Post BooshBy: Jane Hamsher Thursday September 13, 2007 6:42 pm |
So if freedom isn’t free, is it just another word for nothing left to lose?
I sure am glad the country is being guided by the wisdom of cocktail napkins.
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HEY ZED
Sweet!
zed?
*that* took him a full day of practice?
day-um, ccmask, you fast…
TROOPS HOME NOW
nyc fox network news- no dem response.
So what’s the post speech analysis?
Asshole
jayt @ 4
a full day? I thought it took him a full week!?!
How was edwards?
Brian Williams has such a bright purple tie. Wow.
I missed most of it. What did he say about Iran??
Wow, Tweety just asked if the speech was even news since everything has been so orchestrated. Didn’t know he had it in him.
Dayam, not even top ten…!!!
Richmond @ 13
Edwards ad hasn’t run yet. Should be any minute now.
Bush’s speeches sound like 300 fortune cookies taped together and read in one sitting.
-GSD
P.S. I think it is time to revive the American civil war.
North Carolina has just fired the first shot.
my post game analysis… I don’t think Boosh looked like a well man – he seemed tiny – ears growing or head shrinking, I do not know… He seemed somewhat timid in his presentation…
that was my take anyway.
Biden’s manner has changed a lot since now that his son is headed over.
And tweety – jeez, they cut him off the coolaid? He’s downright feisty.
TheOtherWA @ 17
Thanks!
Why wouldn’t congress cut off the funds? Better yet, why would they fund this war?
Richmond @ 11
Excellent. Direct, concise and to the point. Stop this madness right now. Let your congresscritters know you expect them to do their job.
LS @ 14
he did not mention Iran.
Breaking: Bush to keep 130,000 troops in Iraq.
billjpa @ 7
Frankly I would prefer that to what Dem response I have seen on other networks.
KO says the commercials will be political.
peanutbutter @ 5
sucker
neurophius @ 6
Hey, where’s Teddy?
Tweety’s been great for the past few days. Angry and he looks older and strained.
GSD @ 17
Damn! I may have to go back to writing checks.
peanutbutter @ 8
Overly scripted, bizarre examples, brazen mischaracterizations and complete fiction peppered with carefully cherry-picked facts, largely an orchestrated PR event.
loose > lose
Shorter Junya: “Mah lips were movin’ so ah must’ve been lyin’.”
madmommy @ 23
Awesome!
McCain on CNN: “I think we can achieve some more success within months…not total success.”
carolyn urban @ 9
Timmeh says Bush will get what he wants…
Delusion, just complete delusion.
If the Democrats cannot put together 60 votes to “re-deploy” in the Senate after this performance they will never do it. [Perhaps they don’t really want to; this fiasco gives Democrats a better electoral situation next year, but the only right thing for our Country, for our Military and for Iraqis is to end this lunacy sooner rather than later.]
raven @ 27
I think this commercial break will have Edwards’ speech
edwards on msnbc now…
Johns up
McCain wheezing the Kool Aid for Larry now.
He believes completely in Gen. Petraeus. We can achieve more big successes in the next few months.
‘No Surrender’ is McCain’s slogan for the next few weeks.
And tweety – jeez, they cut him off the coolaid? He’s downright feisty.
Well, it only took him 6 1/2 years, but he’s now speaking of GWB in the same manner that he has, til now, reserved for “Chee-nee”.
epu’d:
Bush’s speech was begging for a Colbert-like split screen rebutting his lies and delusions.
Edwards up now.
twolf1 @ 40
Now! Yeah!!!
Joseph Goebbels’ “Total War” Speech, sacrifice, blah, blah, blah…this was his speech that was to buck up the nation after their failures at Stalingrad.
Bush and Cheney are modern-day Nazis.
Half of their speeches are “lifted” from those speeches.
Just a spelling correction: shouldn’t that be lose, not loose?
Edwards in 2008!!!
cool: Keith encouraged us to watch JOHN EDWARDS ‘commercial” . . .
Edwards is great! No like a Bushbot.
Richmond @ 12
You can see both a clip and the transcript here: John Edwards’ Address to the Nation
Thanks to whoever it was downstairs ho posted this link…
Brilliant move by the way, Edwards buying the time now.
Edwards: Bush’s strategy: more time, more money, more war.
Edwards’ ad up!
God! I want this guy as my President.
OldCoastie @ 24
He mentioned Iran about 3 times but in passing.
As usual Edwards is doing well and making sense. I like what he is saying about Congress.
Richmond @ 11
Here he is.
Iraq is separate from 9/11 no matter what W would have us believe. Bring our troops home so Iraq must form a government. W is pushing on. No military solution. Congress gave him money for the space and they came up with nothing.
Tell congress you know the truth. Call for a firm timeline for withdrawl. No timeline, no funding.
John Edwards – nice!
radiofreewill @ 42
He hasn’t dropped out of the race yet? So sad to see what happens when you sell your soul to the devil.
RonD @ 31
In other words, no surprises.
I liked Edwards’ piece.
Okay. Is this going to be a late night and do I need to fill my french press?
No timeline? No funding. No excuses.
John Edwards.
Edwards: “No timeline, no funding. No excuses.” Amen.
He got a reality check somewhere. Keep it up, Tweety, you’ll go on the good list.
And I still think this one is a winner:
McCain’s bus has “no surrender” emblazoned on the exterior for his new blitz.
The newly minted Happy Talk Express.
-GSD
LS @ 46
LS, you are so right. I salute your historical literacy.
“I have consulted with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other members of my national security team, Iraqi officials, and leaders of both parties in Congress. I have benefited from their advice, and I have accepted General Petraeuss recommendations.”
I miss the good ole days when his three closest advisors Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Jose Cuervo made his decisions.
Heh, they immediately start talking about it…!!! *g*
Dems need to say, Go ahead make my veto Mr President.
Maddow says Edwards is calling things on his own terms. Saying this is not about the surge, it’s about the war.
i am still laughing at HUKaBEE’s reaction . . .
as good as Pat BUCKCANNON . . .
hahahaha
My understanding is that the President only has 2/5 of the American people with him on his policy regarding Iraq. Are 3/5 of both houses of Congress for bringing all the soldiers out? If not, why not?
ccmask @ 61
Might need doing.
Shorter Boosh: I am hereby ordering home all the units that will be rotating out anyway!
Liberty Lover @ 63
Hey, I think I read that on FDL by one of our pups a couple of days ago. NO?
LS @ 13
Nothing that I heard.
snowbird42 @ 29
C&L has a very recent clip of Tweety fawning over right-wing harpie Laura Ingraham. Tweety has no principles. He did his level best to help get Dubya elected – twice. Tweety has his eye on Olbermann now.
The only problem I found with Mr. Edward’s talk was that it was way too short. I want more.
America is a addicted to murdering..
Please go to this Rawstory story. Please watch the CNN video – this is important:
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0913.html
Mad Dogs @ 65
Shorter McCain: I would rather blather.
Shit, Tweety just talked about stenography of the press — was he snatched and replaced by space aliens?!?
carolyn urban @ 10
exactly.
Freedom is slavery, war is peace, shrub is competent, cheney is sane, oceania has always been at war with eastasia… hey, doublespeak is fun!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
Yeah. Edwards ‘08!!
He’s a glass half full kind of guy. Even when the glass is empty.
Dayam, Pat is berating the Dems…!!! Bwhahahahahaha…!!! 8-)
phred @ 83
Stenography or stenosis?
Loo Hoo. @ 77
Oh yeah, he mentioned Iran. He mentioned that Iran was seeking a nuclear weapon with which it could dominate the Middle East, and how a strong stable Iraq could help bulwark against Iran.
You just knew he wouldn’t forget Iran.
Edwards was fine. I liked the line -something like the troops are stuck between a president committed to the same failing policy and a congress without the courage to do the right thing. Too true.
phred @ 83
I think he’s discovered the Lake and similar environs.
I thought freedom cost a buck o’ five…
Thank you
peanutbutter @ 89
lol!
Quibble: One of the greatest rock’n’roll songs of all time is not a cocktail napkin.
Some Vet on King is really speaking Truth to Power. He’s making the Gooper Vet look like a programmed talking points monkey.
They’re saying on MSNBC that Return on Success is not going to be a term that lingers.
What I heard Bush say was that when the troops can pull it off, they can return. Sounded to me like blaming it on the troops for not doing their jobs, and when they get it fixed, they can come home. I thought this was REALLY BIG.
Blub @ 86
Orwell was certainly Prophetic…!!!
LS, I read the raw story link. I don’t understand its significance.
z adura @ 93
What would yew dew…?
Elliott @ 92
Well, tell him the water is fine.
carolyn urban @ 91
Yes, that was a good line.
peanutbutter @ 89
Yes :)
Eureka Springs @ 100
Did you watch the video?
radiofreewill @ 99
Which is exactly what he is…!!!
carolyn urban @ 9
Wooha, I think you’ve way over-rated him since assholes are a necessary functioning part of our daily lives. He’s more like a yeast infection, candida, syphillis, or herpes..an unwanted gift that keeps on giving.
These politicians and pundits are positively ghoulish, like picking over the bones of dead soldiers for political tactics. Although, I do think Howard Fineman was right that this was Edwards playing to the Iowa Caucus people in an effort to pull in front of Clinton and Obama. He said Edwards is challenging Clinton & Obama to withhold the funding. It’s good that he has some strategic sense, and withholding the funding would certainly be the right thing to do, but it’s just so bad that I have to feel so cynical about it.
Ah wanted the speech to be called “we’re kickin’ ass” but Karen Hughes thought it was a little to macho.
-Commander Koo Koo Bananas
LOL
did anyone else getting the feeling that Bush was introducing his concept of “permanent bases/permanent presence” in Iraq tonight?
I am pleased as punch. That I didn’t listen to, or look at Bush, and that I did watch the Olbermann/Matthews commentary and Mr. Edward’s. I thought Edward’s was a breath of very fresh air.
RockPaperScizzors @ 107
gee I thought @9 answered @8. ;)
RockPaperScizzors @ 108
Teats on a Boar Hog… Keep applying the Rouge…!!! ;-)
CNN’s Michale Ware is mocking Boosh
Loo Hoo. @ 98
If we could return Bushco to Texas that would be a successful return.
LS @ 105
I did. Just another uninvestigated event from that dreadful day.
Randi Rhodes wants to bring Admiral Fallon out and make his suggestion which is bring them home yesterday. Then maybe the Repugs would be shamed. After all he is Betrayus’s boss
ccmask @ 117
snowbird42 @ 118
And it would be icing on the cake if he would repeat his “ass-kissing chickenshit” assessment of Betray-us.
Yeehaw! The Evil Empire lost tonite, 2-1 Toronto!!! The Terps are in a 21-7 deficit, Mountaineers are rumbling…!!!
The view is that Biden wasn’t bad either.
ccmask @ 117
Okay. The E-2b was ordered by Clinton to be stationed out of Nebraska, but on 9/11, it was there by 10AM, unless something changed…per Wiki.
Ann in AZ @ 108
I think Edwards is doing this because he thinks it is the right thing to do. If he can use his position as a candidate to push Obama and Hillary into doing the right thing, more power to him.
RIPLEY
(to Vasquez)
No good. How do we know it’ll
effect their biochemistry? I say
we take off and nuke the entire
site from orbit. It’s the only
way to be sure.
From Yesterday:
(Jewish) New Years Resolution: Never to predict the outcome of a Red Sox game until it is over. As Yogi once said, “Making predictions is very difficult, especially about the future.”
Too bad those 5,700 troops won’t be home for the holidays.
Jane, cocktail napkins wisdom is dead on. That’s our President!
This speech is going over like his attemnpt to privatize Social Security. The secret to beating Bush, which the Dems never quite mastered, is ‘let Bush be Bush’. When he speaks markets fall, insurgencies surge, polls plummet. He’s our best friend.
I can’t wait for the SOTU. It will be a magical moment.
Nice to see the Dems finally reading the polls and growing a couple. One lives in hope.
CTuttle @ 121
The hated Yanquis lost to Toronto? How sad…got no dog in the fight in the football game, but I love that UM turtle.
Edwards is playing by the RepubliCon’s own game: keep it short and sloganny and it will be memorable.
No timeline, no funding, no excuses. I like it.
And P. Buchanan was trying to say Edwards was aiming straight at Hillary. Balderdash!
The government we need, not the one we deserve.
Shorter Michael Ware: “George Bush is *so* full of shit.”
He seems to be having trouble keeping a straight face while he’s discussing tonight’s speech.
who is the perky one on cnn?
I’m guessing she must be a repug…
Bush described the withdrawals, and the U.S. forces still fighting in Iraq, as a compromise on which war supporters and opponents could agree.
“The way forward I have described tonight makes it possible, for the first time in years, for people who have been on opposite sides of this difficult debate to come together,” Bush said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..cpNrGs0NUE
Unreal
Edwards is a fighter with nothing to lose. He is going all out. He is taking these “*****” head on. That is what we need. We need representation, because we sure aren’t getting it anywhere else.
I missed it too. Went to a fruit stand to get something wholesome. And it gives me the creeps to listen to Bush when he gives these speeches, since he sounds seriously out-of-it to me.
From the transcript, looks like a pack of misdirecation and various species and sundry varieteis of lying.
I think this was the biggest whopper:
“Because of this success, General Petraeus believes we have now reached the point where we can maintain our security gains with fewer American forces.”
Funny how that coincides with when the surge would have to end becauser of lack of cannon fodder. Didn’t Petraeus say as much during the hearings? Correct me if I am wrong.
The frustrating thing is that Bush and the GOP are throwing ammunition the Democrats way, but the Demos are not using it effectively.
jayt @ 132
I’m guessing they are having to pinch themselves to keep from laughing out loud at the utter absurdity of it all.
I want to thank everyone for the cable news reporting. :)
I’ll bet deep down inside, Bush is hoping that the Dems end it. Then, history will say that he lost the war because the Dems ended it. Therefore, the Dems need to put it to a vote, thus ending it. Can’t they do a secret vote? I’ll bet a secret vote would do it.
Hi pups….
let me get this straight:
Boosh’s policy rewards “success: -
success allows troops to come home.
So…
the greature the Occupation’s failure, the longer the troops stay and die?
LS @ 81
Wow. Thanks LS. First I’ve heard of this. Wow.
Even by Bush standards, this was a vapid speech. In his speaking style, it was clear he was just going through the motions. As for content, it was all an anti-climactic retread of General Petraeus with the usual bits and pieces thrown in from Bush stump speeches that he has been giving for years. It was such a spiritless exercise I wonder why he bothered.
John Edwards/Wesley Clark ‘08.
Unless or until Gore does something, but I’m through “waiting for Gore”.
Eureka Springs @ 70
Exactly!!! Why do they focus on whether they have the votes to override the veto. Let him veto it!! Then point the finger @ him for failing to support the troops.
And this “no $$ for armor is just bullshit. The Congress has appropriated the money; the Pres pals have refused to use it for armor.
BigMitch @ 127
Heh, they’re not known as the Cardiac Sox for nutting!!! Kinda like the Betray-us appellation’s…!!! (psst 5 1/2) *g*
OldCoastie @ 18
Missed his “speech” but just saw a clip and his neck struck me as dramatically thin and aged. Overall he appeared rather terrified. Guess it isn’t much fun what with Karl gone and all.
wesgpc @ 137
You are not wrong. The troop reductions are the same as what would have been the case simply as the effect of the surge troops rotating out. When confronted with this Patraeus said: I could have asked for them to be replaced.
jayt @ 132
Michael Ware’s reporting has been uneven but he has apparently seen the light. I hope he continues to.
Well, what really needs to be done is to compare and contrast the conditions in Iraq one year ago and what Bush was saying about it then to what he is saying about it now.
You’ll find that his previous rosy talk will hoist him on his own petard.
Now he seems to be saying that Iraq has been a disastrous nightmare of sectarian murders and Al Qaeda domination but it aint anymore.
Yet back then he was telling us about purple fingers and painted schools.
The Sunni Awakening is the new pianted school.
-GSD
GeorgeSimian @ 87
But the glass is half full . . . of poison!!
No timelines. No funding. No excuses.
Either your with us or you Betray Us.
Loo Hoo. @ 57
Be still, my heart.
Thanks for update (dial-up/no cable).
Edwards for President – no substitutes.
Hugh @ 144
Shoot, add it to your list of atrocities…!!! ;-)
RonD @ 144
Yep. That’s THE ticket.
This was news to me: CNN said that Bush is planning to sign some sort of pact with the Iraqi govt. (what govt?) to commit troops for decades as we’ve done in Korea. They said that when we signed with Korea, Congress had to approve the commitment.
This must be what he was talking about when he said he was working on something to keep us in Iraq. He’ll probably sign w/o consulting Congress.
newspaperbrat @ 147
He’s got “turkey neck” for sure! Turkey.
ccmask @ 117
I thought it was strange that just after the plane was seen over the white house, the pentagon was blown. Putting that together with the fact that we get no camera action on the pentagon that morning…just weird.
Millineryman @ 152
that’s a really good one MM!
Just finished listening to GWB — missed it the first time. Talk about weak tea.
i heart jane @ 72
Didn’t Huckabee look like they roused him out of his tent at a campground? Completely unshaven.
Breaking News:
Sheik Abdul-Satter Abu Risha has taken time off from banging virgins to report that dying by being blown to smithereens in a car bombing was much better than getting his head chopped off in a cheesy Al Qaeda video production.
-GSD
Mauimom @ 161
didn’t they say he was campaigning in Iowa? Looks a little rough for that or is that what REAL men look like on the trail?
Ever seen a chicken right before they lay an egg?? Their neck gets all long, and stretched, their eyes bulge…and then they give a weird “squawk”…..then they get all proud about their egg.
W just laid an egg.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 136
Exactly. The Republicans have practically handed the 2008 election to them. All they need to do is take it and run with it but they aren’t doing anything. Frustrating is putting it mildly.
Mauimom @ 161
Elmer Huckabee.
-GSD
solai @ 157
Au Contraire, the Senate still has to approve it, says so right there in our Constitution!!!
Millineryman @ 152
I like it.
LS @ 164
707 !
sorry for thread hog -
but right now (7:16 PM) even the BBC news correspondent:
This from the totally empire-skewed BBC world news
LS @ 164
Oh…and most of the time, these days, it is an “infertile” egg…so, they coddle it until they realize it is rotten.
148 BigMitch September 13th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
… When confronted with this Patraeus said: I could have asked for them to be replaced.
—
Cool. Who was going to relace them?
thanks for the confirmation. I thought that was the story.
Impressions:
- Bush took this speach much more seriously than we’ve seen him in years. He worked (for him) extremely hard to deliver it with the proper gravitas, and get the words right (hey, he said “formidable” without slurring). He has, I think, doctored his hair a bit to look a little younger, but his eyebrows and frown lines give him away.
- Tweety is also looking older. And it looks like he has realized he’d better follow KO’s lead, at least on this issue. Only saw part of Timmeh, but he looked like Timmeh. Brian Williams is cautiously following his cable fellows. IOW, NBC (or at least MSNBC) has officially decided to stop imitating Faux Noise (be interesting to check daytime tomorrow).
- Rachel getting same billing as Pat Buchanan and Howard Fineman is great. Also, Tweety used the Charlie Brown / Lucy football metaphor before the speech (gee, now where did they get that??).
Takeaway – W thinks his ass is on the line. I’m sure Faux backed him up, but NBC seems to be turning on him.
So, all in all, perhaps more silver lining than cloud.
Just joining. Haven’t read the messages yet.
The Bush phrase that got to me was “we are fighting
for our freedom”. It’s one of the few lines that I
agreed with. Except that I think he’s the major threat.
CTuttle @ 167
That hasn’t stopped him before, why should it now?
Not lookin at comments before I rant AND rail a bit here . . .
Ran out of brain bleaches before BoyKing was done.
Too close for whiskey, so switched to Merlot. COPIOUS amounts of Merlot. CA Merlot. Sonama Valley Merlot, for you snobs out there . . ;-)
Speech was ugly, stupid and so full of lies in the opening I ran thru a LOT of Merlot as I was cooking for honey and listening to BoyChimp.
Made it thru whole speech, and then, the idjit dem from RI pretty much cinched it for me . . .
We progressives are alone in the universe.
So! FDL . . . time to rachet it up a bit, and move a bit more lefty, rouse the citizenry, oil and sharpen the pitchforks, light the torches, or you TOO will fall far behind an overwhelming populous who disagree with this nations course, but alas we do so with no voice.
What Say, FDL?
Move Left?
OR, simmer yer supporters in the frog pot somewhere right of middle with the rest?
It’s time for a call to action folks. Who will lead. The Sheeple are yours for the taking.
Hi
LS yue right
LS: Honestly, I am so surprised that the truth has not yet come out wrt 911. But then the truth has come out but it is shoveled under the rug as a conspiracy theory. I’d start with Rudy. Put him under with truth pellets and start the questioning. Let’s face it, there are just too many coincidences. The first being that for 45 minutes, every plane that is on standby for just such an event stood down. Planes disintegrating, building
Did you know that the Port Authority, founded in 1921, as the country’s first regional planning body, at that moment became the country’s first public corporation?
madmommy @ 175
D’oh….what is “the Constitution”. Depends, I guess, on what the definition of Constitution is, is.
madmommy @ 176
Silly Me…!!! ;-)
GSD @ 162
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
CTuttle @ 179
It’s OK. You wern’t playing that drinking game durring the speech, were you ;0)
I can only relate to the “feeling” parts of today, being a musician. This Presidential speech did not feel American to me. Chimp just did not get to the piece of why it’s America, Freedom, nothing. Zero resonance. And that’s because there was nothing with which to resonate.
Here’s something though: Beethoven! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNoBCh1ZNE
“Fidelio” is about a woman, who affects adisguise as a man, and rescues her man from a dreadful Habeus Corpus situation. Here, at the finale, they are SO HAPPY, having thwarted the Spanish despotism. This opera debuted in 1805 – Thomas Jefferson was President. Coincidence? I don’t think so. The Spirit was in the air.
Thus, I urge you to feel as well as comment and offer as you all so excellently do. Just a humble artists offering on this political topic.
Pelosi’s contribution to global warming with more hot air.
“The American people long ago lost faith in the president’s leadership of the war in Iraq because his rhetoric has never matched the reality on the ground,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. “The choice is between a Democratic plan for responsible redeployment and the president’s plan for an endless war in Iraq.”
Bush Orders Gradual Troop Cuts
RonD @ 53
But no new taxes to pay for it all. I think the Dems could insist that Bush agree to raise taxes on the rich or to give up his tax cuts to the rich in exchange for more money to win more battles but lose the war. That way they wouldn’t be defunding the war, he would. If the Prez is gonna win anyway, it should at least cost him.
Did I mention I like Kucinich? And he has PLANS that fit the progressive needs of our nation? At this time?
He can’t win if ya don’t support him . . . and the rest of the Dem’s are BushLite and foreign policy INVITATIONAL for us to be at war forever.
For what. Resources?
With a few billions invested into our OWN country, we could work miracles.
Does NO one at FDL want to help shapeshift the PetroChem/MIC stranglehold on us all?
Honest answers only need reply.
madmommy @ 182
I tried to compete, my supply ran dry… 8-(
Nice he put this in:
“We thank the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in Iraq and the many others who are helping that young democracy.”
I know some people from those countries, particularly the ‘new Europe”. They have all said that their populations disapprove of the war, dislike Bush intensly, and consider him arrogant and disrespectual whenever he has visited or addressed their countries directly. Going along with this is considered the price of keeping an ally they might need if Russia goes apeshit on them.
Probably Bush said just the right amount -one sentence. Anything more and it would have probably said something ticked them off again.
GSD @ 150
Good point. No mention of purple fingers of fate and billion dollar paint jobs on schools. Did that rosy picture ever exist? How was it replaced by AQ and the need for the surge?
Roll the tape MSM. This guy is busted. Oh yeah, I forgot, the MSM is in the tank with him.
Millineryman @ 184
5,700 by Xmas, I’d certainly call that gradual…!!!
No More War on our Children’s Credit Card.
Loo Hoo. @ 158
do i recall right
that the wing demolished by the plane was coincidentally empty of people?
CTuttle @ 185
I just poured a glass of wine a few minutes ago. Personal rule, no adult beverages till after 9 pm, the rug rats are thoroughly snoozing and mommy can chill a bit.
ccmask @ 177
I hear you, loud and clear. I’ve got all kinds of goodies downloaded. Actual firefighters and all of their testimonies about what they heard and saw. It is out there, but you can’t talk about it, because then….people might realize what happenened and actually…react….and actually do something about it. Very annoying. Especially, when these people with an historical trail of evidence…just continue along….la..de…da.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 79
Perfect. Much better than ending up with wanting less. :-)
This was a brilliant piece of strategy– and a big gamble– by Edwards. Sounds like his gamble won.
Bob in HI
GSD @ 162
HA!!
GordonM @ 173
I’m glad that NBC is following the lead of KO,and turning against W. Even taking Tweedy along for the ride. That’s great.
It happens just when KO pulls out ahead of O’Reilley on Fixed News Network.
Coincidence? Perhaps not.
As I like to say, “Deep Throat, hero of Watergate, told Woodward and Bernstein to “follow the money.” Today’s so called journalists take that mean that they should feed the public what it wants to hear.
This is no way for a network to determine editorial policy. But this week, it seems like a good thing.
OldCoastie @ 18
Gee, I thought maybe he had rushed over from the Star Trek Convention and forgot to take off his Klingon ears.
Even inside the beltway media types are beginning to put distance between themselves and a President and a policy they know to be losers. It’s similar to a speculative bubble like the housing market or the dot coms. On the way up in a bubble, people will be enthusiastic despite the warning signs and dismissive of any who point them out. But when the bubble bursts, all those things they bought so heavily into suddenly look stupid. Of course, the media being the media they try to pass it off as if they always knew the score. It was those other dopes who didn’t.
LS @ 135
It was a great speech and great strategy too. He’s got Joe Trippi.
We must bring them home.
Wes, I would have preferred a line item breakdown of the ’support’ offered.
You know, we thank Eastonia for sending three sous chefs. The Marianas Islands for their battalion of underage sex workers. Croatia for their up-armored Yugos. Lithuanias’ Reacharound Corps…..
You get the drift.
All the references to Syria and Iran were bellicose:
“To Iraq’s neighbors who seek peace: The violent extremists who target Iraq are also targeting you. The best way to secure your interests and protect your own people is to stand with the people of Iraq. That means using your economic and diplomatic leverage to strengthen the government in Baghdad. And it means the efforts by Iran and Syria to undermine that government must end.”
That was the friendliest one. Gosh, aint it a mystery diplomacy hasn’t worked with solving regional problems?
There is no %$#!@! way in the world ths Cheney-bush approach is going to work at reducing them awful ‘regional tensions’.
madmommy @ 175
Because it’s a treaty. If he doesn’t bother to get it approved, the next Pres can just ignore it.
GSD @ 200
GordonM @ 201
Shorter Bush: I’m keeping the Surge Troops in Iraq as long as I can – now give me my money!
Through Leo Strauss, to Paul Wolfowitz and the rest, it’s actually perpetual war that the neocons want. War as an end in itself. It gives glory, pride, honor and a sense of purpose to a nation. Fueled with a potent elixir of lies, religious faith and nationalism. They like this just fine.
Bush partnered up with them. Now he just needs to keep laying the bodies out, paving the road to his retirement.
GordonM @ 202
Just like this one’s disdain for such quaint treaties like the Geneva Conventions…!!!
GordonM @ 201
True. The cynical side of me can’t help but think that no one spends this much effort amassing power just to walk away from it. I will not feel completely safe until the election, and the swearing in of the next president is complete and the shrub is headed off to Crawford, or better yet, The Hague.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/13/214623/190
peanutbutter @ 203
Oops. We didn’t ratify that one either… NEV-uh mind…
BigMitch @ 195
KO pulled ahead two days. Nice trend but he’s not there yet ; )
Speaking of perpetual war.
Rudy Giuliani’s foreign policy adviser, the certified lunatic and neo-con, Norman Pudhoretz’ book “World War 4″ is in the Amazon top ten.
-GSD
GSD @ 200
Philippinos are helping the war effort in two ways. Luzon sends soldiers and domestic help while the southern islands breed Muslim terrists.
RonD @ 31
What is it that losers say? Deal the cards?
CTuttle @ 206
Technically we didn’t ratify the 1977 version (cf: Did the United States sign the Geneva Conventions?). Still I believe he’s broken the conventions of the ones we have ratified. Grrr.
snowbird42 @ 208
One hopes nothing happens to him before he is called to testify.
GSD @ 200
Damn, you are on a roll tonight!
wesgpc @ 187
Which 36 nations? Keith Olbermann just about called this a lie. In fact he did, but more politely than you and I would.
dov12348 @ 206
you nailed it. good work.
dov12348 @ 205
This is actually the blueprint behind things since 1947 and the National Security Act that formed the CIA, NSA, NSC, and the unified Defense Department, and put us on a permanent engagement status against the USSR. This, not coincidentally, also keeps the economy artificially pumped up to wartime levels, in the name of what Gore Vidal called “perpetual war for perpetual peace”.
LS @ 192
Best book on the subject was written and published prior to 911. It’s called “Divided We Stand” by Eric Darton. It’s a great book full of historic & political facts—from the dream of building it to trying to lease office space that nobody wanted to rent anymore. Half of it was government offices.
–
Who knows when some slight shock, disturbing the delicate balance between the social order and thirsty aspiration, shall send the skyscrapers in our cities toppling?
- Richard Wright, Native Son
may @ 191
Whoa, I don’t know about that…
OldCoastie @ 111
Bush was advising his successor (should there be one) and, as an afterthought, the American people, that we’ll be there forever.
The Iraqis already know this.
Loo Hoo. @ 217
The operative word was ‘Had’ participated, I know Fiji and Tuavalu, yes they’re ‘nations’ were counted…!!!
150 or so dead at the Pentagon, doesn’t sound like it was completely empty.
GSD @ 200
ThinkProgress has Matthew’s response to the’36 countries’ nonsense.
There’s more.
kirk murphy @ 219
Thanks. See books and essays on Strauss and the neocons by Shadia Drury. Very illuminating!
Bush and the Republicans can not admit a mistake and the cost so far has been the lives of some 700 Americans, thousands of wounded, tens of thousands of dead Iraqis, and millions of displaced Iraqis. This many and more are likely to pay the price before the “surge” has run its course. And then we will be back to where we were in 2006 with a year and a half wasted.
NO TIMELINE
NO FUNDING
NO EXCUSES
GSD @ 212
Yeah. Places like Heritage buy 10,000 copies or more and send them to libraries (that’s how Coulter books end up on the best seller lists – go to the library and look in the back cover for how often they’re checked out – Palast’s Armed Madhouse is never available, Coulter’s books always are).
TeddySanFran @ 227
HAD ENOUGH? ; )
dov12348 @ 206
Roman Emperor Constantine recruited the Christians (Catholics only, back then) and made them glorious soldiers for God and country. Every Sunday at church our priest blesses the troops.
Death in battle has assured man a place in Valhalla ever since the smarter and more devious among us told us so.
RonD @ 223
But isn’t it wierd that construction was going on in that very section where the palne hit?
Here’s the last part of Michael Ware’s smackdown of Bush on CNN tonight.
“Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth.” — Spock
“Anbar province is a good example of how our strategy is working,” Bush said
Fact: Abdul-Sattar Abu Rishaled of the Anbar Salvation Council died hours before Bush speech.
Fact: Anbar is not secure, accounting for 18 percent of the U.S. deaths in Iraq so far this year – making it the second deadliest province after Baghdad
I wonder how much influence the lobbyists for the big defense contractors wield in crafting the Iraq policy.
You could make a lot of cash replacing Abrams tanks and Apache helos being chewed up in the desert.
RonD @ 237
How very cynical of you ;0)
peanutbutter @ 214
Yes.
Pardon the very long quote, but your point is so terribly important.
Wish citizens knew the Constitution – MSM sure won’t tell ‘em.
RonD @ 220
An interesting parallel track. Strauss goes back to screwed-up interpretations of Plato and Thucydides.
TheOtherWA @ 234
hey thanks!
brutal
RonD @ 225
ah-memories from snippets of non-stop televised shrieking(three days full blast)something about how lucky it was that the casualties were so low
you would be able to check the facts better than i
(not trying to start a paranoia-fest,
just something that snagged a thin recall)
CTuttle @ 224
“We thank the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in Iraq and the many others who are helping …”
http://www.newsday.com/news/na…..ory?page=2
RonD @ 236
there’s your trouble
I will go read the Dems stuff now.
I think a very important thing to say, and I think you could make the argument very concisely, is that even if all the boiler plate in Bush’s speech were true, the Cheney-bush plan is a failure. It won’t work. We could be there five years and won’t work. I know some people feel uncomfortable mentioning practicalities when important moral and legal issues are at stake. But it is fact that any plan that relies 99.9% on the military and treats Iran as an eternal foe, never to be negotiated with, will never work. It won’t work to foster regime change in Iran, so it will never work that way either.
So, I think it is always important to remind people that Cheney-Bush are stupid, none of their plans have worked, none of their predictions have been correct, and they are too stupid or too stubborn or too corruptly folowing their hidden plans to change anything. Which will mean ’stay the course’ = failure, failure, failure, and more failure. Not only in Iraq but in the region and all over the world.
Also good to remind them that all of the major GOP candidates will be more of the same. No one wants 8 more McCains of this garbage. (I’ve just read that a McCain is equal to one Friedman Unit. I didn’t know that. You learn something every day).
I’ve decided to call him the Failure-in-Chief whenever referring to his role as commander of the misused and exploited military.
All Hail the Failure-in-Chief!
Or maybe disesembler in Chief?
I totally forgot that Mojogeorgo was supposed to speak tonight–was busy working on lecture prep and haven’t been online much. Feeling pretty good about that decision just now.
For anyone who watched and wish you didn’t, here’s a funny video to make you feel better.
RockPaperScizzors @ 234
More importantly, violence there started decreasing in Nov 06 – well before the surge (article on that at TPM). Bush said sending the Marines to Anbar was “part of the surge”, but I saw that debunked back in July (don’t recall where). And fundamentally, we’ve switched sides in Anbar, where there was never “sectarian violence”, because it’s all Sunni.
how about we all ask our congresscritters to remove our obviously delusional president and our totally paranoid vice president under the 25th amendment??
i wonder how much support there is for a one day national strike to show the extent of our displeasure..
madmommy @ 235
You call it cynical, my dear-(smiling at madmommy)-as if that somehow proved it wrong.
(wink).
Things are turnin’ around in Eye-rack. Why John McCain recently bought some rugs and reported that street artists had resumed painting wall murals thanking Ameriker for our help.
-Chimpy McDeluded
Here’s the lineup for Charlie Rose tonight IF anyone is interested:
Al Hunt
George Packer
Fouad Ajami
Sheryl Gay Stolberg
Jeff Sessions
Robert Menendez
Wait a minute – wasn’t the press saying Bush would invoke the Korea model? Did he even mention Korea? If he did, it must’ve been quick, ’cause I didn’t notice.
Loo Hoo. @ 217
Here’s a list from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..ce_in_Iraq
I wasn’t kidding. I work with people visiting from other countries often. Man, I hear nothing good about Bush from the new Europe crowd. not the Baltics, for sure. They hate this thing. If you were a prime minister of a country that had some troops killed in a war they disapproved of, and despised the Maximum Leader, and felt insulted whenever he opened his mouth about the war, how many would you want to send?
Elliott @ 244
N Kuch is a solution.
Anyone else wanna change the nation?
Or is the status quo working out for ya so far . . .
Loo Hoo. @ 223
No. I have a friend who died in the Pentagon on 9/11.
Bush’s “God” is the winner of the screaming, competing voices in his head. Then if it tells him to get out of Iraq, it’s can’t be God and he goes back and fishes out a voice that supports him. That one’s really God.
The message I am getting from my party this evening is *uck off if you want to end this war.
snowbird42 @ 118
It is my understanding that Fallon has agreed to tesitfy for Biden’s committee in the next week or two.
RockPaperScizzors @ 244
Mahalo for the Linky! 8-)
Gordon, I didn’t hear the Korea analogy.
ReneND @ 155
Edwards/Dodd has an appeal too.
GordonM @ 251
I know, what’s with that?
Getting that message out to reporters without actually being held accountable through his speech?
Daily Show on.
Richmond @ 254
125 dead in the Pentagon and 64 on the plane, according to Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A….._Flight_77
Fern @ 260
Problem there is the GOP Governor of Connecticut would appoint a replacement for Dodd.
Syria poses a grave and gathering danger. We cannot wait for the proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud.
Bolton bangs war drums.
-GSD
I think this president and vice-president should have to sit at a table & talk in an open forem, no?
Anyone know where I could track down some figures on materiel‘ losses in Iraq?
# of Blackhawk, Apache, Chinook, and other helicopters lost(or requiring replacement).
# of Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, Stryker vehicles, APC’s, and other armored vehicles lost(or requiring replacement).
# of Humvees lost(or requiring replacement).
# and types of fixed-wing aircraft lost (or requiring replacement).
Nice to know the replacement costs as well. I predict this data will expose some vampires to sunlight.
wesgpc @ 253
Interesting. Of the 36 countries, only 4; the USA, UK, Australia and Poland still have boots on the ground. Sounds like another pile of BS from bushco. Shocking.
GordonM @ 252
Uh…huh. Must have got wind that it would go over like a lead baloooooon, and they changed it at the last minute..esplaining the “stumbling”. Or…it was never going to be said. Perhaps, it was said to the reporters like Russert…in private..or Russert made it up. Curious.
Fuckwad Ajami.
He thinks Scooter Libby is Audie Murphy.
Putz extraordinaire.
-GSD
Waaaaaay OT
Twenty million fans bid for Led Zeppelin comeback tickets
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..edzeppelin
I’m in ; )
Cozumel @ 270
me too!
neurophius @ 264
No wreckage, no bodies.
neurophius @ 262
much apologies
memo to me–check facts before posting
wince blush
Stewart to McCain: “You don’t have to be honst with us, sir. You’re not on the Straight Talk Express any more.”
Elliott @ 273
Of course we have NO chance! 20M? LOL ; )
Fern @ 257
That I would go for. I don’t cotton to Wesley. Odd Clinton connections there.
OMG, Ware is still going. The overall reaction in the traditional media is that Bush is delusional. Is this their tipping point?
Cozumel @ 277
ahh, it would have been a lousy concert anyway. ;)
madmommy @ 269
No, read all the way down. A number of countries from Eastern Europe have special forces in combat. Many of those also have additional combat squads in Afghanistan.
bobschacht @ 195
Lucky for him Bush’s speeches are so predictable!
madmommy @ 268
The UK is bailing entirely, the Polish have 500 troops, engineers, only the Aussies are committing any viable numbers…!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 98
Kinda like giving the troops a Herculean task and he can’t go home until it’s done. Or maybe more like Sisyphus being punished by being forced to roll a huge rock up a hill for all eternity.
CTuttle @ 281
not thousands
hundreds
LS @ 274
With all due respect, where do you get that? the fire department I work for was on the scene and saw plenty of victims.
RonD @ 275
West Coasties appreciate the “Not Too Many Daily Show and Colbert Spoilers” policy here at the ‘lake, thanks….
LOL. Jon Stewart on Lieberman’s questions to Betrayus:
I think someone replaced Lieberman’s manichevitz with crazy juice.–Stewart
RonD @ 268
I may be way off base, but wouldn’t Lorna Doone have that info…in charge of DOD contracts and purchases?
Elliott @ 278
Page is famous for being a genius when he’s “on” and horrid when he’s not. I’d guess there’s slim chance he’s been keeping his chops up.
What Teddy said…
That’s exactly what it sounded like to me Ann in AZ at 284. Once the troops decide to succeed, home they come.
wesgpc @ 281
My bad, I stopped at the list of all the countries who had troops there that are now withdrawn.
TheOtherWA @ 279
Eeeeee…yikes..this will not go over well…but we know that…
LoudounLib @ 286
Hey, LL! Evening, Ma’am!
Yet those of us who believe success in Iraq is essential to our security….
An ad infinitum of cow turds and pig shit.
That only results in more needless death for all involved.
Mr.Prisdent stop playing fish with the lives of others goddamn it.
Sorry, Teddy,!! Won’t happen again.
newtonusr @ 290
Always a great policy! *g*
Elliott @ 280
Never saw them. But I saw Robert Plant and the Honey Drippers in Dallas in the mid 80’s with the lust of my life! lol
hiya CT!
CTuttle @ 283
Yeah, I agree. To the extent that Bush’s speech advertised that we have significant military support from 36 countries, it was more BS and lies from him.
I was just making the point that from people I have worked with and friends I know from Eastern Europe, I have been told that popular support for any of their peeople being in Iraq varies from mildly hostile to seething anger.
Loo Hoo. @ 223
No, there were casualites that were employees of the Pentagon working in that section that day. They interviewed some of the survivors and relatives of the casualties on CNN on Tuesday.
ccmask @ 286
Should have continued the clip where lie-man bows his head in rejection to betrayUs’s answer.
LS @ 291
so gwib did a britney?
RonD @ 298
Teddy, I get Stewart at 8:00 Pacific. You don’t?
GSD @ 17
The first shot would be if consumers didn’t USE their cards at ATM’s that charged them fee’s.
Get yer money, get out, and spend it. Deny the beast.
CTuttle @ 294
If you could link to that, it would solve a bunch of questions for a lot of people, including victim’s families. In all due respect, it would solve the questions people have about the incident. Something.
RonD @ 296
I think it’s the simultaneity of Countdown, as we all watch, comment, and enjoy it together, that helps folks forget that TDS and Colbert are not simulcast coast-to-coast.
No harm, no foul. I’ve learned to skip over quickly when I see “stewart” in a comment….
Speech reminds me of this cartoon I saw. Guy holding a sign on PA avenue. ‘Will be President for food.’
Elliott @ 251
Don’t know the first two off hand. Menendez had a good moment batting Petraeus down. The rest look hopeless.
Loo Hoo. @ 304
Loo Hoo – isn’t that a replay from the night before?
well LS, I can’t link to that because it’s in the archives of our fire department incident reports. But I stand by what I said. I was also working that day and heard a lot of radio traffic.
I think Bush-count of 36 countries included Iranians, Al Quieda, Syrians, the odd Lebanese, a loose Palestinian, etc. Surely he didn’t mean 36 countries fighting on OUR side.
He’s not a liar, you just have to listen very, very carefully.
Hugh @ 309
Al Hunt is Judy Woodruff’s husband
LS @ 272
The real danger of these conspiracy theories is that it buys into the notion that spending as much on the military as the rest of the world combined actually means something in terms of security. It doesn’t. In fact, it leads to such a complacent sense of invincibility (and focus on the other “major” powers, eg, Russia and China) that the South Brighton Ladies Auxiliary could probably mount a seriously damaging attack.
Hugh @ 305
Al Hunt used to write for the WSJ but I believe is with Bloomberg now. He is not a neo-con.
Loo Hoo. @ 304
We get last nite’s TDS at 8pm pacific. Our basic cable doesn’t include that fancy East Coast Comedy Central option; I’ve had it previously and enjoyed it — when other roommates paid for the upgrade!
Wow! This diary skewers Lieberman:
Joe Lieberman, Rosh Hashanah and Repentance
In many ways Joe Lieberman became the face of the “pious Jew” to millions of non-Jews in this country in 2000. He became an archetype for the Jew who was proud to be Jewish but also a force for good in Government. This almost stereotype categorization of Joe was not without merit. In many ways he seemed to fit the bill.
But as I sat in temple reflecting on the impact of Joe Lieberman as a representative of religious Jewry, I became deeply ashamed.
For Joe Lieberman may be the least Jewish person I have ever seen.
For all his supposed “religion,” he has learned nothing from the Talmud. Nothing from the Torah.
For all his supposed piousness, he is, at his core, a warmonger.
He exhibits a complete lack of self doubt, one of the fundamental underpinnings of a religious Jew’s quest to better the world.
He never betrays any notion that his “cause” of endless war in Iraq may have unleashed terrible devastation.
snip
ccmask @ 61
Geez, get an espresso machine for $10, put it on yer stove, and LOSE that silly toy with all that work . . . better end product and less, MUCH less work.
newtonusr, you mean to tell me I’ve been watching day old shows? I don’t watch regularly enough…
itwasntme @ 311
You’re right, and he would have reason to thank those countries, wouldn’t he?
TeddySanFran @ 304
So you didn’t hear Jon announce he was leaving the show? BTW, what’s a spoiler?
Just kidding.
h/t to GSD.
Get your ZED on!
RonD @ 67
I’d salute that too . . . the parallel’s are so right on the nut . . .
LOL! yep, unless you pay super bucks and have extended options.
TRex is Upstairs
may @ 274
I think it has become almost impossible to fact check on this topic by now – so many untruths and half truths (on both sides of the conspiracy theories) have become accepted wisdom that it is pretty much impossible to sort it all out by this time.
larue @ 318
Linky? I love my french press. There is no better coffee than fresh beans ground down and pressed. Isn’t an expresso machine really strong coffee?
z adura @ 93
That’s a ‘buck two fifty’ in the Nothan States.
Fern @ 327
Agree. I feel we are a lot like the Iraqi’s in that both countries have no government that cares about its people. Certainly not enough to provide a complete investigation.
In the old days, parts and beams and steel would have been brought back to a big warehouse and tests would have been conducted. Seems like that would have helped the country to heal.
Hugh @ 310
Al Hunt is a CNN panalist regular. Married to Judy Woodruff. He usually takes a moderate Democratic approach representing the left. Packer, I think wrote “The Assassins Gate” (please correct me if I’m confuesed. There are so many books out there.) Wasn’t he CIA at one time?
DefendOurConstitution @ 37
This occupation is going to continue indefinitely because both sides and the people financing them want the same thing.
If this madness ends the fragile American economy which is already reeling from housing problems and weak financial institutions will be hit with a massive wave of wake-the-fuck-up when the inevitable postwar recession hits and the fragile bottom falls out from beneath this fraudulently inflated economy.
The GOP can’t afford it because it would show the complete fraud of the Bush administration.
The Democrats can’t afford that because then they are left to fix another Bush economic problem and there isn’t anywhere near the material there that Clinton had to work with after Poppy was finished with the economy.
The war profiteers are running this country and they will not allow anything to interfere with their profits.
It’s general strike time, folks. Nothing and no one is going to end this and the Democratic response to the Bushit spewed tonight is elegant proof of that.
unconventional conventionist @ 183
Bush may have been born here, but he is not American to my way of understanding what it means to be an American. He is the epitome of what is known as the “ugly American”.
LoudounLib @ 312
If it exists in the archives, then bring it forward. Don’t try to “hold rank”.
Elliott @ 314
I checked. Packer did write The Assassins Gate about the Iraq War. Amazon says is a liberal that initially supported the War.
LS @ 334
It’s “pull rank” and if you want government agency reports they have to be requested via Freedom of Information machinery.
snowbird42 @ 118
Randi Rhodes is a progressive’s goddess, and she’s right on point.
Time to get Fallon Mounted, Up Front.
To Tell The Truth.
Kahplah!
LS @ 334
I could comment here, and post anonymously, that I had such information…I could say that I worked as a firefighter…it would not be true. I base my position on the “testimony” by firefighters that were there on September 11, 2001. If you show me interviews, testimony, or footage, that differs, please do it, because we want to know the truth.
If anyone wants to start questioning myths regarding 9/11 and the Pentagon casualties, try to find people who were helped by that great hero of that day, Donald Rumsfeld who, along with Gen. Richard Myers, was missing in action for at least an hour and a half after whatever it was hit the Pentagon.
james @ 336
Okay, “pull rank”, are you satisfied now????
Oklahoma kiddo @ 137
“Effectively”???????
Hell, they fall down at the muzzle flashes in front of them. En masse. Yer too kind methinks to the sources of our change needs/agents.
LS, this is the last word from me on the subject. I am a fire dispatcher — not a firefighter — for Fairfax County Fire and Rescue in Northern Virginia. I was working on 9-11-2001. You can believe me, or not. And as James has pointed out, it’s a FOIA thing to get anything released.
Loo Hoo. @ 142
Loo Hoo, what’s a COM POD behind the cockpit mean? Can it be used to fly the plane without pilots on board? Thanks in advance . . .
LS @ 338
LS I don’t think you are being fair to LL here.
Eureka Springs @ 257
And so . . . we move from here.
Thanks for spelling it out.
Here’s hoping anyone listens.
I am.
Since September 13, 2001, when Bush the lesser ‘Texas-sneered-and-smirked’ his way through an address to Congress, I have been unable to look at the man without thinking, “That disingenuous lying sack of shit”. It held true tonight. How many Iraqi and American lives, how much Iraqi and American treasure, will be allow this snide excuse for a human being to sacrifice to his god of good and evil so as to cover his ass for not heeding any of the warnings about the events of 9.11?
Far too many, far to much, and nothing will erase the record already set to be carved in stone: ‘These are the war crimes of George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States…’
xargaw @ 258
This could be huge, thanks for sharing.
LoudounLib @ 342
Do you understand that the families of the fallen on that day need evidence? Do you understand that? If you have evidence, then provide it. It would provide closure. How can you respond in such a cavalier fashion. If you know the truth, spit it out and release the suffering of the families of the victims. Just because you “refer” to it, doesn’t cut it. I don’t buy it. Just tell what you know. Why is that such a big deal?
TeddySanFran @ 287
Ummmm . . . not true, bring it on, the sooner I hear about it the better . . . sorry to disagree, hoss. But I do.
Bush and his mindless followers will be viewed by historians as responsible for the ultimate collapse of the United States. An empty treasury, a fearful and fractious citizenry is the Bush legacy. One would think that the country has a collective death wish allowing this moron to serve two terms.
ccmask @ 178
You do know that NORAD was conducting exercises on 9/11/01 that involved hijackings as a possible scenario? To me that is one of many coincidences from that day. There really does need to be a new 9/11 investigation. This article supposedly gives the full transcript of the NORAD tapes from that day. http://http://www.vanityfair.c…..rentPage=1
ccmask @ 328
Per yer caffeine devotee request, here’s what we use at home, and camping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..r_moka.jpg
Gotta have fine ground espresso coffee’s.
A lil Bailey’s Irish Cream with it don’t hurt.
And it’s DEFINITELY HI OCTANE COFFEE!!
Why else would anyone wanna drink this crap?
It’s a Jolt Cola, served hot and steamy, and rich and delicous and well, ESPRESSO’D!!!!
james @ 332
Elegant proof has been abundant since BoyKing was inaugeraged in ‘00.
James Speaks Truth. Time to get it on. Or lose it all . . . who will dance?
James Speaks Truth. Time to get it on. Or lose it all . . . who will dance?
pop and lock anytime
and lest we forget it was the only day in US history where the VP took command of NORAD,I read somewhere.Nite all
at 351 link should be http://www.vanityfair.com/poli…..orad200608
Ann in AZ @ 108
There’s no reason to see it that way.
I wonder how many people who heard the Edwards spot felt he was speaking for them.
He’s saying what needs to be said, what must be said. It’s Leadership.
may @ 192
There were a few people in there, but there was remodeling being done and so there were much fewer people than usual. Also, they had recently ‘hardened’ the outer wall in that part of the Pentagon to make it much stronger and able to take a hit. Coincidence?
TheOtherWA @ 279
It might’ve been the airplane with nukes flying across America or it might’ve been any number of other pathetic recent events.
I think from here on in we can hammer away at Bush without much restraint. Edwards took the first shot and hit the bullseye. Others will likely follow his lead.
Edwards ‘08 — Leadership America Needs
LoudounLib @ 286
I’m curious — how could a plane made of metal, plastic and the like simply vanish, but bodies would remain?
Amilius @ 346
Amen in spades!!
madmommy @ 217
“They’ve” already killed at least one president, two senators, two members of congress, two CIA directors, a radical Black Muslim, and a Baptist minister.
What does a general mean to them?
The war must go on…Carlyle Group needs the money, Carlucci needs it, the criminal Bush family needs it, Dr. Kissinger needs more blood to infuse his pitiful heartless body and don’t get me started on Cheney.