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		<title>By: anwaya</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-963679</link>
		<dc:creator>anwaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isn’t it just obvious in hindsight - of course, Fallon is right. How does anyone ever get anywhere with the Bush Administration? By being the more craven, obsequious, weaselly, brown-nosing toady than the next guy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn’t it just obvious in hindsight &#8211; of course, Fallon is right. How does anyone ever get anywhere with the Bush Administration? By being the more craven, obsequious, weaselly, brown-nosing toady than the next guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Jones</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-963545</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, the article says “according to sources familiar with the meeting.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just who are these sources? I love how unnamed sources claim certain things were said and the media runs with it as if it’s fact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t this be fact checked as rigorously as the General’s statistics?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the article says “according to sources familiar with the meeting.”</p>
<p>Just who are these sources? I love how unnamed sources claim certain things were said and the media runs with it as if it’s fact.</p>
<p>Shouldn’t this be fact checked as rigorously as the General’s statistics?</p>
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		<title>By: redx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-963304</link>
		<dc:creator>redx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hardball was decent the night before, and then crap on this night. Well 1 out of 365 x 6 ain’t so bad….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I turned it off right after this crap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardball was decent the night before, and then crap on this night. Well 1 out of 365 x 6 ain’t so bad….</p>
<p>I turned it off right after this crap.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-963184</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962568&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Richmond @ 211&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962543&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 186&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;New &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/13/iraq_war/index_np.html&quot;&gt;Salon&lt;/a&gt; piece:&lt;br /&gt;
How Bush is trying to save face in Iraq&lt;br /&gt;
snip&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Artillery barrages of TV commercials seeking to soften public opinion preceded Petraeus’ report. A new front group, Freedom’s Watch, founded at the instigation of the White House, funded by Bush’s political financiers (including prominent members of the Scooter Libby Defense Fund) and directed by Dan Senor (former press secretary for the catastrophic Coalition Provisional Authority), launched a series of ads that were a pastiche of past Republican themes. Children in small-town America were depicted raising a flag, a scene plagiarized from Ronald Reagan’s 1984 “Morning Again in America” commercial. Then fragments of Bush’s 2004 campaign washed up like messages in bottles. Soldiers who had lost limbs in Iraq segued into pictures of the burning World Trade Center as words appeared on the screen: “They attacked us.” A soldier said, “We’re winning on the ground in Iraq. It’s no time to quit.” A bereaved woman whose uncle died as a fireman in the twin towers and whose husband was killed in Iraq spoke as words flashed on the screen: “More attacks.” “Surrender is not an option.” In another ad, a Marine in a wheelchair said, “To hear Congress talk about surrendering really makes me angry.” After these poisons were injected into the atmosphere, Petraeus emerged from behind the curtain as the sober voice of reason.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are missing the Is*ael connection in this disgusting ad. I bet a key part of it is AIP*C linked. I read here back when that 5 of the 6 main funders are linked to AIP*C.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well besides frontman Ari Fleisher, the big money is that of Sheldon Adelson, owner of the ex-Jewish mob run Sands Cas*no, and reputedly the “world’s richest Jew”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=16973&quot;&gt;http://www.jewishjournal.com/h.....p?id=16973&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He and his Israeli wife are close friends and financial supporters of L*kud’s Bibi Netanyahu, and have bought a free daily newspaper that is even sent by mail to Israelis. The content is definitely pro-L*KUD..and certainly is not based on a sound “economic model”. It’s propoganda designed to resurrect Bibi’s political career. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Adelson was over in Israel this Summer during the L*KUD party elections and even “hosted” a bunch of US Senators and Congressmen on the trip.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-962568"><em>Richmond @ 211</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-962543"><em>ccmask @ 186</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>New <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/13/iraq_war/index_np.html">Salon</a> piece:<br />
How Bush is trying to save face in Iraq<br />
snip</p>
<p>Artillery barrages of TV commercials seeking to soften public opinion preceded Petraeus’ report. A new front group, Freedom’s Watch, founded at the instigation of the White House, funded by Bush’s political financiers (including prominent members of the Scooter Libby Defense Fund) and directed by Dan Senor (former press secretary for the catastrophic Coalition Provisional Authority), launched a series of ads that were a pastiche of past Republican themes. Children in small-town America were depicted raising a flag, a scene plagiarized from Ronald Reagan’s 1984 “Morning Again in America” commercial. Then fragments of Bush’s 2004 campaign washed up like messages in bottles. Soldiers who had lost limbs in Iraq segued into pictures of the burning World Trade Center as words appeared on the screen: “They attacked us.” A soldier said, “We’re winning on the ground in Iraq. It’s no time to quit.” A bereaved woman whose uncle died as a fireman in the twin towers and whose husband was killed in Iraq spoke as words flashed on the screen: “More attacks.” “Surrender is not an option.” In another ad, a Marine in a wheelchair said, “To hear Congress talk about surrendering really makes me angry.” After these poisons were injected into the atmosphere, Petraeus emerged from behind the curtain as the sober voice of reason.</p>
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<p>They are missing the Is*ael connection in this disgusting ad. I bet a key part of it is AIP*C linked. I read here back when that 5 of the 6 main funders are linked to AIP*C.</p>
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<p>Well besides frontman Ari Fleisher, the big money is that of Sheldon Adelson, owner of the ex-Jewish mob run Sands Cas*no, and reputedly the “world’s richest Jew”.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=16973">http://www.jewishjournal.com/h&#8230;..p?id=16973</a></p>
<p>He and his Israeli wife are close friends and financial supporters of L*kud’s Bibi Netanyahu, and have bought a free daily newspaper that is even sent by mail to Israelis. The content is definitely pro-L*KUD..and certainly is not based on a sound “economic model”. It’s propoganda designed to resurrect Bibi’s political career. </p>
<p>Adelson was over in Israel this Summer during the L*KUD party elections and even “hosted” a bunch of US Senators and Congressmen on the trip.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-962878</link>
		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, typing too fast. Hope that above is figure-outable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, typing too fast. Hope that above is figure-outable.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-962877</link>
		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;281&lt;br /&gt;
althespook  says: September 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pm:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There has been a series of worse than expected news lately, and there seems to be a lot of market resonse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I would be careful about the ‘already factored in’ argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If things are out of historical norms, sometimes you can watch the factoring in real time, which may what be going on now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, as I said you cannot see the party’s entire net position.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might be rght that some small group of actors is pissing their pants at potential losses and feels like they have to do some mighty hedging right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or -iran is due.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>281<br />
althespook  says: September 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pm:</p>
<p>There has been a series of worse than expected news lately, and there seems to be a lot of market resonse.</p>
<p>So, I would be careful about the ‘already factored in’ argument.</p>
<p>If things are out of historical norms, sometimes you can watch the factoring in real time, which may what be going on now.</p>
<p>And, as I said you cannot see the party’s entire net position.</p>
<p>You might be rght that some small group of actors is pissing their pants at potential losses and feels like they have to do some mighty hedging right now.</p>
<p>Or -iran is due.</p>
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		<title>By: althespook</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-962822</link>
		<dc:creator>althespook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962712&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 278&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962687&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wesgpc @ 276&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could this have to do with quarterly reports due out in a few days showing big losses from the subprime fiasco?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s already been factored in. the only thing that will produce this sort of a meltdown in the equities markets is&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) a war with iran that doesn’t go well (straits of hormuz blocked, tankers sunk, etc)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;b) a NUCLEAR war with iran that doesn’t go well (oil supplies contaminated and all of (a)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;c) a false flag nuclear detonation inside the us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hobson’s choice, financially.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BUT…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to the big hedge funds and investment banks, 700 mil is an acceptable loss against amounts in the tens of Trillions. The problems we have already HAD with the NINJA loan business have wiped out over A TRILLION (yes with a T) dollars in equity values around the world. If we were to trace this worldwide I suspect we’d find the whole thing is funded by a small hedge fund acting as shell broker and set to either lose the money if nothing happens, or pay out huge profits to the founders (about 2 trillion world wide) if things go to hell. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the modern markets, IF you know what you’re doing and have enough liquid cash, you almost CAN’T lose money. This simply may be more of that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-962712"><em>Hugh @ 278</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-962687"><em>wesgpc @ 276</em></a></p>
<p>Could this have to do with quarterly reports due out in a few days showing big losses from the subprime fiasco?</p>
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<p>that’s already been factored in. the only thing that will produce this sort of a meltdown in the equities markets is</p>
<p>a) a war with iran that doesn’t go well (straits of hormuz blocked, tankers sunk, etc)</p>
<p>b) a NUCLEAR war with iran that doesn’t go well (oil supplies contaminated and all of (a)</p>
<p>c) a false flag nuclear detonation inside the us.</p>
<p>hobson’s choice, financially.</p>
<p>BUT…</p>
<p>to the big hedge funds and investment banks, 700 mil is an acceptable loss against amounts in the tens of Trillions. The problems we have already HAD with the NINJA loan business have wiped out over A TRILLION (yes with a T) dollars in equity values around the world. If we were to trace this worldwide I suspect we’d find the whole thing is funded by a small hedge fund acting as shell broker and set to either lose the money if nothing happens, or pay out huge profits to the founders (about 2 trillion world wide) if things go to hell. </p>
<p>In the modern markets, IF you know what you’re doing and have enough liquid cash, you almost CAN’T lose money. This simply may be more of that.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-962801</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MoveOn.org are saboteurs and armchair agents provocateurs attempting to muddle the antiwar message.  They never established themselves as being opposed even to the nearly universally opposed Iraq war.  They backed Kerry, Hillary, and other such war hawks.  They’ve rarely step out onto the street to demonstrate against war or much of anything else.  They strongly support compromise after compromise in Congress and discourage any impulse there might be to fulfill Congress’s mandate of 2006.  Why should you defend such useful idiots?  I wouldn’t trust them as far as I can throw them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoveOn.org are saboteurs and armchair agents provocateurs attempting to muddle the antiwar message.  They never established themselves as being opposed even to the nearly universally opposed Iraq war.  They backed Kerry, Hillary, and other such war hawks.  They’ve rarely step out onto the street to demonstrate against war or much of anything else.  They strongly support compromise after compromise in Congress and discourage any impulse there might be to fulfill Congress’s mandate of 2006.  Why should you defend such useful idiots?  I wouldn’t trust them as far as I can throw them.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/12/making-moveon-look-mealy-mouthed/#comment-962767</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962624&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;madmommy @ 261&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have had to stealth out so many things from the kiddos toy boxes it’s ridiculous. What moron thought that outsourcing toy production and not checking to make sure the factory was not using lead paint was such a great idea?!?!?!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every once in a while I just gotta yell, “it’s a screaming nightmare.” If you scroll down to &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:hughs@275&quot;&gt;hughs@275&lt;/a&gt; post.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Another gutted agency. Bush appointed Harold Stratton in 2002 (left July 2006) to head the Consumer Products Safety Commission.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Heckuva job Stratton?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-962624"><em>madmommy @ 261</em></a></p>
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<p>I have had to stealth out so many things from the kiddos toy boxes it’s ridiculous. What moron thought that outsourcing toy production and not checking to make sure the factory was not using lead paint was such a great idea?!?!?!</p>
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<p>Every once in a while I just gotta yell, “it’s a screaming nightmare.” If you scroll down to <a href="mailto:hughs@275">hughs@275</a> post.
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<blockquote><p>Another gutted agency. Bush appointed Harold Stratton in 2002 (left July 2006) to head the Consumer Products Safety Commission.</p></blockquote>
<p> Heckuva job Stratton?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962687&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wesgpc @ 276&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could this have to do with quarterly reports due out in a few days showing big losses from the subprime fiasco?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-962687"><em>wesgpc @ 276</em></a></p>
<p>Could this have to do with quarterly reports due out in a few days showing big losses from the subprime fiasco?</p>
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