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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/14/bush-is-holding-the-troops-hostage-to-success/#comment-968002</link>
		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Bartoo @ 130 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for that exquisite commentary.  You speak the truth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Thank you for that exquisite commentary.  You speak the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-965963&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JML @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I haven’t checked the others yet but the comments on Hillary’s statement on her website are entirely adulatory along the lines of “When you are President these wrongs will be righted…” May I suggest that some fire pups visit and leave some comments of substance about what she is going to do as a senator in 2007 to end this madness in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moving on to Obama…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does Obama stand for anything Senator Joseph “Joe” Lieberman doesn’t?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-965963"><em>JML @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I haven’t checked the others yet but the comments on Hillary’s statement on her website are entirely adulatory along the lines of “When you are President these wrongs will be righted…” May I suggest that some fire pups visit and leave some comments of substance about what she is going to do as a senator in 2007 to end this madness in Iraq.</p>
<p>Moving on to Obama…</p>
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<p>Does Obama stand for anything Senator Joseph “Joe” Lieberman doesn’t?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob In Pacifica</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/14/bush-is-holding-the-troops-hostage-to-success/#comment-966124</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob In Pacifica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thirty-some years ago Allen Toussaint released an album with a song, “What Is Success?” I presume even back then Dubya wasn’t a fan of all that was New Orleans.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thirty-some years ago Allen Toussaint released an album with a song, “What Is Success?” I presume even back then Dubya wasn’t a fan of all that was New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What are you going to do about this, Congress?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What they always do.  Run and hide.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it’s one, two, three, what’er we fightin’ for……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you going to do about this, Congress?</p>
<p>What they always do.  Run and hide.</p>
<p>And it’s one, two, three, what’er we fightin’ for……</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Bartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Bartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Although I dislike the term, appeasement now seems to be quite accurate in describing the response of the Democratic party to the disastrous ‘war on terror’ polity of the Bush administration. The unwillingness of the ‘opposition’ party to actually ‘oppose’ manifest and accelerating failure is beyond belief.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Democrats often counter, when pressed, that they ‘know things’ which we citizens do not and therefore, we must ‘trust’ their judgment. That is NOT beyond belief, it is merely despicable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Decisions of Life and Death, in a nation which pretends ‘democracy’ CANNOT be left to an elite group, hiding behind ‘national security’ or ’secrecy,’ many of them darlings of wealth and immune, for the most part, from the consequences of their decisions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For our nation and it peoples, his is a time of infamy and shame, the baulk of it justifiably resting squarely on the shoulders of the ruling class, while the brutal, often lethal cost is borne by an ill-served and increasingly desperate citizenry. A citizenry who cannot even trust that the small ‘participation’ allowed them, the ‘right’ to vote is either meaningful or even honestly reported. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Coupled to a complacent and uninterested media, the behavior of the ‘deciders’ is neither open to careful scrutiny nor subject to meaningful debate. All is now sham, pretense, arrogance and deceit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our nation, at the most profound crossroads of its history, is out of control and a danger to the world itself, a juggernaut of hubris and self-deluding myth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Following the President’s mindless reiterations and appeals to what may only be termed ‘magical thinking’ in his ’speech’ of September 13, 2007, the Democrats, with few exceptions, most notably the too-short response of John Edwards, simply made little yipping sounds. The Democrats have failed to realize that THIS is THEIR watch. They have failed miserably and utterly, to respond or behave with any evident understanding of the enormity and consequence of the time. As we apparently drift ever closer to world-wide conflagration, their concerns appear petty, parochial and geared to a calculus of personal or partisan gain. Their response, to date, is not merely insufficient - it is cowardly, disastrous and deadly. And yet, they fully expect to be rewarded for their ‘effort’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If any on the Republican side possess even the minutest smidgen of conscience then it is NOT evident. If ever a political party deserved banishment to the dustbin of oblivion, it is today’s GOP. ‘The party of Lincoln’ has embraced the essential elements of fascism and appears to relish the prospect of ‘endless war’ or even more disturbingly, embraces an ‘end-time’ thesis of a vengeful Armageddon with gleeful relish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The official policy of both parties is essentially to embrace the ‘divine right of money.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no philosophy of governance, simply a holistic embrasure of greed, wrapped in appeals to blind patriotism and a brutal, brutalizing perversion of Christianity, the hypocrisy of which is on daily display.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Were our nation not staggering drunk on power we might even be ashamed. And well we should. the meanest, most vile amongst us hold sway and swagger in the conceit that none may gainsay them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At horrific cost they shall be proved wrong. The soul of our very humanity, as well as our future is on the line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I dislike the term, appeasement now seems to be quite accurate in describing the response of the Democratic party to the disastrous ‘war on terror’ polity of the Bush administration. The unwillingness of the ‘opposition’ party to actually ‘oppose’ manifest and accelerating failure is beyond belief.</p>
<p>The Democrats often counter, when pressed, that they ‘know things’ which we citizens do not and therefore, we must ‘trust’ their judgment. That is NOT beyond belief, it is merely despicable.</p>
<p>Decisions of Life and Death, in a nation which pretends ‘democracy’ CANNOT be left to an elite group, hiding behind ‘national security’ or ’secrecy,’ many of them darlings of wealth and immune, for the most part, from the consequences of their decisions.</p>
<p>For our nation and it peoples, his is a time of infamy and shame, the baulk of it justifiably resting squarely on the shoulders of the ruling class, while the brutal, often lethal cost is borne by an ill-served and increasingly desperate citizenry. A citizenry who cannot even trust that the small ‘participation’ allowed them, the ‘right’ to vote is either meaningful or even honestly reported. </p>
<p>Coupled to a complacent and uninterested media, the behavior of the ‘deciders’ is neither open to careful scrutiny nor subject to meaningful debate. All is now sham, pretense, arrogance and deceit.</p>
<p>Our nation, at the most profound crossroads of its history, is out of control and a danger to the world itself, a juggernaut of hubris and self-deluding myth.</p>
<p>Following the President’s mindless reiterations and appeals to what may only be termed ‘magical thinking’ in his ’speech’ of September 13, 2007, the Democrats, with few exceptions, most notably the too-short response of John Edwards, simply made little yipping sounds. The Democrats have failed to realize that THIS is THEIR watch. They have failed miserably and utterly, to respond or behave with any evident understanding of the enormity and consequence of the time. As we apparently drift ever closer to world-wide conflagration, their concerns appear petty, parochial and geared to a calculus of personal or partisan gain. Their response, to date, is not merely insufficient &#8211; it is cowardly, disastrous and deadly. And yet, they fully expect to be rewarded for their ‘effort’.</p>
<p>If any on the Republican side possess even the minutest smidgen of conscience then it is NOT evident. If ever a political party deserved banishment to the dustbin of oblivion, it is today’s GOP. ‘The party of Lincoln’ has embraced the essential elements of fascism and appears to relish the prospect of ‘endless war’ or even more disturbingly, embraces an ‘end-time’ thesis of a vengeful Armageddon with gleeful relish.</p>
<p>The official policy of both parties is essentially to embrace the ‘divine right of money.’</p>
<p>There is no philosophy of governance, simply a holistic embrasure of greed, wrapped in appeals to blind patriotism and a brutal, brutalizing perversion of Christianity, the hypocrisy of which is on daily display.</p>
<p>Were our nation not staggering drunk on power we might even be ashamed. And well we should. the meanest, most vile amongst us hold sway and swagger in the conceit that none may gainsay them.</p>
<p>At horrific cost they shall be proved wrong. The soul of our very humanity, as well as our future is on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: recoveringlurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>recoveringlurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-965969&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 100&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-965961&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twȝk @ 91&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my condolences. but at least you have fdl!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democracy now can be heard at its site on the internet (old programs) and is available by podcast - well worth it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-965969"><em>selise @ 100</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-965961"><em>twȝk @ 91</em></a> &#8211; </p>
<p>my condolences. but at least you have fdl!</p>
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<p>Democracy now can be heard at its site on the internet (old programs) and is available by podcast &#8211; well worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Especially in the cold comfort though in the face of a forced mortgage sale. I am seeing more and more of these in my area. Unprecedented really. Some family’s dream home, even if it’s a McMansion, all for sale.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially in the cold comfort though in the face of a forced mortgage sale. I am seeing more and more of these in my area. Unprecedented really. Some family’s dream home, even if it’s a McMansion, all for sale.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-966006&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;may @ 126&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-965975&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The whole speech last night had me thinking once again:&lt;br /&gt;
What kind of man insists that half a million people people or more must die and get maimed and psychlogically shattered for his cause? And then lies about it pretending troops are fighting terrorists rather than standing in something akin to Bosnia Serbia. And his evidence of “success” is Anbar province(now in a state of emergency according to Juan Cole as a result of the assassination).&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder if ChimpO knows how fired up some of us feel as a result of his speech. Maybe he should give more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i get the feeling&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the cabal is relying on &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the morloch fox fuzz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but the mist is thinning&lt;br /&gt;
and breaking up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;rapturous blind faith might give certainty in a chancy world&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cold comfort though in the face of&lt;br /&gt;
a forced mortgage sale&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and a president who has lost the benefit of the doubt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’ll butt out now&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ever heard of a Lena Horne song&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘Now is the moment’&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Word!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-966006"><em>may @ 126</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-965975"><em>mui @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The whole speech last night had me thinking once again:<br />
What kind of man insists that half a million people people or more must die and get maimed and psychlogically shattered for his cause? And then lies about it pretending troops are fighting terrorists rather than standing in something akin to Bosnia Serbia. And his evidence of “success” is Anbar province(now in a state of emergency according to Juan Cole as a result of the assassination).<br />
I wonder if ChimpO knows how fired up some of us feel as a result of his speech. Maybe he should give more.</p>
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<p>i get the feeling</p>
<p>the cabal is relying on </p>
<p>the morloch fox fuzz</p>
<p>but the mist is thinning<br />
and breaking up.</p>
<p>rapturous blind faith might give certainty in a chancy world</p>
<p>cold comfort though in the face of<br />
a forced mortgage sale</p>
<p>and a president who has lost the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>i’ll butt out now</p>
<p>ever heard of a Lena Horne song</p>
<p>‘Now is the moment’</p>
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<p>Word!!!</p>
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		<title>By: may</title>
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		<dc:creator>may</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-965975&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The whole speech last night had me thinking once again:&lt;br /&gt;
What kind of man insists that half a million people people or more must die and get maimed and psychlogically shattered for his cause? And then lies about it pretending troops are fighting terrorists rather than standing in something akin to Bosnia Serbia. And his evidence of “success” is Anbar province(now in a state of emergency according to Juan Cole as a result of the assassination).&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder if ChimpO knows how fired up some of us feel as a result of his speech. Maybe he should give more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i get the feeling&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the cabal is relying on &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the morloch fox fuzz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but the mist is thinning&lt;br /&gt;
and breaking up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;rapturous blind faith might give certainty in a chancy world&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cold comfort though in the face of&lt;br /&gt;
a forced mortgage sale&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and a president who has lost the benefit of the doubt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’ll butt out now&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ever heard of a Lena Horne song&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘Now is the moment’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-965975"><em>mui @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The whole speech last night had me thinking once again:<br />
What kind of man insists that half a million people people or more must die and get maimed and psychlogically shattered for his cause? And then lies about it pretending troops are fighting terrorists rather than standing in something akin to Bosnia Serbia. And his evidence of “success” is Anbar province(now in a state of emergency according to Juan Cole as a result of the assassination).<br />
I wonder if ChimpO knows how fired up some of us feel as a result of his speech. Maybe he should give more.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>i get the feeling</p>
<p>the cabal is relying on </p>
<p>the morloch fox fuzz</p>
<p>but the mist is thinning<br />
and breaking up.</p>
<p>rapturous blind faith might give certainty in a chancy world</p>
<p>cold comfort though in the face of<br />
a forced mortgage sale</p>
<p>and a president who has lost the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>i’ll butt out now</p>
<p>ever heard of a Lena Horne song</p>
<p>‘Now is the moment’</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-965993&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TheraP @ 122&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:ccmask@74:&quot;&gt;ccmask@74:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ok, the prez had “weeks to write” his speech.  but the prez has a lot to hide.  lies don’t just come out of thin air.  you need to put forth effort.  lying is “hard work.”  and the guy is doing an awful lot of that “hard work” of late.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve always had a wide streak of laziness and you are exactly correct.  Telling the truth is just &lt;em&gt;SO&lt;/em&gt; much easier than lying.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="mailto:ccmask@74:">ccmask@74:</a></p>
<p>ok, the prez had “weeks to write” his speech.  but the prez has a lot to hide.  lies don’t just come out of thin air.  you need to put forth effort.  lying is “hard work.”  and the guy is doing an awful lot of that “hard work” of late.</p>
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<p>I’ve always had a wide streak of laziness and you are exactly correct.  Telling the truth is just <em>SO</em> much easier than lying.</p>
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