Why is it that foulmouthed left-wing bloggers seem to be the only people who have noticed that there’s a peculiar set of political rules ruling the Beltway, particularly within media circles, these days?
Here’s what we’ve noticed: For some reason, Democrats must be the model of decorum and civility and moderation and bipartisanship when it comes to governing; any deviance from this script brings on fainting spells and finger-wagging. Meanwhile Republicans can be as vicious and nasty and ruthless and nakedly partisan as they please, and their “toughness” is merely celebrated.
Just this morning, Sen. Patrick Leahy laid out in an L.A. Times op-ed what the Senate Judiciary Committee hoped to see from any forthcoming nominee to replace Alberto Gonzales as the nation’s Attorney General. It’s straightforward and thoughtful, largely in line with the bipartisan tone Democrats have adopted in making clear what they’re hoping for from the White House in the wake of the mess over the firings of nine U.S. Attorneys that resulted in Gonzales’ resignation. It concludes:
- The president begins this process. Through his choice for attorney general, he can be a uniter or a divider. For the sake of the Department of Justice and its vital missions on behalf of the American people, this would be an excellent time to work with us to unite the nation.
“Work with us” has been the byword for Democrats on the nominee. But this same morning, a New York Times report gave us a clearer picture of the White House’s idea of working with Democrats:
- The White House is closing in on a nominee to replace Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, with former Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson considered one of the leading candidates, administration and Congressional officials said Tuesday.
Reports of Mr. Olson’s candidacy suggested that President Bush, in choosing the third attorney general of his presidency, might defy calls from Democrats and choose another Republican who is considered a staunch partisan to lead the Justice Department. Mr. Gonzales is departing after being repeatedly accused of allowing political loyalties to blind him to independently enforcing the law.
“Clearly if you made a list of consensus nominees, Olson wouldn’t appear on that list,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer, the New York Democrat who led the Judiciary Committee effort to remove Mr. Gonzales. “My hope is that the White House would seek some kind of candidate who would be broadly acceptable.”
Nominating Ted Olson is nothing short of a sharp stick in the eye to Democrats. Because they don’t come any more partisan and power-grabbing and ruthless than Ted Olson. There isn’t a more consummate Bush insider than Olson.
Olson’s name was floated as a potential AG last March, when it first appeared that Gonzales was in trouble, and as I noted at the time, such a nomination would essentially be asking to replace Gonzales with Gonzales On Steroids, especially when it came to the executive-privilege claims the White House used to protect itself during the congressional investigations into the USA firings.
But then, as Tom Schaller observed at the time:
- The GOP understands that real power has less to do with election results than legal maneuvering. In fact, conservative lawyers worked hard during the last decade to limit presidential power, before promptly reversing course after Mr. Bush won …
And there’s no one who understands this better than Ted Olson, who has a long and sordid legal career devoted largely to Nixonian manipulation of the law on behalf of Republicans. The classic example: Olson complained bitterly about the independent-counsel laws as being open to abuse when he was himself the subject of an IC investigation in the 1980s (a matter I explored in some detail for Salon). Yet in the 1990s, he was an ardent advocate of abusing the IC statutes in pursuit of President Clinton, as Joe Conason reported in some detail as well.
Those early years, as I reported, also raise considerable doubts about Olson’s subsequent reputation for his superb legal acumen. His attempts to claim executive privilege for the Reagan White House — which resulted in political disaster for Reagan — were later described by a prominent Republican involved in the mess as “without a doubt the sloppiest piece of legal work I had seen in 20 years of being a lawyer.”
Of course, much of the country remembers Olson as George W. Bush’s advocate before the Supreme Court in the 2001 Florida election fight, wherein he also distorted and fabricated his way to one of the most dubious legal victories in history. When he was subsequently nominated to be the nation’s Solicitor General, he once again distorted and misled his way through Senate confirmation hearings, effectively covering up his ugly partisan role in the Clinton witch hunt.
Subsequently during his tenure as SG (which ended in 2004) he played a key role as the White House’s legal architect, and almost certainly was the brains behind its wide-ranging grab of executive powers:
- Certainly in many other areas — particularly the aggressive assertion of executive powers in setting up military tribunals and designating citizens “enemy combatants,” as well as various surveillance powers under the so-called Patriot Acts — the Bush White House has displayed all the signs of attempting to reacquire powers lost to the executive branch in the 1970s … a belated “Nixon’s revenge,” as it were. There is a high likelihood that Ted Olson has been one of the guiding lights in these acquisitions.
“Executive privilege” is especially an area near and dear to Olson’s heart. And it is clear, from his record, that Olson believes such privilege should be nearly illimitable — unless, of course, the president is a Democrat.
What his record especially suggests is that Olson may very well lead the Bush White House on a merry goose chase, attempting to extend executive privilege into areas where it was never intended, and where almost certainly legal mischief could turn up afoot. It has the makings of a real train wreck.
This is especially the case now, with a Roberts Court that likely would give this White House wide deference on such claims. With Olson in charge of the Justice Department, the White House would have a wide berth to pursue these executive-privilege claims with impunity.
Compare, if you will, Olson’s track record with the criteria Leahy offers in his op-ed:
- * Experience and sound judgment grounded in respect for the law and for the vibrant framework of checks and balances among co-equal branches of government.
* A proven track record of independence to ensure that he or she will act as a check on this administration’s expansive claims of virtually unlimited executive power.
* The commitment and the personal attributes needed to regain credibility and the respect of the public, Congress and the Justice Department’s workforce.
* A willingness to apply the law without fear or favor, without regard to partisan politics, and to stand up to the White House when necessary. The attorney general is the people’s lawyer, not the president’s.
* A commitment to restore vigilance and vitality to a civil rights division that has been run onto the rocks by misdirection and by shameful — possibly even illegal — efforts to replace dedicated career attorneys with applicants who were improperly hired for their political loyalty to the Bush administration.
* A respect for Congress’ oversight role. At its best, the confirmation process can be a clarifying moment. It can also be a catalyst for resolving problems like the White House’s refusal to provide witnesses and documents that are needed to answer questions about the U.S. attorneys scandal and the warrantless wiretapping program.
Now, there are many Republicans, good loyal conservatives, who would fit this description more than adequately. But if Olson really is the nominee — and it’s hard to say whether this is a mere trial balloon — then it would be hard to envision someone who less meets the qualifications. On nearly every count, Olson fails, sometimes spectacularly.
We’ll see if Olson is indeed the nominee; but even if he isn’t, the fact that he’s one of the favorites sends a message. The White House’s response to Leahy and the Democrats is loud and clear, and one we’ve heard before: Go fuck yourselves. You want us to replace Gonzales, a reliable right-wing lackey? Fine; we’ll give you a right-wing consigliere.
If Olson is nominated, watch for the Beltway media in the following days to briefly wring their hands about this rather naked poke in the eye but eventually come around to the conclusion that Bush’s nomination is “bold” and represents his “resoluteness” or some such nonsense. Then the right-wing Wurlitzer will kick in and start reminding us what a swell fellow Ted Olson really is (I think you can hear Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing winding up their grinders even as we speak).
Compare this, if you will, to the mass tut-tut coming from the Beltway over MoveOn.org’s tough treatment of Gen. Petraeus for his report to Congress. And even more pointedly, it’s worth noting Democrats’ response to the assault — namely, to cower and run from their own best advocates.
These, then, are the Bush Rules in action: Only Democrats have to be civil. “Bipartisanship” means acceding to the conservative agenda. And Republicans can be as vicious as they like, because then we’ll just call it “toughness” or, if it’s really ugly, “just a joke.”
You’d think by now that Democrats would have figured out they’re being played for patsies, that the calls for “civility” are just an obfuscatory demand for capitulation and a cover for the right to indulge in the lowest and meanest kind of discourse. But judging from the past week’s events, it’s clear they haven’t.
So while I’d like to believe that Ted Olson finally will get the major public scrutiny he deserves — particularly for his long history of misleading testimony before Congress, probably not a trait one would want in an Attorney General — I’m also reminded that the last time Leahy and Co. had him in their sights, they wound up being outmaneuvered by Senate Republicans.
But then, they’ll at least be applauded for their civility, won’t they?
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QuakerGirl @ 2
Seems we’ve all been her before.
They never fucking learn, do they.
You know, even a small child is smart enough to recognize bad behavior traits, why in the hell do these people not wise up?
You and I both know damn well Bush is going to give us the finger and nominate one of his cronies to do his bidding.
Lord love a duck, get a clue.
David, Thanks for the post. The American public will be bombarded with his wife died on 9/11 and he’s a true american patriot.
hey, firepups…
Ah but Olson will get to play the grieving widower from 9/11 to full effect, doncha know…
This Olson guy sounds like the *perfect* choice for Dubya! I had some doubts until the part about him being utterly incompetent. I think that seals the deal.
dakine01 @ 7
Yes, I think confirming him to be AG so he can help pursue the evildoers who murdered his wife is the very least the Democrats could do for this poor man.
I mean, what kind of monsters would be mean to someone who suffered through that kind of tragedy?
Great post, David, thanks.
Although it isn’t a done deal, at this point it will be no surprise that Bush thinks this guy is a perfect fit. I can’t wait to hear the adjectives he chooses. I’m sure they’ll compare to those he used for Rummy, Abu and harriet.
“These, then, are the Bush Rules in action: Only Democrats have to be civil. “Bipartisanship” means acceding to the conservative agenda. And Republicans can be as vicious as they like, because then we’ll just call it “toughness” or, if it’s really ugly, “just a joke.”
Unfortunately, it is the Bush/ Republican/Democratic rule. If someone makes up rules to a game you don’t like, refuse to play by those rules. How many times do you capitulate to your challenger before you say STOP? Enough is enough.
The nomination of Ted Olson would be one more slap in the face from Georgie.
Reid says Uh-uh on Teddy…
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053028.php
CTuttle @ 13
ahh! but will the Dems cave?
CTuttle @ 13
Yeah, sure, whatever. I wish I could take Reid seriously anymore.
raven @ 3
Hi Raven -
By accident I got here. Not by deserved merit.
Eli @ 9
Yeah, The Decider has been pursuing his wife’s murderers all right.
Eli @ 15
Dang, ya’ll are a skeptical bunch…!!! ;-)
Once upon a time, there were senators of both parties who guarded the perogatives of the Senate against over-reaching executive branch officers of either party. . . .
I’m still waiting for the ” . . . and they threw the evil king out on his ass” part of the story, followed (of course) by the “and they lived happily ever after” part.
Great post, David!
CTuttle @ 18
I wrote Reid off for good when he assured us that the Military Commissions/Death To Habeas Corpus Act had no chance of passing.
Or, more accurately, I wrote him off when it then proceeded to pass, rather handily.
David -
Seems like I spend a good portion of my time banging the old head on the keyboard and screaming, “Nobody can be that stupid!” which is why I have taken to calling them the “Dims”.
Yeah, I know………..I need to get a life. *sigh* Preferably one that includes a political party that occasionally exhibits some degree of smarts and spine.
Bush replaced Rumsfeld with Gates. Did it make a difference? I guess the question I ask myself is ‘will it make a difference who replaces Gonzales?
dakine01 @ 7
Bush must be losing his touch, I would of thought he would announce his nomination yesterday.
Waccamaw @ 20
At least get yourself a rubber keyboard. A person could get hurt doing that.
Elliott @ 14
emptywheel does the math. (it looks good)
Ted Olson? Another panty-sniffing republican in the hyper-partisan mode of Abu G.
John Ashcroft might have made a mockery of Lady Justice by covering up her breasts (well, I guess it was Ms Monica who done it); prosecuting Tommy Chong and wanting to prosecute parking tickets as Death Penalty Offenses, but he seemed to have read the Constitution at some point in his life.
Ted Olson is just another political hack with an ideological axe to grind. Why not just go for the full political monty and nominate Ken Starr, Preznit NumbNuts … you know you want to.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 17
He’s gonna appoint OJ Simpson to find them ;-)
CTuttle @ 13
Good! I hope he really means it, and that this is not just trash talk.
Bob in HI
Peterr @ 24
Hee…
At least he’s got a nice rug. Drives the ladies crazy.
selise @ 25
thanks for the link.
I hope you’re right, I’ll cross my fingers!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
Gates was actually one of the very few instances where Dubya picked a replacement who was better rather than worse. But I predicted that it wouldn’t make any difference, because he would still have to do whatever stupid shit Dubya told him to, or be replaced with Double Rumsfeld.
But the AG is supposed to be a lot more independent than the SecDef, so a non-Bushie appointee really *would* make a difference. And that is why it will never happen.
bushbehindbars @ 30
Speak for yourself!
I don’t for a minute doubt that they will exploit the death of the Mrs. on 9/11.
Then again, maybe ann coulter will show up to call him a “harpy” and tell us that the wife was about to divorce him. Consistency, you know.
Oh, God, they are just so incredible!
Check this out via Horse’s Mouth via TPM:
BOEHNER: I think General Petraeus outlined it pretty clearly. We’re making success. We need to firm up those successes. We need to continue our effort here because, Wolf, long term, the investment that we’re making today will be a small price if we’re able to stop al Qaeda here, if we’re able to stabilize the Middle East, it’s not only going to be a small price for the near future, but think about the future for our kids and their kids.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..r_boeh.php
zennurse @ 35
It’s just a comma, I don’t know what you’re getting so worked up about.
Harry Reid sez: Ted Olson will not be confirmed.
Too late, Peterr…….there’s this funny looking blueish-purple ridge running across my forehead that seems to be permanent. ;-)
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the republicans idea of bipartisanship means do it their way.
JPL @ 23
Mebbe he didn’t want to stand in Rudi’s shadow.
Reid is a total fraud. Lil’ Harry will offer up some tepid words about how displeased he is, then do what he always does. Fellate bush. Gawd, how is despise him (and pelosi).
“think about the future for our kids and their kids.”
I am. That’s why I came to FDL, to fight these criminals.
You know what ticks me off? You can’t just email DiFi at senator@feinstein.senate.gov the way you can equivalently for Boxer. You gotta go to Di’s site and fill out a form (which ticks me off also because that way I don’t have a record of what I’ve sent her, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)….
bushbehindbars @ 41
It’s a bit like having Arlen Specter as our majority leader.
egregious @ 42
…think about debt we’re saddling them with…!!!
Well, if he gets nominated, I hope they grill him about this, because the whole “boxcutter” information, etc., came from Barbara Olson’s so-called call, and started the Muslim demonization:
http://www.vialls.com/lies911/lies.htm
” In the alleged words of US Solicitor General Theodore Olson:
“She [Barbara] had trouble getting through, because she wasn’t using her cell phone – she was using the phone in the passengers’ seats,” said Mr Olson. “I guess she didn’t have her purse, because she was calling collect, and she was trying to get through to the Department of Justice, which is never very easy.” … “She wanted to know ‘What can I tell the pilot? What can I do? How can I stop this?’ ”
“What Can I tell the pilot?” Yes indeed! The forged Barbara Olson telephone call claims that the flight deck crew were with her at the back of the aircraft, presumably politely ushered down there by the box cutter-wielding Muslim maniacs, who for some bizarre reason decided not to cut their throats on the flight deck. Have you ever heard anything quite so ridiculous?
But it is at this juncture that we finally have the terminal error. Though the American Airlines Boeing 757 is fitted with individual telephones at each seat position, they are not of the variety where you can simply pick up the handset and ask for an operator. On many aircraft you can talk from one seat to another in the aircraft free of charge, but if you wish to access the outside world you must first swipe your credit card through the telephone. By Ted Olson’s own admission, Barbara did not have a credit card with her.
It gets worse. On American Airlines there is a telephone “setup” charge of US$2.50 which can only be paid by credit card, then a US$2.50 (sometimes US$5.00) charge per minute of speech thereafter. The setup charge is the crucial element. Without paying it in advance by swiping your credit card you cannot access the external telephone network. Under these circumstances the passengers’ seat phone on a Boeing 757 is a much use as a plastic toy.
Perhaps Ted Olson made a mistake and Barbara managed to borrow a credit card from a fellow passenger? Not a chance. If Barbara had done so, once swiped through the phone, the credit card would have enabled her to call whoever she wanted to for as long as she liked, negating any requirement to call collect.
Sadly perhaps, the Olson telephone call claim is proved untrue. Any American official wishing to challenge this has only to subpoena the telephone company and Justice Department records. There will be no charge originating from American Airlines 77 to the US Solicitor General.
Even without this hard proof, the chances of meaningfully using a seat-telephone on Flight 77 were nil. We know from the intermittent glimpses of the aircraft the air traffic controllers had on the radar scopes, that Flight 77 was travelling at extreme speed at very low level, pulling high “G’ turns in the process.
Under these circumstances it would be difficult even reaching a phone, much less using it. Finally, the phones on the Boeing 757 rely on either ground cell phone towers or satellite bounce in order to maintain a stable connection. At very low altitude and extreme speed, the violent changes in aircraft attitude would render the normal telephone links completely unusable.“
Eli @ 44
eww, it is!
TeddySanFran @ 37
Yo Teddy … Harry Reid says a lot of shit won’t happen and it some how mysteriously comes to pass anyhow.
I don’t look to him for much leadership on this at all. I despair of the “leadership” of both Reid and Pelosi more with each passing day. To expect Harry Reid to take on a concerted Wurlitzer campaign is, I don’t think, very realistic given his track record to date. IMHO.
In fact, I suspect that if Ted Olson takes Tweety and Timmeh out to Mortons for steak and beaujolais we’ve got an new attorney general.
Rumsfeld slipped and said Flight 93 was shot down, watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..0&NR=1
Ted Olson is a contemptuous choice. Which is it Olson or Olsen? Did he change it or has it just been published with both spellings? Confusing.
I remember Barbara Olson’s comments on Fox News because she was so Ann Coulter – vitriolic. Ted and Barbara remind me of the fascist couple in the opening scene of Bertolucci’s 1900. Frightening people. Hateful.
Three wives. That’s what I call a three time looser. Being married to him is really bad luck – in more ways than one.
peanutbutter @ 43
Do you have an option to print screen?
bushbehindbars @ 41
Pelosi got hammered on Cafferty’s last segment; can’t remember what the question was but most of the responses appeared to be coming from Dems. They. were. not. pleased.
Eli @ 44
DING!
watch this everyone…in the words of spock, the logic is flawless;
ok, what I’m about to say is easy to see and once told it will scare the shit out of everyone;
it is absolutely clear a democrat will win the next election…absolutely clear
so how on earth could the republicans be positioning to give absolute power to the president?
I’ll tell you how…they have no intention of releasing the reigns of power
now look, this is brutally clear…for them to be unifying the power of the presidency for a democrat is rediculous
and no, they don’t “think” a republican can win…bush said it himself
this is frightening boys and girls, frightening
I realize Rove is “gone”. But I cannot help but think Olson would fit Karl like a glove. And I think Mr. Rove is still advising Bush on domestic/political issues and appointments.
peanutbutter @ 43
I copy my emails to DiFi into a Word document before I hit “Submit.” Pelosi as well.
“9/11/01 11:43:57 AM
A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.
White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.
United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.”
http://web.archive.org/web/200…..ory14.html
Elliott @ 12
At least he isn’t trying to put fire crackers up our butts. Yet.
Haleh Esfandiari from the Woodrow Wilson Center for Peace who was held by the Irani’s is on Newshour telling her story
Re the phone call, in addition to all the other facts……its strikes me as extremely odd that someone like Barbara Olson would fly across the country with no purse, credit card, or cell phone.
*I* wouldn’t do that…..and I’m just a lowly oddmommy……not the wife of a big important feller like Theodore Olson.
TeddySanFran @ 37
We need to call and back Harry on his “now” decision. It may give him a lift so he doesn’t capitulate, again, again.
202-224-3542 Talk to an aide and have them take your name, address and phone number and request a letter response.
JPL @ 51
Well basically I have all the failed messages because I forget every time.
Bah!
oddmommy @ 59
Ted Olson was part of the whole plan that has brought us the mess we have today. It is not that I doubt the plane story necessarily, although there has never been any wreckage or bodies recovered, but his “words” started the story….JMHO
perris @ 53
This thought has occurred to me as well. The only other possibilities are:
1) They’re as deluded as Karl about “the math”, which I seriously doubt.
2) They’re confident that they can roll it all back, even without a congressional majority (sadly, they’re probably right).
3) They’re so clueless that they haven’t even thought it through, showing the same knack for planning that got us stuck in Iraq.
Jo Fish @ 48
Oh, I agree with you about Reid. I do find it interesting, though, that he’s made such a clear and definitive statement. Not that I take him at his word. Just more words to use to promote whoever opposes him for majority leader in 1/2009.
hey, you’re gonna love this lead from think progress…go have a read;
-sigh- wouldn’t it be wunnerful if’n we could have a netroots guy/gal as Majority Leader? Jim Webb, anyone?
perris @ 65
Oh, that was brilliant. I’m amazed the guy’s still employed.
perris @ 65
Linky?
TeddySanFran @ 37
Harry Reid: Olson shall not be confirmed! We shall… ow! ow! my testicles! stop squeezing! ok! ok! He’s confirmed! Confirmed! Just let go! Puh-leeze! Owwie! Owwie!
Eli @ 63
If they are not going to let go of the presidency why are they screwing with the electorial votes in cali?
Comparative coups:
1963: Gerald Ford keeps J. Edgar Hoover informed of progress of Warren Commission from inside; becomes president 11years later when Nixon resigns and pardons Nixon almost a month later.
Allen Dulles was previously fired as head of the CIA by Kennedy for his role in the Bay of Pigs. Dulles was head of CIA when George H W Bush was recruited in 1953 by Thomas Devine during a time when mind control experiments were occurring and plans were being made to overthrow Mossadegh in Iran and Arbenz in Guatemala.
Arlen Specter comes up with a scientifically impossible theory about a bullet that changes direction by 180 degrees in order to support the theory that Oswald was the lone gunman. He later becomes a senator from Pennsylvania.
2000: Ted Olsen argues for George W Bush in front of the Supreme Court that if the recount in Florida is permitted to continue his client will not be elected president which will not be in Bush’s benefit. He becomes first Solicitor General in Bush administration and later is considered to replace as Attorney General the disgraced Alberto “Fredo” Gonzales.
John Bolton takes part in a riot in Miami-Dade to stop the manual recount. The other members of the group of which he was a part are later identified as congressional staffers. After serving in the State Department, Bolton is recess appointed as Ambassador to the UN after the Senate refuses to confirm him.
John Roberts serves in Reagan administration in the White House counsel’s office. During the 2000 election in Florida he serves as a consultant to the Bush team headed by James Baker III. Roberts later becomes Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
I’m just sayin’.
QuakerGirl @ 60
Will email!
raven @ 68
linkerage
I recall watching Mrs. Olson commenting on a fairly regular basis on the old Geraldo tv show during former President Clinton’s problem with the blue dress caper. Mrs. Olson was quite caustic, shrill and vehement that Clinton should be impeached. It got to the point I was muting Ms. Olson.
At a minimum, Leahy’s list should be used by the Dems as a scorecard for why they refuse to allow a floor vote on an AG nominee such as Olson, who is clearly unqualified to become the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. He would simply be a competent Alberto Gonzales; not only would all those White House e-mails have been “lost”, and the DOJ relegated to the GOP’s inhouse law firm, the public would never know it.
perris @ 73
wow
marymccurnin @ 70
they are mounting assaults on all fronts
they will try to ahve their voting machines used, they will try to overcome the electorial college
and if none of those look like they will work their will be a “catastophy” and they will suspend government
perris @ 73
Woo, woo…Brisingamen’s spell…beware oathtakers!!!
Well… they’re certainly not going to appoint an Elliot Richardson type. Principle is not an appropriate requirement for any job under Bush.
Yes, he’s a lying sack of crap. Yes, he’s a venal, drooling partisan hack. Yes, he’s a sympathy straw-man to play September Eleventh upon once again. And much more I fear.
That makes him absolutely the perfect choice to be Chimpy’s AG. To think that ChimpCo could tolerate a non-player in that seat is to believe that they are giving up on the 8 year journey to loot the treasury at the behest of their friends, to subvert justice so thoroughly that they need not even worry about which party has legislative majorities, and to inflame the planet to the bursting point to ensure global chaos and loot all the other treasuries. There can be no justice as long as these items remain in their mission statement.
And they haven’t given up, not by a long shot. They’ll try to shoehorn Olson past the limp-wristed ReidCo (who seems to live like a man with his nuts in a vise 24-7), or they’ll rely on the next in line, an equally mendacious turd who will carry the water.
Senate-confirmable and joined at the idealogical hip.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 74
Of all the many teevee talking heads commenting on The Clenis™ the two I remember most were Coultergeist and Barbie Olson. Vapid and Viscious; used those monikers interchangeably for them both.
peanutbutter @ 43
A lot of our congress critters are doing this. Both of my senators do it, and my rep is trying to, but I still sometimes use his email address and copy to his chief of staff (handy to know those cos’s). It probably helps thin down the barrage of e-mail they get, including spam, but of course it is bothersome for us. Those internet forms make you fill in your address info each time (no help from cookies), too. They are also usually programmed to reject mail from anyone who is not in their electoral district.
ISTM, any congress critter who is chair of any committee or subcommittee needs to have an email address that will allow email from people all over the country.
Bob in HI
Jo Fish @ 66
As soon as you ask him how he can be against this war and continue to agree with Bush that we should have stayed in Vietnam.
JPL @ 51
You always can write it in Word, copy-and-paste it into the email form, and keep your wisdom on your own computer that way.
Elliott @ 77
Heh, confirms my impression of Betray-us! Having worked for numerous field grade officers, I can smell’em a mile away…!!! ;-)
Another recent dictator had a theory of the unitary executive. His name was Joseph Stalin. All the organs of power centered around him, his decrees sent millions to their deaths, the bureaucracy existed to carry out his orders (or else Beria took care of them), he cared not a whit for human life whether it was the millions of Soviet soldiers who were thrown at the Germans or the millions of people who were sent to the Gulag.
Not to sound too melodramatic, but it’s the system. The same system that Roosevelt reformed during WWII so that capitalism would survive and socialism would never get a foothold here in the US.
Legislation was passed in 1935 to allow workers to organize (Wagner Act) and in 1947 after the war Americans got the Taft-Hartley Act in the wake of millions of workers striking, an act which basically took the strike away as an effective tool.
Workers in 1935 were in better position than workers today.
We need a general strike in this country, a day when no one goes to work, when nothing is bought either in stores or on line, a day when everything is completely shut down.
perris @ 73
EXCELLENT!!!!!!
I’m sad that anyone lost a spouse of loved one in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. But Mrs. Olson was just as partisan and ruthless as her husband. Their personal family tragedy is no reason to allow Theodore Olson to become the chief legal enabler for Dick Cheney. We need to clean up the DOJ, not embed its political excesses in steel and concrete.
Whomever becomes AG, the Dems need to put very high on their post-08 election To Do List a refurbishment of the presidential records act, including rescinding Bush’s EO, which unilaterally gutted its key provisions. In five years, I’d like to know more about what Lil’ George and Big Dick did to us, rather than wait until the beaches open in the Arctic; I’d like to know now what Poppa Bush did regarding Iran-Contra, and a whole lot more.
We need to say no to every nominee Bushco has on his list. looseheadprop is right when she says James B, Comey or Pat FITZ! are among the best for the job atm.
No AG is better than a Bush appointed AG.
I emailed Pelosi, Reid and both of my Senators and told them to push for Comey.
Yo Dave…
Worse than Olson (and that’s hard to imagine) Preznit Pretzel could nominate HoJo the Lieberliar for the job; it would “reward” bad behavior, and open up a Senate seat for a republican appointment; which would be a double-whammy. Harry Reid would ensure the quick and painless confirmation of an ol’colleague from the good ol’boyz club faster than you could say “waterboard”.
I put none of that past Darth Cheney, Ed Gillespie and the rest of that soul-stealing gang of master, but slightly inept, criminals on Pennsylvania Avenue.
bobschacht @ 82
One way they stop communication is to only accept addresses from their constituents. I get around this by using the local address of the legislator’s office. Works every time.
perris @ 73
Someone give Christy’s fingers a good massage, because if Fallon comes in to testify as Webb would like, we’re going to need a good liveblogger who is rested and ready to go.
OT…Re-Post?
CentCom Chief Fallon: Petraeus Is ‘An Ass-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t,’ ‘I Hate People Like That’
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/webb-fallon/
Sorry for the OT.
Any news on the reverend who had his leg broken by six policemen?
They are circling the wagons to run out the clock, so that by the time everyone wakes up and realizes what they have been doing all these years, they’ll be long gone to Paraguay before they get caught and held up on war crimes – just like their mentors.
I feel much better now that we have Larry’s opinion:
In his first public comments unrelated to his arrest in an airport sex sting, Sen. Larry Craig said the United States is making progress in Iraq because of a troop escalation overseen by Gen. David Petraeus.
Last night tweety went postal when the dude said the headlines would be that Bush was accepting Patreus’s plan, tonite they are leading with that story.
U.S. diplomats and military officers have been in talks with members of the armed movement loyal to Muqtada Sadr, a sharp reversal of policy and a grudging recognition that the radical Shiite cleric holds a dominant position in much of Baghdad and other parts of Iraq.
newtonusr @ 80
tee hee. Now where oh where are my hip-waders?
bobschacht @ 82
Absolutely agree with Bob’s comment regarding Congress Critters’ e-mail. National party and Congressional leaders and heads of committees are being paid by the taxpayers to fulfull national leadership positions. They’re happy to raise funds nationally and to use the Internet for their own purposes. They should receive e-mail from across the country, too, and not be able to hide behind anachronistic notions of “I don’t have to read your mail because you’re not from my district”.
Finally on CNN Soldiers who signed anti-war op-ed piece die in Iraq
Bush might end up dumping Fallon because of his reluctance to attack Iran, as well as his dislike of General Betraeus.
Something big is up for tomorrow night, because they are making a huge deal about it – including Blitzer having a 2-hour special….
LS @ 101
You ever hear of the four corners in basketball? That’s what’s happening tomorrow night.
How dare an Admiral attack a General!
-GSD
P.S. What if Bush just nominated Ted Olson’s hair?
dakine01 @ 7
There’s a quote from Ann Coulter that comes in handy.
LS @ 101
you’re right, something’s up about this speech.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 95
excellent. Keep talkin Larry. Fire out every repub talking point arrow in yer quiver. And keep tapping that foot.
Looking at Obama’s speech today in Iowa, even he thinks we’re going into Iran.
marymccurnin @ 91
That is brilliant. Off I go.
earlofhuntingdon @ 88
All the Democratic controlled Congress has to do is not confirm Olsen, it just takes a little backbone on the Dems part, oh wait a minute, nevermind.
GSD @ 103
Go Navy! err… did I just say that??? ;-)
CTuttle @ 110
Jesus, when Fallon was appointed everyone here went ape shit because it meant we were going to launch the war on Iran from carriers.
Peterr @ 91
Is emptywheel available to help?
Bob in HI
raven @ 111
At the time there was three carrier groups and one more sailing to the region…!!!
raven @ 111
Fallon actually nixed a third carrier group because it would have been too provocative.
He also apparently threatened to resign if we attacked Iran.
Just the normal hype fer the Bush speech I would guess- they always make it sound as if he’s gonna say something revolutionary and he always says the same ol shit..
Seems like the White House has used Teddy Olsen as a decoy before — supreme court?
I hope they nominate him- would give the dems a good opportunity to dump someone. Maybe they need the practice—but I wouldn’t count on him bein he nominee-the White House likes to throw a few wild ideas out ahead of the real name.
bobschacht @ 112
You don’t really think he would contradict the commander in chief do you?
Eli @ 114
I want to see Fallon testify,
and Juan Cole, too
Eli @ 114
OT..a little good news
RICHMOND, Sept. 12 — Former Virginia governor Mark R. Warner will announce in an e-mail to supporters Thursday morning that he plans to run next year for the Senate seat being vacated by Republican John W. Warner.
WaPo
perris @ 65
This deserves to be the new Conventional Wisdom
Steve
Yeah good news. Last time I saw that nugget it said “whether he will run for senate”.
I think this guy Patraeus has beaten the Democrats.
Tony Snowjob did the press conference again today– I thought he was retired- or dead – or under the weather- or somethin.
rwcole @ 124
It was a snow clone.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 122
Was there ever a fight?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 123
Feh. Like that’s hard to do.
It’s like we belong to the Marshmallow Party.
Eli @ 114
Finally some institutional push back, maybe there is hope from the Mid-Careerists in the Pentagon! I’m sure Fallon is none too thrilled with the Air Force for their current gaffe!!! Hmmm… Inter-Service Rivalry is a morale booster… …Go Army!!! *g*
raven @ 102
Bases loaded?
raven @ 117
Peterr has pretty good chops on the DC scene, and if he says we need our team to be there, I’ll second the motion!
Bob in HI
I don’t think that Petraeus convinced anybody..The issue was how many goopers would defect- and the answer was “not very many” even before the general opened his yap…
The White House PR offensive has brought a few more gooper voters back on the war- that’s about it- enough to make gooper congresscritters nervous about voting against the war with enough time on the clock for a primary challenge..
Once that deadline’s over- we may see some run for cover.
I don’t think that the dems ever had a real chance of getting enough votes to end this thing- but the chips are down for the 08 election and a lot of goopers are bein forced to play a losing hand.
cleter @ 126
and the Reps burn us, yet we’re always asking for s’mores
Perhaps Bush will announce:
“Today our strategery has succeedified, and I am withdrawin’ the troopification from the Eye-Rack. All of us-all’s soldier-folk’ll be home by the Christmas! Thanks You and God Bless Murka!”
We can hope. Can’t we?
I don’t know how Pentagon politics work- but lots of em have certainly gotten the message that in a year and a half there’s likely to be a dem in the White House.
As the duck grows lamer- the Pentagon is likely to grow bolder in publicly challenging the decider.
Reid: “Ted Olson Will Not Be Confirmed By The Senate.”
Well, that does it. He’ll be confirmed in a week.
More “Spell” magic!!!!
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..the-d.html
No one listens to the prez any more except goopers- and they still believe him.
cahuenga @ 135
Now, let’s not forget, he has to get through the committee first. Reid may not have the balls to say no, but I’m a little more confident about Leahy.
LS @ 136
“Dear Director McConnell:
At yesterday’s hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, Senator Leiberman asked you whether the so-called Protect America Act, which President Bush signed into law on August 5, 2007, facilitated the detection of the German terrorist plot.
You responded, “Yes sir, it did.”
This statement is at odds with information I have received. Specifically, I am told by senior American officials that U.S. assistance to German intelligence was based on collection under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), several months before its modification by Congress in August. Accordingly, the new law did not lead to the arrests of the three terrorist plotters, as you claimed.”
rwcole @ 130
Nobody’s mind was changed, for sure! If anything it only hardened the two fronts… I was pleasantly surprised with Coleman’s, Warner’s, and Hagel’s lines of inquiry…!!! ;-)
Eli @ 115
Might not mean anything but … USS Kitty Hawk and USS Nimitz in Indian Ocean, and Enterprise in Persian Gulf
It is so funny how the GOP propped up Bush, come hell or high water, at every turn.
Now he’s returning the favor with a high hard one up the old kazoo.
No good deed goes unpunished.
He’s your lab rat GOP. Good luck.
-GSD
LS @ 129
No, no, that’s BASEball. (Maybe you were just being snarky?) Four Corners was invented by Dean Smith of NC, IIRC, as a way to spread the floor and stall. The point guard would just pass the ball to any other member of the team, which usually meant one of the two guys stationed near mid-court, and they’d just hold the ball until someone came out to guard them. Then they’d pass to the next least-guarded person. That was in the days before the 24?-second clock, and became the reason why the shot clock was instituted.
Bob in HI
LS @ 138
from Reyes letter
I therefore urge you to issue a public statement immediately to confirm that the surveillance used to assist in the disruption of German plot was collected pursuant to FISA before the passage of the Protect America Act.
john in sacramento @ 141
Ships Underway
Carriers:
USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) – Indian Ocean
USS Enterprise (CVN 65) – Persian Gulf
USS Nimitz (CVN 68) – Indian Ocean
Amphibious Warfare Ships:
USS Tarawa (LHA 1 ) – Pacific Ocean
USS Peleliu (LHA 5) – Pacific Ocean
USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) – Persian Gulf
USS Bohomme Richard (LHD 6) – Persian Gulf
USS Denver (LPD 9) – Persian Gulf
USS Rushmore (LSD 47) – Persian Gulf
bobschacht @ 142
Dang, Bob, since when did you follow sports…?!!! *g*
cahuenga @ 135
Is this an example of “mordant” humor?
Bob in HI
bobschacht @ 143
:O Woopsy.
EvilDrPuma @ 137
This is the committee DiFi is on, right?
We’re screwed.
Four corners was great fun– get a four point lead- put in your best free throw shooters- and run out the clock—-exciting basketball!!
Bout like big 10 football in the glory years.
Eli @ 149
Okay, fine, we’re screwed. Let’s all just fucking go home and hide under our beds.
Freddie kickin Roodee’s ass already.
Another gooper frontrunner bites the dust.
EvilDrPuma @ 151
I guess it will come down to how many cocktails and weanies they’ve shared.
bobschacht @ 142
Knew there was a reason I wasn’t on the FDL sports group o.O
Clusterfuck will just nominate one asshole after the other to be AG. This could go on for months- or until someone gets tired a playin..
Like playin baseball without a bat.
I voted for Feinstein several times, clear back to when she first ran for mayor of The City. For several years though, she has been a grave disppontment for me.
CTuttle @ 146
Umm, since the 1950s. My boyhood hero was Stan Musial, my team was the St. Louis Cardinals, my heros were the “Gas House Gang.” I think I became a fan of basketball and learned about the “Four corners” offense when I taught at the University of Maryland back in the 70s, back in the days of Lefty Driesell, before Len Bias got stupid and killed himself with an overdose of coke. The Boston Celtics have never recovered.
Nowadays I prefer to watch women’s basketball. When I have time. Championship game today, but alas, I’ll be at work. Go Phoenix!
Bob in HI
EvilDrPuma @ 150
Yeah, …that’s the spirit!!! ;-)
These guys are willing to do anything and Ted Olson epitomizes the brand.
I must admit as a Brasschecktv enthsiast I am well acquainted with the 9ll conspiracy theories. One thing that never clicked with me was how Barbara Olson could have been on a flight destined to be destroyed, since she was the wife of Ted. I didn’t know anything about her,really, but after reading these comments….I’m thinking she sounds odious, could Ted have capitalized?…..tinfoil hat jammed on tight… LS @ 46
CTuttle @ 157
I’ve emailed DiFi…suggest plenty of calls and emails and such…
LS @ 145
That’s a lot of ships. WTF is up with all the amphibious ships? Are they planning to go all D-Day on Iran, too? I thought it was just going to be Shock-N-Awe?
Bush and Cheney are running out to time. Fast.
Look for more rats to ditch this sinking ship.
bobschacht @ 156
Len Bias, the heir-apparent to Bird, truly impacted the Celtics fortunes, it is a sad tragedy…!!! 8-(
cleter @ 161
With what troops? Eagle Scouts this time?
Bob in HI
Of course Olsen if nominated will be confirmed. All they have to do is play up the fact that his wife died on 9/11. Game, set, match. The Dems cave again. Would be nice to have a real opposition party rather than one extreme right wing party and one right of center party. Thanks to the media and an electorate that is by and large is politically illiterate.
Does the US Navy always advertise the location of each of it’s war ships?
Don’t forget Barbra. The Barbra card will come out the day of the announcement.
Don’t forget David Hale. Olsen’s ’star’ client.
bobschacht @ 163
Could they “pick” up troops?
bobschacht @ 163
Republican presidential candidates. They’re our most gung-ho demographic, there’s a buttload of them, and they’re sure as hell expendable enough.
rwcole @ 165
And advertise that they are going to stand down all the bombers and jets on 9/14…??? WTF
EvilDrPuma @ 167
We’ll need a draft…
If you haven’t seen Chris Dodd’s recent video, it’s worth viewing.
The Dodd Amendment, let it pass.
Petraeus and Crocker were just on the NrewsHour and subjected to Jim Lehrer’s withering barrage of soft ball questions. Lehrer came this close to actually making a point when he asked them 3 different ways if they understood that this war does not enjoy the support of the American people. He should have asked simply, Do you understand that a majority of the American people do not support this war, that a majority think it was a mistake? Instead he walked all over his question and let Petraeus just keep referring to the White House and Crocker say that he knew people were tired of it. One of the times the question was asked, Crocker said he realized the clock was running. What Lehrer should have asked was: Did he realize that time had already run out as far as the American people were concerned. But nooooo, that would be too much like journalism.
re Olson:
An excerpt from an op-ed written by Mr. Olson for the National Review on the subject of Supreme Court nominees seems to me to be quite instructive:
Indeed, if a change in one justice can alter the result in judicial rulings involving virtually everything we do, and if the person casting that vote may hold office for a generation or more, the selection of a Supreme Court Justice may arguably be as important as electing a president.
That is one very important reason why this conservative Republican is supporting Rudy Giuliani for president. I know the qualities he will look for in the persons he will appoint to the Supreme Court and the lower federal courts: Individuals of talent, quality, experience, integrity, intellect and conscious of constitutional limits on judicial authority; men and women who will respect and defer to the wisdom of the framers of the Constitution and the rights of the citizens to make policy through their elected representatives. Jurists in the mold of Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito and Chief Justices Rehnquist and Roberts.
(bold added).
Bob, …Cub Scouts… …they recruit straight out of Elementary School…!!! That’s the future for our youth…!!! 8-(
Hugh @ 172
it was pathetic
LS @ 168
The amphibious assault ships have Marines on them already. They aren’t empty. The Bonhomme Richard and Kearsarge have something like 1800 Marines apiece.
US will host strategy meeting on new UN sanctions against Iran
Netanyahu: Squeeze Iran with sanctions
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..5961369337
LS @ 167
LS @ 168
Isn’t the latter due to the nuclear warheads fiasco which seems to be gaining legs of its own?
Eli @ 170
Blackwater will always be available.
More “magic”…on Tweety…Crocker might have misremembered something…I didn’t quite catch it…but it was about something he had previously said to the interviewer (Matt??), but when questioned..didn’t recall it..about Iran.
cleter @ 175
Lock’d, Cock’d, and, ready to Rock…!!!
bluetoe @ 179
Also on the list of reform: mercenary troops = ILLEGAL.
Eli @ 149
Come on now, people. Dianne Banker Butt-Licker Margaret Thatcher Feinstein.
bluetoe @ 180
They gotta get people somewhere, too. “Hey, teens! For your first job…”
cleter @ 176
Oh, I thought they were referring to the smaller ones…like in Normandy.
Get a loud of this!
Nighthawks abuzz
more saber rattling? I mean why was the media there?
peanutbutter @ 179
Supposedly, but maybe it is actually the other way around. Maybe they made up the nuke story to justify the stand down.
EvilDrPuma @ 184
McMercs? MercDonald’s?
Also from my scandals list, I wanted to point out that Olson’s 1984 opinion when he headed the OLC at Justice is the basis for the White House’s current contention that it does not have to honor Congressional requests to prosecute contempt citations. I won’t put up the listing here but it is 227 in my list.
Olson also serves on the The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (a board recommended by the 911 Commission) item 175. This is the one that even the wishy-washy Lanny Davis resigned from after the WH made 200 emendations to its final report.
peanutbutter @ 183
Blackwater is nothing more than an affirmation of the sanctity of America’s style of cannibalistic capitalism.
jayt @ 172
O’Connor can only drool about the sway Kennedy has now…!!!
Dodd on Olbermann tonight.
Hugh @ 189
KagroX nailed that nicely as well.
Hugh @ 189
…by the way, how many atrocities have been committed to date? 8-)
JPL @ 5
How do we really know if she was on that missle…er plane.
If the Democrats do not like the AG nominee send them back to square one. Fuck them back..simple as that!
Really something that all over the MSM they are spinning the Petraeus performance saying the “sales pitch is working”. With who? Really with who? I have heard more Republicans than ever before calling into Washington Journal calling for the IMPEACHMENT of Bush and Cheney. Democrats, Republicans and Independents are tired of this Bush shit!.
On Matthews tonight when the Move ON add came up again Matthews said “the add did not kill anybody”
Wonder if Matthews lurks here at FDL he kept referring to the Petraeus report as the “dog and pony show”
Here was another great line by Matthews tonight “stagecraft (the Petraeus show) is not going to make this war any easier of less bloody”.
There was not a mention about the deaths of the two soldiers who were part of writing the New York Times op-ed.
KO. Bush is walking off a helicopter waving like he’s a homecoming queen.
“But then what? We don’t have the troops to invade. And we don’t have anyone minding the helm who knows the slightest thing about Persian culture or the Middle East. There is no one in power in Washington with the empathy to get it. We will lurch blindly into a catastrophe of our own creation.
It is not hard to imagine what will happen. Iranian Shabab-3 and Shabab-4 missiles, which cannot reach the United States, will be launched at Israel, as well as American military bases and the Green Zone in Baghdad. Expect massive American casualties, especially in Iraq, where Iranian agents and their Iraqi allies will be able to call in precise coordinates. The Strait of Hormuz, which is the corridor for 20 percent of the world’s oil supply, will be shut down. Chinese-supplied C-801 and C-802 anti-shipping missiles, mines and coastal artillery will target U.S. shipping, along with Saudi oil production and oil export centers. Oil prices will skyrocket to well over $4 a gallon. The dollar will tumble against the euro. Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon, interpreting the war as an attack on all Shiites, will fire rockets into northern Israel. Israel, already struck by missiles from Tehran, will begin retaliatory raids on Lebanon and Iran. Pakistan, with a huge Shiite minority, will reach greater levels of instability. The unrest could result in the overthrow of the weakened American ally President Pervez Musharraf and usher into power Islamic radicals. Pakistan could become the first radical Islamic state to possess a nuclear weapon. The neat little war with Iran, which few Democrats oppose, has the potential to ignite a regional inferno.
We have rendered the nation deaf and dumb. We no longer have the capacity for empathy. We prefer to amuse ourselves with trivia and gossip that pass for news rather than understand. We are blinded by our military prowess. We believe that huge explosions and death are an effective form of communication. And the rest of the world is learning to speak our language.”
Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer prize-winning reporter, was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. He spent seven years in the Middle East and reported frequently from Iran. His latest book is “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.” Hedges’ column appears every other Monday on Truthdig.
http://www.truthdig.com/report….._quagmire/
Major focus by Matthews on how Bush is hiding behind Petraeus because Bush’s credibility is basically non-existent, we know Cheney’s is.
Where is Cheney lurking from these days? Still would like to see their lilly white asses dropped down butt ass naked in the middle of Baghdad.
Maybe they could run for cover in the hole that they found Saddam in.
cleter @ 177
How many marines can they carry?
easy rider @ 196
No wreckage, no bodies. It supposedly vaporized.
Elliott @ 188
practice for the real thing in early Oct
perris @ 65
add that to this from muckraker cuz subordinates seem to be calling patreaus a liar as well;
with linkerage before someone asks
I’m up to 247. The B-52 nuclear weapons fiasco is the most recent.
zennurse @ 200
Tell it Sister!
Hugh @ 206
Any guess just how long your list will get?
LS @ 203
WTF? Stranger and Stranger (esp if it was flying low). BEEEEZaire
one more time
Shrub doesn’t give a flying monkey what anybody thinks I don’t now why anyone would think he would start acting like he does
New post upstairs
NBC has it’s panties in a was cause Clusterfuck has increased the percentage of people who approve of his handling of the war–it’s up three percent- well within the margin of error- so statistically- it isn’t up at all.
Their numers show the entire increase coming from goopers- they don’t show the literacy level of those who have swung back to the prez.
Talk about a non-story story…
Piece of shit!
just wait till they bring up the tragedy of his wifes death!And you can bet your ass that they will!
Dodd on KO:
Date certain to start getting troops out and bring them home. Home by April.
He’ll propose it, knowing there will be a veto, and perhaps not enough vote to get to the prez.
It can’t get much more chaotic than it is, and $10 billion per month is too much.
Tomorrow night Bush will buy time to pass this off to the next President.
Are we safer? We’re less safe, secure and have created a petri dish for Islamic jihadists.
zennurse @ 200
ok, I’ve been saying this since they first started making believe Iran was an issue;
there are no resources to engage Iran except newQUElar
and EVERYONE knows these idiots are ITCHING to drop a nuke
they first exhausted all conventional options so that the only thing left was nuclear
they do NOT want to occupy Iran, they do NOT want Iranians, they want a barron land
I believe there are now nukes that leave the infrasturcture intact?
and chemical as well, they LOVE chemical warfare, we have seen pictures of Iranians turning to dust
so forget “what next”
there is no “next” if their plan goes according to script
Richmond @ 208
well, there *was* wreckage. It was carried out in a box, on the shoulders of about eight guys.
747 my ass.
New Jane thread!
Elliott @ 208
How deep is the corruption, incompetence, and criminality of the Bush Administration? I feel like I have only scratched the surface.
Elliott @ 208
Heh, before the floodgates open, or after…???
oops, wrong thread
Just a note on the retaliatory capability of the Iranian military from Al The Spook.
1) The plans being made public are for a total warfare assault on ALL aspects of the Iranian nation. Not just military, but infrastructure (electrical, water, sewage, transportation, communication, and health services) and government (buildings, banks, airports, and police centers) will be hit with everything available over a three day period. As of this point, no nuclear warheads are being envisioned in use except in “bunker buster” mode against the buried nuclear weapons development installations (Natanz et al).
2) The marines if they are used at all will be to destroy the antiship missile installations along the iranian coastline and to destroy all iranian port facilities so they cannot sortie against the carrier groups and traffice in the straits.
3) If a nuclear option is pursued, it will be theater level and utterly destroy Iran as a nation. EMP will fry all computers and other chip-based electronics, killing many from burns and fires started (things don’t just “stop working” as shown on the laughable Jericho TV show, the BURN and even EXPLODE!). Shock and debris will completely wreck the iranian military and civilian infrastructure. Fallout will cause tens of thousands of deaths in a few days and millions over a few years. All cropland will become unusable, and even the oil will be unavailable because of destroyed infrastructure and fears of contamination.
All of this will be on a Ratiocinations post as soon as my father gets settled down from his tooth problems (hopefully by friday.) It’s really scary stuff.
cleter @ 177
What’s your source on this? I realize that they may be *designed* to have 1800 marines apiece, but the idea that they have 3600 Marines floating around on ships during a surge who are just sitting around waiting for an action order doesn’t seem to suit the “all hands on deck” attitude of Petraus’ land operations.
And where the heck would they land? The only beach-front area that would make any sense is probably Bandar Abbas, which has Oil, an airport, and a naval base. I’m not sure that would accomplish much. Or maybe Ahwaz.
Bob in HI
“Gonzales on steroids”? Nooooooooooooooooooooo! *slapping forehead with a loaf of French bread*
Evolution before your eyes
Didjaever see the modern re-make of “The Time Machine”? In it is depicted the behavior of two newly-evolved species of humans: the ones that have nightmares and the others who feed on them. Their relationship reminds me of that between the felonious Rethugs and the handwringing Democraps.
What would we do without the insights of Prof Juan Cole
james @ 71
Ancient, tired bullshit. The repetition of this crap does nothing for the credibility of the left.
It’s nothing more than American exceptionalism flipped over, superficially different, but driven by the same deluded arrogance and belief that the US is always special. You just can’t get past the fact that Mr. Magical Camelot was offed by a loser with a mail-order rifle, can you? Oh, you say, he was murdered by dark and mysterious forces because he might have gotten in the way of their nefarious plans. I don’t think. As if he couldn’t have been kept on a very short leash by anyone who knew about his extensive f*cking around and other indiscretions. American exceptionalism again — our mighty, pure leader taken from us by a dark plot. Sorry, no. He was just as bad as most of the rest of them, and if he’d lived things would have been little different.
The study did a survey to find who in America has the least respect for the Constitution and the concept of unalienable rights of the people – Olson won, so Bush will nominate him for attorney general.
How can we expect lawless people to have respect for the law?
The Bush Administration is a pack of dangerous thugs and should be impeached before they start a wider war in the Middle East.
dakine01 @ 7
If it came up, and it might, the questions about cell phone use on an airplane could be interesting.
perris @ 65
You Have Got To Be Kidding
Woo hoo
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Has he said anything yet (during this campaign) which differs from things Joe Lieberman has said?
He has repeatedly said Iran is a threat. That’s not new.
The whole thing about Olson is he is win/win for the administration.
If he is confirmed, they have another ally at DOJ. If he isn’t confirmed, the President can deride the “do-nothing obstructionist congress” and give a recess appointment to Harriet Miers or John Yoo.
Win/win.
The whole thing reminds me of when I used to watch wrestling as a kid. There were bad guys and good guys, and the bad guys always fought (and usually annihilated) the good guys. They kicked, punched, gouged, choked – whatever it took. And if the good guys ever took a step outside the Marquis of Queensbury rules (or whatever book governs wrestling), they were soundly taken to task.
The same scenario seems to play out in politics. The Repubs are the “play to win”, “whatever it takes” folks of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove fame, and the Dems are supposed to play the role of the good guy sheriff with no bullets in his gun.
Stuck inside a morality play, with the Memphis blues again.