It has always been the case that the President as Commander-in-Chief can direct American troops to occupy indefinitely another country in which Congress had foolishly and without limit authorized US military intervention. Until Congress withdraws that authorization or places binding limits on how US forces can be deployed, for how long and for what purposes, that will remain true.
Still, it was shocking to hear how the President chose to explain this to American troops in Iraq. George Bush essentially said that except for the additional surge forces who must be removed without replacement unless we break our word to them — again — and the President left that option on the table — most of our troops cannot come home until they have achieved “success” as he, and he alone, defines it. It was the most blatant statement of unilateral, unchecked executive power Bush has yet uttered.
The President described his come-home-on-your-shields policy in the starkest of terms:
Return on success; the more successful we are, the more troops can return home.
The logical, unspoken corollary must therefore be: the less successful they are, the fewer troops can return. And if there is limited or no further success, then few or none can return home. The iPresident’s policy is thus a recipe for a permanent large occupation, rather than a plan for troop withdrawal.
By using those terms, the President told America’s troops that the only way they could come home would be to succeed in achieving goals that few other than George Bush, Dick Cheney and their fantacist neocon advisers pretend can actually be achieved. Yet the goals themselves are not merely elusive, nor even unclear; they are essentially unstated.
The most we got from the President is that through some unexplained process, the “local” reconciliation he claims but cannot prove for Anbar, let alone attribute to the surge or anything the troops have done, can be spread not only to other regions but move “bottom up” to the national level. How this occurs is a mystery, even to Petreaus and Crocker, and there is no precedent cited for this miraculous transformation.
Troop withdrawal is thus being held hostage to an unachievable mission. Bush will allow withdrawals only if General Petraeus can take whatever “success” fell into his lap in the Sunni-dominant Anbar Province and extend it into mixed regions of displaced Sunnis and triumphal Shia. Since Petraeus was given this “gain” by the Sunni sheiks for reasons that have nothing to do with the surge, how can this be replicated elsewhere? Our troops must also extend this mystery process into Baghdad. There is no credible evidence that such extensions are occurring now on any meaningful scale, nor is there any logical reason to believe they will.
What, for example, does it mean to extend local reconciliation (which has not truly occurred) into national reconciliation in Baghdad, where systematic “sectarian cleansing” murdering and forced removal of members of other sects by militias has continued during the surge, resulting in transforming the capital city from mostly Sunni and mixed neigborhoods to mostly or exclusively Shia neighborhoods? Various rival Shia militias and splinter groups/gangs now control large parts of the city, just as they control most of the cities in southern Iraq and areas outside the Kurdish North and Sunni Anbar. The central government is essentially dysfunctional and cannot control the militias or even direct the government ministries controlled by the militias.
No one has explained how the Anbar bottom up model applies in these other regions. What must our troops do in these militia controlled cities and neighborhoods to achieve “success” so that they can come home? The President did not say.
It has never been more apparent that the President of the United States is holding American troops hostage and making impossible demands for their return. Is there any other way to view this? The President is demanding that they achieve essentially unattainable goals, at the cost of their lives, all so that Bush and Cheney can avoid admitting they made the worst strategic blunder in US history and have the satisfaction of handing the catastrophic consequences — and blame — to the next President.
“Success” therefore means making sure the next Administration is blamed for the consequences of extracting America from this disaster. And for that shameful goal, another 1000 US troops will probably die.
What are you going to do about this, Congress?
For reactions from Democrats, see Senator Reed’s Democratic response, this from the Speaker’s Office, this from Congressman Reyes, which was delivered in Spanish. Other responses are from Sen. Obama, from Sen. Clinton, from Sen. Edwards’ paid commercial, and from Sen. Dodd and others as we get them.
Photo: AP/J. Scott Applewhite
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Good morning from L.A. Thanks, Scarecrow, for calling out last night’s regurgitation by GWB for what it is…
based on last night’s ad-which I viewed on line thank you for the internet and everyone who does so much and then went and donated $50-a large donation for me- to Edwards. Be the leadership-don’t just talk about it. Thank you John
OMG, the coveted zeke, & by accident? No way *rubs eyes & gulps more joe*
In that case, CAW, CAW…
If you want the truth about the war, as opposed to our President’s morally treasonous chearleading, see the NYT Editorial Page today.
Editorial:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..ref=slogin
Paul Krugman:
http://select.nytimes.com/2007…..an.html?hp
There’s lots more to these articles at the links.
Caw, caw!
Good morning, Scarecrow.
Congress could end it if it really wanted to.
I checked out Hillary’s response and was VERY unimpressed with her “imploring” of the president to reduce the level of troops in harm’s way… Obviously, she and the others must take a much more forceful tack (to say the least!).
Very disheartening, but, thanks for the post, Scarecrow.
-MS
Nothing is a committment to anything and Betrayous said he would have to take another look in March….right given Shrub’s record he won’t be working there
We will win the war based on Magical Thinking.
Good policy there.
This post deserves a wider audience, pups, ready to Spotlight?
“I’m keeping the Troops in Iraq as long as I can because I said so.”
Gooper leadership in action…hostage taking.
egregious @ 9
Sure. You keep killing the people until they learn to love you and your form of government.
The “wisdom” of the neo-cons…
Seems that even some in his own party are not terribly happy with the speech. From today’s WaPo:
Sounds like someone may be feeling the heat of a strong challenge in next November’s election . . .
I think it is high times we all started reading the Declaration of Independence on a weekly, if not daily, basis. Just Google it.
Return on Success… I can’t believe, well I guess I can, that dubya said that. Not only is holding the troops ransom, as you put very well, but he hiding behind them.
Good God, that picture nauseates me as much as the Coulter-lamprey classic does…
He’s got that “I’ve f*cked you over, whaddya gonna do about it?” smirk on his face.
If only after these days are done we could do like the ancient Egyptian rulers and require his name be stricken from all records and never uttered or published again.
radiofreewill @ 10
Absolutely. GWB holding our troops hostage to his foreign policy failures in the ME. The ransom: “success,” defined as ???? @ this point…
Peterr @ 12
And therein is the strategy we should be employing. We go and beat on the doors of every single Republican, demonstrate on their office door steps en masse — or we go down to the local television station, block their sidewalks with protestors, all carrying signs demanding the Republican officeholder do something NOW.
We have to start making it hurt.
Rayne @ 14
Thank you so much for bringing that image up before breakfast . . . maybe I’ll just stick to coffee today.
Holding the Troops hostage to prove he’s the Deciderer! He’s going to show US!
Doesn’t it remind you of the “Go ahead, knock the battery off my shoulder” commercial from last century?
What will the Democratic Congress do? Next to nothing. They will bide their time thinking that they will make huge gains in 2008 when in fact a large segment of the American public, so willing and capable of being bamboozled, will be manipulated into voting for the Republican Party that ultimately will destroy what is left of the U.S..
Rayne @ 16
and for pro-war dems too.
Frank Luntz, on Faux last nite, assessed the speech not for truth, but for saleablity to viewers- & he gave it high marks.
Luntzspeak has nothing to do with reality, but measures the brain *bings* that resonate with base emotion and can massage the viewer into agreement – like an infomercial.
Tho sleazy and underhanded, the Dems might just get a few lessons, not to lose on that battlefield to the Repukes.
In another way boosh is saying that the troops aren’t doing their job. If they had succeeded with the surge they’d be home! Get the job done, come home!
Good Morning Scarecrow and pups!
Peterr @ 18
d*mn you Rayne Today! I had actually forgotten that image. aieyyy!
return on success
that phrase is ambiguous
i thought it mean’t economic return
as in
the more successful they are in keeping troops in occupation
the greater the monetary return the contracting parties to the occupying forces, make.
i didn’t think of it any other way until i read your post.
but then you are so much closer to the situation than i am,so i’m probably reading the phrase incorrectly.
Not a single mention of respect for the Iraqi Government.
He’s ignoring them, too.
It’s NTLB — “No Troop Left Behind.”
Actually, The Constitution (and also I believe the War Powers Act) say that Congress must re-authorize the war (and the very existence of the standing army) at least every two years. Congresspeople are plenty complicit too. If they did nothing, the war would lapse into illegality. Well, into even more illegality than there already is.
Bush and the Republicans are also holding the troops hostage at home. That is not an exaggeration, it is the literal truth: We are Governed by Hostage-Takers. The current ransom is another $50 billion. Pay it, with no questions asked about what he does with it, or else Bush leaves the troops in the field to die, he says.To call Bush/Cheney a crime family is not hyperbole, it is an objectively accurate description of their modus operandi.
Congress, stop being an accessory to this murderous ransom scheme.
Rayne @ 15
Yes, the Hatshepsut wipe out. Perfect. I’ll bet not even true mouth breathing goopers will be trying to get office buildings and airports named after him. Has he been able to find a place for his library yet?
The stark hopelessness brought about by this situation does make one think that bringing back the draft may be the only way to light a fire under the millions who voted for this situation – TWICE!
Yes, Bluetoe, people WERE bamboozled, but I believe they would be less foolhardy if they had something PERSONAL at risk. What say others?
-MS
Rayne @ 16
For those who don’t live near the offices of GOP officeholders, you can awalys start your protest here. The name at top of the list is Susan Collins’ enduring nightmare between now and next November.
may @ 25
Na, that was my initial thought too.
Michael in Park Slope @ 30
I used to believe that the draft would help end this but not anymore. I think a draft would enable the escalation.
or
success is defined as the passing of the oil law.
I had a plan! I had a plan!
Al Pacino – Dog Day Afternoon (trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPb_tvb7WDE
Simplify @ 27
Thanks for the link. I hadn’t heard of Lt. Watada before.
Elliott says:
“I used to believe that the draft would help end this but not anymore. I think a draft would enable the escalation.”
That likely is so, but wouldn’t it be offset by the (hopefully) better future choices made by the electorate? That is, we might not find ourselves in such a bleak situation again – or not so fast, anyhow…
-MS
Success may be the chaos that enables arm dealers, power junkies, eristic heads of governments, authoritarians of all stripes, our would-be masters and rulers…
In other words, it’s an ill wind that blows no good to someone..
radiofreewill @ 35
lmao
.
except you’re too close to the truth
Time to go to the mattresses. They want to have a war with Iran and the reinstatement of the draft.
Good morning everyone.
Anybody got the back story on the nationwide Air Force standdown today?
Hey, Harry!
Hey, Nancy!!
Hey, Democrats!!!
from slate:
Scarecrow @ 40
Good morning, Good post!
Michael in Park Slope @ 37
Too risky with BushCo in charge until 2009!
Of course we need to go to war with Iran.
To do otherwise would be anti-Israel and un-manly.
To suggest otherwise is treasonous and probably French. And certainly liberal..
Ah, geez, we need, for their sake, to get the soldiers on the side of right.
Get `em home, whole and sound. For their sake, and ours.
BTW, I’m not saying that the draft is a GOOD thing, per se. Only that it may influence how people vote. It was a powerful inducement for me during the Vietnam war. I had a college deferment (Damn straight I took advantage of it!). Afterwards, I was called for my pre-induction physical (and passed it). They ended the draft the next week…
I called myself lucky, but did not forget.
-MS
Shrubby’s idea of the way forward is PERMANENT forward conflict, hostage deaths/wounds, bases and palatial embassy … is it me or is this saddam redux, and only the pockets for our taxpayer money have changed???
what part of the decider is NOT dead certain treason???
In closing, Bush clearly indicates what is coming:
From Jack Murtha last night on Hardball:
Murtha’s laid out a challenge to the democrats running for president, especially those who serve in the House and Senate right now. Edwards and Richardson can talk, but there are those who have actual votes — and who can cajole and twist the arms of others with votes — who can get something done in Congress.
Time for some leadership in the Legislative Branch. It sure isn’t going to come from the Executive Branch!
Can any knowledgeable person out there help me with this? To my thinking, the only way for us to come out of this with the rest of the world not hating our collective guts for the next 50 years or more is to get Bush, Cheney et al. to the World Court on war crimes. How does that work, exactly – I mean…who shows up at the White House door and arrests them? Who is the police force with authority?
Yes, Bush says the troops are failing us in Iraq because they can’t make his glorious (non-)plan come to fruition.
They never could, short of convincing all Iraqis to voluntarily forfeit their oil resources to American oil companies and to agree to work the oil wells as slaves until it’s all gone. Bad troops, bad! No candy for you until your homework is done!
But one liberal group criticizes one corrupt general, and the entire Washington establishment goes into a towering tizzy fit.
Excellent, Scarecrow!!!
I heard that line and thought the same thing, but you grabbed it and ran it home. Great post.
To this bunch of sociopaths, “systematic “sectarian cleansing” murdering and forced removal of members of other sects by militias” EQUALS “local reconciliation.”
Remember the Negraponte era? Wasn’t he handing out knee-cap drills paid for with our easy tax money? And weren’t those “reconciliation tools” given to Shia henchmen to torture Saddam’s henchmen? But since the Shia’s chummed up with the Iranians so blatantly, now we are re-arming Saddam’s henchmen (remember those guys, now they really have become “The REPUBLICAN guard!”)
Bush (Carlyle Group, et al) is selling weapons right now, hand over fist, and that is just half the equation, the other half is still buried in the ground as fossil fuel.
twȝk @ 35
democracy now! has been following his story (probably best coverage anywhere).
I think it’s even worse: our soldiers come home when our diplomats win. From Senator Reed’s speech:
If the only problem was to defeat some army, at least our people could give that a try. This idiocy requires them to fight until the diplomats win. Kind of like Viet Nam.
egregious @ 42
I heard on the radio that is because of the nukes being flown from Mlnot to LA. A safety review
Michael in Park Slope @ 37
the more troops
the more theatres of conflict
chavez has benefitted from the Iraqi distraction
those production areas are substantively lost at the moment
also chavez has his eye on paraguay politically
follow the money
Toby Wollin @ 52
The formal name of the court is the International Criminal Court, and here’s a little “about the Court” info. You can click through the link at the end of that page to get more detailed info.
Note, however, that the US is NOT one of the signatories to the ICC.
There’s a GI posting on the LA times story about Bush’s “surgin’ gen’ral”, comment #3, who says it like it is…
http://www.latimes.com/news/la…..k=ntothtml
[Link repaired by mod]
twk @ 36:
Thanks for the link. I hadnt heard of Lt. Watada before.
You’re welcome. His second court martial (the military judge called the first one a mistrial) is next month. So far as I know, Lt. Watada is the only person to directly challenge the legality of the war in court.
Elliott at 46
respectfully disagree
Bush, the repubs and the dems do what they do because the American People do not rise up in revolt
a draft guarantees a revolt
democracy now! on wbai radio starts at 9am. streaming here.
JEP @ 62
that link didn’t work for me
That link to the GI comment in the LA Times didn’t work, this one should…
http://www.latimes.com/news/la…..k=ntothtml
Toby Wollin @ 52
Something has to happen to a state party. Congress’ Liability in a Nuclear Strike on Iran No more European vacations for our legislators?is an example.
Jonathan @ 63
Came pretty damn close during the Vietnam war. Or why else would the “draft dodgers” be at the head of so many 60’s and 70’s anti-war demonstrations?
-ms
Here’s a oldie but goldie from Billmon’s Whiskey Bar (much lamented, “Billmon, thou should’st be blogging in this hour..”):
the following text is illustrated by a photoshopped view of the Bush Junta in the dock at the Hague, and titled ‘Scenes we’d like to see’:
”Defendants in the dock at the Ango-American War Crimes Trial of 2010, held at The Hague under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.
Of the 20 defendants shown here — the so-called “Republican Guard” — only one (Alan Greenspan, second row, second from right) was found not guilty, on the grounds that the destruction of the American economy and the global financial crash of 2008, while regrettable, did not constitute war crimes as defined by the Geneva Convention.
Another defendant (Ari Fleischer, front row, extreme right) received only a light sentence, as the court determined that lying to the American people was too common a crime to merit more severe punishment.
In a more controversial decision, former Secretary of State Colin Powell was spared any prison time at all, after the judges ruled that being seated between former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers for the entire eight-month trial constituted “punishment enough.”
Former Vice President Richard Cheney (second row, extreme left), who feigned narcolepsy throughout most of the trial, was committed to the newly established United Nations Hospital for the Criminally Insane, as was former National Security Advisor and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (next to Cheney), who insisted on being addressed as “Mrs. Bush” throughout the trial.
The remaining defendants were sentenced to life terms at the Guantanamo War Crimes Penitentiary — the same facility used to imprison the remaining leaders of the Al Qaeda terrorist organization, whose own war crimes trial began shortly after this picture was taken.” http://billmon.org/archives/001864.html
’success’ as he and he alone defines it—–
A point worth connecting here is that ‘enemy combatant’, ‘terrorist’, ‘collaborator’ and ‘Executive Privilege’ are also terms that he and he alone defines under present circumstances. If you think he is over-reaching and desperate now concerning Iraq, imagine how he will be when the walls start closing in around him.
selise @ 56
Good for DN! My area is way too conservative to have DN on the radio :/
Watching Bush at any time makes my blood boil. Last night was nearly unbearable. This ass hole will cause the deaths of thousands more people for his vanity and for the profits of his corporate paymasters. I am hoping against hope that the Dems will push back forcefully, but that seems unlikely.
I will be calling the offices of Sen. Kennedy and Sen. Kerry today to encourage them to do all in their power to stop Bush and his madness. I will also suggest that if it is not to be stopped, then massive tax increases on the wealthy and corporations should be imposed to pay for it.
Spot-on post Scarecrow. It is just amazing to me how you are able to throw up a post that is more clearer than a president who had weeks to write his with aides. Thanks for all you do.
Can we read Krugman somewhere other than times selct?
How about a “No Troops Left Behind” bumpersticker.
Jonathan @ 64
not if there is an economic collapse and the military offers the only secure paycheck.
Bush hasn’t convinced anyone from his family that the war is important enough for them to serve. That could be because the war’s not really that important to him. He’s going to pronounce it a success during his time and then go “give some speeches, just to replenish the ol’ coffers.”
“imagine how he will be when the walls start closing in around him.”
I think I speak for many pups when I say this is a real chuckle, Bush could be sitting in the Impeachment box, or even in the Hague and he’d still delude himself, spouting Bush stupidisms with that Alfred E. Newman grin, as the evidence of his deceit is read aloud for the whole world.
Simplify @ 62
I was just reading through the mistrial. Sounds like an upright individual to me.
There will be no draft under GWB. There will be a bombing campaign against Iran sometime before Nov. ‘08, I’m betting early next summer, unless Congress takes steps to prevent it.
To quote Pat Lang’s advice to the Dems, “If you want to do something useful, pass resolutions tying up the president’s freedom of action in regard to Iran. Make him come to you for permission to strike them. Show some real courage.” If Congressional Dems don’t, won’t, or can’t muster the courage to do so, IMO, bombing Iran next yr. is inevitable.
ccmask @ 74
Marion in Savannah always posts a link to her site where she posts the eds from NYT at the bottom of the Late Late night Thread
Gnome de Plume @ 29
Since the library will be a drive-thru, I’m sure it won’t be too hard to find one.
may at 75
respectfully disagree
a volunteer army would pick up all willings in the circumstances you describe
a draft would suck up only unwillings
besides, with a draft, monetary inducements could be slashed
Now that it’s been confirmed by Bush to all of the American People that we are staying in Iraq forever, will people finally mobilize to stop this nonsense?
We’re going to end up spending trillions on Iraq and tens of thousands of shattered lives not to mention at least 1 million Iraqis dead.
It would have been cheaper and more effective to put solar panels on every home in America and buy everyone an electric car.
And to think Bin Laden is planning another terror attack while we fiddle in Iraq.
Scarecrow, you do know that you are one of the most readable bloggers on the web?
…just want to say “thanks” for your persistently perceptive perspective, and your ability to put into terms we can all understand.
twȝk @ 71
democracy now! is also on satellite and some cable tv.
do you have broadband? there are lots of streaming (audio and video) and download (audio and video) and podcast options.
i listen most every day – but i do it on line.
MR. Bill @ 69
lol, funny but you need to fix your httpd.conf
JEP @ 84
I must second that!
-MS
Re Toby Wollin @ 53:
Actually, the absolute best way to both restore our own liberty here and respect around the world is to impeach Bush and Cheney for crimes of office and then prosecute them in American courts for statutory crimes.
Our problem is even bigger than just Bush and Cheney. Any political leader with extralegal power is a tyrant and a danger to other nations. To hand them off to the ICC is to give up on our system of government at home, to give up our national sovereignty. The ICC is meant for countries that have no legitimate system of law. We have laws; the rest of the world knows this too. We are not enforcing them. (Impeachment would also mean that Congress is representing us, rather than… not.)
No Hague, no ICC. We take care of this at home.
Jonathan @ 82
ahh
i’m thinking worst case
Chimpy’s speech was thoroughly insane.
MSNBC: I’m glad for Keith Olbermann’s post speech commentary. (Even Tweety was in good form and made some pretty good challenges) Again I wished there was more Rachel Maddow. Huckabee looked like a number one a-wipe. I didn’t like the way everyone except for Maddow put Edwards’ commercial down to a certain extent. The Dems in congress *need* to be challenged. Enough, is enough.
JEP @ 84
Agree completely.
selise @ 84
gah, we have like three or four religious stations and at least two foxes and to top it off my comp is too old to multitask while streaming, oy,vey!
twȝk @ 86
No, sorry. Billmon took his archives down. That was quoted from docstrangelove.com from comments.
I miss Billmon almost as much as Fafblog and Steve Gillard. We’ve lost a lot of the best BlogFathers…
I haven’t checked the others yet but the comments on Hillary’s statement on her website are entirely adulatory along the lines of “When you are President these wrongs will be righted…” May I suggest that some fire pups visit and leave some comments of substance about what she is going to do as a senator in 2007 to end this madness in Iraq.
Moving on to Obama…
OT, Jeanne Shaheen to run for Senate against John Sununu in NH according to the Union-Leader in Manchester. Sununu beat her in ‘02 with the help of some voter shenanigans which have put a couple of Rs in jail and have the NH Repub Party paying money to the Dems each year.
We could get out any time we want, if we had the will…
I am lucky to have Democracy Now on Dish TV and saw the ONLY Western Journalist footage of what is taking place in the touted Anbar Province success. Why hasn’t America seen or heard about this documentary? It is the most current footage of what is taking place, showing the soldiers handing out cash like candy and the slums where the Shia have been herded to so that Anbar is now controlled and populated by only one sect and anyone else is threatened with death unless they leave. These innocent people are living without basic human necessities like clean drinking water,etc. Everybody take a look and share this:
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..11/1424208
At this link, you’ll be directed to only footage that exists of reality on the ground. What success are they talking about?
JPL says…persistently perceptive perspective..
Poetic and True.
I 2nd that emotion.
Thanks from me too, Scarecrow.
dakine01 @ 95
good! another R bites the dust
twȝk @ 91 –
my condolences. but at least you have fdl!
selise @ 100
Ah the BlogMothers to us all…
Simplify @ 87
Good point but we can’t even seem to impeachment on the table :/
How to leave Iraq?
Makes me think of Paul Simon’s 30 (?) Ways To Leave Your Lover.
I’ve gotta put something on and get on the road to work, but, if there’s a stayin’ home pup today who wants to find a creative distraction from the fall out from last night’s nothing new speech…
I toss this out to you.
Sending loving and peaceful thoughts out to my friends at the lake.
twȝk @ 102
and we can’t possibly redeem ourselves until we do
MR. Bill @ 92
:( thanks for the quote tho, still good imagery.
The whole speech last night had me thinking once again:
What kind of man insists that half a million people people or more must die and get maimed and psychlogically shattered for his cause? And then lies about it pretending troops are fighting terrorists rather than standing in something akin to Bosnia Serbia. And his evidence of “success” is Anbar province(now in a state of emergency according to Juan Cole as a result of the assassination).
I wonder if ChimpO knows how fired up some of us feel as a result of his speech. Maybe he should give more.
demi @ 103
Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover
selise @ 99
:D
Elliott @ 80
I’ll also pick up on the Paul Krugman op ed later today. Thanks for the heads up.
Don’t look too close, she might be wearing a lot of lipstick at the moment. I read somewhere last night that Shaheen, while a Dem, is a pro-War Bush Dog.
“50 ways to leave a bad war?”
I’ll work on that one, I’m sure Paul won’t mind…
…from Simon’s “I am a Rock”
“We went to Iraq, not after bin Laaaaa aa aden”
Excellent Post.
It reminds me a bit of a book I read long ago. Old book, called “Professional Suicide” or something. It talks about how when goals are vague or shifting, when supervisors expect things that are really unsaid, and then blame you for not “measuring up,” then employees actually “shoot themselves in the foot” so to speak. Morale goes down. Internal problems go up. No one really knows what to do to make things better – and many people “fail” or feel like failures. You get the picture.
bush is the worst sort of boss. I think your analysis that he’s telling the troops, “show me success if you want to come home,” is right on. But what is success? The goals keep changing. The “allies” keep changing. The “enemy” keeps changing. And the tactics keep changing.
I feel for these poor troops. The military needs clarity. They need specific goals, which are attainable. Otherwise, not only will they “break” the military in terms of numbers and energy and machinery, but they will “break” their spirit – they will leave them as “failures” – and this is what annoys me no end about bush.
bush acts – stupidly, impulsively, out of pique – and then he leaves the messes for others to clean up. professional suicide for them. retirement “boredom” for him. Is this war being fought so a bored, disconnected adolescent male can feel “alive” and “excited?” You have to wonder!
Why don’t Democrats put it like this?
Bush knows the war is unwinnable. He’s spending hundreds of billions and keeping our troops there so he won’t have to admit this before his term ends. Bush is sacrificing the lives of American soldiers so Republicans will be able to say “Democrats lost Iraq!” Our young men and women are being killed for talking points!
Just got finished looking at the HRC response to Charlie Rose’s question to Ms. Clinton about whether she sould be accepting money from the insurance industry. Basically Clinton says yes. Sickening. Really sickening.
Public financing of elections is the answer. Edwards for president.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along to the next thread. Who took my soapbox?
Soapbox not there yet, Scarecrow. Went 404.
Scarecrow @ 115
No it’s not.
From the NYT link:
Now it’s a new thread
ccmask @ 74
Krugman’s new book “Conscience of a Liberal” will be out in October.
Scarecrow @ 115
We’re all Berliners now (?) We’re all on a soapbox now.
ccmask@74:
ok, the prez had “weeks to write” his speech. but the prez has a lot to hide. lies don’t just come out of thin air. you need to put forth effort. lying is “hard work.” and the guy is doing an awful lot of that “hard work” of late.
Thanks for the Krugman link Elliott. He really took the emperor’s pants off with that one. Good luck with the oil venture to the Hunt Oil company in Dallas. Enjoy your proceeds.
TheraP @ 122
You got me therap. The fruits of his labor are spoiled though.
TheraP @ 122
I’ve always had a wide streak of laziness and you are exactly correct. Telling the truth is just SO much easier than lying.
mui @ 106
i get the feeling
the cabal is relying on
the morloch fox fuzz
but the mist is thinning
and breaking up.
rapturous blind faith might give certainty in a chancy world
cold comfort though in the face of
a forced mortgage sale
and a president who has lost the benefit of the doubt.
i’ll butt out now
ever heard of a Lena Horne song
‘Now is the moment’
may @ 126
Word!!!
Especially in the cold comfort though in the face of a forced mortgage sale. I am seeing more and more of these in my area. Unprecedented really. Some family’s dream home, even if it’s a McMansion, all for sale.
selise @ 100
Democracy now can be heard at its site on the internet (old programs) and is available by podcast – well worth it.
Although I dislike the term, appeasement now seems to be quite accurate in describing the response of the Democratic party to the disastrous ‘war on terror’ polity of the Bush administration. The unwillingness of the ‘opposition’ party to actually ‘oppose’ manifest and accelerating failure is beyond belief.
The Democrats often counter, when pressed, that they ‘know things’ which we citizens do not and therefore, we must ‘trust’ their judgment. That is NOT beyond belief, it is merely despicable.
Decisions of Life and Death, in a nation which pretends ‘democracy’ CANNOT be left to an elite group, hiding behind ‘national security’ or ’secrecy,’ many of them darlings of wealth and immune, for the most part, from the consequences of their decisions.
For our nation and it peoples, his is a time of infamy and shame, the baulk of it justifiably resting squarely on the shoulders of the ruling class, while the brutal, often lethal cost is borne by an ill-served and increasingly desperate citizenry. A citizenry who cannot even trust that the small ‘participation’ allowed them, the ‘right’ to vote is either meaningful or even honestly reported.
Coupled to a complacent and uninterested media, the behavior of the ‘deciders’ is neither open to careful scrutiny nor subject to meaningful debate. All is now sham, pretense, arrogance and deceit.
Our nation, at the most profound crossroads of its history, is out of control and a danger to the world itself, a juggernaut of hubris and self-deluding myth.
Following the President’s mindless reiterations and appeals to what may only be termed ‘magical thinking’ in his ’speech’ of September 13, 2007, the Democrats, with few exceptions, most notably the too-short response of John Edwards, simply made little yipping sounds. The Democrats have failed to realize that THIS is THEIR watch. They have failed miserably and utterly, to respond or behave with any evident understanding of the enormity and consequence of the time. As we apparently drift ever closer to world-wide conflagration, their concerns appear petty, parochial and geared to a calculus of personal or partisan gain. Their response, to date, is not merely insufficient – it is cowardly, disastrous and deadly. And yet, they fully expect to be rewarded for their ‘effort’.
If any on the Republican side possess even the minutest smidgen of conscience then it is NOT evident. If ever a political party deserved banishment to the dustbin of oblivion, it is today’s GOP. ‘The party of Lincoln’ has embraced the essential elements of fascism and appears to relish the prospect of ‘endless war’ or even more disturbingly, embraces an ‘end-time’ thesis of a vengeful Armageddon with gleeful relish.
The official policy of both parties is essentially to embrace the ‘divine right of money.’
There is no philosophy of governance, simply a holistic embrasure of greed, wrapped in appeals to blind patriotism and a brutal, brutalizing perversion of Christianity, the hypocrisy of which is on daily display.
Were our nation not staggering drunk on power we might even be ashamed. And well we should. the meanest, most vile amongst us hold sway and swagger in the conceit that none may gainsay them.
At horrific cost they shall be proved wrong. The soul of our very humanity, as well as our future is on the line.
What are you going to do about this, Congress?
What they always do. Run and hide.
And it’s one, two, three, what’er we fightin’ for……
Thirty-some years ago Allen Toussaint released an album with a song, “What Is Success?” I presume even back then Dubya wasn’t a fan of all that was New Orleans.
JML @ 94
Does Obama stand for anything Senator Joseph “Joe” Lieberman doesn’t?
David Bartoo @ 130 -
Thank you for that exquisite commentary. You speak the truth.