And then there’s this, via ThinkProgress:
WASHINGTON, Sep 12 (IPS) – In sharp contrast to the lionisation of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus’s superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting.
Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be “an ass-kissing little chickenshit” and added, “I hate people like that”, the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.
No doubt Diaper Dave is drawing up a resolution to have him censured by Congress right now. It would be the civil thing to do.
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did I get the zedunofitzeroo?
first?
No, Ratz.
Jane!
perris @ 2
no, I did not
*Udamn it*
pure silliness gabbing about MoveOn. i’ll see’em and raise’em Ann C**lter…
Boo Hoo Boehner is outraged, outraged.
Jean Schmidt has gotten back on her broom and flown to DC to sponsor a wag of the finger bill too.
-GSD
hey jane, did you see the piece where a journalist was in the room when someone from the white house called patraous and made him change is testimony?
it’s linked on the other thread and that needs to be put up the top of this thread becuase it is very aprapos
Oh, and I mentioned this sometime last night re: Diaper Dave’s little resolution. HELLO? First amendment rights in PARTICULAR to political speech?? NO CAN DO.
Of course Dave no doubt wadded a copy of the Constitution into his diapers…
if that Fallon quote is on, look at how much shit is hitting the fan in short order !
Careful, Admiral. Next thing you know, they’ll be calling you a foul-mouthed femblogger or something.
perris @ 8
ok, here’s the clip, man does that belong on this thread or what?
EPU’d from last thread:
“ass kissing little chickenshit”? there’s my kind of man!
I believe I’m starting to like Mr. Fallon.
Diaper Dave:
“I am pushing for the support and passage of a U.S. Senate Resolution decrying a personal attack against General Petraeus taken out by MoveOn.org in a recent edition of the New York Times. I find it despicable – especially since it was printed so close to September 11th. We should be able to come together, Democrats and Republicans, and denounce this type of rhetoric as beyond the pale. General Petraeus received large bipartisan support during his U.S. Senate confirmation and should not be subjected to personal attacks for political points,” said Vitter.
Any truth to the rumor that MoveOn has decided to accommodate Dave and do a full-page ad making a personal
attackstatement about Vitter?Peterr @ 11
Bingo.
perris @ 12
It’s on this thread – the opening clip. And from the other thread, my 61 was a reply to your 100. Time running backwards there?
way off subject, pls. forgive me, but mediabloodhound has done an extensive research and analysis job on how abc gave dennis kucinich the shaft on the previous debate last month, and how washpo and time blogs enabled abc to continue to do so.
yes, i’m blogwhoring, but i’m blogwhoring for mediabloodhound this time. go read the article.
(but just so you don’t think i’m sick or anything, stop by my place, where i have email contact info for abc news and other media outlets that have given kucinich short shrift.)
I’m thinking of betrayus type words for Bush/Cheney that would stick. Any ideas???
OldCoastie @ 14
I salute the admiral. Imagine – a truth teller in these here times.
What I found predictably disgusting about the MoveOn “controversy” is that Lieberschmuck was first out of the gate to denounce MoveOn, while he was on his way to a party featuring Ann “faggot” Coulter. Can’t appear partisan, ya know.
Wait, that is the clip atop this thread.
Not that I believe Joe Klein for a minute — he’s only guessing that Petraeus took a call from the White House during the committee’s recess. And he doesn’t remember it was Evan Bayh who Petraeus interrupted to revisit his “I don’t know” answer to Senator Warner. Joke Line sez “I was in the room” but there’s very little actual reporting taking place.
Best part of the clip is when Tweety calls Petraeus “a little Charlie McCarthy action.”
Is it true that Dick Cheney was drinking a glass of water while General Petreaus spoke?
-GSD
I think MoveOn should buy another full page and print Fallons quote. /s
peanutbutter @ 9
Vitter is such a wanker. If he had half a brain he would be keeping a very low profile, but no. His ego insists that he keep putting himself out there, and in a way that just makes him look even more ridiculous, if that’s possible. Sadly, from what I hear on local talk radio, it is just scandalous how Vitter is being attacked. The rationalizations are beyond amazing: 1) He wasn’t arrested. True, there’s a statute of limitations. But he did admit to a “sin” with a prostitute. 2)This is a private matter between him and his wife. IF he were a private citizen, yeah. But he’s up on that moral high-horse and telling the rest of us how to live, so his “sins” are fair game. But the selective memory issues for Vitter are the best. He replaced a man who got caught cheating on his wife (Bob Livingston). At the time Vitter said that stepping down was the right thing for Livingston to do, since he had let down his constituents. Now that the shoe is on Vitter’s foot, it’s going to take a crowbar and a team of mules to get him out.
Eureka Springs @ 24
That’s exactly what I thought when I read the Fallon quote earlier today. Let Vitter put that in his diaper and smoke it.
Petraeus is “An ass-kissing little chickenshit.” Adm. Fallon hit the nail on the head
TeddySanFran @ 26
‘Twould be poetic justice, to be sure, but without some direct confirmation/clarification from the Admiral or the person quoted, I think such an ad would be big and well-deserved trouble for MoveOn.org.
FunnyDiva
wesgpc – I left a brief response downstairs.
Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy ! Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy ! Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy ! Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy !
GSD @ 23
LOL
madmommy @ 25
Yea but Madmommy, all of those necks de red in north of NOLA don’t care what he did with a hooker or in diapers. All they care about is their side winning.
TeddySanFran @ 26
Would they be allowed to print it verbatim or would they have to use asterisks so as to avoid damaging some fragile psyche that might stumble across such salty language and collapse with a case of the vapors?
Anyone else notice when Vitter was asking questions on the Crocker Petraeus shiny pony show on cspan.. All chairs around Vitter were empty, all of them.
SnarKassandra @ 30
Good evening, O Snarky One. How was your day?
FunnyDiva
While Admiral Fallon may have called General Petraeus “an ass-kissing little chickenshit”, I am sure he meant it in a good way.
SnarKassandra @ 30
Hi!
Too much coffee, I see. I’ll give you something else next time…
Peterr @ 11
Boy would I love to see that. The Admiral is sounds like the sort of guy who would make Vitter wet those diapers…
marymccurnin @ 32
They are just thankful it was a woman. Imagine the mental gymnastics it would require to defend him, and keep the seat GOP, if he had been caught with a man.
Hugh @ 36
and it couldn’t have happened to a better target, er, general…
FunnyDiva
Funnydiva2002 @ 35
Good day. Not as much homework. Cool dinner with really good food.
Hugh @ 36
Fallon sounds like a foul-mouthed femblogger! Welcome, Admiral. We salute you!
Eureka Springs @ 34
The Republics know that he is bad news just waiting to happen. If he gets away with the hooker stuff, I think he’ll decide he can keep on. Let him. He’ll get caught again.
From Jane’s first link:
Why does this sound familiar? I think it was on scarecrow’s early morning thread, from the Q&A with Petraeus:
Hmmm . . . John Warner was formerly the Secretary of the Navy. . . You don’t suppose that Admiral Fallon might have chatted with an old Navy buddy after throwing a brick through the TV while watching Petraeus’ performance before the House? “John, ask General Kiss-ass if this mess has made us safer!”
I noticed asskissing chickenshit Tweetie had Laura Ingraham on today. Watching, of course, was out of the question.
SnarKassandra @ 30
Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy ! Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy ! Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy ! Hello hello hello hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi howdy !
What – you’re not speaking to me?
Diaper Dave Vitter isn’t fit to lick Willam Fallon’s boots.
LS @ 19
Traitors works for me ;)
Howdy JayT
GSD @ 23
Dayam, Tricky Dick is that good a ventriloquist??? ;-)
Hugh @ 36
Yes for all we know asskissing little chickenshit was a polite way of phrasing it by the Admiral’s standards.
phred @ 38
Oops Peterr beat me to it. sorry!
and HEY! where does holy joe get off standing on the same fricking stage as Ann “I hate widows” Coultergeist, Queen of Vituperousness???? Just when I thought it couldn’t get stupider.
mui @ 45
I noticed asskissing chickenshit Tweetie had Laura Ingraham on today. Watching, of course, was out of the question.
You should have – he has a man-crush on her – not quite sure how that works…
Hugh @ 36
It’s a traditional method of expressing camaraderie in the Naval Service.
Phoenix Woman @ 47
Though he’s anxious to try.
LS @ 19
Betrayus, Push-us, Chain-us ?
Hi everybody.
jayt @ 46
What – you’re not speaking to me?
Apparently, Not!!! Evening, Cassie!!! ;-)
jayt @ 53
You should have – he has a man-crush on her – not quite sure how that works…
*brain bleach!!!*
Hiya Ron D!
Hi CT.
Mad Dogs @ 55
These boots don’t tap.
SnarKassandra @ 60
Hi Cassie!
how are your classes?
OT – for CNN, a fairly reasonable story on Ahmadinejad’s comments. Considering the drumbeat, they parsed his words with very little inflammatory comment. Looks like they’ve finally got round to the story of the 2 guys who were part of the Op-Ed.
I wonder how many Gopers had to tell Lieberman he can’t introduce this legislation.. it’s a Vitter Bill.
jayt @ 53
You should have – he has a man-crush on her – not quite sure how that works…
Even Laura was taken aback…!!!
What is going on with these put options?:
http://www.canadafreepress.com…..090407.htm
Elliott @ 62
Pretty good. Did some benchmark tests today and finished pretty fast. I don’t like the journalism class as much as I thought I would. Too much ABOUT journalism and no HOW TO journalism, at least not yet.
That wild eyed “leftist”, former CIA agent and head of Bin Laden operation, Michael Scheuer analyzes Bin Laden’s latest release.
He says there are overt threats.
-GSD
Asiatimes link.
SnarKassandra @ 60
Dang, Cassie, more rain headed your direction, Humberto lingering off Galveston’s shore!!!
SnarKassandra @ 67
It’s early yet. Hopefully soon they’ll get to the good stuff. Judging from your blog, I’m thinking you’ve already got a good headstart!
SnarKassandra @ 67
I think you just put your finger on what’s wrong with “journalism” today, too much J-School!
Besides you all ready are a journalist anyway :)
CTuttle @ 69
yikes! i better check the weather.
LS@66
I’ve been looking at this for a couple of weeks now, and not gotten any deeper than that FreePress article. I said earlier today that between the “stand-down” of the AirForce on the 14th, the missing nuke, and the Iran situation, that we’re heading straight into tinfoil country. Scary!
CTuttle @ 65
I once had a friendly argument with someone over who was worse: Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin. But Laura Ingraham really gives me the heebiejeebies. I saw a few minutes and I believe she was winding up to some screed on how liberals have biased us all aginst big families.
GSD @ 68
The Osama tapes are bogus…all of them.
New Fallon T-Shirt Just Released
Eureka Springs @ 64
***
You mean, it’s a Vitter Bill to swallow?
CTuttle @ 69
Galveston, I had a really good friend from Galveston.
(Okay I know that sounds like when you’re in an airport and someone asks you if they know his or her brother who lives in America.)
marymccurnin @ 76
Ha ha ha !
CD @ 77
ugh!
Humberto is making landfall just east of Lolita, TX. NOt kidding.
I haven’t seen anything on Hannity’s concert last night. Surely, there was something said that Lieberman should apologize for.
And, where exactly is all the money raised going to go?
I noticed that tin-foil futures have skyrocketed in recent weeks.
Hmmm…
-GSD
marymccurnin @ 76
New Fallon T-Shirt Just Released
oooh, I’ll take one please – in an extra large…(I’m bigger than I look)
mui @ 78
The report I heard is mostly a rain event, up to a foot in the next 24-36 hours. Depending on if it continues NNW or goes more N as to who gets the most wet.
GSD @ 68
Yikes!
.
.
and Bin Laden’s plan is working, too:
my bold
OT, kinda. But I’ve been trying to do my bit to get the Rev. Yearwood treatment outside the Petraeus hearings more widely noticed by Reprepsentatives who might be supportive in speaking up about this.
Just noticed that there is a new YouTube up- interview with Yearwood. Apologies if that has already been posted 16 times:
Rev. Yearwood speaks re: Police Brutality against him.
CD @ 77
Yep *s*.. and watch them all treat it like a flag burning amendment.
solai @ 82
Hannity’s checking account? It was billed as a charity-type event, but none of the ticket price was tax deductable, so it seems a bit dicey to me. But again, IOKIYAR. Which, sadly, also applies to Holy Joe.
we are not expecting rain until saturday.
Valley Girl @ 87
Transcript?
SnarKassandra @ 67
Stay in this class (FDL) on what’s wrong with journalism.
marymccurnin @ 76
Um..Fallon is an Admiral, not a General.
Mary should we send those shirts to the congress or to the troops in Iraq?
marymccurnin @ 76
lmao
RonD @ 93
Dangit. I knew I should have looked it up.
Hurricane themesong.
-GSD
Elliott @ 95
I hope they’re offering bumper stickers as well.
What a clip, Jane. Did you catch how may zillion times a second Joe Small’s eyes blinked during that short section. Suggests the guy knows he’s got to lie,lie,lie,lie to try to dig the admin out of this whole. What an ass-wipe, just like Joe lierman
Valley Girl @ 87
Thanks! a lot of people have been asking about this.
Elliott @ 95
They need to do a re-do..He’s an Adm. not a Gen.
FWIW and to respond to folks who are clutching pearls or having the vapors over the Betray-us ad; think about how much or little attention a MoveOn ad without using the term would have gotten:
*crickets*
And oh yeah, it originated with his troops, not with the liberals.
I guess the troops either don’t support themselves OR they recognize sh*t no matter how high it’s stacked and no matter how much fruit salad is decorating it.
I vote for the latter.
phred @ 38
Thanks! I needed that reminder. Short-term memory not what it used ta be, heh. Betr. LIKES being a punching bag? OMG. The 2 of them up there – what a pair. It’d be sad if it weren’t so infuriating. I’ve come to believe they truly are so downtrodden in previous career choices, they just don’t have the spine to care any more, except for parroting THE line and collecting the paycheck. An awful life perhaps deserving pity, but still nowhere near the agony of the troops, the innocent IQs caught in crossfire/cross-purposes of this debacle. Those 2 must have “0″ self-respect to take part in this charade.
Petr. seems to scribble pretty fast, and he’s prompt in checking off little items on his notepad, as each congresscritter asks or fails to ask the expected questions.
Suggest he consider becoming/continuing his career as a stenographer elsewhere. Surely he would sleep better at night. Oh, pardon. I forgot those thousands upon thousands of innocents for which he’s repeatedly declared himself not responsible. Just doin’ ‘is job, outta the book, over the phone from shooter’s ofc, no more.
I can smell the fear and decay from here.
mui @ 98
If you buy an impeachment sticker at the same time you can get two for one.
GordonM @ 63
I am still PO’ed at Ted Turner. I don’t know Ted’s political leanings, but CNN was a lot better place when he ran it.
It ain’t over, till it’s over, as I have been reminded.
But I must get ready to herald in the Jewish New Year.
And in the 8th inning Boston is losing, and (in a separate game, also in the 8th) the Yankees are winning.
To anyone I have offended during the past year, I offer a sincere and humble apology. May the coming year bring sweetness to all, and peace throughout the world.
RonD @ 93
Heh, Oops…
So who died (other than Bush) and put Petraeus in charge of setting policy?
Unfuckingbelievable
Elliott @ 86
It is not Bin Laden.
madmommy @ 89
HoJo is a virtual Republican, in this techno world.
Steve-AR @ 101
I sorry, okay! (mentioned before)
If I didn’t have a headache from thinking about David Pamper Yourself Vitter I would photoshop it over.
BigMitch @ 106
Yankees suck.
Happy New Year!
I’m forgiven.
-GSD
LS @ 19
I never thought there was any point to saying all the syllables in “George Double-you Bush” when a nice, crisp “shithead” would do.
Furthermore, it just might stick, depending on diet.
GSD @ 97
C’mon, this is more apropo…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB8HudfbaTE
Here is another t-shirt possibility
3774 US war dead
“A Small Price”
…Sen. Boehner (R)
(quote from Think Progress)
BigMitch @ 106
Happy and sweet Shana Tova.
Valley Girl @ 87
Thanks, VG.
BigMitch @ 106
Shalom, indeed, throughout the world. Even Yankee Stadium.
Richmond @ 115
Did that mallet head really say that?
OT..FYI..
EXCLUSIVE Report From Iraq: U.S. Fueling Sectarian Civil War in Anbar by Funding Former Insurgents to Fight Al Qaeda
DN link
Peace BigMitch!
Shadowstalker @ 73
FWIW, I read the news account and do not see the worry. They are grounding training and non-essential operations such as check flights. This is not grounding all operational flights that are needed for security purposes. When I was on active duty and stationed at a SAC base, we had a day like they are calling where there was a total stand down but the operational misisons still went on.
But as always, YMMV.
Peterr @ 118
The only kind of bombers that I like.
I’m not a fig plucker
Nor a fig plucker’s son
But I’ll pluck your figs
Till the fig plucker comes
Say it 3 x’s fast Betrayus
solai @ 82
From last night Late Late Night:
mui @ 78
And when I meet americans they always want to know if I have met their cousin in Toronto. Or Vancouver.
Valley Girl @ 87
Thanks Valley Girl.
Valley Girl @ 87
Bravo!!!!!
peanutbutter @ 6
I agree! Why doesn’t someone call them on this crap. “You’ve got people like Ann C**lter out there saying all kinds of terrible things, denigrating widows of the twin tower tragedy. You’ve got a guy like Rush Limberger (yes, I know that’s not his name)out there criticizing people about drug abuse while he takes his OxyContin on the side. Several others downright slander anyone that doesn’t agree with them. And your guy gave an ambassadorship to the head man responsible for the Swiftboating that slandered John Kerry during a campaign for President. Yet you have the nerve to criticize others who are seeking to have this general tell the truth instead of reciting White House talking points? You have a hell of a lot of nerve!”
CTuttle @ 65
Um, I did watch a bit of that, till Tweetie got all fouled up in his slobber, trying to make one of the goose & gander jokes fit the occasion, only he said little boy or little girl. Yeah. A number of us were, well, stunned. They need to tighten Tweetie’s collar just a couple or 5 notches. He’s really lost whatever he had in the way of suitability for “on camera” presentation. Mebbe pay-per-view hmmmB.O. Whew.
dakine01 @ 122
You have to also ad in the mix, Isr*el’s recent bombing of Syria, the movement of Brit troops to the Iran border, and the wolf howl volume increases by Lieberlier, the NYT and others wanting war with Iran.
BigMitch @ 106
Happy New Year, BigMitch!
Just wondering how many denizens of the Bronx the NSA has targeted for talking on the phone about their beloved “Bombers.”
Ann in AZ @ 129
They are scared.
Because they are wiretapped, or their loved ones are.
And Karl, or Cheney, has their NSA file.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 105
As I understand it, Ted is about 60% good liberal, and 40% total nutcase (which apparently comes out more in his business and personal dealings).
SnarKassandra @ 67
It used to be that there were rules like: include who, what, when, and where in your first sentence; don’t bury the lede; avoid anonymous sources; verify using at least two independent sources if you do; don’t plagiarize, etc.
Now things have become a lot simpler: It’s always good for Republicans; anonymous sources are fine; don’t fact check; don’t analyze; just copy down what people tell you; throw in one short opposing quote for balance and you’re done.
Ann in AZ @ 129
Sadly, righteous indignation is in short supply among our leaders. And no, not the pearl-clutching kabuki that the GOP has raised to an art form. Just once I would love to see someone in a position of power stand up and call these ass-clowns on their BS.
Excerpt on Truthout.org from a fascinating chapter of Naomi Klein’s new book, “The Shock Doctrine”:
Valley Girl @ 87
quote from Rev. Yearwood on the clip:
“They can beat on me – and they might beat on you, but we must continue to stand up for justice. We must continue to fight for our country and our world. Humanity depends on it.”
I hope his civil suit gets him millions. he seems like the kind of guy who’d know what to do with it.
BigMitch @ 133
The mind boggles.
Happy New Year to you and yours!
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GordonM @ 135
didn’t he donate like a billion dollars to help the poor in Africa. Literally a billion.
From last thread, but still. Why do these Repukes get all wound up by moveon? It defeats their argument that moveon is a “childish” Lamont-supporting George Soros controlled “leftist fringe group” not representative of any large group of “respectable” people(inspite of its large membership), nor capable of doing so. If Reid denounces the ad, I think he is a certifiable asskisser of an asskissing little chickenshit. An ad should be taken out denouncing Reid as such.
The last of the Bush-hole leaders is poised for defeat.
In Australia:
Polls throughout the year have indicated that Howard is leading his 11-year-old coalition government to a landslide defeat.
-GSD
Richmond @ 131
I see the Brit move as a potential good thing. Whosis name, the new Brit PM, is NOT a Lapdog for BushCo in the Tony Blair tradition and may be having the troops close to Iran as a signal to Bush that attacking would not be seen favorably by our most trusted ally.
Bush’s timing on this slight withdraw is really bad for him. I’m always surprised in a bad way by how Congress reacts to him, but I think Bush seems so uncaring and out of touch, with no mission and no real idea of what’s happening in Iraq, that it’s all going to collapse in the next few weeks. On top of this, oil hit 80, the economy is looking dire. What Congress can do about this, I don’t know, because Bush will veto anything he doesn’t like, but I don’t think it’s going to be the whitewash we were all expecting a couple days ago.
BigMitch @ 133
Or devotees of White Castle burgers, sometimes known as “sliders,” “gut busters,” or . . . “belly bombs”.
LS @ 128
Thanks to you, and all who’ve said thanks.
I called John Lewis’s Atlanta office today. (emailed last eve). And, some other stuff.
I sent this update to Siun via email, earlier:
~~~Siun, fyi I called ~1:30 pm ET. I had a 5-10 min conversation with the woman who answered the phone.
She was incredibly nice, very interested. Had not heard about the incident. I told her what I knew. I tried to be as brief as possible, but started to stray off with a bit of a rant because I found talking about the whole thing got me even more angry. I caught myself and said, oh, sorry, I see I’m starting to ramble. She said, no, don’t worry– This is something John Lewis needs to look into.
She wanted the link to your post at FDL, (that was to Siun) and she got it open while we were on the phone. I stressed that Lewis and staff need to watch both videos and not just rely on the police report.
She said she would sent out an email about this (I assume she meant to all Lewis staff). And thanked me profusely for phoning with the information.~~~~
dakine01 @ 110
Unbelievable! True believers attended that concert probably thinking they were contributing to the troops by buying a ticket.
BigMitch @ 106
Happy New Year and look forward to being offended by you next year. *g*
dakine01 @ 145
I don’t follow – how would the brit troop positions indicate that?
BigMitch @ 133
…Or the Evil Empire references…!!! :P
BigMitch @ 142
Yup.
Happy New Year. Try not to get too wrapped up in those Yanks this year.
GordonM @ 135
Ted is a manic depressive who apparently gets very ill and does not take lithium. Having seen that illness at work, I have sympathy for him. I am not trying to sound sanctimonious, but I thought we went through this before.
I imagine the NSA must have a lot of Greek pizza joints under surveillance.
What with the subs, bombs and torpedoes….
-GSD
CTuttle @ 152
or what about saying “da bomb”?
mui @ 149
Anyone who attends an event at which Ann Coulter, Rudi Giuliani, Joe Lieberman, Sean Hannity and Oilier North are the billed attractions — I am happy to see those true believers separated from their cash.
mui @ 149
Possibly. But my guess is the price was high enough that only the main-line kool aide swillers ponied up the price of admission. They know where the money went. The scholarship thing was just PR cover, they think no one is going to follow up. And they’re likely quite right.
Here’s my email to John Kerry:
“I don’t like any kind of characterizations in our politics that call into question any active duty, distinguished general,” Kerry told CNN, adding “who I think under any circumstances serves with the best interests of our country.”
You are wrong on this, John. We have every right — and a duty — to call into question those who serve this criminal administration in perpetuating this war. As I recall, you did an admirable job of opposing LBJ’s war. What’s happened to that John Kerry?
I’ll be blunt: Don’t aid in the swiftboating of hardworking Democrats.
BigMitch @ 106
Happy New Year, Mitch. You’ve never offended me! (I do skip over the sports talk, though!)
Hugh @ 36
MoveOn, Jane, Admiral Fallon, ATTACK! How pathetic, that all the taxpayer funded propaganda to support this Iraq Genocide is mostly ignored. Antiwar voices must be silenced by the War Profiteers by any means.
If it was not MoveOn, the slander would be against DailyKos, or FireDogLake, or Keith Olbermann. I suggest MoveOn continue with their great campaign, and maybe we all should follow their creative example.
Big Mitch,
Did you get your Rosh Hashanah greetings from the White House? It wouldn’t have come today — they goofed and sent them out last week.
From today’s Froomkin:
Froomkin links to all the official White House greetings, if you want to check them out.
I think the Admiral engages in what might be call speaking his mind. I’d also suspect that the ‘talent’ that he saw served Petraeus well in his dealing with our beloved President he likes no one better than a good ass kisser.
Fern @ 151
Maybe they’re there to make sure there’s no funny business coming from behind them? Who knows. A guy with the name “Gordon” deserves at least one shot. *g*
Fern @ 151
They’re in the line of fire should Shrubby send bombs raining down on Iran. It would place those Brits much closer to harms way. A little convoluted I grant you but I see it as a bit of a game of chicken.
I also believe that Putin told Bush some very unpleasant truths about what would happen everywhere if we attacked Iran when they met up at Kennebunkport earlier in the summer. And I believe that’s why Bush looked p*ss’d at their presser.
Peterr @ 162
GWB is such a schmuck.
mui @ 154
Not you and I.
TeddySanFran @ 157
Even those that are misguided enough that lower taxes will help them pay the mortgae Fern @ 126
Universal I guess.
BigMitch @ 133
The ones who mentioned “zuccinni” in the same conversation are now enjoying the all-expenses-paid CIA free tour of Bugaria’s Abandoned KGB Prisons….
We, liberals, are at a disadvantage. It’s the nature of the beast. No Dem has ever introduced a bill to admonish Rush, Coulter or all of FoxNews. We would regard that as stupid. But the media plays along. Every reporter on the planet asks Obama his opinion whenever a black person makes some incendiary remark. How many repubs get asked to repudiate all the Coulter etc. nonsense.
Now, Boehner has really stepped in it. Do you think the dems will comment about it? Will the reporters ask repubs if they agree? Will they even ask Boehner?
Why is their such a double standard? And, how do we change that?
dakine01 @ 165
Agreed, although Putin may be an neocon imposter.
Big Papi, Walk-off Homer…!!! Mazel Tov, Big Mitch!!! 8-)
OldCoastie @ 14
In an earlier comment on another post I said I thought the Senators should bring Fallon in for a chat, since some of Feingold’s questions were so far above Petraeus’ pay grade. Maybe Fallon can give them more on priorities and color in the big picture. Maybe while they are at it, they could also ask him his opinion of Petraeus, cause you know they’ll never own up. I doubt that Fallon would be very forthcoming either in front of Congress, but they might have some fun. I would certainly call him in before I gave the President any of the money he’s asked for…perhaps as a condition for even thinking of giving him the money. Seems the least they could do is make it hard for him to get the loot.
Uh BigMitch?
Final score: Red Sox 5, Tampa Bay 4
Big Papi with two run HR in the bottom of the 9th for the win.
@168. I apologize. Started to write one thing. Don’t even remember hitting anything. *holds head*
dakine01 @ 165
Thanks – makes sense.
CTuttle @ 172
Please, what’s the score?
Thanks dakine.
inmymind’seye @ 177
5-4, Bosox!!!
Big Al!
You’ve really expanded your presence at your blogs…great reads, there.
Anything new on the nuke front? (now that’s a scary thing to say…)
Ann in AZ @ 173
CTuttle @ 172
What are the standings re: playoffs and wild card?
solai @ 170
But the more the Repugs talk it up, the more it reinforces that Petraeus is not to be trusted. Goes back to the psychological effects of how repeating the negative reinforces it and makes folks think it’s the truth.
Really turns the tables on the Rs with all their vaunted media spin for once.
This administration has reinvigorated the arms race. The whole world is on edge worried about the maniacs running this country.
Thanks too, CTuttle!
Like, so, I just can’t pay attention to sports right now.
Another recent YouTube:
Rev. Yearwood Discusses Capitol Arrest
New Salon piece:
How Bush is trying to save face in Iraq
snip
Artillery barrages of TV commercials seeking to soften public opinion preceded Petraeus’ report. A new front group, Freedom’s Watch, founded at the instigation of the White House, funded by Bush’s political financiers (including prominent members of the Scooter Libby Defense Fund) and directed by Dan Senor (former press secretary for the catastrophic Coalition Provisional Authority), launched a series of ads that were a pastiche of past Republican themes. Children in small-town America were depicted raising a flag, a scene plagiarized from Ronald Reagan’s 1984 “Morning Again in America” commercial. Then fragments of Bush’s 2004 campaign washed up like messages in bottles. Soldiers who had lost limbs in Iraq segued into pictures of the burning World Trade Center as words appeared on the screen: “They attacked us.” A soldier said, “We’re winning on the ground in Iraq. It’s no time to quit.” A bereaved woman whose uncle died as a fireman in the twin towers and whose husband was killed in Iraq spoke as words flashed on the screen: “More attacks.” “Surrender is not an option.” In another ad, a Marine in a wheelchair said, “To hear Congress talk about surrendering really makes me angry.” After these poisons were injected into the atmosphere, Petraeus emerged from behind the curtain as the sober voice of reason.
The country sure are a mess. Goodnight Lahoma.
Turn out the light kiddo.
I’m sick of the word “Bush”.
solai @ 170
We start blogs
We yell a lot
We write emails
We march in the streets
mui @ 149
After the way Brian Ross of ABC went after NBC’s Dateline, maybe we should see just how much of an investigative reporter he is…a perfect opportunity for him to get to the bottom of this. Charity? Profiteering on the suffering of our troops? You decide, Brian….
madmommy @ 181
Red Sox five games up on Yankees in East
Yankees four games over Detroit in Wild Card.
Could it be that the stand down is an effort by the more decent types in the Air Force to make sure that no more nuke mistakes occur?
Webb has asked that Fallon come in and talk about the “wider” war.
madmommy @ 181
Bosox 5 up on the Yanks, Yanks are on top of the wild-card, Angels, 9 lead in the West, Indians, 5 in the Central…
LS @ 188
I’m just sick of Bush –
each and every one of them
I haven’t been online too much today and can’t seem to find what’s bring vitter in thenews today. Did something happen or are the hookers on strike?
This just in from the NYT: Compromise on Oil Law in Iraq Seems to Be Collapsing by JAMES GLANZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..ad.html?hp
Why do I find this so funny? Another case of deja vu all over again.
Never mind. Found it @15.
marymccurnin @ 192
That’s
Weird AlAlthespooks take.marymccurnin @ 192
That is the nominal reason fro the stand down. I was involved in one when I was on active duty. The news report I read said all training flights and such were cancelled for Command wide safety training and meetings. But it did not say that ALL flights were shut down which I read as being the security necessary flights would still be operational as required
Only 43 Iraqis killed today. Ain’t that good news?
ccmask @ 196
Flynt held a presser today with the NOLA hooker who took a polygraph regarding her “relationship” with Diaper Dave. She passed. The Vitter camp is categorically denying everything.
Hugh @ 197
Magic!!
LS @ 201
43 faces Bush could have saved.
ccmask @ 198
That plus Larry Flynt publicizing the hooker who passed a lie detector test and has challenged Vitter to take one.
madmommy @ 202
Why does Vitter think it is OK to see hookers in washington but not in louisiana?
AK, I forgot to bookmark your new address. Link?
LS @ 66
This article, as written, makes no sense at all.
False flag all the way.
Loo Hoo. @ 207
Here Loo Hoo
CTuttle @ 194
No, no no – the important race, the NL West!
ccmask @ 186
They are missing the Is*ael connection in this disgusting ad. I bet a key part of it is AIP*C linked. I read here back when that 5 of the 6 main funders are linked to AIP*C.
SnarKassandra @ 206
Cuz the Louisiana hooker thingie had more of a smell to it.
Uh-oh . . . George is not going to be pleased when he wakes up in the morning. Tomorrow’s NYT has this:
Somebody’s stepping all over Bush’s carefully planned photo-op speech tomorrow, and the Decider is not going to be happy. I wouldn’t want to be the person to tell him about this.
But I would like to watch.
(Emptywheel, as usual, has more.)
Thanks, newtonusr. Bookmarked!
bmaz @ 209
Oh yeah there is another league…!!! ;-)
SnarKassandra @ 206
Oh, he admits that it is wrong in both places. But the only proof is in DC with his phone number showing up in the DC madam’s call list so he is just saying that it was only in DC. But it’s a NOLA prostitute who took and passed the lie detector. And there have supposed to be stories about him and brothels in NOLA for years.
Standard R hypocrisy
SnarKassandra @ 206
Heh…
Hiya, Snarkita!
Loo Hoo. @ 211
the diaper smell? ew!
TeddySanFran @ 189
There hasn’t been a lot of marching. I have read very little about the rally in DC this(?) weekend. I guess living in DC during the ’60’s gave me a distorted view of what protest is.
SnarKassandra @ 206
Cause he’s a big ole hypocrite, diaper wearing wanker?
hello ms doodley!
madmommy @ 202
Thanks madmommy.
Peterr @ 212
Magic. Beware Oathtakers.
Why does Vitter think it is OK to see hookers in washington but not in louisiana?
hell, it might *gain* him votes in Louisiana.
CTuttle @ 214
LOL
SnarKassandra @ 217
*gasp* Now, Now, Missie, where every did ya learn how to be so snarky…!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 214
Hey now. I was there in 2001 when the DBacks beat the Damn Yankees. All it took was a little bloop single……
The “other” league, which doesn’t have the contriced DH can win. Sometimes.
ccmask @ 196
Diaper David Vitter Pampered Petrerash’s ass in questioning. He just Luvs attention. And now that Moveon was being mean to BetrayUS, Diaper Vitter wants to give him a Huggie.
Steve-AR @ 218
Here’s a start.
Peterr @ 212
Ooohh! Maybe that anticipated live TV hissy fit will finally happen! A girl can dream, can’t she? Mentally, he’s hanging by a thread. When it snaps it’s not going to be pretty. I just hope someone has a straight jacket at the ready.
When did they start calling lead-off homers “walk-off homers”?
And another thing, the phrase that is getting kicked around by the… can I say scumbags? Dan Burton did….. Republican whacks is that the Democrats have “invested in failure” or “a vested interset in failure.” My dopey Senator (not to be confused with my charisma challenged senator) has already said it today. A few days of hearing this and I’ll be ready to puke.
wholly OT
Led Zeppelin will reunite for one concert in November.
I was born snarky. It’s even in my name!
madmommy @ 229
I look forward to the meltdown. Hope it’s live!
And one more thing. Is Boehner’s name pronounced like “boner”? As long as we’re being accused of calling people chilish names…….
bmaz @ 226
Not recently, even the interleague play has been heavily skewed in favor of the AL, and I was mighty appreciative of Curt and that other fella…!!! ;-)
GordonM @ 224
The senior curcuit, not the DHing, pitcher not hitting pale comaprison that is the AL.
bonkers @ 227
Beautiful, bonkers!!!
madmommy @ 236
which one is senior?
Good God, this new gig is kicking my ass. There’s no way I can come and play with you folks, and you sure look like you are on a tear.
Pretty bad when Joe Klein snaps out of his torpor to pay attention, you know?
I look forward to the meltdown. Hope it’s live!
The Devolution will be televised!
Beerfart Liberal @ 230
A walk-off is a homer that ends the game.
Rayne @ 239
Hi Rayne!
Beerfart Liberal @ 234
That’s the way I always pronounce it.
Beerfart Liberal @ 234
When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking.
SnarKassandra @ 238
The National League
Local news is constantly covering the Chinese toy recalls. Nancy Nord is depicted on tivo as criticizing the agency’s outdated facilities and lack of personnel. Yet here she is in this Sept 2. article singing its praises. Smells petty rotten.
Peterr @ 11
..or worse (if there’s anything worse).. I suspect even admirals can be disappeared in shrub’s America ;P
Emptywheel’s post says “First, Bush’s Sunni allies out in Anbar (and elsewhere) would rather embarrass Maliki than solidify a deal that will give them a share of the oil revenues.”
Sounds like them damn Sunny’s have a vested interest in failure.
And did someone mention Zeppelin?
Loo Hoo. @ 245
LOL!
Rayne @ 239
He looked remorseful speaking like he did today too. Like he finally realized he’s been taken for a walk.
Another MoveOn ad coming this week.
I’ve heard the two (walk-off and lead-off) being used interchagably, madmommy. And I don’t like it one bit. Not one bit, I don’t.
Rayne @ 239
I got a kick outta Jokeline’s journalistic prowess on display in the middle when he says, “…or whatever…” when he was “reporting” on the scene. Something tells me they don’t suggest using “or whatever” in journalism school. What a freakin tool, and a very dull one at that.
Loo Hoo. @ 245
Go Teacher! Go Teacher.
(I was an English Major a million freaking year ago…in High School.
How ya doin’, hon?
New thread
wangdangdoodle @ 249
you never disappoint wdd!
Shadowstalker @ 179
thank you. actually a number of things, none good. we may have that dam false flag attack yet. i’ll try to give warning if we do realize it is gonna go down.
also, it appears Chimpy is gonna throw down on iran by the 20th. i base this on a 700 million dollar speculation in “put” options recently made at the NYSE (and others in all likelihood) which only pays off if the stock market loses half its current value by that time. Nobody throws away three quarters of a billion dollars on a hunch. i played the market a lot when i was working and had the money to lose (actually made a little but not much), so i know how this kind of thing works.
there is one other possibility, that tis is part of a derivative setup by the major players in the NYSE themselves to protect themselves against a huge loss. That has been done twice, once in Gulf War One and (you guessed it) once in the current war. so maybe it isn’t as bad as it looks. we shall, regrettably, see.
Howdy, Elliott, Loo Hoo!
Mornful, eh? Might have to take the time to watch it and indulge in a weak piece of schadenfreude pie.
mui @ 246
I have had to stealth out so many things from the kiddos toy boxes it’s ridiculous. What moron thought that outsourcing toy production and not checking to make sure the factory was not using lead paint was such a great idea?!?!?!
Beerfart Liberal @ 235
Sounds like Bay-nor.
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 245
Oh, thank you! First laugh I’ve had all day. So good with context, you are. ;)
VG edit: oh dayum, I messed that up. Comment was to Loo Hoo.
I thought he pronounced it “bonner”. Boner is just one of those words that just makes me titter. Hee hee. So is titter.
Beerfart Liberal @ 235
I think it’s pronounced “Flaccid”
Beerfart Liberal @ 254
Interesting. I hadn’t caught alot of games all the way through this season, but since they are completely different things I can see how you would find it agravating.
GordonM @ 199
I heard that, GordonM! No more Spook Crunchies for YOU young (fill in appropriate gender term)!
66 LS says: September 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
What is going on with these put options?:
http://www.canadafreepress.com…..090407.htm
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I don’t understand how these know the motives behind such a deal. They don’t know the other positions of the parties. Hedging can make you do funny things.
But, my number three theory I would add, assuming that they are exposed that way would be an attack on Iran. Some one sees something real stupid coming up and is hedging against ME oil traffic being blocked, and the effects all confused hell breaking out and maybe the US getting its army trapped.
Also, were not the 9/11 AQ financial plays disquised? The pieces were put together after the attack. If AQ is financially savvy enough to deal like that, they would be smart enough to know some one would notice and make inferences.
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And what is the Canadian Free Press, anyway. I can’t figur it out. Seems like more opinion than news.
Beerfart Liberal @ 265
Senator Diaper David Titter.
p.s. not dissing anyone for enjoying baseball. Everyone needs a place to go to decompress and zone out. But, the 1994 BB strike changed all for me. Saw the game in a completely different way than during my innocent years listening to Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett call the Dodger’s games on radio.
Totally offtopic
But here’s a standout part of the article on toy recalls and the consumer product safety commission. It so typical for Repubs like HoJOe and Lynne Cheney to hound the record industry forusing salty language, and not being “family values” in a distorted “The Stepfather” kind of manner, and yet those family values don’t include protecting kids from poisonous toys.
Cassie, I got a great idea for your school newspaper.
wesgpc @ 268
I have no idea about CFP but the put options are real. all the financial blogs that focus on derivatives are buzzing about them since they went across the wire. Like I said, only happened twice previously, before GWI and teh current debacle…
Draper on w/ Jon Stewart
althespook @ 272
Sounds like the SEC might want to look for someone doing a little insider trading, perhaps?
mui @ 247
From my scandals list:
They got rid of the woman who headed their section on poisons. They have one guy to test all toys in the country. His lab is the space behind the door where he drops toys to see if they break.
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althespook says:
…Chimpy is gonna throw down on iran by the 20th. i base this on a 700 million dollar speculation in “put” options recently made at the NYSE (and others in all likelihood) which only pays off if the stock market loses half its current value by that time. Nobody throws away three quarters of a billion dollars on a hunch. i played the market a lot when i was working and had the money to lose (actually made a little but not much), so i know how this kind of thing works.
there is one other possibility, that tis is part of a derivative setup by the major players in the NYSE themselves to protect themselves against a huge loss. That has been done twice, once in Gulf War One and (you guessed it) once in the current war. so maybe it isn’t as bad as it looks. we shall, regrettably, see.
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Dang. Beat me too it while I was trying to figure what what the heck that Canadian Free Press thing was.
If the September sales job for Iraq doesn’t go well, or the public doesn’t buy it, or turns even further against it because it wasn’t persuasive (which I think it was not), Cheney might persuade now is the time that great men double down for the sake of humanity.
That would be a mess.
Cross your fingers.
I think some legit player is hedging. Too obvious for criminals who can’t leave too many traces.
Late Nite is up.
wesgpc @ 276
Could this have to do with quarterly reports due out in a few days showing big losses from the subprime fiasco?
madmommy @ 261
Every once in a while I just gotta yell, “it’s a screaming nightmare.” If you scroll down to hughs@275 post.
Heckuva job Stratton?
MoveOn.org are saboteurs and armchair agents provocateurs attempting to muddle the antiwar message. They never established themselves as being opposed even to the nearly universally opposed Iraq war. They backed Kerry, Hillary, and other such war hawks. They’ve rarely step out onto the street to demonstrate against war or much of anything else. They strongly support compromise after compromise in Congress and discourage any impulse there might be to fulfill Congress’s mandate of 2006. Why should you defend such useful idiots? I wouldn’t trust them as far as I can throw them.
Hugh @ 278
that’s already been factored in. the only thing that will produce this sort of a meltdown in the equities markets is
a) a war with iran that doesn’t go well (straits of hormuz blocked, tankers sunk, etc)
b) a NUCLEAR war with iran that doesn’t go well (oil supplies contaminated and all of (a)
c) a false flag nuclear detonation inside the us.
hobson’s choice, financially.
BUT…
to the big hedge funds and investment banks, 700 mil is an acceptable loss against amounts in the tens of Trillions. The problems we have already HAD with the NINJA loan business have wiped out over A TRILLION (yes with a T) dollars in equity values around the world. If we were to trace this worldwide I suspect we’d find the whole thing is funded by a small hedge fund acting as shell broker and set to either lose the money if nothing happens, or pay out huge profits to the founders (about 2 trillion world wide) if things go to hell.
In the modern markets, IF you know what you’re doing and have enough liquid cash, you almost CAN’T lose money. This simply may be more of that.
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althespook says: September 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pm:
There has been a series of worse than expected news lately, and there seems to be a lot of market resonse.
So, I would be careful about the ‘already factored in’ argument.
If things are out of historical norms, sometimes you can watch the factoring in real time, which may what be going on now.
And, as I said you cannot see the party’s entire net position.
You might be rght that some small group of actors is pissing their pants at potential losses and feels like they have to do some mighty hedging right now.
Or -iran is due.
Sorry, typing too fast. Hope that above is figure-outable.
Richmond @ 211
Well besides frontman Ari Fleisher, the big money is that of Sheldon Adelson, owner of the ex-Jewish mob run Sands Cas*no, and reputedly the “world’s richest Jew”.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/h…..p?id=16973
He and his Israeli wife are close friends and financial supporters of L*kud’s Bibi Netanyahu, and have bought a free daily newspaper that is even sent by mail to Israelis. The content is definitely pro-L*KUD..and certainly is not based on a sound “economic model”. It’s propoganda designed to resurrect Bibi’s political career.
Adelson was over in Israel this Summer during the L*KUD party elections and even “hosted” a bunch of US Senators and Congressmen on the trip.
Hardball was decent the night before, and then crap on this night. Well 1 out of 365 x 6 ain’t so bad….
I turned it off right after this crap.
Yeah, the article says “according to sources familiar with the meeting.”
Just who are these sources? I love how unnamed sources claim certain things were said and the media runs with it as if it’s fact.
Shouldn’t this be fact checked as rigorously as the General’s statistics?
Isn’t it just obvious in hindsight – of course, Fallon is right. How does anyone ever get anywhere with the Bush Administration? By being the more craven, obsequious, weaselly, brown-nosing toady than the next guy.