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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-965534</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964245&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 75&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A “strategic and enduring relationship” with Iraq, is what Bush will say tonight. An ongoing U.S. military presence in the heart of Arabia.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perpetual rape?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>A “strategic and enduring relationship” with Iraq, is what Bush will say tonight. An ongoing U.S. military presence in the heart of Arabia.</p>
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<p>Perpetual rape?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-965529</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964242&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @ 72&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964236&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eureka Springs @ 66&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Or a MoveON type of ad. (not that they would..I’m just sayin’)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Boston, the Repubs are making an issue of a speech by the new Dem Governor, who on Tuesday mentioned how heinous the 9/11 crime was, but also added that it also reflected an inability of humans to understand/communicate with each other.  The Repubs took that in isolation and made a Rovian attack on him for being soft on al Qaeda.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I wonder if they’re just preparing to attack any black candidate for president or to label any Dem from Massachussetts a bleeding heart Liberal AQ sympathizer. They’re so predictable!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republicans believe that regardless of where someone comes from, if they’re a Dem presidential candidate they’re a bleeding heart Liberal commie sympathizer and a Massachussetts Liberal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, just as Jimmy Carter got hammered for pointing out that not everything Israel does is pure and good and just, now they attack someone who says we humans should communicate and try to understand one another. Radical stuff for Republicans to hear. Heaven forbid they hear some DFH say stuff about “peace, love and understanding”. It might kill the poor darlings. They’re so sensitive ya know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of our biggest problems in American politics is that Republicans are terribly dissatisfied with how things sort out and they don’t feel like talking about it. I think many Dems would be open to listening, even to severe grievances. But, instead, the Repubs subvert the Constitution, lie to the public, execute policies which endanger the Union and in general make pigs of themselves. What is up with that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The hippies *were* right and still are and the Republicans …just…can’t…stand it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-964242"><em>Scarecrow @ 72</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-964236"><em>Eureka Springs @ 66</em></a></p>
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<p>Or a MoveON type of ad. (not that they would..I’m just sayin’)</p>
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<p>In Boston, the Repubs are making an issue of a speech by the new Dem Governor, who on Tuesday mentioned how heinous the 9/11 crime was, but also added that it also reflected an inability of humans to understand/communicate with each other.  The Repubs took that in isolation and made a Rovian attack on him for being soft on al Qaeda.<br />
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<p>I wonder if they’re just preparing to attack any black candidate for president or to label any Dem from Massachussetts a bleeding heart Liberal AQ sympathizer. They’re so predictable!</p>
<p>Republicans believe that regardless of where someone comes from, if they’re a Dem presidential candidate they’re a bleeding heart Liberal commie sympathizer and a Massachussetts Liberal.</p>
<p>But, just as Jimmy Carter got hammered for pointing out that not everything Israel does is pure and good and just, now they attack someone who says we humans should communicate and try to understand one another. Radical stuff for Republicans to hear. Heaven forbid they hear some DFH say stuff about “peace, love and understanding”. It might kill the poor darlings. They’re so sensitive ya know.</p>
<p>One of our biggest problems in American politics is that Republicans are terribly dissatisfied with how things sort out and they don’t feel like talking about it. I think many Dems would be open to listening, even to severe grievances. But, instead, the Repubs subvert the Constitution, lie to the public, execute policies which endanger the Union and in general make pigs of themselves. What is up with that?</p>
<p>The hippies *were* right and still are and the Republicans …just…can’t…stand it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-965497</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964208&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eureka Springs @ 41&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964204&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;QuakerGirl @ 37&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As Brezinski says, Bush is dribbling this terrible war out. He has no intention of laying out a strategic vision because he doesn’t know how to do it. He can only smash and destroy. This is a colonial war in Iraq because we are telling the Iraqi people how to govern themselves. They will make that decision.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iraq isn’t independent now so how can we keep it independent if it isn’t there. Bush is dumping Iraq in the lap of the next president after destroying it. Bresinski says we have to set a date for leaving and have a humanitarian program.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like Kucinich.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Realizing the reality is important and even some Republicans can do that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The opinion of what we should then do varies widely according to political stripe. A Warner or Specter would act very differently than a Kucinich or any of the other Dem candidates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s where I think Brzezinski is in a fix: Obama’s plan isn’t quite right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sure, there will be a staged withdrawal. No question about that. The question is how fast and what we do as we’re leaving and how many we retain in country to guard the embassy &amp; staff or to do other things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suggest we need a bit of flexibility in shaping the actual steps as we go, but with a determination to getting out very soon. Each candidate is a little different on that. YMMV&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-964208"><em>Eureka Springs @ 41</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-964204"><em>QuakerGirl @ 37</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>As Brezinski says, Bush is dribbling this terrible war out. He has no intention of laying out a strategic vision because he doesn’t know how to do it. He can only smash and destroy. This is a colonial war in Iraq because we are telling the Iraqi people how to govern themselves. They will make that decision.</p>
<p>Iraq isn’t independent now so how can we keep it independent if it isn’t there. Bush is dumping Iraq in the lap of the next president after destroying it. Bresinski says we have to set a date for leaving and have a humanitarian program.</p>
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<p>Sounds like Kucinich.</p>
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<p>Realizing the reality is important and even some Republicans can do that.</p>
<p>The opinion of what we should then do varies widely according to political stripe. A Warner or Specter would act very differently than a Kucinich or any of the other Dem candidates.</p>
<p>That’s where I think Brzezinski is in a fix: Obama’s plan isn’t quite right.</p>
<p>Sure, there will be a staged withdrawal. No question about that. The question is how fast and what we do as we’re leaving and how many we retain in country to guard the embassy &amp; staff or to do other things.</p>
<p>I suggest we need a bit of flexibility in shaping the actual steps as we go, but with a determination to getting out very soon. Each candidate is a little different on that. YMMV</p>
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		<title>By: tedb</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-965110</link>
		<dc:creator>tedb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“3776 (and still counting)…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If only the American death total were this small!  More attention needs to be paid to the over 400 killed in Afghanistan, the other war Bush is losing.  Remember Afghanistan, the place from which Osama Ben Forgotten launched the 9/11 attacks…?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“3776 (and still counting)…”</p>
<p>If only the American death total were this small!  More attention needs to be paid to the over 400 killed in Afghanistan, the other war Bush is losing.  Remember Afghanistan, the place from which Osama Ben Forgotten launched the 9/11 attacks…?</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-964641</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;28,000 U.S. soldiers wounded?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I bet this number is actually twice this number, if not more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You see, the Bush administration spins everything, as we all know by now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This 28,000 figure, if even close to being accurate, only refers to U.S. soldiers so severely injured that they had to be airlifted out of Iraq to some hospital in Europe, usually to the hospital at Landstuhl AFB in Germany.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Bush administration and compliant U.S. generals in Iraq do not count the wounds of U.S. soldiers which are not life-threatening and require only field dressing inside Iraq. The Bush administration “statisticians” do not count these wounds, because the injured U.S. soldier was able to return to duty in a short time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what about our wounded soldiers who’ve been emergency airlifted out of Iraq to primarily Landstuhl AFB in Germany?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw a German newspaper article (online) several years ago that reported that a group of  people were keeping a watch on Landstuhl AFB’s hospital receiving, recording the number of wounded U.S. soldiers arriving from Iraq, whether injured in action or otherwise. And the number they reported as having arrived from Iraq for treatment? Approximately 28,500.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This number, 28,500, showed up at the same time that the Bush administration and Rumsfeld’s Pentagon were reporting that only about 6,000 U.S. soldiers had been wounded in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only answer to this discrepancy is that the Bush administration is playing with the numbers, “fixing” the numbers downward to downplay the actual number of our soldiers wounded, just as they’ve been playing with the numbers involving Iraqi citizens who’ve died since Bush started this God-forsaken war in March 2003, which presently stands at over one million as calculated by a group of British physicians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, of course, all this “fixing” of the casualty numbers has been done to keep from the 29 percenters in the U.S. population who rabidly back Bush the true horror of what Bush, Cheney and a bunch of crazed neo-con Republicans have done not only to our military, but to the Iraqi population.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“War criminals” is the only fitting description for all the Republicans responsible for all the death and destruction wrought by Bush.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28,000 U.S. soldiers wounded?</p>
<p>I bet this number is actually twice this number, if not more.</p>
<p>You see, the Bush administration spins everything, as we all know by now.</p>
<p>This 28,000 figure, if even close to being accurate, only refers to U.S. soldiers so severely injured that they had to be airlifted out of Iraq to some hospital in Europe, usually to the hospital at Landstuhl AFB in Germany.</p>
<p>The Bush administration and compliant U.S. generals in Iraq do not count the wounds of U.S. soldiers which are not life-threatening and require only field dressing inside Iraq. The Bush administration “statisticians” do not count these wounds, because the injured U.S. soldier was able to return to duty in a short time.</p>
<p>And what about our wounded soldiers who’ve been emergency airlifted out of Iraq to primarily Landstuhl AFB in Germany?</p>
<p>I saw a German newspaper article (online) several years ago that reported that a group of  people were keeping a watch on Landstuhl AFB’s hospital receiving, recording the number of wounded U.S. soldiers arriving from Iraq, whether injured in action or otherwise. And the number they reported as having arrived from Iraq for treatment? Approximately 28,500.</p>
<p>This number, 28,500, showed up at the same time that the Bush administration and Rumsfeld’s Pentagon were reporting that only about 6,000 U.S. soldiers had been wounded in Iraq.</p>
<p>The only answer to this discrepancy is that the Bush administration is playing with the numbers, “fixing” the numbers downward to downplay the actual number of our soldiers wounded, just as they’ve been playing with the numbers involving Iraqi citizens who’ve died since Bush started this God-forsaken war in March 2003, which presently stands at over one million as calculated by a group of British physicians.</p>
<p>And, of course, all this “fixing” of the casualty numbers has been done to keep from the 29 percenters in the U.S. population who rabidly back Bush the true horror of what Bush, Cheney and a bunch of crazed neo-con Republicans have done not only to our military, but to the Iraqi population.</p>
<p>“War criminals” is the only fitting description for all the Republicans responsible for all the death and destruction wrought by Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-964342</link>
		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964331&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;foulis @ 148&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964278&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;EvilDrPuma @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to do a drinking game with this, stick to 3.2 beer. Anything stronger is a suicide attempt.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi EDP,&lt;br /&gt;
This is probably EPU’d but I live in Canukistan so 3.2 beer to us is equivalent to soda pop. I’m going straight to the 18 year old Scotch.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, that was kind of my point….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-964331"><em>foulis @ 148</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-964278"><em>EvilDrPuma @ 108</em></a></p>
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<p>If you want to do a drinking game with this, stick to 3.2 beer. Anything stronger is a suicide attempt.</p>
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<p>Hi EDP,<br />
This is probably EPU’d but I live in Canukistan so 3.2 beer to us is equivalent to soda pop. I’m going straight to the 18 year old Scotch.</p>
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<p>Actually, that was kind of my point….</p>
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		<title>By: foulis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-964331</link>
		<dc:creator>foulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964278&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;EvilDrPuma @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964273&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;foulis @ 103&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;TSF at #84&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like a great game, Teddy. Problem is we’ll all be blasted 2 minutes in. One has to get half way there just to listen to the Chimpenfurher&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to do a drinking game with this, stick to 3.2 beer. Anything stronger is a suicide attempt.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi EDP,&lt;br /&gt;
This is probably EPU’d but I live in Canukistan so 3.2 beer to us is equivalent to soda pop. I’m going straight to the 18 year old Scotch.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-964278"><em>EvilDrPuma @ 108</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-964273"><em>foulis @ 103</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>TSF at #84</p>
<p>Sounds like a great game, Teddy. Problem is we’ll all be blasted 2 minutes in. One has to get half way there just to listen to the Chimpenfurher</p>
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<p>If you want to do a drinking game with this, stick to 3.2 beer. Anything stronger is a suicide attempt.</p>
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<p>Hi EDP,<br />
This is probably EPU’d but I live in Canukistan so 3.2 beer to us is equivalent to soda pop. I’m going straight to the 18 year old Scotch.</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-964329</link>
		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964307&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JPL @ 137&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi, Cassie.  How many FDL pups online now plan on watching the pres.  Speak up.. not me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe I’ll read the commentary here…but I think watching would be bad for my blood pressure. Besides, learning anything new by watching Bush yammer is impossible by definition.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-964307"><em>JPL @ 137</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hi, Cassie.  How many FDL pups online now plan on watching the pres.  Speak up.. not me.</p>
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<p>Maybe I’ll read the commentary here…but I think watching would be bad for my blood pressure. Besides, learning anything new by watching Bush yammer is impossible by definition.</p>
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		<title>By: carolyn urban</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-964326</link>
		<dc:creator>carolyn urban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;sometimes you have to close your eyes and think of The Constitution &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/13/what-should-have-followed-911/#comment-964322</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-964302&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @ 132&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Senate website has excerpts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=282967&amp;&quot;&gt;Jack Reed’s expected response&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Or do we follow what is in our nation’s best interest &lt;b&gt;and redefine our mission in Iraq?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Democrats believe it is time to change course&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We have put forth a plan to responsibly and rapidly begin&lt;/em&gt; a reduction of our troops in Iraq…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“…An endless and unlimited military presence in Iraq is not an option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We intend to exercise our Constitutional duties and &lt;em&gt;profoundly change our military involvement in Iraq…&lt;/em&gt;” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big lie is not about to be acknowledged by Dems, is it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-964302"><em>Scarecrow @ 132</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Senate website has excerpts from <a href="http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=282967&amp;">Jack Reed’s expected response</a>.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Or do we follow what is in our nation’s best interest <b>and redefine our mission in Iraq?</b></p>
<p><em>Democrats believe it is time to change course</em>.</p>
<p><em>We have put forth a plan to responsibly and rapidly begin</em> a reduction of our troops in Iraq…”</p>
<p>“…An endless and unlimited military presence in Iraq is not an option.</p>
<p>We intend to exercise our Constitutional duties and <em>profoundly change our military involvement in Iraq…</em>” </p>
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<p>The big lie is not about to be acknowledged by Dems, is it?</p>
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