As an American citizen, I would just like to say that I support Kathy Griffin’s right to say whatever she wants, whenever she wants, in any venue she chooses. Because whatever she says, it’s always incredibly (in the words of Liz Phair) obnoxious, funny, true and mean. And it’s inevitably what I was thinking, but was afraid to say.
And there’s really not much that I’m afraid to say.
So, to coin a phrase, suck it, Bill Donohue, you little self-righteous pus-dumpling of a man. The last fucking place in the world I would ever want to live would be in an America that’s safe for the delicate and oh-so-easily-riled sensibilities of people like you and Kathryn Jean Lopez.
Thank you and good night.
*drops $1.75 in the swear jar on the way out*
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Trex!
go, TWK!! do you knnow your handle is pronounced “Touque” (ala McKenzie Bros) in Welsh?
TRex!
FunnyDiva
Off to catch up with the last thread and read this one. Back soon!
great googly zedlys!
Anybody else have a kitty who does this?
hi all
Good thing I was beverage-free as I was watching that.
And who would Jesus Do?
Renee in Ohio @ 4
Hmm. Velvet doesnt’ do that. But she demands pettings for the first half hour after i settle down with a book. Then she finds my lap and purrs until i can’t stay awake anymore. *laughs*
Renee in Ohio @ 4
my kitty believes that all internet typing should include passages typed by her through the process of her sitting on the keyboard. Facing away from me. Swishing her tail.
althespook @ 3
Heh. Hey, AK, what’s the Spooky update of the day? Is it in the last thread? Hope your dad’s having/had a good day. Renee in Ohio @ 4
Hey, Renee
Abso-fruitly. My cat does stuff like that. He also helps hold down the sewing or the knitting or the newspaper.
FunnyDiva
I like Kathy Griffin a lot.
Her act makes me uncomfortable. sometimes. she has a potty mouth. She offends me and i was offended by her speech just reported. But hey, it’s Kathy Griffin.
If you watch the show for which she won the fricking award, you know where her heart is. I’ll take her and ten more like her over Ann Black Heart Coulter any day.
BTW, she’s Catholic and she supports the troops.
FWIW Bill Donohue…..
Funnydiva2002 @ 10
dad is having tooth problems. i am having lack of sleep problems due to dad’s tooth problems. no other spooky news at this point. Was briefly worried by some options trades but we’ve sorted them out and nothing seems worrisome. (keeping tin foil hat on end of keyboard table just in case, tho…)
Stevie hits the caps lock. Son said maybe he wants me to “shout” more…
Liberty Lover @ 7
Jesus would be the straight man.
Heh.
Pus-dumpling.
I just made that up, but I think I really like it.
Okay, off to eat something, watch more episodes of “Buffy” and hit the sack.
Good night, everybody.
TRex:
No more sugar-coating – let it all out!
I’m with you.
And Glenn also seems to have something under his collar on this score:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Funnydiva2002 @ 2
take off, eh! Nope, didn’t know that nor knew what a touque was.
Reminds me of the time I bumped into a guy wearing a t-shirt that said “Try Jesus” in big gold letters on the front, and my inner lawyer took over and said, “What’s he charged with this time? uh . . . can’t we work a plea deal or something?”
Heh. Stevie must have sensed that I was typing about him, because he immediately assumed his post between me and the keyboard.
At least he sort of earns his keep by appearing on this sort of thing.
lost_nacf_gop @ 18
707!
FunnyDiva
TRex @ 15
“Jessica, send him a muffin basket.”
twȝk @ 17
Remember their Xmas song? “Five Golden Touques…and a Beer in a tree!” Whatta coupla hosers, eh?
FunnyDiva
I’m pretty devout for a dirty hippy. This is about as irreverent as I feel comfortable being.
Al, you’re not concerned by the put options? Lots of other folks, including me, are…
Pus dumpling will go into the annals……
Funnydiva2002 @ 22
“One touque over the line, sweet Jeebus, one touque over the line”
Tithonia @ 25
thank you for using two ‘n’s
Hey, lookee here. Surgin General Betrayus was telling people he wanted to run for President 3 years ago. Wasn’t that about the time he wrote the lying, cheating and stealing op-ed in the WaPo to get Bush reelected? Why yes, that would be about the same time period more or less.
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..956422.ece
I wonder if Bill Donohue is having to lay people off like Dobson’s “Focus On The Family”? (I believe it was Jon Stewart who said “if it says ‘family’, you know they’re pissed off!”)
Creepiest quote from that article:
“Parachurch organizations”? What the hell are those? Way too close to ‘paramilitary’ for my taste…
marymccurnin @ 14
lol
Paramedic, paralegal…
I can’t remember who, but some comedian did a bit once about paralegals rushing to a scene a la paramedics.
TRex @ 15
It’s awesome! And it has a kind of “Buffy” vibe to it, too.
Funnydiva2002 @ 22
heh, nope, bout all I remember was take off and hosers, eh.
These are the signs I put up today that were blue:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..e-day.html
Funnydiva2002 @ 22
“Good day, and welcome to Day Twelve!” *g*
And their movie, Strange Brew, which is even funnier when you realize it’s a reworking of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead.
That’s a good clip.
They had Bill Donohue on the local Air America station here in LA when Howie and I were driving around yesterday talking about this and it was just incredible. He said he was one of the first to call for Michael Vick to find Jesus and whether he was sincere or not in his newfound faith “was for the black ministers to judge.” He said some other really weird shit and Howie and I just looked at each other like, this guy is supposed to represent family values?
Maybe if your family’s name is Manson.
Mr. Gumbo @ 16
UC Irvine really fucked up. Erwin is a superstar. With him as dean, they could have recruited virtually anyone they wanted. Now no self-respecting scholar will go there.
burnspbesq-
Great Winwood and Clapton last thread. Thanks! Almost better (certainly more refined) than 30 years ago!
Nope, bi.
He loves everyone.
Loo Hoo. @ 38
yeah, good stuff
These are the signs I put up today that were black:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..black.html
Redshift @ 29
lol, seriously.
Loo Hoo. @ 38
You should brag about your find, Loo Hoo.
scarlet p. – you rawk.
(hope the hematuria clears soon, though)
Arrgh! Ann Coulter drives me nuts. When she made the Edwards “faggot” comment I was so enraged, I made this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQF5VlK1Itk
Need to turn in now, as I promised my husband we were going to the gym together tomorrow. Tomorrow morning…ugh.
Wanted to repost this link before I do. I hope we’re able to turn Rep. Beatty around on this payday lending bill. No way should a Democrat oppose something like this.
scarlet p. @ 34
good work :) blue is a good hue
Surgin General Betrayus HAAA!
Too funny, bmaz!
burnspbesq @ 37
UC Irvine and Pepperdine could have a koolaid drinking contest to see who is the wingnuttiest in California.
I know some thoroughly Repub people, but i still shudder at The O.C. Brand.
punaise @ 40
There is so much amazing stuff on YouTube. I find something that blows my mind almost every time I go there.
Man-Cub recommends searching on “Potter puppet pals.” He may be on to something.
Off Topic – Did anyone else see John Oliver’s interview of the Qatar ambassador on The Daily Show?
I feel like I should email him to apologize for Americans’ sense of humor, or lack thereof.
I truly hope that this was not the diplomatic disaster it appeared to be.
burnspbesq @ 37
Burns – I agree it was a royal fuckup; but my guess is that Don Bren, who literally is paying the ticket for the school, at least the whole administration and first 12 professors, is the one who pulled the plug. Still a very stupid move; but under the circumstances, he’s got the juice. If he wanted Erwin, the Regents would NOT say no; because you know, he’s paying for the freaking school.
Jane Hamsher @ 36
Seriously, people like that make me leery of christians.
do-si-do @ 49
Don’t forget about Chapman University, where they actually let Hugh Hewitt teach Constitutional Law.
“I guess hell froze over,” Griffin announced. “A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this. He had nothing to do with this. … Suck it, Jesus! This award is my god now.”
—
THAT is the offensive comment!? The Emmie awards can censor if they want. Who cares? I can see why they would want to for business reasons. But this is an excuse for a celebrity fuss? Gimme a break.
I’ve only seen Kathy Griffin on Youtube clips. What is so offensive and awful about her? My only concern is that she falls for these dworks. I heard her do a piece where she got all loopy over Matt Lauer (sp? -Today show guy) and then Anderson Cooper. Now Oscar?
Kathy Griffin is so sweet and delightful. I worry about her.
Seriously. I don’t find her offensive at all.
The donuthole guy is a fraud, or at least acts fraudulantly for upping his boxoffice value on the TV talkathons. He admitted he issues threats and all sorts of intimidating BS in order to add some showbiz pizzaz to the news shows.
And the wheel turns and their children become rebellious foul-mouth-mommy-and-daddy-haters. The next generation is getting ready to go on a rampage. Woodstock was mild compared to what’s coming down the road. My kids are very conservative compared to me. But my grandkids, now there I have hope. Tehehe! One is anti-authoritarian and the other is a dreamer.
twȝk @ 47
Love the vid, uc, love it!
I can’t believe that deflated gasbag keeps on coming back. Bitch is too kind a word.
Jane Hamsher @ 36
Why would it be for black ministers to judge? When did ministers of any color become judges? I’m thinking its for a jury to judge…or a judge to judge.
Loo Hoo. @ 48
Yeah i lol’d at that too :)
newtonusr @ 43
That was burns’ catch, newtonusr. Brought me back, though, huh?
I agree with the mainstream media’s criticism of MoveOn’s “Betray-us” ad. I don’t hold with making sophomoric puns on people’s names, nor do I approve of impugning someone’s patriotism without sufficient cause. I vastly prefer the precision and accuracy employed by Petraeus’s boss, Admiral William Fallon, then chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM) and now IIRC chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. Per http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235 :
unconventional conventionist @ 45
She should stick to her own party for weeding out … there’s Foley and Craig and McCain’s ex something or other in Florida and… and… and …
unconventional conventionist @ 45
Sorry, my #57 should have been in response to this great mooning Ann Coulter video done by uc.
Hmmm… I run out to cook a pork stir-fry and I come back and I’m epu’d and in the 50’s to boot…!!!
Strategery in actionation on the Iraqi freedomization thing:
Oil Buddies
09.13.07 — 12:40AMBy Josh Marshall
An article in tomorrow’s Times reports that the long-negotiated compromise which seemed to be leading towards an Iraqi oil law — a key ‘progress’ benchmark — has apparently collapsed. All gone down the drain.
The story though connects up with another one we told you about just a couple days ago — the decision of the Kurdistan regional government to sign an oil exploration deal with Dallas-based Hunt Oil, run by Mr. Ray L. Hunt.
The Shia and Sunni leaders believe the Kurds are opting for a sort of oil secession that puts them outside the whole concept of a law to share the country’s oil resources. And the Hunt deal is apparently the straw that broke the camel’s back, shall we say.
But remember, Hunt, in addition to being the son of legendary Texas John Birch Society extremist H.L. Hunt, is also a pal of the president’s. Indeed, President Bush has twice appointed Hunt to his Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. So while the president is striving to get the Iraqis to meet these benchmarks one of his own pals — and more importantly, political appointees — is busy helping to tear the whole thing apart.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053047.php
twȝk @ 59
Can’t take credit; another local resident at The Next Hurrah came up with it. I have fully adopted though….
Ed*ard Teller @ 57
Thanks! But sadly, I never got over the 100 moon mark.
h/t burns.
Yep. I live in that past, too. Can’t seem to move forward, and don’t really want to.
I think Hunts referred to above is from the same Hunt family that produced Bunker Hunt. Who, with his bro, tried to corner the silver market about ten years ago(or more?) and caused financial havoc. If so, also good buds and with the Bush family, no doubt.
If somebody put this stuff in a politechno-black comedy-road trip manly buddy-love thriller flick, who would believe it?
Ed*ard Teller @ 57
the umbra shot was my favorite part.
Dammit TRex — now I have to go to the barricades for Kathy Griffin!!!
I think . . . maybe . . .
Just as soon as I wake up from the coma, brought on when my outrage meter exploded . . .
Seriously . . .
Of all the gazillions of video clips on YouTube, this is my favorite
wigwam @ 61
Bob said earlier that the Betray-us nickname came from the troops after the extended tours stared.
Kahty Griffin for president.
She gets herself a law degree and I will support her for AG.
Also OK for amb to Vatican.
Probably, realistically, best we can hope for is to establish a US comedian laureate position, and she should be the first.
Book her for the next WH press dinner the WH pres corps has with Bush. She would be a good, though too long delayed, follow-up for Colbert.
I met someone today, an energy trader, and we were talking about real estate/mortgage crunch, etc. Pulled up some graphs on his three monitor set-up, various financial trend lines.
He says the sh*t is really gonna hit the fan in February 2008. That’s when the five year balloon payment / rate adjustments kick in from the extreme low point in interest rates and bond prices back in early 2003. Foreclosures in Feb. will equal the number accrued in the last six months.
IANAE (I am not an economist) so not sure I got all the terminology right… brace yourselves.
75 punaise says September 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
OK, braced.
You gettin’ your financial puns and double entendres all lined up, mister?
We may need some cheering up.
twȝk @ 73
That was supposed to be funny. Guess it didn’t work. Sigh. I really appreciate Admiral Fallon’s take on Petraeus. (Also, I as in error, Admiral Mullen is the nominee to replace Peter Pace as chairman of the joint chiefs when his term runs out.)
wesgpc @ 76
“recession” – it’s the new depression.
and you can take that to the bank.
newtonusr @ 68
I know what you mean. I really listen to the music my girls like, and just cannot go there. My most recent fav is Alanis Morriset.
kirk murphy @ 39
Wouldn’t that make him an omni?
wesgpc @ 69
Much more. Was 1979-1980. Same family. They are literally nuts. This particular one, Ray Lee, is very close to Bush. Is one of the Pioneers or Rangers (whichever is bigger) and has been appointed by Bush to two different posr on commissions; most recently the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Commission. Not that that could have anything to do with his iraq deal or anything….Oh yeah, he is also a lead trustee for Bush’s Fantastic Freedom Library and Think Tank at Hunt’s alma matter, SMU.
wigwam @ 77
well, I for one am relieved.
punaise @ 78
blockquote>
“recession” – it’s the new depression.
and you can take that to the bank.
There will be substantial penalties for early withdrawal, however.
wigwam @ 77
My bad, I’ve slow and ill-humoured last few day :)
punaise @ 75
Some economists are already saying that we are in a recession, but unsure as to the length or strength of it… brace yourself indeed.
punaise @ 78
Thanks. Wow. Glad you are always prepared. We will be in good hands.
Good economist jokes are in short supply, and some criticize them on the basis of not being funny. No financial analyst jokes to speak of. Keep safe. You will be of great service when the time comes.
Off color economists jokes would be a totally new genre. But welcome in certain quarters.
But everyone calm down. Economic theory doesn’t include widespread effects of bankruptcy messing up stuff, and speculative bubbles have been proven to be theoretically impossible. And everything has been designed to take those into account. Nothing really bad can happen. No problem. Everything will be fine. There is a theorem about it someplace. In a peer reviewed journal.
Sleep easy.
Newtonusr, don’t forget Nora Jones.
In memory of Joe Zawinul, who passed away yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
lost_nacf_gop @ 18
Hah!
What does ‘lost nacf gop’ mean?
Ben Smith at Politico, attacking Obama for not firing Zbigniew Brzezinski as his foreign policy advisor over his supportive article in Foreign Policy of Walt and Mearsheimer’s book.
Loo Hoo – Nora is pretty smooth.
But so are these guys.
I’m out. Good night, everyone. See you soon.
Do the Kurds have an oil pipeline to the sea? Perferably one that does not go through a country like Syria or Turkey with a restless Kurdish minority?
How does Hunt and Bush plan on getting their Kurdish oil? I don’t see Hunt sharing a cut big enough to satisfy the Sunni.
What I do see is a lot of promises being made by everyone to get a pipeline through their land. Then ten years later a move to nationalize the pipeline.
Yes I know Bush does not plan for the future, but what bank would be dumb enough to finnance a pipeline in the middle east after the mess Bush has made?
I wonder what Lloyds of London would charge to insure this?
Justin Raimondo weighs in on Petraus’s testimony and the lack of congressional curiosity over Petraus’s claims of Iranian and Syrian blame for his lack of progress:
Petraeus is surely cooking the books, as the MoveOn.org folks aver in their great New York Times ad – nice to see they’re (finally!) growing a pair – but this avoids the larger question: what is the administration really up to in Iraq? They’re hanging on, “buying time,” as the pundits ceaselessly report – but what do they hope to accomplish?
If you go through the Petraeus report, the key passages are those that deal with Iran. Petraeus continually points the finger at Tehran as an explanation for the lack of “progress” in Iraq. He claims to have “disrupted Shia militia extremists” – you know, the ones that sit in the Iraqi parliament – and to have captured the leaders of “Iranian-supported Special Groups, along with a senior Lebanese Hezbollah operative supporting Iran’s activities in Iraq.” Who is this operative, and what are these “Special Groups”? Apparently, they are too special to be named in testimony before Congress. The “ethno-sectarian competition,” Petraeus avers, is being pushed toward violence, in part because of “malign actions by Syria and, especially, by Iran.”
What actions? No answer is given: not that anyone is asking, at least not in the Congress or among the presidential candidates of either party.
Night burns. Thanks again for the tunes.
burnspbesq @ 89
Burns, I just saw this clip a couple of days ago. It was totally new to me. I loved it, and was so sad to read that Pastorius had died so young. Now another one.
burnspbesq @ 93
Nite, Burns!!!
new Sid:
things come undone @ 94
Could it even be built…? Pick your poison Kurdish Oil would have to traverse either Sunni, al-Anbar to SA, or, Shi’ite to Basra, or even better, ship it north to Turkey…!!! Bwhahaha… ;-)
President Petraeus?
The US commander in Iraq Gen David Petraeus expressed long-term interest in running for the US presidency when he was stationed in Baghdad three years ago according to a senior Iraqi official who knew him at that time.
Sabah Khadim, then a senior adviser and spokesman at the Iraqi Interior Ministry, says that Gen Petraeus discussed with him his long term ambition to be president when the general was head of training and recruitment of the Iraqi army in 2004-5.
“I asked him if he was planning to run in 2008 and he said ‘no, that would be too soon,” said Mr Khadim who now lives in London.
Gen Petraeus has a reputation in the US army for being a man of great ambition. If he succeeds in reversing America’s apparent failure in Iraq he would be a natural candidate for the White House in the presidential election in 2012 or beyond.
Ed*ard Teller @ 91
I’m 30 pages into the Walt-Mearsheimer book, and I don’t find much to disagree with. They are adamant that Israel has a right to exist and that the activities of “the lobby” are in keeping with American political traditions. Their main point seems to be that the results of that lobbying on behalf of Israel is not always in the best interest of American citizens and taxpayers. For example, while not holding the lobby solely responsible for the invasion of Iraq, they do go so far as to say that the invasion would never have occurred without the efforts of the lobby.
Margot @ 97
Jaco’s jaunty bass line anchors this song brilliantly – Joni Mitchell’s interpretation of Mingus’ “Dry Cleaner from Des Moines”
punaise @ 75
Maybe your friend was looking at one of these reset charts; the Zelman one that CR refers to is extracted here, though the whole report that he links to is both pretty readable and an outstanding piece of work.
I think Feb. 08’s the launch point, both in terms of the number of resets and the size of the queasily anticipated interest rate jump, but remember that foreclosure or whatever happens from there to FBs(*) is a very slow roll-out or, fly-out or whatever. We probably haven’t even felt the full extent of the damage from these first few months of resets yet. Fugly beyond words.
(*)Fucked borrower
wigwam @ 102
I’m going to buy it tomorrow or Monday when I’m in Anchorage. I’m also going to by Abe Foxman’s book and try to analyze Foxman’s takedown.
My brass quintet – two trumpets, French horn, trombone and tuba – got together again after three years of not meeting. Some new players. Hopefully, we’ll be serious and rehearse regularly. Brass Quintet is my favorite stuff to play as a performing musician.
So… the telecast will go “a lot of people come up here and thank *BLEEP* for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than *BLEEP*.”?
rofl
prostratedragon @ 104
well, the second graph crashed my browser, so I’ll take that as a sign.
That was fun, punaise! The dry cleaner from des moinse.
Loo Hoo. @ 109
not your typical pensive Joni song, but it sure is fun
punaise @ 103
How did he make his bass sound like a horn? That’s amazing.
I mean… Yeah! How dare she not be a Christian! Non-Christians are a form of hate speech.
Ed*ard Teller @ 106
Will you record it so that we can hear it. ET?
Ed*ard Teller @ 106
Mine too, when I used to play. What do you play?
punaise @ 108
707
Loo Hoo. @ 113
We’re not at all good yet. Four years ago, we recorded Victor Ewald’s 3rd Brass Quintet. I’ll see if I can get that performance up on my music site. We were fairly good then, but our 2nd trumpet got a scholarship to finish his high school at Interlochen and then went on to Mannes for college. If we get good this time, we’ll get something out.
VictorLaszlo @ 112
Dang, that’s why I’m hated, I’m Christian, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, et alia, each one enlightened man at every step…!!! 8-)
Ed*ard Teller @ 116
I love Ewald’s Quintets. Please, do put it up.
TJ @ 114
I usually play trombone – an Antoine Courtois Evolution II – in the quintet, but I play tuba in the other ensembles I’m in now.
Ed*ard Teller @ 119
My husband and I met playing in a brass quintet in college. He recently sold his trumpet, as he physically hurt when he tried to play. I still have my French Horn, but it hasn’t been out of the case in years.
On her Bravo reality show, Kathy Griffin teases her mom a lot about still going to church, asking if the priest has a cute new altar boyfriend and such. It’s clear her lapsed Catholicism is raw, and related to the pedophilia in the Church. Donohue is right to be afraid of her — she’s an eloquent, funny spokesperson about the evil she believes inhabits the Church today.
I’m sure Donohue hasn’t heard the last of Kathy Griffin — if anyone can take him down, she can. And she will, too. Just for grins.
Videos on the Mash Up from HuffPo.
Clinton, Edwards, Dodd and Obama.
TJ @ 120
My 2 cents – if you yearn to play, get that sucker out of the closet, practice some familiar stuff to get your chops back, and find a community group in which to play. Pick something worthwhile on an evening you can dedicate to being there.
The Sunni have no oil less numbers than the Shities and their patron Saudia Arabia wants America to stay forever to counter Iran has I’m sure leaned on/bribed them to support us.
When the Saudi’s close their borders to Al Quieda is when I start believing that they are not playing both sides of the board against us.
The Sunni are pawns and will turn on us just as soon as Iran is neutralized.
Wait I wish to add that I’m sure Bush has paid them also to switch sides. Which I’m sure the neocons will justify as foreign policy realism. Machiavelli though has a bit to say about Mercs ” if anyone supports his state by the arms of mercenaries, he will never stand firm or sure, ” (pg 72 the Prince)
I want Congress to ask Petraeus about the Blackwater Mercs in Iraq and the independent contractors how much they cost and how much they get paid compared to an army solder doing the same job.
Are they held to American, Iraqi or any law at all if they commit a crime?
Are we or the Iraqs keeping stats on their crimes and causality rates? Who pays them us or Iraq?
Note it is the Iraqi’s country on paper at least but do they or us keep track of, pay, and administer justice to the foreign troops and contractors in their country?
Do we? for while I’m sure we pay the mercs I’m not so sure they are subject to our or Iraqi law but since we pay then then we are responsible for them and they must obey our laws like our solders do. Or else our leaders are responsible for their actions!
I think Bush is trying to avoid warcrimes trials by ussing Blackwater for dirty jobs and claiming that the White House has no control over them.
Congress must get Petraeus to state who if anyone has judical authority over the Mercs.
Which of course its Bush who does because he pays them.
But I do want to see how far Petraeus is willing to cover Bush for possible war crimes. I want to see how far logic will be bent to provide an explantation of why the WH has no culpabilty for the actions of mercs it pays.
TJ @ 120
TJ, Howza’bout the Tijuana Brass…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDBNR-75LE
Oh 707 indeed!8}
Believe me, I haven’t been the same since I saw it back in Feb. or so.
Headline: “Kathy Griffin, Victim of Snark Attack.”
This should be the headline, at least, for the first part of this story.
The second headline should read: “Kathy Griffin, Victim of Shark Attack.”
I understand the “joke” she wss trying to make, something about the “idols” that we all worship, without even realizing that we’re all worshipping idols.
Did I offend anyone with what I just said. I hope so. How about this next statement?
Religious fundamentalist Christian evangelicals (and a lot of Catholics) worship something that is an idol, but which they know by another name: a human in utero fetus.
One thing I’m absolutely certain about is that the human fetus is NOT God. And to put it simply, anything NOT God must be an “idol” worshipped in place of God, whether it’s the human fetus, or some Emmy or Oscar statuettes…or the physical Jesus, or the physical Muhammed, or whatever or whomever.
Does this offend anyone? Everyone?
What offends me is not her saying “Suck it, Jesus,” for instance, but Bill Donohue and all his fetus-worshipping fellow orthodox Christians saying in essence, “Suck it, U.S. Constitution. Suck it, Bill of Rights. Suck it, separation of church and state.”
I was raised Catholic. I served in the U.S. military. And if there is one “idol” I worship in this world it is our democratic form of government, one nation under our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, with every U.S. citizen presumably guaranteed to the right to live free from tyranny of any sort, whether religious or secular in nature.
The U.S. Constitution is my creed, the Bill of Rights my dogma.
Oh, and if anything, humor is my God. Great posts, especially the “Try Jesus” and “Surgin General Betrayus” ones. Laughter is definitely the best medicine.
prostratedragon @ 126
that bad, huh?
prostratedragon @ 126
Feb, ‘08, shall usher in the ‘Recession/Depression’, eh? History repeats…!!! *gah*
CTuttle @ 125
Don’t have my headphones on, so can’t listen tonight, but I’ll check back tomorrow, CT. Thanks
Oracle – I’m not offended, au contraire.
TJ @ 130
Herb and the gang doing Flashdance’s ‘Maniac’…
Ed*ard Teller @ 101
Bahahaha! Didn’t his own 82nd airborne troops write that OpEd for the New York Times against the war. Maybe Bush should listen to General Petraeus’s troops on the ground and not the Generals in the rear/ safe zones? in Iraq.
Ed*ard Teller @ 95
Raimondo is always excellent. And I particularly like his first paragraph:
The fundamental question is now and always has been: “What are we trying to accomplish, and how is what we are doing going to accomplish it?” Per Fred Kaplan:
What the fuck? “We will conduct a military offensive in your country until you protect your people, deliver them basic services, and agree to be our ally.”
“The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
This Bush guy has gone barking mad, as has anyone who takes him seriously.
Kathy Griffin is sweet and adorable and good natured, and funny, and I want people to stop picking on her.
I don’t usually listen to that kind of celebrity gossipy humor stuff at all. I have no idea what she is talking about sometimes. But it is funny. Or maybe I have a crush. Whatever.
Oracle was right about Griffin’s mocking. to bad people didn;t get it.
CTuttle @ 132
I remember the first time I heard A Taste of Honey. Thought it was the coolest thing I ever heard.
things come undone @ 133
The All-American 911 Division, but sadly, 4 of the authors are KIA now…!!! 8-(
I hope people check out the F*ck*ed B*rr*w*r housing bubble glossary in the comments above. It will come in handy over then next year or so.
TJ @ 136
Heh, I almost posted it instead, I was torn…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWzmhW9Q4gA
wesgpc @ 138
The weirdest thing about the housing bubble burst, apart from the bubble being almost the only thing fueling many investment portfolios since 2002, is that as it crashes, it will bring down many of the institutions forced to foreclose on small borrowers who in regular circumstances might have kept on paying and building equity. A flight of wealth to where? Offshore? To the new ranks of super wealthy W has so foolishly created? To another planet? This is nothing short of nuts.
punaise, although I don’t know how sensible it would be for an image to crash from one site but download correctly from another, still you might try this page of real estate graphs if you don’t want to get the CS pdf file. It’s the fourth display down, “And ARMs Reset.”
The Oracle @ 127
Okay, maybe I can offend. If your constitution is so all-fired great, how come you are in the mess you are now in. HMMM?
I better sleep. 4.5 hours ’til I get up…
Sweet dreams everyone
TJ @ 143
Adieu, Ma Cheri!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 105
The New Yorker’s David Remnick has written a short, mixed review of Walt and Mearsheimer:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/…..lk_remnick
Tony Karon calls Remnick’s review “Erudite Hysteria” and writes not a review but a very interesting article on the Israel/Palestine situation and its effect on political discourse: http://tonykaron.com/2007/08/3…..d-remnick/
Karon was born and raised in South Africa and was an anti-apartheid activist until 1991, when Nelson Mandella was released. The article below has all the autobiographical information needed to account for his perspective: http://tonykaron.com/2007/07/0…..-israel-2/
A flight of wealth to where? Offshore? To the new ranks of super wealthy W has so foolishly created? To another planet? This is nothing short of nuts.
It will go down in myth and legend.
You know, many international investment funds went all out buying the securities that were based on these things. It should give rich Americans lots of scintillating cocktail chatter for the Balearics over the next couple of years.
Some tasty brass.
Purcell Canadian Brass
bmaz @ 28
hat article needs a bit more emphasis!
It says…
President Petraeus? Iraqi official recalls the day US general revealed ambition
By Patrick Cockburn
Published: 13 September 2007
The US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, expressed long-term interest in running for the US presidency when he was stationed in Baghdad, according to a senior Iraqi official who knew him at that time.
Sabah Khadim, then a senior adviser at Iraq’s Interior Ministry, says General Petraeus discussed with him his ambition when the general was head of training and recruitment of the Iraqi army in 2004-05.
“I asked him if he was planning to run in 2008 and he said, ‘No, that would be too soon’,” Mr Khadim, who now lives in London, said…
snip
~~~ModNote: The copyrights of certain material can be violated by reprinting articles in their entirity. Please use the link provided to read the entire piece. Thanks.~~~
Well, you know what the old folks say: when you run out of things to be thankful for, there’s always Truman firing MacArthur.
Of course, that’s a lot to have line up correctly twice.
Ed*ard Teller @ 140
The housing bubble is somewhere in that weird intersection of financial paper shuffling that means nothing, esoteric workings of financial markets that to some extent efficiently allocate risk, and a real economy that obviously does a lot of important things (like, provide shelter). No one understands much what is going on around that intersection, and if some one says they do, they are a liar or loopy.
Something will be seriously wrong and wasteful if a lot of real resources get wasted because of the bubble burstint (that is, life savings gone, real assets like perfectly good homes rotting in half abandoned neighborthoods.) Plans like those proposed by Paul Krugman are designed to prevent that.
I remember less than a year ago there were seminars with bigshot economists claiming there was no bubble. But you could literally see bubbles in their statistics. They would do statistics showing how all these housing prices could be explained by economic fundamentals. Yet the scatterplots of residuals which should be formless clouds would in fact be bubbles. And skeptics would ask “So, that scatter plot looks like a bubble, which markets are those points there on top of your bubble floting over that big hole in the middle? Why don’t you check? Is that one there San Diego?”
It was true cognitive dissonance.
Calculated Risk blog. Roubini blog (RGE Monitor)
they have been more right than most others.
OK, I will get off my high toned podium now.
Fern @ 147
The first movement from my 2nd Brass Quintet…
Fern @ 147
Thank you! Love Purcell trumpet. Makes this woodwinder wish he were a brass player.
wesgpc @ 138
it’s cynical yet clever
prostratedragon @ 149
He should have fired McArthur sooner. Then we might have had a better outcome in Korea. Now we half wish some of the generals were fired could have fired Dick and Dub. This is a messed up situation.
punaise @ 153
Glad you are reading it, punaise. Lots of raw material there. Now I go sleep.
later, wesgpc
He should have fired McArthur sooner. Then we might have had a better outcome in Korea.
True. But in any case, he might well have kept the peacock out of the White House.
cinnamonape @ 148
Dang, Cinnamon, even at this late hour they’re on the job!!! It doesn’t surprise me that Betray-us’s political beast didn’t rear it’s ugly head during the confirmation hearings…!!!
Well, I shall bid another fond Adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!! *g*
One more financial sort of note. I notice in some earlier threads concern about the meaning of large short positions in the stock market that cover activity over the next week. In addition to the general financial unpleasantness, these positions could relate to 1) the monthly Federal Reserve Open Market Committee (FOMC) meeting this coming Tuesday; or 2) the expiration of a lot of commercial debt paper over the next week or so (I think around $100b here in the U.S. and a similar amount in Europe).
With borrowing markets already tight, either or both of these events could break in such a way that there’s a lot of forced selling of stock. It could be that some players are positioning to take advantage of that. As an indicator of any matters outside the financial markets, I don’t think this kind of thing is sensitive or precise enough to worry about. There’s plenty else to fill that gap.
cinnamonape @ 148
I actually DID pare down the article quite a bit…note all the ellipses, Madame Moderator.
The CRITICAL PORTION of the article IMO (which you CUT OUT) is that EVERY “success” that the supporters of Petraeus attributes to him actually is a FAILURE! His “against orders” use of former Baathists in the police/military in Mosul (which kept troop deaths down) led to the take-over of that city when the 101st withdrew from the area. The police and Iraqi military either changed sides or left. Almost 100,000 automatic weapons and hundreds of armored vehicles were obtained by the insurgents. This is the same strategy that is being pursued in Anbar!!! Makes you doubt that Petraeus has learned anything from his prior fiascos?
Then there is the massive embezzlement of billions of dollars when he was in charge of the agency overseeing development projects. Ali Allawi has called this the greatest theft in Iraqi history!
This guy is another “heckuva job, Brownie” it seems. Except he is well onto his next disaster before he gets attributed with his prior mistakes. Someone left behind has to clean up after him, and takes the blame.
Sorta like the current F.U.-In-Chief…so it wouldn’t surprise me that Petraeus has ambitions for the White House.
And on a similar topic of hauling out the incompetants to run agencies that they should never be allowed to touch…here is the announcemnt that Bush is appointing Bill Frist to run the agency that provides aid money to nations that have made efforts to eradicate CORRUPTION!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..iSF4qyFz4D
yo
Pretty testy here this morning.
We’re all using “pus-dumplings” for fuel…
Many of us have been arrested both in our past and more recently standing up against illegal and immoral wars. Our nation was built on people practicing civil disobedience.
Even though our MSM shows us very little footage of what is really taking place in Iraq and for the Iraqi refugees. We know from reports and photos taken by people like Robert Fisk, and reports from compassionate human beings like Peggy Gish of the Christian Peace Maker team who was in Iraq for four years what is really taking place in Iraq for the Iraqi people.
We know that one million Iraqi people are dead due to our nations push for sanctions, (who knows how many Iraqi people died during the 91 Iraq invasion) another million dead due to the pre-emptive invasion in 2003. We also know that 2 million are displaced internally, and 2 million are refugees. We know that our invasion has created and enviroment for a genocide to take place (I believe this is exactly what the neo-cons wanted)
We know that the Vietnam war was fought in a very big way for resources (tin, rubber,). We know that the Iraqi people have died due to the U.S. and Israels need to access Iraqi oil ( defined as our National security).
What I don’t know is how long it will take for us to put our asses on the line and get arrested again and again until we get our Reps to do everything they can to get the young soldiers who have been kidnapped by the Bush administration… home. Many of these young people have never been more than several hours away from their own homes and actually believed they were serving their country instead of special interest.
While there have been arrest across the nation both before and after the invasion. It is time for collective civil disobedience in much larger numbers across the nation.
These insane warmongers need to be stopped, we know Iran and Syria are next on their list.
cinnamonape @ 162
So you put in charge of this organization a corrupt resigned Republican leader who passed legislation that favored his family HMO, and who quit because he knew he would face constant queries about his shady dealings during the campaign
Much of that funding going to his OWN “Faith-based” AID’s organization that then used a half-million dollars of that to pay off political cronies hired as “consultants”.
And his solution to the AID’s epidemic? Abstinence and prayer.
So I guess the missing half-million wasn’t actually going to actual health care resources…so likely it was no great loss to any REAL HIV prevention programs.
Makes you wonder if Frist is going to have any credibility when he tells these kleptocrats that they have to end corruption…or maybe he is going to use the position to make a few back-channel deals of his own?
Grrr. 56 and cloudy here in parched Blue Ridge GA and my well seems to have been pumped dry by a faulty toilet…
This is not a good morning so far.
Mornin’, gang -
Looks like everybody is sleeping late today. Finally! a little rain late yesterday and a bit more right now. Nowhere near enough but, hey, at this point, I’ll take every drop we can get.
Sittin’ here wondering what scarborough’s reputation was when in politics b/c he sure does seem to have a very vicious streak that becomes more and more noticeable……not to mention being a total *sshole. Oh, and now he’s b*tching about MoveOn getting a discount on its ad space. :-(
Hi, MR. Bill -
So sorry to hear about your well problems…….been there, done that and in the mountains where cost = depth needed to drill a new one goes thru the roof. Sorry to be crowing about rain but we haven’t seen any since mid-August.
Hey, what’s an Iraq Spin Week without Kevin Bergner?!? You just knew he was gonna get in on the action sooner or later!
Dude was just working in the White Hose PR Dept a few months ago, and now he’s another “General on the ground” that we’re supposed to listen to. They’ve been trotting out this “bombs of Iranian origin” for a while now, without any proof offered, and in fact it’s even been debunked in the past when they’ve done this. Pathetic Conglomerate Media!
Good morning, pups. In the NYT today TOMC has a thing on Frederick of Hollywood called “Sleepwalking in September.” Mr. Cohen’s column is titled “The Ottoman Swede,” and he says that distinct peoples forced together into a dictatorial state will react by trying to get free of each other.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are hot out of the oven. It’s almost Friday — hang in there — we’ll make it! Have a good day.
Waccamaw @ 169
OOps ..As Chris Matthews said last night “the ad did not kill anybody”
Wonder if we will hear any reports on Dobbs, Scarborough, Matthews, Olbermann about the 2 young soldiers who were part of the Team of 7 who wrote the op-ed piece in the New York Times about their experience in Iraq who were killed on Monday. They have not touched it yet.
Too much to report about Brittany Spears..the important issues.
Marion in Savannah @ 171
spent three weeks in 1979 riding a bike around Savannah…what a charming place. Well except for the entrenched racism.
We will make it, but it is another thing for the Iraqi people
MR. Bill @ 168
Hate when that happens scream…breathe..count your blessings. You could live in Iraq and be trying to find a ride into Syria due to the Bush administrations invasion.
Good morning!
Marion in Savannah @ 171
Per joe, george will dumped on freddie big time……along with some other reich wingers…….not that I plan on going to find out what great pearls of wisdom were dispensed.
Hiya, Kathleen -
You were saying? Oh…..OK….see the rest of it. Did you actually hear him say that too or just going by what I said yesterday? Still not sure my ears were working correctly. If it *did* happen, he certainly did it sotto voice as compared to the gush festival over laura logan. Blerrrrrrrgh!
Waccamaw @ 177
Heard him say it. wrote it down as he said it.
Good Morning!
Kathleen -
Wow! See it made as much of an impression on you as it did on me; and glad I don’t need to make an appointment with an audiologist…….or whoever it is that checks that sorta thing. Tweety is such a twit – wish he would choose one tack?tact and stick to it – both on the same day and in general.
Hi, Elliott -
What’s happening in your neck of the woods?
Morning Waccamaw, it’s downright chilly here, my cats are all kindsa cuddly this morning. Fall is moving in. But it’s good sleepin’ weather!
how ’bout you?
good morning, Elliott and Waccamaw, and all pups.
Good Morning!
Elliott @ 181
Well, like I said, we did get a little rain……and the temps have moved down enough to keep the a/c from running almost constantly.
The best news is that supposedly my first SS check was desposited yesterday. Think I’ll go to the big city and drop a few $$$ at the Fresh Market. Marion would approve. *g*
ok, somebody go wake up scarecrow
gonna be a long day, me can noah sleep with everythng that happened and there are no blogs up anwhere to discuss
so somebody go wake up teh scarecrow
Good morning everyone. IRT to Kathy Griffin. She appeared at a nearby c*sino. Sold out rather quickly. And that’s rare. By the time I knew she was coming, it was too late to get tickets.
[Mod: edited to clear filters]
aha
I see my favorite posters are up already…along with me
g’morning evah bahda!
look at us…we are firedog jumkies and there is still no fix…it’s 1/4 till 8 already!
we got a fevah! (there is a cow bell playing in my head)
perris @ 185
What is it that you want to discuss?
well, it does look like I am talking to myself
gonna shut up for a while
*sulks*
Waccamaw @ 184
Ahh, sounds like some good eating tonight!!
And surely your check was deposited, the gov’t wouldn’t mess that up! ;)
and perris, why wait for Scarecrow, what’s on the top of your list this morning?
perris @ 189
No, speak up and
no sulking!
solai @ 188
list coming
Elliott @ 191
yayyyy!
let’s see
1) that the military does NOT respect patreaus
2) that patreaus clearly lied all day even though he had a moment of candor
3) that the “new” plan is “keep what we are doing for at least ten years”
4) THAT CONGRESS HAS NOT JAILED THOSE THAT DEFY SUBPOENA
and a few other items
Let’s have it, perris :)
BANG! BANG! BANG!
Scarecrow, get your butt outta bed and come feed the pups some meat. We’re DFHs and we’re hungry.
Don’t know if that’ll help……..but it was worth a try. *g*
egregious @ 194
that’s a great idea by the way
it be nice if I could see everyone’s list of discussion they’d like to see addressed today
#4 is what’s upsetting me a great deal. I need to believe that the dems are on our side and when they capitulate like that….well, I feel hopeless.
solai @ 197
man I thought that was going to be the watershed
jail them for contempt of congress and let the preisdent try to get them out of jail
that WAS the watershed moment and congress cowered
Thursday to do list:
Restore Constitutional democracy
Reinstate Geneva Conventions
Make phone calls
Get my forest sanity walk
It’s a full day.
egregious @ 199
all good topics for leads to be sure…except I imagine you would like some privacy on that walk
perris @ 198
and there is the reason congress has record low approval too;
“when the president trashed the rule of law, did congress rise to protect the sanctity of our government?
no, they cowered…this is NOT why America voted these idiots in office, WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK and they BETTER start doing their job or they will have enjoyed their stay in office for one term too many
perris @ 197
Congress is cowering all over the place!
thanks for writing out my list perris ;)
Elliott @ 201
Elliot, what’s on your plate today?
oops, typed too fast, I meant to say;
Elliott, what’s on your list to say
I have a cousin who spells the name differant then you do and I keep spelling yours wrong
sorry
by the way, a new thread is up and there is no zed yet
see everyone upstairs
Kathleen @ 173
Now be fair Kathleen, that ad did harm some people’s feelings and done at an inappropriate time! –:-]
New post upstairs!
Christy’s got the good stuff in the morning thread:
A Few Carrots
I’m bummed about Petraeus, I can’t believe the wholesale capitulation all ’round.
and I made the mistake of watching some of that hearing about Consumer Product safety. If you thought the Feds were on the case, let me tell you, they are NOT.
The head of that agency, Nancy Nord is a flake. and so is Sen. Brownback, too, but we knew that.
Hey TRex, thanks for the Liz Phair reference/lyrics link; I was never sure if the words “unpure, unchaste” were those words, or a denial, “I’m pure, I’m chaste,” that she then undermined (granted, with every other word of the song), for a nice sharp contrast (”Every time I see your face, I think of things / I’m pure, I’m chaste / I want to fuck you like a dog, I’ll take you home and make you like it”).
In fact, I may continue to think of it as unresolved; I think both versions work, just in different ways…
they’re going to cut Griffin’s acceptance speech from the Emmys… many people thank God; she said He had nothing to do with it… too funny… and if you can say the one, why no the other? hypocritical and puritanical…
bonkers @ 170
That’s strange. Yahoo seemed to have changed the link. Kevin Bergner and his favorite bedtime story.