I’d like to follow up Scarecrow’s fine post about what should have happened in the wake of 9/11 because it’s relevant to a book I’m reading right now (and loving) which tries to get at the heart of why it didn’t.
I always find it ironic when people try to dismiss the liberal blogosphere as some kind of “boys club,” because much of the media critique we regularly offer up is founded (whether people realize it or not) on feminist thought. Susan Faludi’s book Backlash, as others have noted, still holds up remarkably well today and provided much of the prototype for what we do on a daily basis.
In The Terror Dream, Faludi has written what I think is an important work for the moment as we try desperately to extricate ourselves from an imperialistic foreign policy and politicians who are locked into a narrative where bellicosity is equated with strength. In the wake of 9/11, the country suffered a collective trauma that Faludi argues exposed deep sexual anxieties and caused us to fall back violently and reflexively into native myths of gunslinging cowboys and fainting virgins in need of rescue as we struggled to compensate for a threatened sense of national virility:
Throughout the fall of 2001, the media attempted to position the assault on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as a reprise of pearl harbor, a new “day of infamy” that would reinvigorate our world War II ethic of national unity and sacrifice, a long-awaited crucible in which self-absorbed Americans would at long last, be forged into the twenty-first century’s stoic army of the latest Greatest Generation. But the summons to actual sacrifice never came. No draft ensued, no Rosie the Riveters were called to duty, no ration cards issued, no victory gardens planted. Most of all, no official moral leadership emerged to challenge Americans to think constructively about our place in the world, to redefine civic commitment and public responsibility. There was no man in a wheelchair in the White House urging on us a reassessment of American strength and weakness. What we had was a chest beater in a borrowed flight suit, instructing us to max out our credit cards for the cause.
Indeed, we stood by and watched as the world was inherited instead by Yellow Elephants, content to outsource the fighting to those already on the losing end of a class war.
One need look no further than the esteemed punditry of Tom Friedman’s “suck on this, Iraq” to see that the threat we actually faced and the insecurities that it punctured might perchance be two different things. As she writes:
In the years since 2001, we’ve been on a circus ride of impractical policies and improbable “protective” politics more on the desire to reinstate a social fiction than on the need to respond to actual threats. The enemy that hit us on September 11 was real. But our citizenry wasn’t asked to confront a real enemy. The arrest and prosecution of our antagonists seemed to be of only secondary concern. Instead, we were enlisted in a symbolic war at home, a war to repair and restore our national myth of invincibility. Our retreat to the fifties reached beyond movie troops and the era’s odd mix of national insecurity and domestic containment. It reaches back beyond the fifties themselves. For our peculiar reaction to 9/11 — our fixation on saving little girls and restoring an invincible manhood – is not so anomalous. It belongs to a long-standing American pattern of response to threat, a response that we’ve been perfecting since our original wilderness experience.
As we observe the sixth anniversary of September 11 it’s time to start detangling our dark and ignoble response to the events of that day that led to the launch of a war based on lies, ego and macho bravura. Susan Faludi’s book represents an important contribution to the deconstruction of that response and I’m very happy that she’s going to be joining us on November 4 for the Book Salon. I urge everyone to buy the book, read it and join us. We need to free up our party, our candidates and our country from the atavistic myths that dominate our political discourse and our international policy, and Faludi’s book is an insightful and well-written attempt to begin that task.
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Jane!
Jane!!!
“Commander Codpiece” sort of sums the whole sorry thing up doesn’t it?
hi Jane !!
Hi Jane.
Just tell my brother I need a bigger book budget and I am there.
By the way, I’ve been meaning to suggest this for a while. Wordpress allows you to have static pages as well as these posts. Why not put together a “Book Salon” page, with each book, a pic, a short para about it, and a link to Amazon. That way it’s a one stop shop and lets us quickly buy a book through your affiliation link. Yes?
EPU’ed
BTW crude oil prices today
Nymex Crude Future $80.09
Dated Brent Spot $77.94
WTI Cushing Spot $80.09
The slight bump up today may be related to Humberto. What makes up these numbers are the base production price and profit margin, an instability premium (Middle East, Nigeria, Venezuela, etc), a recalibration in pricing due to the weak dollar, some market related speculative pressure, some shifting into commodities (after the subprime disaster), and a specific trigger (a relatively mild hurricane). At the moment, only about half the price is related to anything to do with crude oil.
Thanks Jane. Great post. And, before/if the guys start calling foul, they need to have a conversation with their little soldier about what life is really about.
peanutbutter @ 7
I like it.
Hi Jane, I’m so glad you could pull yourself up off the fainting couch to write this.
SnarKassandra @ 6
Aloha, Cassie! Why your Brother, why not Aunt Petunia…?!!! ;-)
Valley Girl @ 9
Those crazy bitches like Ole 60 Grit were right in there with them, telling the Jersey Girls to shut up and getting pissed that anyone would dare to talk about women as “Heros of 9/11.” Faludi does an amazing job deconstructing what happened in the media based on gender archetypes in the ensuing days, and how characters were quickly forced into uncomfortable roles that they started having to live up to.
There’s a great chapter on the firefighters, though, and why they’ll ultimately tank Rudy.
Jane, Thanks for the info. and I’ll definitely read the book unless the house sells and I have to pack. I know this is OT but Steve Clemons is going to watch Bush’s speech on Al Jazeera and offer reactions, http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
CTuttle @ 12
She has three jobs and tutoring. I don’t like to ask her for things.
9/11 was bad..
We should expect that our govt. would find a way to make another attack far less likely. We should expect it to be taken seriously.
We should not expect it to be used to excuse a brainfart war- or to excuse tearing up the bill of rights.
We SHOULD expect some REAL improvements in security however- not fuckin plastic bags for face cream.
Hugh @ 8
Anyone believe that the MBA Preznit will safely steer the ship of state through rocky economic times? He’ll probably want to cut his own taxes again.
Elliott @ 11
The Vapors do seem to be going around these days.
Yes indeed, about 1300 AD.
Very interesting piece.
I still can’t believe Osama had Saddam to fly into the World Trade Center.
SnarKassandra @ 15
Ah, most true! We all love her too…!!! 8-)
(((((((Jane)))))))
Inspired writing festival at the Lake today!
Maybe we need a FDL lending library.
Bustednuckles @ 19
Nah, the Magna Carta was old news back then. Keep going.
snowbird42 @ 23
Or else we need to discuss books that are already at the library or at Half Price Books.
Can’t wait to get my copy of Faludi’s book.
You won’t believe this, but Norah O’Donnell just got the surge/reduction issue right: she compared the Bush speech about reducing troop levels to a person who goes on a binge, gains 30 pounds, then goes on a diet and loses 20 pounds, and then brags he’s lost weight.
The change I saw in the two weeks after 9/11 was that people were — polite.
As that certainly couldn’t be allowed to go on, Bush and others still wth us began ranting about ‘the greatness of America’, and, sure enough, people stopped being — polite. In fact, in a little while, people were generally snappish and aggressive.
What’s the point of this comment? I’m not sure, but it’s something that I was not the only one to see happen. I was quite happy while people were polite, but our leaders may have found it more difficult to ‘lead’ the populace while they were in that condition. People who are being polite are observant of others and, indeed, empathic. Not the frame of mind you want in your population if you want to start wars.
A vague idea … I need supper. Does it say anything to anyone?
That’s not a bad idea, I have a large collection of progressive books. And a lot of are loaned out…
snowbird42 @ 23
Hm, or Amazon.com wish-lists — I *think* these can be set up to not reveal the shipping address if someone were to give a gift…
Anyways…it’s not too expensive, so maybe you can make a deal with Bro…
Scarecrow @ 26
I can tell you’re a man and not a lady.
Scarecrow @ 26
You’re right, I don’t believe it.
nonplussed @ 28
me too
I know. At the next Central Texas Firepup thingy everyone should bring the books they finished with and we can all take home a new one!
Is the Magic gone?
Will Bush pull a Britney?
Jane Hamsher @ 13
But what will they say when Ted Olsen and his supporters try to run Barbara up the flag pole?
“What we had was a chest beater in a borrowed flight suit, instructing us to max our our credit cards for the cause.”
Excellent bio of Shrub, it should be etched on the hallowed walls at SMU…!!!
SnarKassandra @ 30
Well, that’s probably as close to a compliment I’ll get this month, so thanks. Whatever you meant.
Eureka Springs @ 18
are they doing a reunion tour?
KO Time!!!
Where is the AG nomination?
behindthefall @ 27
I think it’s similar to the reason very northern lands are generally very civilized. When there is a genuine life or death threat (cold, ocean-faring folk…), people know that even the neighbor they hate most can and must be trusted to help in an emergency.
When the threat is distant (or inflated by imagination), that hated neighbor is part of the evil conspiracy.
You know even James Carville has his moments. When asked about a poll that showed that 71% of Americans disapproved of Bush’s handling of Iraq, he said that it didn’t matter what Bush said tonight or his media blitz of the last 6 weeks or Petraeus and Crocker, people have made up their minds about the war and aren’t listening to Bush anymore. Now if we could only get this point over to the Democrats. . .
SnarKassandra @ 33
That’s a great idea. Have you also tried used book stores?
my comment was epu’d but seems on topic here-why we attacked a country when we should have been aiming directly at specific people…….i don’t get it, never have………….could have been worded better, but i’ve been out of town and have a cold, that’s my excuse……..
epu comment:
scarecrow,
i haven’t read the comments yet, i will, but each 9-11 that passes i continue to think, what if it would have been a timothy mcveigh that did it? we would have moved on….people have……..even though it was an organized attack…..counted our losses, told ourselves that it was a one time kinda thing, and moved on from it, like a tragedy that happens to a neighbor, you feel sympathy, but no real involvement….i rented a car to go to canada right after the oklahoma attack and it had oklahoma license plates, i felt like a target, all of the people assuming i was from there, overwhelmed me…..or like the unibomber, affected thousands of people, but pooh-poohed into being nothing but a crazy man……….but let it be a limited foreign organized thing and we attack another country because of it………blows my gourd……….
it was a specific group…….and should have attacked that specific group…….i don’t get it…….
that’s what i think of it all……….we were dealing with a limited organized group of finatics, just like them, the us people, we should have isolated them, just like we did them, and attacked them in an isolated manner……..and moved on……….we now have a movement of organized finatics because of the blanket attack approach……….how did they not see that????????
i may not have worded this right, sorry if it gets lost in the translation trying to keep it short……….
Valley Girl @ 9
Uh, what exactly are we supposed to say in this, uh, “conversation”?
SnarKassandra @ 25
Does your local library not take requests? I can ask mine to order a book and get first crack at it when it comes in.
Scarecrow @ 37
Ladies are happy if they lose weight —- even if it’s weight they just put on a few weeks ago.
Hugh @ 42
…I can’t seem to shake the image of a cheap folding lawn chair…!!!
Badwater @ 17
That’s all he’s got – tax cuts. Trickle down economics like Bush I and Raygun. Eight years of trickle down always makes a recession. Bernanke will cut the prime rate an eighth or quarter, but it is still far too high compared to current bond yields.
Scarecrow @ 45
And what part is our little soldier supposed to play in it? And what if our little soldier is actually a pacifist?
hackworth @ 49
And way too low compared to (real, not cooked) inflation. Ooh, what’s a rich elitist to do??
I heard on NPR in the car (News Hour maybe) that only 5% of the American public thinks Bush will ultimately succeed in Iraq. Perhaps I mis-heard, but that is a phenomenally low number given the baseline of knuckledraggers on the right.
Dems, are you paying attention?
EvilDrPuma @ 46
It depends if it is a best seller list book or not.
GordonM @ 51
…err… pay more taxes? ;-)
SnarKassandra @ 53
Really. How disappointing.
And this takes me back to the recent past. Specifics relevant for women in science, but the general idea is way past true:
quote~~~
An important finding to emerge from the interviews was that the difference in the perception of junior and senior women faculty about the impact of gender on their careers is a difference that repeats itself over generations. Each generation of young women, including those who are currently senior faculty, began by believing that gender discrimination was “solved” in the previous generation and would not touch them. Gradually however, their eyes were opened to the realization that the playing field is not level after all, and that they had paid a high price both personally and professionally as a result.~~~
http://web.mit.edu/fnl/women/women.html
http://r5.sharedcopy.com/3ugse (report with that quote highlighted)
General Betrayus is a deathless avatar, recurring in unbroken succession from time immemorial. It is not the fault of Moveon.org that his name happened to rhyme with that of his current embodiment.
Scarecrow @ 45
just run something up the flagpole.
Scarecrow @ 26
That’s about Noron’s speed.
EvilDrPuma @ 46
You can ask the library to reserve it for you if it’s checked out. Or you could request an interlibrary loan if your library doesn’t have it.
Elliott @ 60
OK. I will try to reserve it.
punaise @ 52
I heard on NPR in the car (News Hour maybe) that only 5% of the American public thinks Bush will ultimately succeed in Iraq. Perhaps I mis-heard, but that is a phenomenally low number given the baseline of knuckledraggers on the right.
Dems, are you paying attention?
From MSNBC this morning, here’s what i said this morning:
jayt says:
September 13th, 2007 at 5:58 am
MSNBC gleefully reporting that 30% of Americans now approve of Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq (which is UP 8 points since July – yippee!).
And 37% now believe that the U.S. *can* achieve “victory” in Iraq (which is up 5 points over July ‘07 numbers).
What a glorious day!
(snip)
maybe that’s the 5 percentage points you heard…
punaise @ 58
And see who salutes it?
allan_in_upstate @ 35
punaise @ 58
This conversation is very confusing.
dmac, Have you heard of the PNAC manifesto? Go here and scroll all the way down for a pdf.
Hugh @ 50
Hugh, and Scarecrow. I was only referring to the guys who are likely to call foul! And, there are a few at FDL. And, none of the regulars, as far as I know.
Not to worry about your manhood. I was not putting either of you on my list.
jayt @ 62
What an embarrassing miscalculation on P.T. Barnum’s part.
Scarecrow @ 64
I’m thinkin’ it’s in code.
Valley Girl @ 56
That Glass Ceiling was built of bullet-proof glass…!!! 8-(
SnarKassandra @ 33
I’d be glad to do that – love to pass on my books to someone else who will appreciate them! Hope to see you there, Cassie. My house overfloweth with books, since I’ likely to buy books instead of pay my electric bill on time. (A habit I’m trying hard to break)
Eureka Springs @ 65
Somebody posted this last night about The Shock Doctrine.
tejanarusa @ 70
Does that mean you read by candle light? And then pay extra for new glasses? And then a ton more to get them to put the electricity back on?
I’ve got a feeling KO is going to have another Special Comment tomorrow
There’s another new book along these lines [Less Safe, Less Free], which sounds very promising as well. Shayana Kadidal has an excellent overview of it (I believe it’s authored by a couple of his colleagues at the patriotic Center for Constitutional Rights):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..64303.html
One of the important points that book makes – to refute those who don’t care about the rights of others but are genuine in their wish for safety – is that by far the best and most effective way to safeguard ourselves from future attacks is not to preemptively arrest a generic group of people and to detain them en masse without regard to their individual culpability or their human or legal rights and due process. Every good law enforcement investigator knows this. When you happen upon the tip of a criminal conspiracy iceberg, you monitor it to gain evidence and understanding of the target and the plot. Just as the British have done and as the Germans just did in successfully preventing a future attack, and building the record to prosecute those involved in the planning, by arresting the suspects only when the time is right and maximum intelligence has been culled from the monitoring that the first tip enabled.
Of course, all that is hard, thankless work, that isn’t flashy and doesn’t feed the habits of power junkies. But it happens to be the time-tested practice that best protects peaceful communities, and limits repercussions from the powerless when they are unjustly targeted and persecuted by the powerful. Just such work may well have prevented 9/11, if the competent and the careful had been the ones in charge of the agencies responsible at that time, instead of sycophantic partisans uninterested in rewarding and respecting the best in their agencies, or in keeping the scale of their departments within manageable bounds.
EvilDrPuma @ 67
It would be nice if occasionally they would point out that these bumps never last because that is the essence of what a quagmire is. Bush can put new lipstick on the pig but in a week or two reality sinks in again.
When and where is the next Central Texas firepup gathering?
SnarKassandra @ 68
As a great man once said,
if you take the text out of context you get pretext.
tejanarusa @ 70
Hard to read at night without lights…!!! ;-)
Curious in Central Texas @ 76
At a campground in Georgetown and they are still talking about the dates. Write to me at freckles at youth ink left dot com and i will put you on the list.
How long is Bush suppose to speak? Five minutes is to long but I’m just curious.
SnarKassandra @ 72
Ouch – that’s why I’m reforming.
Did actually get it turned off once a year or two ago…but not because of buying books. Unless, maybe in the long term. I’ve been quite good since then. Going to the library a lot more often.
With hat-tip to Hugh, how about this for a bumper sticker?
–Even My Little Soldier Is A Pacifist
JPL @ 80
scheduled twenty minutes
great! i read backlash when it came out (that was a while ago), and thought it was superb… will have to put the terror dream on the top of my “to read” list. i might even get to it by the date of the book salon.
I’m really going to try to to listen to Bush lie to us. Really try. Hard.
Elliott @ 83
pow wow at 74
It doesn’t look quite so rosy as a graph. Can we please pass a law that whenever visually broadcasting to average Americans, all percentages must be presented as graphs?
(Personally I prefer see-saw graphs for this.)
Hey, anything good on TV tonight?
Hmmm.
allan_in_upstate @ 77
No, if you take the text out of context, you get a con.
–Even My Little Soldier Is A Pacifist
I’ve been thinking lately that pacifism gets short shrift.
Loo Hoo. @ 85
Not me. I am already sick. If I listen to that I won’t know if I am nausous from having a fever or from listening to Bush.
Scarecrow @ 89
Scarecrow, that is just plain brilliant.
Loo Hoo. @ 85
I’m really going to try to to listen to Bush lie to us. Really try. Hard.
Threat level to teevee’s all across the nation is High – VERY HIGH!
Citizens are advised to get their chicken-wire enclosures erected to protect said teevee’s by 8:55 P.M. EST, latest.
Duct-tape as necessary (yep, it’s that bad).
Loathe and despise aren’t strong enough words to describe how I feel about Tom Friedman. That war-mongering, multi-millionaire, chickenhawking phony. Hey Tom, why isn’t your skin sucking on anything in Iraq. Fraud.
David Olsen @ 90
theme music: Flaccid Ode – Oh! – Men Go.
Thanks Elliott.
punaise @ 95
Punaise, you gotta explain that one to me.
JPL @ 96
happy to oblige
then Jack Reed comes on.
Is Edwards appearing on KO at some point or running an ad right after the speech? I’m confused now
Valley Girl @ 97
***
Placido Domingo. Brilliant, punaise.
jayt @ 93
Threat level to teevee’s all across the nation is High – VERY HIGH!
Citizens are advised to get their chicken-wire enclosures erected to protect said teevee’s by 8:55 P.M. EST, latest.
Duct-tape as necessary (yep, it’s that bad).
707 I’ve got my duct tape X on the screen already…!!!
What I would like to hear from Sen. Reed is “Mr. Pres, you have failed the people of Iraq and you have failed Americans, why should we expect anything but failure from your policies?
Valley Girl @ 92
FDL plus Scarecrow = *** (worth a journey)
theme music: Flaccid Ode – Oh! – Men Go.
Is is true that Pavarotti was of the opinion that that guy couldn’t sing a lick?
CTuttle @ 69
and what could possibly dissolve/melt
glass?
acidulous is the word(in a spoonful of sugar?)
diamond polite — smothered bores
they loosely waste with minimum grace
just pull their claws
(apologies:Sade)
CD @ 99
Thanks CD.
eureka at 65 says-”dmac, Have you heard of the PNAC manifesto? Go here and scroll all the way down for a pdf.”
oh yeah, i’ve read all of that…….it doesn’t take away from the one person saying this is a specific group of people doing a specific thing……….i don’t get it……….and i love you as much as i love scarlet p, just sayin’………….
VG – it was a bit of a reach…
Oh, Amato is live on airamerica.com
I just tuned in online
Punaise you know my screen name is a pun, right? So is our blog. YouThinkLeft.com
Valley Girl @ 105
ditto
jayt @ 93
Threat level to teevee’s all across the nation is High – VERY HIGH!
Citizens are advised to get their chicken-wire enclosures erected to protect said teevee’s by 8:55 P.M. EST, latest.
Duct-tape as necessary (yep, it’s that bad).
I know there’s a million things that you wish Democrats would say in response to Bush’s bull, but I really wish someone would bring up some of the stuff he said in the past, like back in January, he said, we’ll wait until Sept. and now there’s been no progress, so he failed.
Oh boy. That Leave Betrayus alone video is just too much. Deciderer indeed!
Can someone tell me what a Friedman Unit is?
Won’t be tuning in to watch President HalfMast tonight but I will have the reel of Colbert at the Correspondent’s dinner looping in my head:
“Not only do you stand for things Mr. President, but you stand on things. Like aircraft carriers and rubble and recently flooded city squares.”
The real Colbert spoke that night.
SnarKassandra @ 109
yep – good stuff.
ccmask @ 112
Friedman Unit
ccmask @ 112
6 mos, named in honor of Tom Friedman
eureka-all i’m sayin’ is ther ehad to be one person in the room that knew that….had to be………..
Yay! Susan Faludi for a book salon! Backlash was really meaningful for me personally, especially the debunking of the “it’s more likely you’ll be hijacked by terrorists than get married if you are already 30″ myth. I’ll be reading her new book.
jayt @ 93
Threat level to teevee’s all across the nation is High – VERY HIGH!
Citizens are advised to get their chicken-wire enclosures erected to protect said teevee’s by 8:55 P.M. EST, latest.
Duct-tape as necessary (yep, it’s that bad).
Good Advise.
Snark, if you’re already sick, don’t risk it!
dmac @ 117
absolutely.
ccmask @ 112
Friedman Unit = 6 Months. From tom Friedman continually writing cr*p such as “the next six months will be critical for progress in Iraq and then rinse, repeat in some variation six months later.
ccmask @ 112
Leave General Petraeus Alone
Thanks for the Friedman update. I remember now.
Is Harry Reid simply trying to go through the motions again, after ensuring defeat in advance?
Starting 15:45 in on the C-SPAN video of the 9/12/07 Harry Reid/Carl Levin/Jack Reed press conference on Iraq:
The video is available on the front page under “Recent Programs” here:
http://c-span.org/
Questions:
1. Why does Harry Reid “prefer” freestanding amendments regarding Iraq (which would be easy to filibuster, and easy for Bush to veto)?
2. Why does Harry Reid not want to use the leverage that the Defense Authorization Bill represents to give an actual course change in Iraq the best shot at becoming law? [Reid pulled this bill from the floor after the all-night filibuster “event” specifically to allow its leverage to remain available at a later date.]
3. What does Harry Reid mean when he says he has “to get unanimous consent to” amend the FY 2008 Defense Authorization Bill? Does he mean that the Republican Party would object to Democrats having the leverage of that bill to use to change policy in Iraq, so Harry Reid won’t buck their party? And instead Reid will go, hat in hand, to Mitch McConnell and arrange a UC agreement offering a handful of toothless Democratic stand-alone amendments in exchange for a handful of specious Republican stand-alone amendments, and call it a day?
[Note that this press conference took place at around 1:45 p.m. Wednesday, after a meeting of the Senate Democratic caucus where agreement to start drafting certain (unspecified) amendments was reached. But the preview of Senator Jack Reed’s comments planned for the rebuttal to Bush tonight reveals language that makes a bump on a log seem lively. Aren’t any Democratic Senators getting even a little bit humiliated by the unbelievably limp, unprincipled, careless, craven, laughable “leadership” to which they all continue to (publicly) submit, apparently from some dreadful misplaced sense of “loyalty to party and seniority”??]
P.S. Thanks to zennurse for liveblogging this press conference and thus alerting us to these (apparently unreported) comments by Reid.
punaise @ 107
Just a tad…!!! ;-)
haha… Amato: “this is one creeped out dude”
dakine01 @ 121
blather, rinse, reap it
punaise @ 127
which we sow sow regret
pow wow @ 124
Mahalo, Pow wow! Reid is the Dem’s version of Betray-us!!!
pow wow @ 126 – As a budget bill, isn’t filibuster/cloture inapplicable due to the reconcilliation process? I do agree, however, that it is mind boggling that reid doesn’t want the leverage of the entire Authorization Bill.
OK, I preorderd. The book sounds interesting.
My only comments, is that I hope Faludi makes it clear in the book that the ‘retreat to the fifties’ mentioned in the post’s excerpt, is a retreat into a fantasy fifties. Just as Rove wants us to retreat into a fantasy pre-progressive era.
One thing the reactionaries have been great at is peddling a fantasy version of our history.
The very idea that the current terrorist threat is anything comparable to what this country has faced in the past, from the War of 1812 (our enemy, and the most powerful country on earth, burning Washington DC and marching unopposed through the countryside), to the Civil War, the Depression, WWII, those fabulous fifties when we were 20 minutes away from complete nuclear destruction, is ridiculous.
Good to have a discussion of how how pure mindless dread and fear have been sold to the public since 9/11. Looks like this book will do a good job of dissecting that.
ccmask @ 112
A Friedman Unit is what you get when you put six months through a black hole. Whatever you promised to be at the end, isn’t.
KO is doing the Leave Patraeus alone video right now!!
punaise @ 127
I’ve been meaning to ask you this, punaise, just how black & blue is your upper arm where everybody punches you when you make a pun?
tw3k
thanks for the link at 71……………
i have questions for you, which i don’t want to post here, and am not on facebook, you gave your email a long time ago, but can’t find it in my notes, give it again?
A Friedman Unit is perpetually moving the goal posts, six months at a time.
ccmask @ 133
It’s a riot…!!! 8-)
Jay @ 113
Excellent work. Maybe I’ll have to watch that again after the prez as mouthwash.
Jane,
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Faludi also wrote a fine book about men, entitled “Stiffed:The betrayal of the American
Man”.
Okay. Friedman Unit=6 months. Thanks all. I guess I could have googled it…
pow wow, Reeds comments are just awful.
ccmask @ 140
sometimes you get a better answer here ;)
Elliott @ 134
the pummeling is fairly well distributed, for an even tone.
Billo, again, WPITW!!! ;-)
pow wow # 124,
I have no idea why Reid would do this except to set up a series of meaningless votes for show. “See Democrats voted for such and such but the minority Republicans somehow managed to defeat us.” Reid should make the Republicans filibuster. He and Pelosi should stick withdrawal language in any conference report and force Bush to show how little he supports the troops by vetoing it. And then they should start all over and do it again.
Elliott: Always get a better answer here.
bmaz @ 130
I am not sure about this. While the bill may not be filibustered, the amendments may be.
punaise @ 143
lmao
Hope people pile on Boehner. His comment about a ’small sacrifice’ is insulting, even if he wants to pretend he was just talking about money. It hasn’t been cheap in terms of blood, or money, or national security, or the war on terror (GOP TM), or national prestige, or anything.
The Iraq invastion and occupation is a major, serious mess, a stain, a quagmire, a disaster. And I do not think it is impolite or uncivil to remind people who brought us this disaster, how they did it (lies and incompetence), and also name names about who is still trying to sell it to the public with insulting dishonest drivel.
These people are in a fix and saying ridiculous insulting things. This weekend any Dem on any network news talk show, needs to ask the bigshot media diva host if they agree with Boehners statement. Also need to ask whether the nost agrees with Gen P about uncertainty in whether the war makes us safer. If the host doesn’t want to answer, just keep asking the question until the time runs out or the mike is cut off.
From Hot Air:
According to Abbe Serphos, director of public relations for the Times, “the open rate for an ad of that size and type is $181,692.”
A spokesman for MoveOn.org confirmed to The Post that the liberal activist group had paid only $65,000 for the ad – a reduction of more than $116,000 from the stated rate.
A Post reporter who called the Times advertising department yesterday without identifying himself was quoted a price of $167,000 for a full-page black-and-white ad on a Monday…
Citing the shared liberal bent of the group and the Times, one Republican aide on Capitol Hill speculated that it was the “family discount.”
Valley Girl @ 97
I’m a little to the thread but this may be your very best. Hats Off !
Jane has the next thread ready. Boosh along, everyone.
eureka at 120 says-”absolutely.”
thank you, i’ve been sayin the same thing since 911………over and over………..thank you……….kiss………..
Hugh @ 145
Reid is a real shy violet. Not the kind of personality we need right now leading the senate. He’s too familiar with getting his ass handed to him by Republicans for too long. Gun shy, Stockholm syndrome, Snake bitten, etc describe Give em Hell Harry.
I’m sure punaise keeps a tube of pun-eeze on hand, for all purpose pun rebound protection.
Elliott @ 115
LOL! A wikipedia entry! Love it!
Hugh @ 147
Hugh – I could be wrong (very common), but I think that there was a procedural rule amendment in the mid to late 90s that results in the reconcilliation process being applicable to any budget related matter if it is invoked. If that is true, then my point is that means that using the stand alone treatment really does, as pow wow said, significantly weaken the Democrat’s leverage. I guess that is not a shock out of Reid anymore…
bmaz @ 130
bmaz – The FY 2008 Defense Authorization Bill is separate from the FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Bill. It is a policy bill, which does not itself contain funding (but simply authorizes maximum funding levels). Carl Levin has publicly stated more than once that he would not offer his Levin/Reed amendment to the Appropriations bill, because he doesn’t think that’s an appropriate vehicle for such ‘policy amendments’ [because then he wouldn’t be “supporting the troops” by threatening their funding - the same specious argument he and others use with regard to the emergency supplemental war funding bills]. Whereas Levin stated the last time around on the Authorization Bill (the all-nighter session) that there is no other vehicle more appropriate for a defense policy amendment such as his Levin/Reed bill, than a Defense Authorization Bill. And of course, the Republicans have already filibustered that very Authorization Bill once, when Reid brought it to the floor before the August recess (and kept the Senate in session all night).
N.B. But here’s a question your question raises for me: I’m not actually sure that the authorization bills are signed by the president. I believe that only the House and Senate pass these (and sometimes they fail to do so, in certain years, to no great effect on the appropriations process). And if this is right, wow! There’s no veto to override, to order a reversal of course in Iraq, if the House and Senate conference report on the Defense Authorization Bill passes both chambers…? This one needs more digging…
CD at 82. With hat-tip to Hugh, how about this for a bumper sticker?
–Even My Little Soldier Is A Pacifist
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Seen in mid-Missouri today: Bombing for peace is like fu**ing for virginity.
this what I said it’s a lohg time coming
jo6pac
I’ve been a big fan of FDL, since before it got a makeover.
Media critique founded on “feminist thought”?
I don’t realize it, not at all.
Girl, I was a liberal before Bella Abzug could walk.
Jeebus.
Are you sure?
Does that make me a “feminist” if I still vote liberal?
I resemble that remark.
It don’t take a “feminist” to critique the media any more than it takes a woman to nurture children, no matter what Barbara Jordan said.
I may have a conservative skeleton, but I got liberal flesh.
Okay, scratch that bit of dreaming in my N.B. @ 158: authorization bills are signed by the president, and therefore subject to veto, and veto override. Should have known that was too good to be true.
However – There is a type of budget reconciliation bill – as referenced above by bmaz – that is not subject to filibuster (the same does not apply to regular appropriations bills, as far as I know, though):
http://www.rules.house.gov/arc…..c_proc.htm
A while back, I remember thinking that a budget reconciliation bill could be a way to mandate a drawdown of funding for Iraq to bypass a filibuster, if there was the Congressional will. I don’t know enough about the process to understand if that was (or is) a viable option this year with regard to Iraq, or not, though.
For the record: The House has already passed both its FY 2008 Defense Authorization and Defense Appropriations Bills (with no significant changes for Iraq included). It has yet to deal with the FY 2008 $197 billion Iraq “emergency” funding supplemental. The Senate will be bringing its Defense Authorization Bill (as referenced @ 124) back to the floor next week, and its Defense Appropriations Bill remains in committee. The Senate must wait for action from the House on the $197 billion supplemental before acting on that.
Background on one recent (science) authorization bill that was signed into law 8/9/07:
http://ncseonline.org/Updates/cms.cfm?id=1842
Boy’s club? The finest bloggers in the world are women – Jane, Christy, Digby, Emptywheel, Glenn (OK, not you Glenn). And this praise comes from the opposite sex.
If it hasn’t already been mentioned, Scott Ridder (Weaspons inspector) states we ought to wage of “War of Peace”. Can’t agree with him more. A war that needs to be started immediately and with the full force of our collective efforts. When you have an enemy that has declared war of your belief of life and it’s inherent “rights”, then you much declare a war to counter that ideolgy, and allow your beief to preval.
All wars are about ideolgies, and it is far past time for our (progressives and all they stand for) ideolgy to preval.
Food for thought. Bb
rwcole @ 16
Slightly OT:
I think you’re seeing this from your own typical Dem viewpoint and missing that the Republican culture and world-view has moved off in a different direction. I think they’re quite paranoid and maybe even felt that 9/11 was orchestrated by the Clintons or the Dems to distract their attention from the attack they had talked about for some years, the war on Saddam. Consider that as a hypothesis and then review things like Bush saying the CIA had “covered their ass” by warning him about the imminent 9/11 attack. Consider his quick change of direction after going into Afghanistan first and then switching to Iraq. I think he felt the Clintons and Dems somehow supported Saddam or were benefiting from his presence and were trying to protect him from Bush. Maybe it’s far-fetched, but it is a theory which helps explain the weird Bush behaviors. Doesn’t it also help explain their constant attacks on Bill and their obvious concern about Hillary?
OTOH, with Hillary talking about a Vast-Right-Wing-Conspiracy you can easily imagine the Clintons (and perhaps some other Dems) having similar conspiratorial feelings about the Republicans. Did Bush have a hand in 9/11 as the PNAC report seems to indicate? Was it a set-up to give him carte blanche to attack Iraq?
There are plenty of explanations which ignore OTHER possibly real explanations of what happened.
It’s time to revisit 9/11 to create a more solid foundation of knowledge upon which to base our foreign policy AND AND to heal some domestic wounds.
Our faults lie not in the stars, but in ourselves.
CORRECTION: “When you have an enemy that has declared war of your belief of life and it’s inherent “rights”, then you much declare a war to counter that ideolgy, and allow your beief to preval.”
What this should have said is “When you have an enemy, who’s ideology is counter, that has declared war on your belief or ideology of life and it’s inherent “rights”, then you must declare a war, to to allow your belif or iedology to preval.”
Sorry for the late proof reading. Bb
There is mutually reinforcing synergism between the right wing here and the terrorists.
For those who prefer to shop at an independent bookstore, http://www.powells.com is one of the world’s largest and offers everything Amazon does (both new and used books, same prices and shipping, pre-orders with price guarantee). I don’t work for them, I just have loved them since childhood. I have ordered this book there and I’d love to see links to more stores than just Amazon if a book forum page is ever set up. How about the Strand in NYC for instance? They must have all this same stuff on their site.