact
looseheadprop @ 149
If we have to put up with TV stars running for office, couldn’t it at least be a TV star with a brain, like, for instance, Hill Harper?
twolf1 @ 143
He should have been escorted out in the dark of night or the very early hours of the morning!
For Friday afternoon-lite:
That has to be a big letdown for Abu: to realize that never again in your life will you have the opportunity to FU an institution as big and as important as the DOJ. The rest of his life is anti-climax. Thank G*d, his memory is so bad he won’t remember any of it.
looseheadprop @ 149
Perhaps the Republics should reconcider Dan Quayle.
Doesn’t it seem like now that Fred is in the race, he’s disappeared from the headlines and everybody hates him?
brendan @ 88
Exactly my point
Frank Probst @ 100
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, but on the church question, there’s a clear comparison to Bush. The obvious conclusion is that you can never go to church and still gain the strong support of the religious right if you’re just willing to lie about it.
(Personally, I find it kind of refreshing that Thompson apparently doesn’t have the instinct to lie about things that will get him into trouble with the base. It won’t get him the nomination, of course, but it’s better than the alternative.)
Hugh @ 157
Remember when he said his worst days are better than his father’s best days? I ask again: What kind of son is that? His assertion is deeper than Oedipus.
Biodun @ 156
This reminds me of the comment of the Narn G’Kar from Babylon 5:
Have the bells finished peeling all over DoJ, yet?
brendan @ 138
Sounds delicious.
Kathleen @ 160
See my 111, and do-si-do @ 118, and john in sacramento @ 150.
Er, just to clarify, I meant to say that I shouldn’t be surprised that the press hasn’t made the comparison to Bush.
Ann in AZ @ 155
He should have been frog-marched out…
No more Bush personal lawyers for AG!
Biodun @ 69
I hope you have to eat your words, I know you want to eat them.
LS @ 145
Yep. He always runs and hides when The People come to town.
Biodun @ 166
got it.
Biodun @ 86
Sorry for coming in late on all this. But is there any real evidence linking this to shooter?
Thompson ought to feel right at home.
Hollywood is abuzz!!!
…guess who’s back in the news!!!
No, this time its not Brittney, it isn’t Paris, it isn’t even a drunk blonde bimbo.
O.J. is BAAACCKKK! He’s in the news for burglarizing a room n Vegas.
I figured that something like this was coming, that once the Shiite hit the fan, they’d drag Michael Jackson out of the closet. But who needs Michael Jackson when you got OJ?
All that’s missing is a Ford Bronco.
Maybe they are saving that for the next Bush disaster. Olberman needs to do a lexus/nexus piece on Hollywood crazies and how they always seem to pop up when we need to be focusing on reality.
Redshift @ 161
Being a Republic, he probably does have the instinct to lie. He’s most likely not fast enough on his feet to lie convincingly, being as old as he is. He needs to be wired up and fed lines.
ed teller at 114-Anybody know any exotic pickled beet recipes? I’m getting ready to pickle, and don’t want to do normal.
–i have a red beet salad that you ‘can’……….take me a minute to type it up…….from a recipe book that an amish place uses for their stuff they sell……….
“But is there any real evidence linking this to shooter?”
Are his lips moving?
LS @ 50
Which to Cheney’s team means, destroying our constitution, destroying Iraq and millions of peoples lives all for the interest of controlling the oil resources for the next “hundred” years or so.
Richmond @ 173
Not yet. But speculations are aplenty. See all the comments, especially me @ 166.
peanutbutter @ 123
Pineapple vinegar????
here ya go ed teller
from The Practical Produce Cookbook
Recipes compiled by Ray and Elsie Hoover and family
Stratford, WI
(note from dayna-GREAT a-z vegetable cookbook, highly recommend)
Red Beet Salad to can
12 red beets
1/2 bunch celery
1 small head of cabbage-shredded
6 peppers, chopped
3 onions, chopped
3 c vinegar
1 1/2 c red beet juice (from boiling them)
4 c sugar
pepper to taste
cook whole red beets appx 40 minutes; peel and grate. Cook celery 3-4 minutes. Prepare the vegetables and combine them in a large kettle with remaining ingredients. Boil until the vegetables are tender. Pack hot into jars. Adjust lids and rings; process in boiling water canner for 15 minutes.
Yield: approximately 10 pints
LS @ 135
well, then, he won’t be much different than what we’ve got now.
Ann in AZ @ 116
Two died in a truck crash (not bomb, crash) and I read that a third (a woman) was shot in the head. Has anyone else heard about the 3rd?
Biodun @ 179
Thanks Biodun etc. That’s pretty HEAVY!
Kathleen @ 36
Link?
burnspbesq @ 18
God only knows what they were thinking out there. Even conservatives are coming to his defense. What could be so terrible about having a noted constitutional law scholar as dean of a law school unless the regents are going to use the Cheney version of the constitution. Then they might have to go to Pepperdine and recruit Ken Starr for the job. He’d be familiar with that truncated document.
njprogressive @ 44
I’ll agree with that analysis.
Cliff Varnell @ 47
And on October 15th there will be terrorist drills in Washington DC.
That should be the day no one goes to work, at least not in any tall buildings that have any sort of national significance.
peanutbutter @ 51
It only started dying in the Soviet Union when Stalin died. Even then it took 31 more years to really start gasping for breath there.
twolf1 @ 60
I think the only joystick he ever used is carried in his pants with two attachments.
Kathleen @ 132
How exactly were the massacres in Sabra and Shatilla in 1982, which began on 15 September, caused by the US invading Iraq?
Biodun @ 152
I know I’m alone down here but I don’t give a shit.
Ted Olsen has been bundling contributions for Giuliani’s campaign so it is no secret that Rudy would be pulling for him, would it?
Kathleen @ 27
Shocking, isn’t it? Besides, since when has the Secret Service had resources and training to handle a national emergency?
So many things need to be investigated and revealed (and probably fixed).
Ed*ard Teller @ 129
Maybe it goes back even further. If someone in our government okayed the shipment of oil drilling equipment to Kuwait, aimed specifically at drilling on a slant into Iraqi oil supplies, then we’ve been complicit even before 1990.