Sometimes you can be too far ahead of the curve and you have to wait for time and circumstance to catch up with you.
Unfortunately for America, Connecticut voters aren’t casting their votes today in the Lieberman/Lamont race because if they were, Ned Lamont would win and the US Senate would be rid of the pathological, warmongering narcissist Joe Lieberman (CFL-AIPAC).
The poll, commissioned by Daily Kos, found that Ned would handily beat Joe by 8 points today. That Ned was willing to enter the race last year when the geniuses at the head of the Democratic Party were telling everyone to shut up about the war, put his own money into challenging the war lobby by beating its own toad prince in the primary and then fighting him and his Democratic Senate buddies in the general, is to his credit. He awakened the shiftless and the recalcitrant up to the reality that the party’s voters wanted their candidates to do more than smile, kiss babies and be Not Republican. We want them to end the war.
We owe him and everyone who worked on his behalf a great debt of gratitude.
Thanks, Ned.
(If you’re a Connecticut resident, you might want to hit the “spotlight” button at the end of the post and contact your local Connecticut media to let them know you’d like to see this poll covered.)
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Jane!
I keep getting EPU’d…
BADA BING!
Biodun @ 1
{{{JANE}}}
Joe-Lie, who left the Democratic Party when he decided to run as an Independent after he was defeated in the Democratic primary in CT.
Do you think Ned cheated? [edit: I meant “did JOE cheat”?]
NED!
I saw this story up on Kos a little while ago and thought to myself, “Hmm, I’ll bet Jane Hamsher’s going to find this interesting…”
Jane!
If the Republics hadn’t cheated in 2000 (which is not possible by any entity owned by the Bush family), HoJo might be the leading Dem candidate for 2008. Is it a small silver lining that he is not?
What a gentleman Ned is. I had the pleasure of meeting him in Chicago.
I was really disappointed when Ned wasn’t able to win the race after he got the Democratic nomination. I really, really, really wish Lie-berman was OUT. Instead, we’re stuck for six more years.
How to do Spotlight
holy joe says no more toe tapping with Iran. joe says no to a military draft. and no to going GOoPer!!! wtf gives? get the f out oh..
Why is Lieberman able to draft a Senate resolution paving the way for war against Iran that is adopted unanimously?
Seems all the Senate (D)’s can get behind something, sometimes.
Hows that for unity?
Kind of a sad state of affairs we are living. We know that our president is going to tell us lie after lie tonight. How did it come to this in America?
sporkovat @ 15
That still shocks me.
Jane Hamsher @ 17
Why do you think it happened that way? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
sporkovat @ 15
Link?
I want to see this.
my usual circumspect assessment of Joe Lieberman yields, today, to a big fat F*ck you, HoJo!
Thanks DailyKos, for paying for the poll. Polls are friggen expensive, and no one in the MSM or any of the well-funded think tanks had any interest in doing this, apparently.
It’s an important poll, though, and I hope it gets picked up in the local CT and national media.
“We owe him and everyone who worked on his behalf a great debt of gratitude.”
That includes you, Jane.
Tim
Aye punaise, well said.
Bustednuckles @ 19
egad! here is his release p.r.
Well I have a fever and I am supposed to be sleeping and not just being on the internet. So I will see you later. Bye.
Thanks Petwrecker.
BRB
Bustednuckles @ 23
He does have a way of turning a phrase.
SnarKassandra @ 25
Get yourself well!
For a brief shining moment, thanks to Ned, there was hope. thank you, Ned Lamont.
SnarKassandra @ 25
Hope I didn’t give it to you! Sleep tight.
(No, we don’t think Ned cheated. If he had, then Lieberman would be gone, eh?)
AZ Matt @ 27
set your phrasers to ’stun’
Well I sincerely hope Ned takes another crack at it.
FDL convinced me that Lieberman was beyond retrieval. FDL and its allies were right and the DLC types were wrong. Glad I sent in some money for Lamont.
I guess this is making the rounds: McConnell lied about Bush’s weird mystery-meat intel program helping out in arrest of German terrorist suspects.
McConnell Retracts False Statement
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053085.php
FDL and other blogs are right that you have to be aggressive in getting the truth and word out to voters. So many lies, so many failures and frauds. How do you keep track. People who have to work and take care of family have a hard time keeping up with this. Some of that is because so many have to work two jobs just to pay bills and keep from getting shafted at work these days (even the profs! see Tula Connell).
I try and follow this stuff, but I have to work. Who is McConnell again? He runs the CIA, or he is another national security something or other pooh-bah? Important for people to know that he either is another liar in the bush administration, or another bush boss who can’t keep track of important things going on under his nose. Either one is bad. People need to know.
the part idon’t get is why the people voted for Joe after he LOST a primary. good night.
ttagaris @ 22
Thanks to everyone who worked on Ned’s behalf. At least HoJo got proven the fraud he is.
SnarKassandra @ 7
I meant “did JOE cheat”?
SnarKassandra @ 34
If you look at the cross tabs, it was the old white guys who stayed with Joe. The ones that had been voting for him for 30 years. I guess they refused to believe he crossed to the dark side.
From petwrecker’s link @ 24:
My bold. The company you keep. ‘Nuf said. Interesting to see my weasel senator Coleman on the list as well.
SnarKassandra @ 36
Ahhhhh, that makes more sense.
As I recall, once Joe went Independent, he picked up Republican votes, as the Republican candidate in CT was either nonexistent or extremely weak. But only registered Dems vote in the nomination of the Dem candidate, and Lamont won that.
My bold.
Now there is a crowd of , well, I just won’t use the words I was thinking, but you know what I’m thinking.
So 97 to 0 , all in favor of sword rattling agreed.
punaise @ 31
Capt. Kirk could use you.
Has anyone ever been ever to get an answer out of Reid as to why he allows Joe to keep his committee positions? It is that magical beltway thinking that we are trying to destroy.
Ned Lamont will go down in history as a hero, while holey Joe will be on the losing side.
Bustednuckles @ 19
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00242
wesgpc @ 33
McConnell is the Director Of Central Intelligence (DCI), a cabinet level position created to supposedly get all the intel orgs under one umbrella. CIA is under him now rather than as a separate stand alone. He is, I believe, an active Air Force general (although he may be3 retired but don’t think so). He is in the position that Negroponte gave up to step backwards into a deputy at State.
Joe made a deal to keep his assignments—Reid had the choice of giving them to him or losing the senate. There was really no choice.
ttagaris @ 22
And you too, Tim.
Why don’t the people of CT recall LIEberman? I would like to start a recall movement on Chuck Grassley here in Iowa but alas Iowa has no recall law for senators.
don’t tell me this is part of the september roll-out?
You are so right Jane. I am grateful that Ned had the courage to challenge that hypocritical sack-of-shit Joementum. In my mind, at least, we owe Jim Webb a similar salute. Nobody but Jim thought that George Allen could be beaten, but the Dems control the Senate today because of Webb’s courage.
Joe won’t get elected to his seat again..don’t know what other career interests he has in mind- more time with the family I suppose.
It’s a cryin’ shame that Ned lost, imagine the good that he could have done,instead of that sanctimonious gasbag piece of shit Short ride giving us all the shaft.
I really, really despise that son of a bitch.
Thanks Ned. Many of us were in shock with Conneticut’s vote for Lie berman
Bustednuckles @ 51
don’t hold back, Busted, tell us how you really feel
Wes @ 47
There are no recall provisions for “Federal Officers” which includes Senators and Representatives. Once seated, it is up to the body itself to expel them for just cause.
wesgpc @ 33
Mike McConnell is the DNI (Director of National Intelligence) the big cheese, the guy who is supposed to be over all of our intelligence agencies. Negroponte had the job before him. McConnell is the one who negotiated a deal with Democrats on FISA then when the WH objected, reneged on it, and helped stampede the Congress into gutting FISA entirely. He tried to say that gutting FISA hepled lead to the arrests of 3 Germans who were plotting to attack our big air base in Frankfurt. Except the Germans leaked that information generated by the Americans was produced months ago using the old FISA law. McConnell is a lying sack of sh*t and hack lackey of this Administration.
Bustednuckles @ 40
How in the hell does anyone in Congress possibly think we could go to war in Iran, is beyond comprehension. What in holy hell are the dems thinking. Seriously….. WTF!!?!!
dakine01 @ 54
Thanks for the info.
rwcole @ 50
Before or after he becomes a Republican?
thank you, ned. thank you, ned’s family, thank you, jane. thank you, ct bloggers. thank you maxine.
let’s hope ned is willing to make a come back next election cycle
Are you going to come back in Ned? I will donate
tbsa @ 56
It was just a resolution requiring a report be written. Anyone who might have opposed it probably didn’t think it was worth their time and effort to oppose it because it didn’t really do anyting, except of course help lay the groundwork for a possible attack on Iran.
perris @ 60
that seat isn’t up until 2012. it wil be interesting to see what Ned does in the interim to stay politically engaged, if he so chooses.
Now that I’ve vented my spleen some, Don’t worry punaise, I don’t hold back for that guy,I would like to thank Jane for being so far ahead of the curve.
All by her lonesome she helped make Ned a household name here at the lake.She went so far as to move to Connecticut and do all she could.
Thats is a strong example of conviction.
Kudos madam. Take a bow.
sporkovat @ 15
He’s too busy cleaning up the Katrina mess. One house at a time.
Bustednuckles @ 64
ding!
ccmask @ 65
One c*s*no at a time, surely?
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I believe a lot of people are/were still afraid of the “radical left wing bloggosphere” aka DFH. You hear it and see it when they routinely accuse us of wanting socialized medicine (so?) or whatever. The noise machine is nothing, if not effective.
That certainly played into Hojo’s hands. They try to marginalize us but as Gandhi so prophetically said; “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!”
Erm…I meant to trim that last #70 down to point 4 in the quote…any lurking or otherwise mods, feel free to trim…
petwrecker @ 69
Gas shortages IN Iran? Oy.
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I followed the Lamont Senate campaign from the first- Jane’s post, with Howie saying “Lamont’s the real deal”. Followed it avidly.
It really was the most important national race in 2006. Ned, and everyone who worked officially or or officially to get him elected were incredibly dedicated and principled and (well I could go on and on).
Ned got zero or next to zero support from the “Dem establishment” during and after the primary. Big Bill Clinton, Ms. Clinton, Schumer, Boxer, etc. betrayed him. Real eye-opener to me as to what Jane calls “the incumbency protection racket”.
I’m close to tears thinking about “what might have been”.
peanutbutter @ 69
Plenty of oil. No refining capacity. They must import all fuel oil.
Bustednuckles @ 40 –
the anti-iran bill in the House, h.con.res.21, passed 411 – 2 in june… and they don’t even have a lieberman to blame.
SOmething’s odd — we’re up to at least comment 70, but a hard refresh on my browser keeps going to 51 comments (and a refresh comments button then pulls the rest up).
Just data points for the wizard behind the curtain ;-)
Valley Girl,
Did you get my email?
Hugh @ 62
beyond disgusting– Lieberliar’s stroking of Petraeus and Crocker the other day was indicative of his twisted brain and priorities… oh and Nancy, when are you planning on taking Iran “off the table” ???
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004151.php
Thank you Ned– too bad the Rethuglican Rovian et al slime machine went after this very decent Democratic American and supported their very own chickenhawk.
Thank you Jane.
JF @ 73
Hmph. If I were them I’d be concentrating mightily on developing refineries…
Bustednuckles @ 75
Got one a good while back. Not one lately. When did you send it?
peanutbutter @ 75
Valley Girl @ 71
yes but…. this may seem very strange to you, but it was a time of real hope for me… that decent people can run for office, that decent people can work within the system to effect real change. and some of the hope i found in volunteering for that campaign is with me still.
i am very grateful to jane, because without her encouragement i would never have had the pleasure and honor of working, even in some small way, to support what ned and everyone else was trying to do. it was inspiring.
1,597 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
Of all the tremendous lessons we learned and political knowledge we gained in the Lamont-Likuderman match up maybe none is more important than the role the Clintons and the corporatist Democrats played. We not only got a good look at the corporate war machine that has controlled the Democratic Party since the mid ’40’s but we got a real good look at the Democratic Party leadership…we shouldn’t be surprised at Reid and Pelosi or at the role Rahm Emmanuel and Chuck Schumer are playin in pullin’ the strings and playin money laundry from A*P*C to get Mrs. Bush III elected in 2008.
After the 2006 Connecticut Senate race and now after Mrs. Clinton gets exposed holdin almost a million of corporate pass-thru, no one with even 3 brain cellz left can make any kind of a case for a vote for Mrs. Clinton for anythin above federal dog-catcher.
Keep up the good work Jane…you are a straight shooter…are ya sure yer not Norwegian?
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T FEAR THE BASTARDS AS LONG AS THE SUN RISES IN THE EAST!!
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Boxer especially blew me away! I couldn’t believe it. They talk out of one side of their mouth to us, then stump for a person like Joe over Ned.
I am extremely skeptical of any election using optical scanners or any form of electronic voting, paper trail or no. I simply assume, at this point, that most of our states’ elections are rigged, to various degrees.
As for the debacle of joe’s “victory” in CT – did we ever hear any accounting of the money that went missing as petty cash – to the tune of a couple hundred thousand IIRC?
If the dems had made a solid effort to elect Ned one of two things would have happened:
1) Ned would have won
2) Joe would have won and would have gone gooper and dems would not control the senate.
No way of knowing which would have happened—Joe won by enough that option two is a very real possibility- perhaps the most likely.
OK MODERATORS…WHERE’S MY POST??!!!
Yesterday.
You crack me up Norske.
Ouch
Jane on behalf of everyone in CT I want to thank you and FDL all you did to put this on the national radar. You are the best.
nonplussed @ 81
yes, but it’s better know where people stand… and don’t forget maxine waters and all the campaigning she did for ned. she was wonderful.
sporkovat @ 15
Hey Joe why don’t you sponser something mentioning the number of Saudi’s captured in Iraq working for Al Queida, or if your really worried about nukes Pakistan?
For a supposed defender of Israel you really do act like your on the Al Queida payroll.
Long live Ned Lamont!
If this country ever puts itself to rights again, someone should remember Ned and put a statue of him up in some quiet Connecticut park.
He led the way. And it was that important. And his loss doesn’t matter.
selise @ 80
Selise, no, doesn’t seem strange to me. I felt the same- a time of real hope. And it was inspiring. I think my tears reflect, in part, the fact that those moments of hope don’t seem to come along all that often. And Ned really was/ is “the real deal”.
August 8, 2006 is THE day I became hopeful for America, again, and knew that blogs were powerful, too.
Thanks, Ned and Jane!
selise @ 81
I agree. I think it showed the way of the future too, which was absolutely electrifying. I didn’t participate in comments then, but I did follow the Ned Lamont thing because it was so unprecedented…and hopeful.
What’s “CFL”? As for the other acronym, I no longer recognize it without the asterisks.
Ned got enough name recognition last time around that if he chooses to run again, he’ll have a good shot…
Would have been nice to have him in Joe’s seat- but at least dems held the senate–and that was VERY important…
It all worked out OK.
Maybe in five years we’ll have a senator Ned.
brendan @ 95
“Connecticut for Lieberman”, HoJo’s just-add-water party of one as an independent. Note that it is not LFC.
Some time ago [after 2006], there was legislation in CT to mandate a Special Election, rather than a choice by the governor, if CT’s Senator “left” [for whatever reason].
Any word on what the status is of that legislation? [CT currently has a Republican governor. That was one of the reasons Holy Joe could contemplate “leaving” to be AG or whatever.]
Maybe Ned could move to another state where he is needed…
Jane’s Assistant @ 87
Jane is the Best!
I’m from out of state, so I only was able to work as a volunteer for a week. For my part, I can say that whatever work I did was more than well rewarded. So, the thanks go to you.
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Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
Thanx again Jane for the post. I am moved to think that maybe there is a very large chunk of historical irony waitin’ fer Mrs. Clinton as a result of her pullin’ the strings for Ol’ Joe in ‘06. If Chris Dodd and John Edwards could draw attention to Mrs. Clinton’s questionable corporate funding and her role in gettin Likuderman re-elected, it might jest be enough to expose the wicked witch from Illinois.
Wouldn’t that be grand??!! Irony’s a bitch (and then ya die)!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TAKE ANYMORE SHIT…THE GHOSTS OF SOLDIERS PAST ARE WATCHIN’ US!!
But no one wants to end the war more than Joe Lieberman.
Lying satchel of excrement.
-GSD
Jane Hamsher @ 19
For years the objective of the NeoCons has been to control both parties. They aimed at power behind the scenes with a front man in the PR position to push their agenda. It’s been a long haul but it worked while most of America slept or concentrated on straw dog issues (marriage between a man and woman (anti-gay), antiabortion, opposition to stem cell research) and the masses ate it up.
A few voices objected but they were drowned out by all the noise. Now they have media control, foreign policy control, economic control, military control, deregulation control, voting machine control, to name a few. They don’t believe in democracy and they don’t need the people. The elite rule. That would be them.
ccmask @ 99
I’ll be contributing to the Allen campaign largely because of what this site did for Lamont.
brendan @ 104
Get out of here Macaca lover.
-GSD
rwcole @ 96
beg to differ on the OK part. look how hamstrung the Senate dems are, held hostage by Lieberman. the only worse outcome would have been not getting the razor-thin Webb, Tester, and McCaskill victories.
If I Could Turn Back Time, Or, When Reality Intrudes…
The Mighty Kos commissioned a poll to tell us that Ned Lamont defeats Joe Lieberman in Connecticut. Ooops! Too bad the election is over!
In related news, the assembled staff at Just One Minute has decided to release the results of various polls we commissioned in while under the influence of… well, under the influence of a voracious thirst for alternative history. Or something.
So to satisfy the insatiable thirst of others, I can now reveal that John Kerry defeats George Bush in a 2004 rematch. However, such a rematch is unlikely since Al Gore already defeated George Bush in 2000. (He gets knocked down…)
In other excellent news, Hubert Humphrey defeated Richard Nixon in 1968, but it is not all grim for Republicans – in 1948 Dewey managed to defeat Truman in a poll we would have commissioned back in 1951 (had we been alive), when Truman’s approval rating was at 23%. Truman’s backers can point to subsequent polls in which Truman managed to defeat Dewey again.
Meanwhile, one wonders – how much did the Kos Kids spend on this poll in Connecticut? And isn’t there a starving Dem politician, or even a starving village in Africa, where the money could go to better use?
Is Allen running again? Against Warner? Hope he’s got his losing shoes on!!
I don’t think Brendan meant Macaca??
the Allen who is running against Shays in CT
Punaise
Well sure it would have been better had Ned won- but he lost by ten points- that just wasn’t in the cards—so at least dems won the senate.
punaise @ 110
Maine, Senate.
brendan @ 112
oops.
rwcole @ 107
Uh, I think you are uh, out of the loop here, big guy. I think he means Tom Allen, ME.
1,597 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
Don’t feed the trolls, don’t talk to ‘em, don’t look atom, don’t speak their names…God HAS PLANS fer goblins like Humphrey…oh shit I don’t wanna think about it!!
KEEP THE FAITH, THERE ARE MANY MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THOSE BASTARDS!!
Valley
Thanks- I was lost–lost–lost!!
Allen is running against Liebermanette Susan Collins in Maine.
I was kidding.
-GSD
Jim Himes (BA candidate) is running against Shays.
Valley Girl @ 118
thanks, VG. my knowledge of northeast politcal geography is somewhat lacking.
GSD –
And a George Allen supporter would be the opposite of a “macaca lover”.
Jane Hamsher @ 19
Cowardice remains a continually renewable resource within the Democratic Party.
Holy Joe should be asked what happens to Israel after Bush leaves office?
Will we have won in Iraq? Will we have more dead? Will our Army’s equipment be so run down from constant use in a desert that we won’t be able to occupy Iraq and or Iran after the expected airstikes?
Will America be in any mood or even able to support Israel after years of effort, troop’s lives, equipment and monetary losses?
Will any Americans believe that sending troops to the middle east is worth it?
Probably not.
Holy Joe is in effect causing the very conditions that could lead to the destruction of Israel, the withdrawl of American economic and military support.
From the Independent:
(PS: I want to be the first to say President Betray Us)
The US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, expressed long-term interest in running for the US presidency when he was stationed in Baghdad, according to a senior Iraqi official who knew him at that time.
Sabah Khadim, then a senior adviser at Iraq’s Interior Ministry, says General Petraeus discussed with him his ambition when the general was head of training and recruitment of the Iraqi army in 2004-05.
“I asked him if he was planning to run in 2008 and he said, ‘No, that would be too soon’,” Mr Khadim, who now lives in London, said.
SNIP
Lieberman should fund a free Iranian pornography site—according to him that would destroy the nation- no nukes needed.
“pathological, warmongering narcissist Joe Lieberman “
Just right.
rwcole @ 112
The outcome was not for the best – but it was for the least worst.
GSD @ 116
GSD- well, your humor usually hits the mark, but that was just too subtle. I assumed you were referring to the big dust up re: Susan Collins getting video-taped during a parade (and following foul-mouthed fem-bloggers episode), but the Macacca reference was something that only an FDL addict with a warped brain could appreciate. Was that your target audience? ;)
In fact—-we should be dropping planeloads of photos of people fuckin all over the moslem world-
Winning the War on Terror!!
Valley Girl @ 126
I got it. Oh, wait…
ralphbon @ 121
It doesn’t make sense to chalk this up to “cowardice”. Cowardice explains the failure to challenge funding for the war, or otherwise try to stop it despite not having the necessary majority, but not a unanimous vote like this. I think resolutions of this type point more to the impotence of Congress as an institution rather than to the omnipotence of CFL, er, A*P*C.
rwcole @ 129
fixed!
That Macaca is a real traffic stopper ! :))
I am curious to know if any Diebold voting machines were used in the Lamont/Lieberman race….I still can’t accept that Lamont really lost the race.
rwcole @129:
Start with “Humphrey”.
Lamont lost. The margin of defeat matched the polls very closely—
Unless we elect Progressive Democrats who stand WITH the Constitution, the numbers of Democrats in the House and Senate won’t matter much. They will stand with A*P*C in a position of fear of them rather than support of the Israeli and Palestinian people. We really cannot support one without the other. Unless someone is dreaming of a policy to exterminate one of these people, they must be viewed as a whole.
When one suffers the other feels the consequences. I don’t care who said what when in some heated situation; we are here now and the situation will not be defused with military aggression nor will it evaporate with time. Don’t we have something better to offer these people than arms sales? Apparently not for the past several administrations.
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rwcole @ 124
o.m.g. that is hysterical!
707
kdh22 @ 136
a sort of nude-tron bomb…
ccmask @ 124
Get out!!
brendan @ 121
Felix lover, Macaca hater.
-GSD
Elliott: I swear. Betray Us isn’t defending Bush up there–he’s campaigning!!
Blogging as a force in elections will be very powerful in ‘08. How do we know? Jane proved it two years ago!
Straw hat and paper campaigns like Susan Collins’ are doomed to the big and slow pile of has-beens, like the Wolverines of Michigan and the Irish of Notre Dame.
The speed and accuracy of Blogs are multiplied by our diversity – life changes much faster than the plodding Gooper narrative – but Blogs are the eye-witnesses to History. How do we know that? Jane proved that when she live-blogged the Libby Trial!
The Lake has the best view of Life in Political America! Thanks, for taking a stand Jane!
Jane is the Goddess of Lakes
Any chance of Ned buying a home in the Poconos so he could challenge Arlen?
dakine01 @ 46
McConnell is head of National Intelligence, the Intelligence czar. Michael Hayden, the general from the NSA, is head of the CIA which has been subsumed under the umbrella of National Intelligence.
The Bush administration, in keeping with absolutely NO conservative principles I understand, has expanded the federal bureaucracy to include the Department of Homeland Security and its appendages, the Director of National Intelligence and its appendages, and sundry other little fiefdoms where loyal apparatchiks assist him in emptying the Treasury of OURMONEY and divvying it up among themselves all the while waiting for that corollary of a Bush presidency, the government-sponsored, taxpayer-funded BAILOUT.
OK.. I had to use this occasion to grouse about Joeling.. how dare he show up as a featured guest at the wingnut Freedom Concert?.. alongside Coultergeist, Hannity, Rush and other wingnuts. It’s not enough that he sold us out, he has to thumb our nose in it by hanging out with a bunch of racist thug loons? Ugh. Connecticut needs to banish him, after the requisite tar and feathering, as they did in days of yore.
QuakerGirl @ 137
A fair Peace with Palestine would do a lot to ease tension in the middle east. Between Palestine and our violent occupation of Iraq its no wonder we have no real friends.
ccmask @ 141
unbelievable!
well anyway, he hitched his star to the losing team. It’s gonna be us now — a big D Democratic President of the United States of America.
Alecia @ 132
There was a lot of nefarious stuff done by LiebsCo. Even talk of vote buying. But, it wasn’t the voting machines. Never heard that mentioned as a factor, and believe you me, I was reading closely.
Catch you later.
things come undone @ 123
The problem is not support of Israel, it’s support of the Israeli right wing. They’re about as destructive to their country as our wingnuts are to ours.
Valley Girl @ 148
The slush fund.
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1898…..slush-fund
Seems to be a growing awareness that H. Clinton is beyond the pale.
Her negatives are asymptotic at both ends of the political spectrum.
Her nomination could lead to loss in 2008, the election the fainting goats have been keeping their powder dry for all these years.
The neo-con claque would still be highly influential under a President Obama…as QuakerGirl pointed out, they have targeted the leadership of both parties.
We could use a Ned Lamont here in Illinois to run in a primary against Joe-Bama, someone willing to continually ask tough questions to get through the audacity of the hype.
Plugging up safe blue states with neo-con, DLC puppets keeps the political pendulum pinned over on to the right, leaving a huge vacuum on the left.
If the (D) faithful want to fend off their worst nightmare, the rise of a genuine progressive, anti-war, pro-environment,, single payer health care 3rd Party, they need to credibly move into this void.
The kabuki ain’t working no more, and rote ‘least-worst’ guilt tripping ain’t gonna work forever, either.
Elliott @ 140
While Petraeus is ambitious and political, I’d take this with a grain of salt — apparently the Mr. Khadim didn’t get along with Petraeus too well.
I’m not willing to go to a third party, and I do not think that strategy will work this time around.. we don’t have a choice — if we want to win in ‘08 we have to find a way to put Edwards over the top (or bring Gore into the race). I wish to goodness that there’s another way, but I don’t see it. Somehow we just have to get it done.
Lieberman has pretty clearly gone downhill even since the election. He likes to think of himself as liberated. But it’s actually bad to be “liberated” from your constituents.
Nevetheless, your “(CFL-A*P*C)” crack was pretty nasty in a whole lot of ways. And on Rosh Hashanah yet.
Edited and released by Mods
Redshift @ 155
thanks for telling us this.
brendan @ 150
Someone alluded to that too, in a comment above. Quite a sweet little pot of money that was never accounted for. It’s obvious that Lieberman is a whiny nasty man, but maybe not so obvious to those who did not watch blow-by-blow, he’s also a crook.
Bustednuckles @ 53
It’s a cryin’ shame that Ned lost, imagine the good that he could have done,instead of that sanctimonious gasbag piece of shit Short ride giving us all the shaft.
I really, really despise that son of a bitch.
Yup. Seeing JoeLie on the teevee provides the me the same visceral reaction as when GWB his own damnself is on it.
and slightly OT – could someone ask the official FDL Historian whether Pb@1 is the first EPU’d zed/fitz/frist evah?
EDWARDS ‘08!!!
Valley Girl @ 158
As I recall the Republican candidate in this race was nonexistent or negligible, so HolyJoe got their votes. Yes?
Redshift @150:
You’re misrepresentating the relationship, as if it were a pas-de-deux merely of the countries’ right wings.
The Israeli state, irrespective of which political party rules, has a vital (and legitimate) interest in a powerful lobby in the U.S., and that lobby has successfully established its influence over both U.S. parties.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 39
The only old white guy who stayed with Joe was Bill Clinton. The same old white guy who gave our MSM away to a foreign power.
Old numfuck.
peanutbutter @ 158
All my campaign contributions are going to Edwards. He ’s a good candidate and I can’t wait to hear him speak tonight after the Commander Guy.
Redshift @ 151
They are like the mafia holding the town hostage. There are wonderful, sensible voices in Israel, jailed or silenced in some manner. And they get about the same amount of media coverage here as they do in Israel. And, this is called a democracy!
jayt @ 159
Erm? I’ve been buying off the mods? My own special slush fund? *g*
No idea what’s going on there. Looks like some of my edited posts got moved up to the top instead of left where they were. That new #2, should have been at #70.
That’s okay, I’ll take the award, whatever it is *g*…
peanutbutter @ 158
Yes. And Rove&Co were behind Liebs (of the “Connecticut for Lieberman” party) in the general.
Quaker Girl @162:
It is a democracy. The “wonderful, sensible voices” are a minority.
larry birnbaum @ 156
Did I miss something? Please explain your comment. I’m trying to understand.
peanutbutter @ 165
Looks like I’m in a time machine, too! Posting about Katrina, Lieberman, Lamont, etc from 1999.
Dr Who ain’t got nothing on me!! o/
1,597 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Sportkovat and the Firepup Patriots:
NO THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT!! Declare war on the corporatist leadership in the Democratic Party, march and demonstrate against the war and mobilize forces for an all-out assault on the Democratic Convention. Force the Democratic leadership to make the choice to change or they will destroy the village in order to save it. Even if the fascists in the Democratic Party choose to blow it up, they will be toast and with the internet and national party organization the progressives will be able to rebuild the party of FDR!
The key here is to recognize that ending the war is key and the enemy is the corporate war machine in the Democratic Party…we have a chance to duplicate 1968 but with a difference this time: we have 70% of the people on our side.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND ORGANIZE-ORGANIZE ORGANIZE!!
\o/
OK. That last bit is supposed to be \o/
both hands in the air, cheering/waving
Brendan @ ~131 —
The Democrats’ cowardice consists in their fear of being branded as soft on Iran. That cowardice in turn stems from their abdication of trust in citizens’ ability to nonhysterically assess accurate information about Iran.
I think the word is altogether apt.
things come undone @ 122
This comment, aside being hyperbolic about the “destruction of Israel” is naive about the prospect of us ever withdrawing economic and military support. If we ever really left Iraq, we’d redouble our support for Israel: the standard old leftist interpretation of the U.S.-Israel relationship would actually be accurate again, if it ever was.
brendan @ 167
Are you saying the vast number of people there are right-wing? I must be hanging out with the others. They may be a minority but in a democracy they also have a voice.
ralphbon @ 173
My point is that this Party Plenary kind of lockstep vote is hard to fathom. “Cowardice”, while a factor, isn’t enough to explain it. For example, Jim Webb voted for the 97-0 resolution. Is he really a coward? Do you really believe he was muscled by A*P*C? on this? I was suggesting they view these votes for some reason as meaningless, or at least only marginally harmful, while the political upside (lobby approval) is obvious.
Norske…
…sotto voce…
…my position as an outlier/3rd party advocate expands the spectrum of opinion, and serves to make the ‘radical reform of the (D)’ position more moderate…
my point on the void to the left of the (D)’s stands, correct?
in the consumer realm, unless there is a monopoly, voids are filled and companies make money.
imagine there were only two shoe companies selling clompy Soviet style boots and there were no other choices?
someone would appear and offer what the public wanted, and make a ton of money.
The fact that this is not happening in the political marketplace seems to indicate it is controlled by a cartel, and cartels and monopolies should face the sunshine of competition.
True, the (D) team could diversify and innovate from within, but real competition would help that, as well.
good thread here, anyway.
QuakerGirl @ 104
Ron Paul will bring our troops home to Constitution worth fighting for.
1,597 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Sporkovat:
With all due respect, have you learned nuthin’ in the last 50 years of politics in this country. The primary method that oligarchies use to maintain power is to divide the populous into thirds. The third parties are methods of pullin votes from the populist majority so that even if the third party wins, the oligarchy wins…witness Minnesota with Jessie Ventura and a fascist won the governorship with pluralities the next two cycles with the help of the third party.
Adolph Hitler and the oligarchs in Germany won in 1933 with a classic 1/3-1/3-1/3 split and isolated the populists and progressives from the “communists” and ended up with institutionalized control until the rest of the “free world” united with the commie Soviet Union to dig ‘em out. We have exactly the same situation in this country now…and the last thing we need is a Ralph Nader to get friendly fascism institutionalized in the Democratic Party under Mrs. Clinton.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, BUT BE CAREFUL DON’T SHOOT YERSELF IN THE FOOT!!
er,
missed completely point 1
for example Earth First in the 90’s allowed the Sierra Club, etc to appear more moderate and ask for more.
and with all due respect, have wishful thinking (D) faithful learned anything from the last 50 years?
by always voting for the least worst, we are now stuck with a void where an opposition party should be, allowing Bushco free rein to commit their depravities.
any thoughts on
???
why should we be stuck with a political monopoly/cartel situation, why is that preferable to competetion?
and
whaa? the populist majority both parties are controlled by an elite minority, that’s the problem.
Look at the origins of the (R) Party – they were a fringe, crazy anti-slavery party once, they ran fringe candidates and lost, but held to their principles and within the decade they had President Lincoln.
my original point stands – if the (D)’s leave a huge void to their left, something will arise to fill that void. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Brendan –
I will defend — to
the deather, moderate discomfort — your right to use whatever word you want to describe the Democrats’ collective simpering acquiescence to mendacious, belligerent chest-puffery.I’m not convinced market place competitions and such is the holy grail of perfection.
Or we would have seen this long ago. The existence of cartels is the logical outcome of competition (the best one wins).
So what you need to do is maintain capitalism/competition in an ongoing unstable (no one ultimately wins) state.
And that’s very difficult to do, really.
I blame Ned Lamont for running a crappy general campaign against Joe after Ned won the primary. Instead of continuing to press the anti-Iraq war theme, Ned decided to branch out into other issues. That was a big mistake. Now thanks to Ned’s taking his eye off Iraq, we have Lieberman for five more years. Thanks Ned.
1,597 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Sporkovat:
A “populist majority” exists in every politic, the key for the progressives and the “liberals” is to recognize the issues that motivate the majority of folks and NOT let the oligarchy split any segments off. The fact that the Democratic Party is controlled by shills for the fascists is NOT an arguement for further isolating common folks by abandoning the Democratic Party…that path leads right to the “reeducation camps” and permanent war. Fight, organize take back the people’s party even if it means losin an election.
For God’s Sake…wake up!!
What possible difference could it make. The Connecticut Republicans along with a significant number of deluded Democrats have inflicted Holy Joe upon us and barring his sudden death, we are stuck with him for another five years, four months and three days… Thanks.
Discrediting incumbency
One only hopes that these results signify a more general discontent with incumbents. The voters of CT pretty clearly preferred Lamont’s policies last November, but not quite by enough to overcome Lieberman’s incumbency advantage. As of the date this poll was taken, the voters of CT would seem to have now seen enough to overcome that incumbency effect. It would be wonderful if incumbency were to become a disadvantage, a mark of shame creating the presumption of responsibility for the last six years that incumbents would be forced to refute before their outraged constituents would even consider sending them back to Congress.
Only if this is true more widely in the country do we have a decent chance to get rid of enough Republicans and Blue Dogs that the next Congress will be able to initiate real change. What we have now is only sufficient to prevent some types of fresh awful. To reverse some of the backlog of the last six years of awful, we will need heftier, more ideologically solid, majorities.
A New Yorker that financially supported Ned Lamont. GOP Joe has got to go. GOP Joe needed to go but the Repug Leaders pushed him and the Repug Lemmings went along as they always do. Sorry, Connecticut. Maybe next time. We tried.
Ned should run against Lieberboy Christopher Shays.
thanks to hugh and other commenters who gave the scoop on the McConnell FISA lie fiasco.
I have to say CT got my vote for ‘Stupidest State’ when they re-elected Joe L.
Replacing Florida on my list took some doing.
Way to go guys. Showed a lot of foresight.