Damn, damn and double damn. Somebody noticed that people, regular people (not just us lawyers and maybe some reporters–but goddamn dirty F****** hippies) were using the Internet to follow what is going on in criminal cases; and they are considering putting a stop to all that.
Back in the old days, the only way to access a case file was to physically go into the courthouse, sign out the file from the court clerk’s office and sit there in the clerk’s office reading it. If you were lucky, there might be a largely un-usable photo copy machine that would eat most of your quarters and give you a couple of barely legible copies.
Being a lawyer is SUCH a glamorous job.
The only folks who would really do much of that kind of thing were: lawyers who were in the courthouse anyway, reporters who get paid to go get information, and a few lay people who cared passionately about a given case and were willing to take a weekday off from their day jobs to go to the courthouse. Anybody remember Pach’s famous trip to go get transcripts of one of the Libby pre-trial proceedings?
Now, due to the wonders of ECF, the federal court’s “Electronic Case Management” system and it’s companion “PACER” which allows anyone with a credit card registered with the PACER system to download and print PDF’s of the documents filed with the court; any pajama clad, pasty faced basement dweller can access, read and print copies of almost all the documents filed with the court. The usual exceptions to that being things filed ex parte or things filed under seal.
On September 10th, The Court Administration and Case Management Committee of the Judicial Conference of the United States opened a comment period for public comment on a proposal to restrict access to plea agreements in criminal cases.
To understand what you will lose out on if this restriction goes into effect, check out Marcy’s post here.
The purported rationale for this is that these plea agreements “may” contain information identifying defendants who are cooperating with law enforcement.
That’s just silly. Any AUSA worth spit knows how to use the phrase “confidential informant A” (or B or C as the case may be). If the Regent Law School grads are too dumb to do that, well….
Now more seriously. If you review the incremental work of the judicial conference in this area, over the past few years you will see that they have actually been liberalizing public access to this kind of information. And our beloved Judge Hogan made history by allowing live blogging of the Libby Trial.
LHP ♥s federal judges.
So, pups. I think this request for comments might actually be a request to those of us out here who actually make good and valuable use of the access they have so thoughtfully provided, to help them help us. After all, this is the groundbreaking site that brought the world the first liveblogged federal trial. You all have lots of credibility on this issue.
I think it would be quite useful to them if they received many well reasoned and eloquent comments that explain why transparency is so vital, and how the harms they fear can be minimized. Before writing, if you can spare the time, take a read through the second link and see what they have done and how they have surgically addressed prior privacy concerns.
In the comment period, they are also seeking alternative suggestions rather than a mere “yeah” or “nay”. So, this is your opportunity to offer your own suggestions about public access to the federal courts system.
When was the last time someone gave YOU an opportunity to help set a policy for all the federal courts to follow? I think the US Judicial Conference is exhibiting the healthiest regard for participatory Democracy we have seen in quite a while, so let’s respond in kind. Please keep your emails to them, respectful and constructive—and on point—we want this outreach to be SO successful that they will repeat it in future.
Maybe some other branches of government might even be shamed into following suit?
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Wow. Sure hope they don’t shut this down…
Damn and double Damn from my basement with my pajamas on.
Zed!
Great post and great idea to comment. Thanks LHP
So close
Server seems to be under stress at the moment?
Everyday we lose more and more of our privacy, yet our government becomes more and more secret.
Hi looseheadprop!
LHP “I think the US Judicial Conference is exhibiting the healthiest regard for participatory Democracy we have seen in quite a while, so let’s respond in kind.”
And if ever there was a time that they need to help restore the American public’s faith in our Judicial system the time is NOW!
Looseheadprop! Thank you for this. The idea of being able to influence a decision of this magnitude is thrilling.
lhp – are your posts getting snarkier/funnier or is it just the way I read them?
On the serious note – I would love to write some comments. Does anyone have any suggestions on structure for this type of comment?
(I started laughing at your first paragraph –too, too many afternoons killed trying to get the copy machine or even the microfiche machine to make decent copies, all the way back to my legal assistant days. No one wants to go back to those days!)
Thanks LHP. IANAL, but knowing we have so many legal minds on this site gives me hope.
Was it Walton or Hogan who authorized the bloggers for Libby?
4 zeds= 1 zip. I win!!!
Mod: I had trouble with the comments. Reloaded page and had it posted twice. Please remove one. Thanx. [Mod: Done.]
Nobody writes a respectful, constructive email like yours truly.
This is so very important. I’m in.
LHP so is there any evidence that this access has been abused, caused interference, etc etc?
Off topic BIG news. Reported at Kos and elsewhere, the Golden Boy of Bush in Anbar has been blowed up! The self-appointed Big Dawg of the so-called “Anbar Awakening”, just 10 days after being photographed shaking Bushie’s pasty hand, is now hamburger helper.
Read it and the links. Abu Ardvark (linked in the post) also has some good poop on the Dead Golden Boy.
OT comment. I love the great posts and comments here – and the traditions (zeds, lurking mods, snark, cuppa, recipes, TREX) and the format, i.e. new comments at the bottom so you can tell what is new since the last time you peaked. I find reading the Kos comments much harder that way, because I don’t feel like reading everything again a third time.
Should we mention that “looseheadprop” encouraged us to write? Just kidding.
Richmond @ 18
Now Richmond:
Only the cognoscenti (that is, members of the zedocracy and zedophiles) will understand what you’re saying here…*g*
In that news release from the Federal Judicary, they say “All comments should also include an email address and a fax number, if available, as well as an indication of whether the commentator is interested in participating in a public hearing, if one is held.”
Hmmm . . . a public hearing . . . hmmm . . .
If there’s a proposal to expand an airport, the relevant policymaking group generally holds at least one hearing in the vicinity of the airport, to hear what the locals think. If there’s a proposal to change the rules around a national park, there’s generally at least one session in or near the park. If they’re going to propose restricting internet access, it makes sense that they’d hold at least one hearing on the internet. But the internet is a big place, so let’s narrow it down a bit.
Maybe FDL could to offer to host a public hearing for them. It’s not my place to make that offer — that’s Jane and Christy’s call — but I’d love to hear them say “We’re not just interested in participating, but we’ll supply the website, tech support, etc. to make it happen. This is important, and an online public hearing would be a powerful way of demonstrating public interest in online access.”
Great post, LHP, and definitely one that needs input from the online public.
Praedor Atrebates @ 22
If I’m not mistaken that’s the guy that CNN’s Michael Ware did a piece on the other day
OMG,
This is so important even I, the lowly mechanic am going to respond.
The Libby trial was so riveting, the legal analysis so thorough, that we all became slaves to the latest PACER filing. I cannot express how important that is. Letter wring mode on.
Thank you so much LHP!
But… but…but how are we going to slip into despotic, authoritarian tyranny if we keep demanding transparency from our government.
Biodun @ 25
*g* back at you!
Richmond @ 23:
You’re leaving out such FDL goodies like EPU’d, Tweety, Timmeh, Chimpy, 707, ROTFLMO, and so on.
And I agree with you that FDL is not simply “a blog somewhere” (to quote the CBS News email to the MoveOn member in Christy’s post yesterday).
So could ANY lawyer get access? Would reporters have to get law degrees to cover the crime beat?
What are the practical consequences of this- seems that the press would raise holy hell.
Biodun @ 28
yup. Not much of a writing day for me. Got a meeting in a few, then gotta prepare class for Monday. Gotta, gotta, gotta.
That’s just silly. Any AUSA worth spit knows how to use the phrase “confidential informant A” (or B or C as the case may be). If the Regent Law School grads are too dumb to do that, well….
If only it weren’t true! And now the Bushistas want to saddle us with one of the main instigators of their November 2000, coup – Ted Olson.
Bustednuckles @ 26
Bite your forked tongue. There is nothing lowly about having prized mechanical skills and knowledge. I, for one, desperately wish I had some.
It was interesting to see comments submitted previously
Comments Received in 2000-2001
Thank you LHP!
I second Marie Roget @ 22
While not a member of world’s second oldest profession, I’ve truly appreciated (almost surprizing) access to certain things. Would hate to lose such access, so ‘heads-up’ much
valued, indeed.
Elliott @ 11
Hi to you too
Cozumel @ 26
I saw that piece on CNN as well, it appears to be the same individual.
Peterr @ 25
Absolutely!
yellowsnapdragon @ 34
What yellowsnapdragon said.
Yesterday I spent 20 minutes figuring our how to open the garge door when the garge door opener broke.
(hint: the only mechanical toggle on the whole assembly is the cue….not the string hanging off the light assembly)
The Clusterfucker may have trouble finding Iraqis who want to share a photo op with him.
Somewhat related. I’m following a federal civil case…
http://www.charleston.net/news…..b_worries/
A couple of months ago the court clerk accidentally or mistakenly posted the Plaintiffs’ Memorandum in Opposition to Defendants’ Motion for Summary Judgment and the exhibits thereto online. As well as the Defendants deposition of the Plaintiff. Those were ALL supposed to be sealed documents. Whoops!
Kirk, my emergency thingy on the garage door opener looks like one of those hand pulls on a lawn mower. It is connected to a steel arm that disengages the chain that the motor runs. Is that what you meant by cue?
OT. Amazing Tweety interview with Vote vets (and a new Vote Vet ad too) Re. Petreus.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
tejanarusa @ 14
If you clicked on the first link, you will see that the Judicial COnference is encouraging the use of email for the comments.
Nonetheless, I would sugget you format you email in a formal letter way. You set it up to look like a letter.
Justice Ginsberg may end up reading what you write, so make it elegant for her.
I would suggest that you also check out this post of Marcy’s where she amply demonstrates how she has put that access to very good use uncovering wrongdoing.
For all we know, her work may even be helping the ivestigations along. I know that more than one prosecutor reads her on a regular basis.
Marcy’s use of on line access to thos eplea agreements is citizen investigation journalism at its very, very best.
Gnome de Plume @ 15
You don’t have to be a lawyer to send a comment
Gnome de Plume @ 43
Yep. I’m not very good with mechanical descriptions, either….
And I stay away from pool altogether. Not enough felt in the world….
Pachacutec @ 16
Marcy said Hogan, Why do I still have Walton? I thought I corrected that.
Bustednuckles @ 25
During the Libby trial the links to the case files etc deepened my understanding of the Judicial process and had me feeling that it really mattered if a peasant like myself understood what was going on. I felt part and parcel to the Judicial process and found myself questioning, understanding and appreciating what our Constitution and laws are based on. The direct access had me hungering for more information, more facts. I want to thank all of you lawyer folks and others here at FDL again for tolerating those of us who do not understand the law as well as many of you do.
At this time the lack of confidence in our Judicial system and congress is at an all time high! One would think the courts would see the value in allowing the common folks access.
In Petraeus- Clusterfuck found a guy who wants to ride a victory in Iraq into the White House- a perfect fit. He can’t be the noble victor unless he’s allowed ta keep fighting the fucking war- so he’s got all his eggs in Clusterfuck’s basket.
Kathleen @ 20
There is a rumor floating around that sounds like a WH/Gonzo spin to me about a website called “whosarat” that “outs” informants and undercover agents–some people are just twisted.
Anyway, I had a cruise around the whosarat site and they get their info from defense lawyers who were there for the plea allocution, from co-defendants, from others involved in the cases, or weirdly from tipsters in the government. (OT–WTF is up with that?)
So , whosarat’s access to this information and it’s abilty to add it to its rat database would be almost completely unaffected by this proposal.
The plea agreements and plea allocutions would still be publicly available, just not on the Internet.
So, the folks who out undercover’s will be unaffected and still in business, but folks like Christy and Marcy and Scarecrow, and (who ever I just left off this list is gonna hate me–I’m sosos sorry) will be shit otta luck and won’t be able to follow the Abramoff threads or the Cunningham threads where ever they may lead.
looseheadprop @ 45
Agreed — Too bad the Pulitzer committee requires that someone’s fine journalistic efforts must appear in a dead tree version of a newspaper to be considered for their prizes.
Wonder how americans would have responded back in 03 if they had been told:
“I’m gonna give ya all a chance to spend a trillion dollars or so and probably about 8,000 american lives in order to change the govt in Iraq from what it is now to something else- we have no fuckin idea what.”
How many would have cheered for that one?
Kathleen @ 23
I’m already getting email (or whatever messages are called at facebook) from judges. Which is very humbling and flattering. I cannot believe they have time or attention for me.
Kathleen @ 49
I second that. It was a moving experience to follow the trial, learn about procedure, and understand finally what a justice system is all about. And I double my thanks to everyone who made it possible for us to participate in that way.
Kathleen @ 49
You wax eloquent.
Thumbs up! And to them what spin spanners as well!
Bustednuckles @ 28
Mayor of the nearest town when I was a kid was the guy who repaired our tractors, bailers, pumps, & anything else that needed fixing. A genius w/amazing repair skills. Not lowly, but exalted describes the know-how & ingenuity of mechanics IMO…
rwcole @ 50
Too bad he’s riding a horse that tripped and fell out of the gate.
Here’s what I sent them -
Dear Court Administration Policy Staff,
Thank you for taking comments regarding Internet Access to certain
aspects of criminal cases involving cooperating defendants. While I
welcome and wholeheartedly endorse the same privacy protections for a
cooperating defendant as I would for any witness, it is my sincere
hope that you will equally take into consideration the public’s right
to know regarding the administration of Justice in our great Country.
I am not a lawyer, but I am an interested citizen who follows news of
our Justice system in action, and constantly marvels at how lucky we
are to live in such a free and transparent legal system. Much of what
I have learned in the last two years has come as a result of
blogging, where the better sites, on both right and left, take
filings before the various Courts and analyze them for their relation
to both precedent and prevailing circumstances. This ‘living civics’
approach has been invaluable in making me a better-informed citizen,
as I am sure it has for many others, as well.
Consider a redaction scheme, if you must, but by all means, please
leave the evidence of our fair and impartial system available to all
via the Web in plain, public view.
Again, thank you for opening your processes up to public comment: I
feel like a participant.
LHP – is this transparency just for Federal Courts?
Praedor Atrebates @ 21
Petraeus and Crocker hit town with their smoke and mirrors show. Look at the pretty graphs, look at the pretty charts, you are getting sleepy, very sleepy. They aren’t even out the door, the Great Decider has yet to pronounce his New New Way Forward, and the stats are in the trash, the mirrors are beginning to crack, the smoke to dissipate, and hopefully the Congress to wake up.
rwcole @ 53
You mean that ‘cakewalk’ thingy hasn’t gone as hoped?
Peterr @ 52
If Pulitzer can’t update their requirements, then maybe it’s time for a Big New Prestigious Award for reporting, regardless of whether trees were felled in the process.
they could call it the emptywheel or somethin’
Peterr @ 25
I have heard that the judges are very interested in the internet and how to move forward with it. Also, I think they want to understand blogging better because more and more cases will be cominghteir way involving free speech, copywrite, libal, etc.
Who know’s, maybe they might like the idea. Prior to it happening, I never would have beleived a federal court would allow the live blogging of a federal trial. Look how wrong I Was
Thank you for your kind comments, most people tend to look askanse at dirty fingernails.
Not being the most eloquent SOB on the planet, I never the less did indeed write them;
My sincere greetings.
I am but a lowly mechanic in this world and by writing to you on this subject this reflects the urgency of my feelings on this matter.
My first point on this matter should reflect on the ease it would be to refer to anyone concerned with privacy issues to refer to them anonymously.An examlple being subject ‘A’.
The now famous ‘Scooter” Libby trial was a national fixation for me and many others. The fact that it was one of the first to allow ‘Bloggers” access to the proceedings and be ‘Liveblogged” allowed many thousands of people to follow the trial almost instananeoulsy and even was referred to by the main stream media for it’s accuracy.
The analysis of the legal proceedings was revolutionary and groundbreaking and was in no small part available for mass consumption because of the availability of the PACER system.
I cannot stress the importance of transparacy and open access to information from our government and especially the justice department in this critical period of time.
Thank you for your time and consideration of my statements.
Sincerely,
Philip Paul
Complete with typos. LHP, you are teh real deal.
XOXO,
Busted
looseheadprop @ 52
So basically the DoJ argument is another bait and switch strawperson to distract from the real (albeit unstated) desire to maintain the secrecy and control this administration is infamous for. Wonderful. /s
looseheadprop @ 54
Wow! fun!
although it’s surprising judges have facebook pages.
rwcole @ 31
The information will still be open to the public, just not avaible online anymore. You would have to physically go the courthouse with your roll of quarters. If you are trying to follow a plea inthe Ted Stevens investigation, you would have to go to a courthouse in Alaska?
Did anyone get the Evite for Alberto Gonzalez’s DOJ going away party?
looseheadprop @ 51
That, right there, reveals the idiocy of this proposal.
If the purpose of the proposal was to safeguard informants, you seal off the whole damn file. Since that’s not the proposal being offered, it suggests that someone has a different purpose in mind.
Hmmm . . . Who might have a grudge against the blogs over a legal case? Who might want to pushback to salve a damaged ego?
Scooter? Cheney? Addington? Rove? Yoo? Team Irving? . . .
LHP, is there any way to determine where this proposal came from, other than “the Federal Judiciary”?
Not sure if this has been posted already, but Jane’s article at HuffPo rawks…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..64234.html
Gnome de Plume @ 43
Let me know if you have an opener question.
radiofreewill @ 59
Very nice!
I sent one..not elegant.
But it is done and makes clear there are less restrictive ways to accomplish this with regard to particular information about cooperation, such as filing a sealed addendum.
Elliott @ 35
Actually, I recommend that you all look at a few, if you can spare the time. You will get a feel for how to frame your comment and maybe some ideas for the as well
tbsa @ 72
That’s from yesterday afternoon and is about a dozen threads down.
A bit off topic but related.
What about C-span?? I keep it on as background noise when I study, so I’m very aware of it’s schedule. I’s time to register a massive complaint of bias to Brian Lamb ‘The Scheduler’.
Every, and I mean every right wing forum, speech event or group is aired live or repeated in prime viewing slots. Few Democratic or ‘Left’ events are treated as well.
Why is a Heritage event given prominence over a Congressional Democratic hearing with the likes of Bob Barr(R) about Constitutional matters? I never saw the hearing. I
Right now for a good example is a live Heritage event about the Iraq war, the #1 issue in Congress and America. And what does Lamb consider ‘balance’?
An old Aspen event on the media.
As if a having a free media is what the Left wing hipie Democrats ‘do’ v. the Right taking on more serious matters of war.
Lamb must be asked to step down!
dakine01 @ 76
I wasn’t here yesterday, busy registering people to vote. Forgive me….
Gnome de Plume @ 60
I’m not sure I understand your question. The federal courts are considering restricting an access the public currently enjoys.
They are asking for public comment before they reach a decsion.
so, yes, this proposal affects only the federal courts.
Cozumel @ 26
Doesn’t it remain to be seen if the dead sheik will now become a martyr and his followers will go after Al Qaeda even more strenuously now (if they find that an Al Qaeda IED killed him, that is.) Is someone else likely to step in to fill
his spacethe power vacuum his death will leave?HAZmaq @ 78
CSpan has never been identified as a “balanced” news organization nor has Brian lamb every shown any partiality to Dems. He’s a conservative business man with a business plan and biases. No more, no less.
Bustednuckles @ 65
They taught eloquent writng at mechanics school, Busted? That was a better letter than I would have written. Thank you.
Oh and XXOO right back attcha
LHP,
here is what I sent.
In case it is helpful to others:
The new regulations would fly in the face of the public interest with regard to public access and transparency about the resolution of criminal cases.
The proposed solution of restricting access is also not the least restrictive way of resolving the problem of possible disclosure of information identifying cooperating defendants. This could be accomplished through redaction or delay of publication of plea agreements. Similarly, parts of agreements that include disclosure of this information could be filed under seal as an amendment.
Our court process are supposed to be open to the fullest extent possible while still allowing for fair and just adjudication of cases. Shutting down or sharply restricting public access via the internet is not the correct solution.
Further, there is a high-level of public interest in the results of criminal cases, especially those involving crimes in the public sphere and involving public officials and public acts. Information contained in such plea bargains often contain appropriate and important information about the culpability and involvement of other people who have sought to improperly influence public acts.
The internet is an important tool and has contributed much to public access. Such restrictions would in the end also not be effective as parties who are truly connected and in jeopardy would still have access in person. The only limitation would be on those pubic-spirited citizens who cannot afford or are distant from the court building.
If the courts find they must restrict access because disclosure would hit hard at future prosecutions, the only logical rule would be to limit access to all. That, of course, would fundamentally change the way courts do business, and undermine the integrity of the public court system.
Bustednuckles @ 66
Hope you don’t mind if I use yr. email as a template for mine. I tend to get a little flowery sometimes. Yours is more direct, to the point- the no b.s. approach. You’re a mechanic, alright ;-)
LHP: I fixed it. No worries!
Elliott @ 67
I don’t understand how facebook works. Do they have to have facebok pages in oreder to write to mine?
rwcole @ 39
Superimpose an image of the millions of Iraqi refugees in Syria…like grains of sand with faces on them directly behind Bush. Tell the Iraqi Refugees it’s getting better.
When I think about Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz repeating mantras like we want to win the “hearts and minds” of the Iraqi people with their “compassionate conservatism”, I want to vomit. It is horrifying to think about what the Iraqi people are going through.
The Bush administration belongs at the Hague for War Crimes , for knowingly creating an enviroment for a genocide to take place.
The American public would rather not see what has taken place in Iraq since the invasion and the MSM is happy to comply.
Robert Fisk is another story
http://www.robert-fisk.com/ira….._page1.htm
Ann in AZ @ 81
If you read the post and the linked info at Abu Ardvark’s site, you will find that though this Sheik was “loved” by the US government, he was despised and distrusted by his fellow tribal sheiks. He and his boyz were “highway robbers” and “thieves” as it was. It is very very possible that he was blown away by fellow sunni rivals, NOT AQI.
off topic, sorry, but dod officials have officially called rumsfeld a moron for what he claimed in GQ, from think progress;
looseheadprop @ 80
It was really kind of a dumb question, as all of my experience is in family courts, as a child advocate. All my cases have been in county and state courts (Texas). I am working on a custody case where the original filings, hearings and pleadings are in Maryland. So I was dreaming about being able to access all of that stuff online rather than having to pay for (bad) copies.
Peterr @ 70
It is possible to write to the Judical Conference and ask them. I don’t know if they would tell, but it might not be a secret
LHP “The plea agreements and plea allocutions would still be publicly available, just not on the Internet.”
Which would cut the common folk out because we are not going to visit the courts to order the documents.
Maybe they want us to stay in the dark? Is that the ticket?
looseheadprop @ 91
I’ll give it a try.
peterboy @ 83
WhooHoo, go go
looseheadprop @ 87
Not sure but believe they do have to be on facebook but they don’t have to be your facebook “friend” to do so.
Of course, I may be an idiot.
Marie Roget @ 84
Excellent. Are you sure you weren’t wearing pajamas when you wrote this?
They are only considering limiting access to plea agreements. Federal plea agreements contain a section called “Factual Basis for the Plea.” In that factual basis, the details of the crime are laid out, including names of those with whom the defendant interacted. In cases involving cooperation, which is most cases these days, the names are not of informants but of codefendants and co-conspirators, including those indicted and not.
Also, the plea agreement, in the sentencing guideline calculation portion, will state if the defendant is cooperating for a sentence reduction. This could put the defendant or his family at risk from co-defendants who haven’t pleaded guilty.
An easy answer would be for the defense lawyer to file a motion to seal the plea agreement in cases in which the defendant might be physically harmed by the disclosure. However, some judges refuse to seal the plea agreement believing the public has a right to know.
Access to a cooperator’s plea agreement can also jeopardize his or her safety when he gets to prison.
In the Libby case, no one pleaded guilty. This change would not affect the access to the pleadings.
In the Abramoff case, on the other hand, almost of those snagged cooperated and the details are in their plea agreements. However, you can get almost the same information from other pleadings filed in the cases by both sides.
I haven’t decided how I feel about removing access to plea agreements yet. As a blogger, I’d like them to stay up. As a defense lawyer, it’s probably better that access be restricted.
But it’s important to note they are only suggesting limiting access to a single document, a plea agreement. All other pleadings would remain accessible.
And, you will still be able to know who cooperated by reading the Sentencing Order and Judgment of Conviction. Any downward departure for cooperation will be included.
Thank you Pach!
Kathleen @ 49
So, Kathleen, it appears you already have the bulk of your letter written with few adjustment and editing in this comment alone! I think this is a very good start.
Thank you Jeralyn! Very good picture that we can all undrstand.
looseheadprop @ 86
Yep.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 97
I which case, all the same jeopardy will still still accrue. No one is made safer by this proposal and the public is shut out.
Also, Marcy has some success finding nuggets in plea agreements that either werene;t found elsewhere or were overlooked in other documents.
dakine01 @ 95
You’re right, they don’t have to be to send you a message.
OT: For those who will be in DC for the march, Ms. Redshift is deejaying at an after-party!
lhp—
ygm
looseheadprop @ 86
When you click through on someone’s blue f from here, you can send that person a message.
OT–
One Warner wants to replace another:
Elliott @ 106
Depends. Sometimes you need to be logged into facebook to see it.
Elliott @ 106
Yep.
Biodun @ 107
It took me a w hile to figure out that the second Warner is a Dem. Talk about sloppy writing, this is the only thing that clued me in: “(after he dropped out of an early bid for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination)” Even his website doesn’t specify. Gah. Anyway, this promises to be interesting, if confusing with the multiple Warners…
If this flies it’s NOT going to keep these docs off line because someone WILL go to whatever court house, scan them, put them on a PDF and post them online. The big loser? PACER, imo
peanutbutter @ 111
I think most VA folks are aware of the difference since Mark was the Governor for four years as a Dem even while John has been in the Senate.
Well, I’m ready to sit down to compose my Comment for the court now, thanks for all the great examples you all wrote…
Elliott @ 106
Ahhh, so that’s how so many folks are finding my page. Jane set up pages for all of us.
thanks for the great assignment, lhp!
looseheadprop @ 91
IT WAS A DOJ REQUEST. Probably initiated through Chief Justice Roberts whos chairs the judicial commission.
dakine01 @ 112
True, but I wonder how many “low-information voters” will vote for him next year because they think they’re re-electing John. Not a lot, and there’s no way of knowing, but I bet there will be some.
Thank you to everybody who sends in a comment.
There are still weeks to do so, so should some reader come across this post after FDL Comments are closed, please do consider sending your thoughts to the judical conference.
They really will benefit from have the persepective of citizen jouranlists
Redshift @ 117
Then those same low info voters probably helped get Mark elected Governor as well.
LHP – thank you for bringing this to FDL. By the time things got fleshed out at TNH, it was a little late at night and it got lost with all the constant activity these days on all fronts. This is important for those in the blogosphere.
I already emailed. This will be one small step in making sure our government is open and accountable. The issue we are dealing with in this post is just a symptom of what’s happening in our entire government; they don’t want us to know everything, just the few things they want to feed us.
We need a pledge from all presidential candidates that they will make the dealings in the White House transparent and open to all. Anyone that refuses to sign it (oh yes! we want it in writing!) will have to explain why. More importantly, once they are in power and start trying to hide everything we can then show them the written pledge and find out how their actions are justified after pledging differently. I am just as concerned with Democrats as with Republicans – they all get drunk with power when elected. We also need the pledge from all in Congress eventually.
LHP,
Thanks for this heads-up.
Re Public comments:
Do comments by lay people along the lines “please keep access open” carry any weight, or do you have to articulate a detailed argument proving why access should remain open?
Bob in HI
OT:
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0913.html
“Shortly before 10 am on the morning of September 11, 2001, amid rumors of a fourth hijacked plane headed for Washington, DC, a mystery aircraft appeared in restricted airspace over the White House. There has never been an official explanation for this incident, which has provided abundant fuel for 9/11 conspiracy theories.
CNN has now learned from two government sources that the mystery plane was a military aircraft and has determined that the blurry image on video appears to match photos of the Air Force’s E-4B (discussed here on Wikipedia), a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit.
“The E-4B is a state of the art flying command post,” CNN explained, “built and equipped for one reason — to keep the government running no matter what, even in the event of a nuclear war, the reason it was nicknamed the ‘doomsday plane’ during the Cold War.”
From Wiki:
“The 24 hour alert status at Andrews AFB ended when President Clinton ordered the aircraft to remain at Offutt unless needed, though relief crews remain based at Andrews, and Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. One E-4B is kept on full alert at all times.”
How did the E-4B get to DC and other sites by 10 AM all the way from Nebraska?
My letter.
Sept 13, 2007
To whom it may concern,
I am writing to you about the possibility that access to court documents which have to do with with cases that effect the welfare of our country and American citizens may be shut down.
During the Libby trial the links to the case files etc at the blog FireDoglake deepened my understanding of the Judicial process and had me feeling that it really mattered if a peasant like myself understood what was going on. I felt part and parcel to the Judicial process and found myself questioning, understanding and appreciating what our Constitution and laws are based on. The direct access had me hungering for more information, more facts. I believe that many of the commenters at Firedoglake are attorneys and they would help people like me ( farmer, landlord, soccer mom) when I would have questions about the documents and the court procedures, it was truely enlightening. I have continued to go to other blogs to access and read other documents in Federal cases that effect American citizens lives, National Security and freedoms.
Also during the Libby trial I encouraged a group of Ohio University students (including my 20 year old daughter who is a student at Univ of Colorado who was home visiting) to join the Firedoglake blog community. They too became riveted with the process, began asking more questions and began to deepen their understanding of the Judicial process and what our founding fathers were after when they birthed the idea of a balanced, fair and just system divided into three “supposedly” co-equal branches. We read the documents and talked about this a great deal as the trial was going on. Being able to access these documents via the internet made the possibility of deepening that understanding possible.
Most of us know that the confidence in our Judicial system and Congress are at an all time low! I sincerely hope that the courts see the value in allowing common folks continued and easy access to the Judicial system via the Internet. You can only strengthen our Judicial system by continuing to allow us to deepen our understanding via this newly transparent process.
Sincerely
Kathleen ****
(a 55 year old soccer mom)
Edited by Mods for security purposes
Redshift @ 104
hope to be there
Why? and another question…Why?
bobschacht @ 122
Bob – any and all letters are good. In addition to the suggestions and comments here, LHP has a link in the main post above to the TNH thread where we were all discussing this a few days ago. There is additional information and more suggestions there you may find interesting if so inclined.
I will try to send my letter but I often have trouble using the email program they are using for comments. In any case, here is my letter:
To whom it may concern:
To preserve and enhance their legitimacy, courts must be open and transparent to the public to the maximum consistent with privacy rights and good judicial practice. As times change, as we enter in and engage more deeply with the electronic age, the definitions of open and transparent also change and the courts must reflect these changes. Public documents should be available to the public, not in a technical and increasingly restrictive sense, but practically so and in the public commons of our age, the internet. Making the public documents of the courts truly available to the scrutiny of the public which they serve will increase the professionalism with which such documents are written, filed, and processed. Currently, the expectation is that few outside those directly involved will review the records and form opinions on them because, due to their relative unavailability, few can.
Will there be abuses? Yes, but good practice in anonymous reference to at risk parties, for example, can mitigate these. Moreover, as long as documents are in any way public those who would seek to use them abusively will do so. Efforts to restrict access will not harm or impede them, but the public’s right to know the operations of its government through its courts will be greatly damaged. The situation opposes an onerous and ineffective remedy against a few prudent precautions, the public good, and the public trust. The answer to which of these must take precedence is clear.
Thank you for your time and attention,
This access has just opened up in the last few years why would they want to shut it down? That is unless they do not want us to understand the system better, and want us to have less access, question less, accept more and just be part or all sheep.
Hugh @ 128
Yes
Kathleen @ 124
Kathleen, I like your letter, but thought you might want to be told about two small errors: you wrote “with” twice in the first paragraph and “truly” is misspelled in the second paragraph. I was hoping to catch you before you sent the letter, but if not, it’ll be fine anyway.
Wonder if any of this hullabaloo has to do with access to documents having to do with the A*P*C case? I mean hell the MSm has barely mentioned anything about this investigation and 7 times delayed trial
The Franklin, Rosen, Weismann indictment http://www.globalsecurity.org/…..ug2005.htm
I hope emptywheel does not mind me reposting her comment to a reader over at TheNextHurrah.
It is important, because emptywheel addresses another benefit of the public scrutinizing the plea deals:
“BSR
I wasn’t very clear about Tommy K in my post or in my emailed comments. But I think it is the best example. So you might say something like:
Using online access, bloggers Marcy Wheeler, Laura Rozen, and TPMM, have followed the Thomas Kontogiannis plea deal (and the Wilkes cases) closely. Kontogiannis’ deal is of particular interest to citizens because 1) it occurred in a case that DOJ was alleged to have tried to impede and 2) it appears that Kontogiannis’ crimes greatly outweigh the assistance he has given the federal government.
Thus, it is the kind of case that ordinary citizens ought to be able to scrutinize, to assess whether our justice system is making appropriate charging decisions. Eliminating online access to such filings would raise the costs of such scrutiny beyond the point where it would be accessible to average citizens.”
Thanks Ann.
Jane has a new thread up after Tula’s.
Ned Would Wipe The Floor With Holy Joe Today
LHP, I sent this to everyone in my book who is in the courts plus anyone I thought would have friends in the courts.. .and of course to other DFH-types on my list who would be inspired to take action.
Thank you for the information.
Wonder when the MSM or the blogosphere will cover anything about this investigation?
A*P*C indictment
http://www.globalsecurity.org/…..ug2005.htm
These folks were handing out classified info about Iran and negotiations. When will the MSM touch this?
COUNT ONE
Conspiracy to communicate National Defense Information
THE GRAND JURY FURTHER CHARGES THAT:
Between in or about April 1999 and continuing until on or about August 27, 2004, in the Eastern District of Virginia and elsewhere, defendants LAWRENCE ANTHONY FRANKLIN, STEVEN J. ROSEN, and KEITH WEISSMAN did unlawfully, knowingly and willfully conspire, confederate and agree together and with others, known and unknown to the Grand Jury, to commit the following offenses against the United State s:
1) having lawful possession of, access to, and control over information relating to the national defense, did willfully communicate, deliver and transmit that information directly and indirectly to a person or persons not entitled to receive it, having reason to believe that said information could be used to the injury of the United States and to the advantage of arty foreign nation, a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 793(d); and
2) having unauthorized possession of, access to, and control over information relating to the national defense, did willfully communicate, deliver and transmit that information directly and indirectly to a person or persons not entitled to receive it, having reason to believe that said information could be used to the injury of the United States and to the advantage of any foreign nation, a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 793(e).
WAYS, MANNER AND MEANS OF THE CONSPIRACY
A. It was part of the conspiracy that, in an effort to influence persons within and outside the United States government, ROSEN and WEISSMAN would cultivate relationships with FRANKLIN and others and would use their contacts within the U.S. government and elsewhere to gather sensitive U.S. government information, including classified information relating to the national defense, for subsequent unlawful communication, delivery and transmission to persons not entitled to receive it.
B. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN would use his position as a desk officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense to bather information relating to the national defense, for subsequent unlawful communication, delivery and transmission to ROSEN and WEISSMAN and others not entitled to receive it.
C. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN, ROSEN and WEISSMAN would meet at locations in the Eastern District of Virginia and elsewhere, to exchange information, including classified information relating to the national defense.
D. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN would unlawfully deliver, communicate and transmit classified national defense information in an effort to advance his own personal foreign policy agenda and influence persons within and outside the United States government.
E. It was further part of the conspiracy that ROSEN and WEISSMAN, without lawful authority, would communicate to persons not entitled to receive it, classified information relating to the national defense.
LS @123:
The plane in question left from WPAFB in Ohio. At least one of it’s type did, dunno if it’s the one reported over DC.
Boxturtle (About 6 miles from WPAFB)
Boxturtle @ 138
4 of my uncles were engineers at WPAFB.
Just sent my compelling letter (cross fingers)….
I believe with this formidable team we would be very hard to ignore our wishes….
Good luck……
And here is my letter:
There is only one reason to reseal any portion of a public document system that is open to the public. That reason is, that someone is trying to get away with something. The court system does not grant acess to people. The people of this country cede a certain amount of control to officials to do the business of the people. “power obtains from the people.”
The public’s business should be done in public, and in this day and age that means leaving everything that belongs to the public where the public can get at it. The people who put the open system together understood this, understood that for a small fee, it is the public’s right to see that which is the “public’s business.” Including cases where the reading of any docket begins with the words “The people of the the United States VS…..whomever.”
To remove this acess is just one more step in the direction of a police state. All cases, plea agreements, dispositions, and transcripts of trials should remain open. One can only surmize that someone who wishes to clcose them has something to hide, and that, in itself, merits an investigation.
Raphael E. Serebreny
End of letter.
I left my real name on this, because I saw that “bustedknuckles” left his on, and it is time to start speaking out.
Further comment:
It might be, that in the 21st century, not only should one have the right to a speedy and public trial by a jury of ones peers, but that that right should include a right to have the cogent documents that are placed in evidence for discovery by the defence and prosecution should also be placed on the internet for the examination by the public without the “filter” of what has turned out to be a politicized press. And if an organ of the press has done an honest job in reporting a document (such as a plea bargin) then no one should have any objection to the public having the ability to check the veracity of the reporting by reading the source document themselves. The documents, afterall, belong to us, and if they don’t expose the identity of a secret agent, or the precise instructions on how to make an atomic bomb or something like that, but instead expose a corrupt politician, then so much the more reason for those documents to be available to all.
Redshift @ 117
In WV for many years there was a US representative named Jennings Randolph. Some time after he retired another man named Randolph Jennings ran for the same seat. He didn’t win, but it was funny.
I’d also bet there have been a lot of Kennedy’s run for office since name recognition is so important.