‘allooo…

Exciting news!! Congratulations.

Yes!
The Diane Rehm show today. Attorney General the first hour. Al Neuharth founder of McUSA Today second hour
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/

(((((((Christy!)))))))

Good men and women are coming to the aid of our Country!

Clinton and Israel
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..jerusalem.

After Finkelstein: Alan Dershowitz, a Clinton supporter, pressures Obama
http://www.muzzlewatch.com/

Probably won’t make the Hart blog but hope someone will ask him what he would have asked or told Petraeus and Crocker if he had still been in the Senate.

And Good Morning To everyone!!

Great that you were able to get Senator Hart to join the Lake! I don’t agree with him that Democrats should focus on “renewed internationalism”, but boy is he ever right with the key issue being “What do the Democrats stand for? Why are the party leaders so quiet?” It’s going to lose the Presidency and maybe the Senate for the Democrats in 2008 if they don’t come up with something positive to run on PDQ.

I agree our leadership has become mute – but I attribute it to being muzzled by the mighty Republican Wurlitzer (have to go along with Hillary on this Right Wing Conspiracy). The Repubs just play the game better.

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

I didn’t see it – but didn’t Obama make a speech yesterday telling GWB that he does *not* have Congress’s permission to bomb Iraq?

Seems to me that’s an issue where the entire Party could (and should) dig in its heels, no equivocating, no exceptions, just a flat-out balls-to-the-wall united front.

It’s a political winner, imho. If the R’s want to quibble over who can make Gitmo the biggest, who can tell the scariest terrorist stories, etc., let the Dem’s compete as to who can sell the harshest consequences for GWB should he go Dr. Strangelove on us. Impeachment? Immediately.

Jewish Voice for Peace. Finkelstein resigned but a Professor who was supporting him still needs peoples help

http://www.democracyinaction.o….._KEY=12504

EPU’ed from previous thread:

This is truly “special” – after everything we have heard this past week!

WASHINGTON, Sep 12 (IPS) – In sharp contrast to the lionisation of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus’s superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting.

Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be “an ass-kissing little chickenshit” and added, “I hate people like that”, the sources say.

The whole story at:

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235

I heart Gary Hart.

viera at 12 — Yeah — Jane hit that square on the nose yesterday evening. *g*

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

Very similar here. I don’t know if the area would actually go majority Democratic, but there are a lot of Republicans who are feeling antsy about the party, for all the obvious reasons — the war in Iraq which keeps dragging on with no end in sight, corruption and sex scandals, costs for everyday things going up, a feeling that Washington isn’t listening, etc. They would like to hear what the Democrats are proposing, but they just hear silence on the issues along with begging for campaign money. So they disconsolately stick with the Republican, at least it’s the devil they know.

ANYONE NOTICE THE CBS BS ABOUT IRANIAN-MADE ROCKETS HITTING THE GREEN ZONE?

I don’t doubt that it was an Iranian rocket, I don’t doubt the terorists used it to bomb the Green Zone. I do doubt that the entire population of Iran should be held accountable, with these blanket accusations that cover a lot of innocent people.

Here’s how it was posed;
“a type of weapon provided to Shiite extremists by Iran, a U.S. general said Thursday.”

Here was my response…

When some sleazy American weapons dealer sells a rocket to some third-world despot, we don’t say “America provided the weapon” even if it was made here.

So how can you be so glib with your accusations, do you REALLY KNOW if “Iran” (The whole nation?) provided those rockets, it could have been a sleazy Iranian arms dealer, not “IRAN” per se.

This is just more fear-mongering. Weigh your words, or you will once again be culpable in creating an unnecessary and deadly war.

Peace is the only goal, and the impact and intent of every choice you all make with your words will be judged against that standard.”

That comment was intended for every MSM journalist who still has a soul.

I have a fine tradition of sending money during a primary to the person who ends up not getting the nomination. The first recipient of the Twenty Dollar Check of Doom was Gary Hart. I still think he’d have done better than Mondale in 84.

If moderation is the common ground, for Democrats and Republicans, to agree on the equal application of Justice for all, then I’m all for it…

…but my heart is with RevDeb’s.

Sing out! For, lo, the skulls of the Goopers be thicke…

“the challenge to free them from moderation.”

Great perspective, I feel the same way too, but
hey, here in Kansas, moderation is revolutionary.

slightly OT, but referenced in the same comment, early childhood education IS the key, to so many of our woes. Early childhood exposure to cultural and racial diversity would also help.

cleter @ 17

I have a fine tradition of sending money during a primary to the person who ends up not getting the nomination. The first recipient of the Twenty Dollar Check of Doom was Gary Hart. I still think he’d have done better than Mondale in 84.

Have you donated to Hillary, yet?

cleter @ 17

I have a fine tradition of sending money during a primary to the person who ends up not getting the nomination. The first recipient of the Twenty Dollar Check of Doom was Gary Hart. I still think he’d have done better than Mondale in 84.

Considering the likes of Craig, Foley and Vitter, Hart might just win the Evangelical morality vote today.

OT – Mark Warner announces bid for Senate

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

RevDeb:
Have you finally moved to the Philly area? If you can, go to the Philly one sometime. Some famous bloggers often go.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 14

viera at 12 — Yeah — Jane hit that square on the nose yesterday evening. *g*

Christy, having spent 22 years in the U.S Navy (now retired), it seems to me that there is much more division within the senior leaders on the way forward than most people realize.

I was really surprised that Fallon was selected to be CENTCOM but that just tells me that there are real differences of opinions within the Military Services and it is beginning to surface outside the walls of the Pentagon.

You can expect to see more of this unless there are radical changes regarding the military role in Iraq.

Had not been over to the Bradblog in a while. Worth the visit
http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=62

RevDeb @ 9

Where in Pennsyltucky do you hail from?
I now live in Pittsburgh, recently moved from Chester Co. Am convinced that everyhing west of Kimberton is ‘hinterland’.

JEP @ 19

“the challenge to free them from moderation.”

Great perspective, I feel the same way too, but
hey, here in Kansas, moderation is revolutionary.

slightly OT, but referenced in the same comment, early childhood education IS the key, to so many of our woes. Early childhood exposure to cultural and racial diversity would also help.

There’s an example of a good Democratic issue that would really resonate with people. How about someone saying they’ll provide vouchers for free day care for any family making under, say, $30,000, along with universal health care for children up to the age of 12? To be paid for by rolling back Bush’s tax cuts for the rich. That’s the kind of thing people would expect to hear from a Democrat. But no, all we get is lectures about how in Washington you need to wait years to take baby steps that require huge campaign organizations … at which point everyone’s eyes have glazed over.

cleter @ 17

I have a fine tradition of sending money during a primary to the person who ends up not getting the nomination. The first recipient of the Twenty Dollar Check of Doom was Gary Hart. I still think he’d have done better than Mondale in 84.

Send your next one to Clinton! :-)

Edwards ‘08…

“The base of Democratic conviction must be the foundation for the courageous promotion of renewed internationalism founded on new international institutions and alliances, the restoration of principles of equality and social justice at home, and the reminder essential to all republics that we must earn our rights by performance of our duties.”

Calling Matt Bai, I believe you were asking about ideas from the Democratic party?

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

I wonder if “moderate Democrats” think because the GOP is so far to the right (like, they’re falling off the edge of the earth), being “moderate” makes them “lefty”? Maybe they don’t realize that being moderate actually puts them to the right hand side of Democrats.

Kathleen @ 5

Clinton and Israel
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..jerusalem.

After Finkelstein: Alan Dershowitz, a Clinton supporter, pressures Obama
http://www.muzzlewatch.com/

Dershowitz is the single most arrogant, intellectually bankrupt, neo-con ideologue I know.

DrenchedOtter @ 27

JEP @ 19

“the challenge to free them from moderation.”

Great perspective, I feel the same way too, but
hey, here in Kansas, moderation is revolutionary.

slightly OT, but referenced in the same comment, early childhood education IS the key, to so many of our woes. Early childhood exposure to cultural and racial diversity would also help.

There’s an example of a good Democratic issue that would really resonate with people. How about someone saying they’ll provide vouchers for free day care for any family making under, say, $30,000, along with universal health care for children up to the age of 12? To be paid for by rolling back Bush’s tax cuts for the rich. That’s the kind of thing people would expect to hear from a Democrat. But no, all we get is lectures about how in Washington you need to wait years to take baby steps that require huge campaign organizations … at which point everyone’s eyes have glazed over.

I am becoming convinced that a lot of the Democrats are being corrupted by corporate contributions.

It is amazing that Huckabee is not getting more attention from the Republicans. I just do not get it with Giulianni, Romney, or McCain

http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2…..ticle.html

Running for Life Coach
by Michael Brendan Dougherty
One-on-one, Mike Huckabee is the GOP’s strongest candidate, but will that be enough to propel him to the
top tier?

The latter book mentioned in the post sounds interesting; I’ll have to take a look at it.

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

Redshift @ 35

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

Heh. I plan to catch a youtube of it afterwards, hopefully with a transcript…

Redshift @ 35

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

The thing about MSNBC is that not enough people will see it. I wish he’d put it on the big three, or at least one of the big three.

Oddly enough I would say Huckabee has the same problem Edwards does: the media doesn’t pay attention to him…

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 37

Redshift @ 35

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

The thing about MSNBC is that not enough people will see it. I wish he’d put it on the big three, or at least one of the big three.

I’m guessing the big 3 want to get back to their big money-making reality crap.

peanutbutter @ 28

cleter @ 17

I have a fine tradition of sending money during a primary to the person who ends up not getting the nomination. The first recipient of the Twenty Dollar Check of Doom was Gary Hart. I still think he’d have done better than Mondale in 84.

Send your next one to Clinton! :-)

Edwards ‘08…

Maybe I’ll ask Sen. Hart for the doomed 20 back, just to make sure Hillary gets 20 actually Doomed dollars. I’m kind of worried about Edwards, because he got the Doombringer in 2004, and I’m not sure if it dooms a candidate for all time, or just for one election cycle. I’m hoping its effects are only good for one election cycle, and that Edwards can pull it off this time.

Redshift @ 35

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

Good for Edwards. I hope he comes out with something strong and clear. Obama started out well I thought, but then he got into mealy-mouthed talk of “goals” and withdrawing only “combat” troops (which means most troops would stay in Iraq indefinitely because they aren’t classified as “combat” troops), etc. The Democrats desperately need to define where they stand on Iraq or they are going to lose any credibility on the issue. I think they only have a few days to do it.

christy – great news! and thanks for the early warning… it gives us a chance to think about the question(s) we want to ask.

Have to admit I’m still annoyed at him for double dog daring the reporters back in ‘84. He would have been MUCH better than Mondale. Oh well.

Another perspective.

Intifada against common sense
Ida Audeh, The Electronic Intifada, Sep 10,2007
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article8984.shtml

http://electroniciraq.net/news…..3199.shtml
Hospitals under pressure as doctors move abroad
Report, IRIN, Sep 7, 2007

Violence, poverty, unemployment fuel rising alcoholism
Report, IRIN, Sep 7, 2007
http://electroniciraq.net/news…..3198.shtml

Getting better according to Petraeus!

JF @ 39

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 37

The thing about MSNBC is that not enough people will see it. I wish he’d put it on the big three, or at least one of the big three.

I’m guessing the big 3 want to get back to their big money-making reality crap.

Edwards “no timeline, no funding, no excuses”

From the White House to Congress yesterday:

Message to the Congress of the United States

White House News

TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:

Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency unless, prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the anniversary date. Consistent with this provision, I have sent to the Federal Register the enclosed notice, stating that the emergency declared with respect to the terrorist attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, is to continue in effect for an additional year.

The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues. For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2007, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

Ahem.

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county.

anyone go to a drinking liberally in long island

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

There is no goddmaned center. They are chasing something that DOES NOT exist. FDR, LBJ, and Reagan did not win big landslides by “moderating.” And if they bring up Clinton–he didn’t win in 92 because of his moderate DLC claptrap. He won because he was Not-Bush, and because of the fortuitous presence of a third-party billionaire’s relentless attacks on the incumbent. Do not let them confuse Bush 1.0’s weakness in 92 as an affirmation of Clinton’s DLC-style strength. This “let’s be moderate!” crap has a track record of failure.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 37

Redshift @ 35

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

The thing about MSNBC is that not enough people will see it. I wish he’d put it on the big three, or at least one of the big three.

I wish he could but unfortunately, while the big three have way more audience than cable, they’re also way more expensive.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 23

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

RevDeb:
Have you finally moved to the Philly area? If you can, go to the Philly one sometime. Some famous bloggers often go.

It’s a ways away and I have most tuesday nights booked with meetings. I do plan to get there one of these days. Already met a bunch of them at YKos2.

And from WaPo this morning:

Democratic leaders in Congress have decided to shift course and pursue modest bipartisan measures to alter U.S. military strategy in Iraq, hoping to use incremental changes instead of aggressive legislation to break the grip Republicans have held over the direction of war policy.

Biodun @ 46

From the White House to Congress yesterday:

Message to the Congress of the United States

White House News

TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:

Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency unless, prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the anniversary date. Consistent with this provision, I have sent to the Federal Register the enclosed notice, stating that the emergency declared with respect to the terrorist attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, is to continue in effect for an additional year.

The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues. For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2007, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

Ahem.

Wasn’t there something about the President being able to declare marshall law and/or take control of the entire government in there was a national emergency?

Why is my tin-foil hat burning?

David W. Bartoo @ 26

RevDeb @ 9

Where in Pennsyltucky do you hail from?
I now live in Pittsburgh, recently moved from Chester Co. Am convinced that everyhing west of Kimberton is ‘hinterland’.

I’m now living where you moved from.

peanutbutter @ 43

Have to admit I’m still annoyed at him for double dog daring the reporters back in ‘84. He would have been MUCH better than Mondale. Oh well.

The double-dog dare was in 88 when he was the presumptive front-runner. Hart ran in 84 and 88. Fortunately, Dukakis stepped into the void that Hart left in 88, and ushered in the era of peace and prosperity that we all enjoy today.

Toby Wollin @ 30

RevDeb @ 9

I find it all scary. I went to the local Drinking Liberally last week and it is being spearheaded by the Young Dems of the county. It is a “trending blue” county that has been red for a long time. These young guys were preaching moderation which made my head hurt. If that’s what the PA Dems are about and that’s what they are spoon feeding their young, we really are in trouble. And one of them teaches govt. at a local high school.

Not sure whether or not I want to take up the challenge to free them from moderation. We’ll see if I have the time and energy and if they are willing or able to realize that moderation will kill us like it’s killing so many fine servicemen and women and so many more Iraqis.

I wonder if “moderate Democrats” think because the GOP is so far to the right (like, they’re falling off the edge of the earth), being “moderate” makes them “lefty”? Maybe they don’t realize that being moderate actually puts them to the right hand side of Democrats.

I think they are trying to be moderate in an effort to gain the votes of mostly conservative Republicans, who essentially are afraid that Dems are closet Communists. They’re trying to tease them over by taking baby steps. I think the other thing is that when they govern, they will have to govern all the people, not just progressives, who, I believe, are still a minority. Anyone have any statistics? If not, we really ought to be asking those questions about which progressive basics most resoundingly appeal even to traditional conservatives, and push those hard. Christian principles should really help here, like do unto others, like wiping out the Pharisees from the temple, etc. etc. etc.

Happy Rosh Hashanah – a PEACEFUL and healthy 5768 to all pups!

Kathleen, your Clinton link at #5 above doesn’t work.

Biodun @ 51

And from WaPo this morning:

Democratic leaders in Congress have decided to shift course and pursue modest bipartisan measures to alter U.S. military strategy in Iraq, hoping to use incremental changes instead of aggressive legislation to break the grip Republicans have held over the direction of war policy.

Screw ‘em. No more money to any sitting Dem Senator or Representetive.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 37

Redshift @ 35

OT: Just got an email that Edwards has bought time on MSNBC to rebut Bush’s speech immediately afterwards. I guess we’ll have to put Shrub on mute so we can be sure to catch the start of it.

The thing about MSNBC is that not enough people will see it. I wish he’d put it on the big three, or at least one of the big three.

MSNBC is a cheaper buy and he knows that “his” audience is more likely to watch that. Then hopefully it will make enough of a splash that parts of it will be aired on other stations on their news for free.

That would be my guess.

peanutbutter @ 43

Have to admit I’m still annoyed at him for double dog daring the reporters back in ‘84. He would have been MUCH better than Mondale. Oh well.

Yeah, that little action did not show anything more than an incredible level of arrogance and stupidity.

There is no Goddammed center

Yes, there is!

OT:

McConnell lied in his testimony to Congress about FISA legislation. Seems like the old FISA law was working just fine in stopping the Terror plot in Germany. McConnell claimed the new changes to FISA allowed the capture of the Terrorist cell in Germany.

Good thing there is only about 5 months left of that terrible law. Here is the linky: Click Here

JF @ 52:

This is what a “national emergency” allows Chimpy to do:

For at least one more year now, the president will retain for himself the power to suspend the operation of any law regarding the promotion, involuntary retirement, separation or numbers of commissioned officers in the military; to increase the number of active-duty military personnel beyond that authorized by Congress; to call all members of the Ready Reserve as well as retired Coast Guard personnel back into active duty; and to “detain enlisted members of the Coast Guard beyond their terms of enlistment.”

Biodun @ 62

JF @ 52:

This is what a “national emergency” allows Chimpy to do:

For at least one more year now, the president will retain for himself the power to suspend the operation of any law regarding the promotion, involuntary retirement, separation or numbers of commissioned officers in the military; to increase the number of active-duty military personnel beyond that authorized by Congress; to call all members of the Ready Reserve as well as retired Coast Guard personnel back into active duty; and to “detain enlisted members of the Coast Guard beyond their terms of enlistment.”

So much for the “volunteer military”

Biodun @ 51

And from WaPo this morning:

Democratic leaders in Congress have decided to shift course and pursue modest bipartisan measures to alter U.S. military strategy in Iraq, hoping to use incremental changes instead of aggressive legislation to break the grip Republicans have held over the direction of war policy.

This won’t break the Republics grip. Only the direct glare of the media exposing the Republics’ games will do that, but it’ll never happen, given the media of today.

Ed*ard Teller @ 56

Happy Rosh Hashanah – a PEACEFUL and healthy 5768 to all pups!

Kathleen, your Clinton link at #5 above doesn’t work.

Happy Rosh Hashanah to you too ET.

And Happy Ramadan to Firepups who are Muslim!

nonplussed @ 60

Yours is possumly one of the best comments on ‘centrism’ I’ve ever seen. Great!

JF @ 52

Biodun @ 46

From the White House to Congress yesterday:

Ahem.

Wasn’t there something about the President being able to declare marshall law and/or take control of the entire government in there was a national emergency?

Why is my tin-foil hat burning?

I believe that is a normal requirement of law. IIRC when there was an earlier one of these causing folks to panic, the law requires the President to send a letter to the Congress annually declaring that the State of Emergency first declared on such and so date is still in affect. There ae plenty of other reasons to be in a panic about BushCo but this is probably not one in and of itself.

“There is no Goddammed center”

There is no there, there.

dakine01 @ 67

JF @ 52

Wasn’t there something about the President being able to declare marshall law and/or take control of the entire government in there was a national emergency?

Why is my tin-foil hat burning?

I believe that is a normal requirement of law. IIRC when there was an earlier one of these causing folks to panic, the law requires the President to send a letter to the Congress annually declaring that the State of Emergency first declared on such and so date is still in affect. There ae plenty of other reasons to be in a panic about BushCo but this is probably not one in and of itself.

Thanks, dakine01

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin’s son, Track, enlisted to become a US Army infantry soldier the day before yesterday, September 11. He’s 18, the same age as my son, who went to the rival high school. According to my son’s friends, Track wants out of the house even more than ET, Jr. does…

Recently, by chance, I had an opportunity to review some of the 1984 campaign for the Democratic nomination for President.

I was stunned at what a visionary Hart was.
Like Gore, and few others, this man has the ability to see around the corner and into the future.

I hope he has a significant role in our government after the 2008 election.

RevDeb @ 58

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 37

The thing about MSNBC is that not enough people will see it. I wish he’d put it on the big three, or at least one of the big three.

MSNBC is a cheaper buy and he knows that “his” audience is more likely to watch that. Then hopefully it will make enough of a splash that parts of it will be aired on other stations on their news for free.

That would be my guess.

Excellent. I’d like him to push forward into (progressive) territory where few other candidates are willing to go.

Apparently there is a bill coming up in the senate that will give goopers something to vote for to take a position against the war but which won’t do a damned thing to stop it. Can’t imagine why Reid would let em off the hook like that.

My lasting impression of Gary Hart was a picture of him sitting with Donna Rice (who I recall was really hot) on a yacht called “Monkey Business.” He dared MSM to follow him to prove his peccadillos. Ah, those were the days! Pre-Monica, pre-basically everything.

Fresh thread, up and running for everyone.

Biodun @ 74

My lasting impression of Gary Hart was a picture of him sitting with Donna Rice (who I recall was really hot) on a yacht called “Monkey Business.” He dared MSM to follow him to prove his peccadillos. Ah, those were the days! Pre-Monica, pre-basically everything.

I remember the play on that with Opus.

nonplussed @ 60

There is no Goddammed center

Yes, there is!

707!! Love it!

Biodun @ 62

JF @ 52:

This is what a “national emergency” allows Chimpy to do:

For at least one more year now, the president will retain for himself the power to suspend the operation of any law regarding the promotion, involuntary retirement, separation or numbers of commissioned officers in the military; to increase the number of active-duty military personnel beyond that authorized by Congress; to call all members of the Ready Reserve as well as retired Coast Guard personnel back into active duty; and to “detain enlisted members of the Coast Guard beyond their terms of enlistment.”

If he had to give up the stop loss program the military would start to evaporate. Then again, with the economy tanking for everyone except the wealthy, he might fill the army with a lot of people facing Hobson’s choice.

thanks Ed The link works at first and then doesn’t. At JTA.
Clinton gets boost from rabbi poll,
calls for undivided Jerusalem
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..salem.html

Rosh Hashanah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah

The Torah refers to the day as “The Day of the Blowing of the Shofar” (Yom Terua, Leviticus 23:24), and rabbinic literature and the liturgy itself describe Rosh Hashanah as “The Day of Judgment” (Yom ha-Din) and “The Day of Remembrance” (Yom ha-Zikkaron). Some midrashic descriptions depict God as sitting upon a throne, while books containing the deeds of all humanity are opened for review, and each person passing in front of Him for evaluation of his or her deeds. All of these names are also referenced in the holiday’s extensive liturgy.

REVIEW OF ONE’S DEEDS, what a good practice.

Sweet! The man is brilliant.

This man *is* the solution to our foreign policy issues. Whomever is elected in ‘08, Hart should be named Sec of State.

Good morning Christy -

Three poignant threads in a row while I’m still asleep, partially awake and staggering around the kitchen making my pot of tea. And, I shall drink every last drop. You must be one of those mythical morning people. I am amazed.

This interview with Gary Hart will be a breath of fresh air. The topic is in this blog every day. I’m looking forward to a full dedication to a Hopefully, we influence.

If not us, who? I’m heading upstairs.

From this morning’s LA Times – it was on the front page, with the headline above the fold:

THE TIMES/BLOOMBERG POLL
Clinton appeals to antiwar Democrats

By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 13, 2007

WASHINGTON — – Gayle Moore, an Iowa nurse, wants U.S. troops “out, out, out” of Iraq as soon as possible. Darleen McCarthy of South Carolina fears that Iraq is turning into “another Vietnam.”

But when these two Democrats vote in January to help decide their party’s 2008 presidential nominee, neither plans to support the self-styled antiwar candidates. Instead, they are siding with the one top contender who voted to authorize the invasion and has refused to apologize for that — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

“It’s just a gut feeling,” said Moore, 53, a mother of five. “It’s her experience.”

A new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll of voters in key early primary states reveals that Moore and McCarthy are hardly alone. They represent a paradox of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination: Although a plurality of Democratic voters considers the Iraq war to be the most pressing issue facing the candidates, the more hawkish Clinton has found a sweet spot in the debate.

Many of those voters who want an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops support her candidacy and consider her best able to end the war, as do many who back a more gradual drawdown.

[snipped]

My reaction was that they need to look at the blogs to see what the anti-war Democrats think of the candidates and, in particular, Hillary. I think they’d get a big surprise.

Looking forward to this discussion with Senator Hart.

I was kinda disappointed with The Courage Of Our Convictions, though. Good and absolutely necessary, but it curiously seemed lacking as a book. Perhaps better as an essay. And it’s not that the Senator can’t be compelling. I found The Shield And The Cloak: Security Of The Commons to be spot on.

I met Gary Hart once, he told me to get a haircut.

Wasn’t Gary Hart the guy who was blatantly philandering and expecting the press to keep their mouths shut about it? Only one paper didn’t? And embarrassed the rest of the media which then sheepishly reported it, while holding a blogger ethics panel?

I have respect for him for one thing and one thing only: Helping to breaking the rule that says the media should (wink) (wink) look away when it comes to sex, booze, and other personal pecadillos. It takes a pretty crass guy to shake up the MSM establishment like that.

I’d like to ask him this question: Why won’t the press report Bush’s philadering and drinking?

mc @ 68

“There is no Goddammed center”

There is no there, there.

Joe: Hey, look over there it’s a shiny object!

Frank: Nah, it’s just a dead armadillo.

Joe: You sure? Faux News said it was all shiny or a pretty blonde girl or somethin’.

Frank: Yeah, but they’re all morons.

Joe: Well yeah, ya got me there.

Simp @ 80

Sweet! The man is brilliant.

This man *is* the solution to our foreign policy issues. Whomever is elected in ‘08, Hart should be named Sec of State.

I don’t know about SoS, but I think Hart and Bob Graham (former Dem Senator of Florida) would be a couple of excellent sources for advice.