It’s “gimme more FUs day.” I’m going to try and liveblog as much of the Petraeus/Crocker Dog and Pony Show and WH-Written Talking Points as I can. Do try to restrain yourself on comments to be kind to the servers and your liveblogger. Thanks!
Today, I’m featuring this lovely photo (via CNN) of WH/GOP message man Ed Gillespie to give him some public credit for manufacturing both the Petraeus and Crocker public talking points and the GOP-caucus strategic coordination as well. Via Open Left:
As if this is not obvious already.
Another new arrival in the West Wing set up a rapid-response PR unit hard-wired into Petraeus’s shop. Ed Gillespie, the new presidential counselor, organized daily conference calls at 7:45 a.m. and again late in the afternoon between the White House, the Pentagon, the State Department, and the U.S. Embassy and military in Baghdad to map out ways of selling the surge.
From the start of the Bush plan, the White House communications office had been blitzing an e-mail list of as many as 5,000 journalists, lawmakers, lobbyists, conservative bloggers, military groups and others with talking points or rebuttals of criticism. Between Jan. 10 and last week, the office put out 94 such documents in various categories — “Myths/Facts” or “Setting the Record Straight” to take issue with negative news articles, and “In Case You Missed It” to distribute positive articles or speeches. (emphasis mine)
Dodge and phony show indeed. This is the WHIG strategy…again.
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SEN. NELSON QUESTIONS: Asks Crocker if there is any chance for political reconcilation without accord between Sunnis and Shi’ites. No. What is the potential for that sort of reconcilation during the next 16 months of the Bush Administration’s tenure? Crocker can’t say. Is the Anbar success because of the fact that the political reconciliation question is not there since it is an all Sunni province? Crocker says yes and no. Uses Diala (sp?) province as example of mixed province where there has been political reconciliation. With Petraeus saying that there would be a draw down back to the prior number of 130,000 troops, there would be only four months left in the Bush Administration — indicating that this would result in a hand-off of the problem to the next President. What does Crocker think of that? Crocker says he can’t really comment on that. You ahve been having discussions with the Iranian Amb., do you have any optimism with regard to Iran that gives us any indication that they do not want to take full advantage in Iraq to the detriment of the US interests? Crocker says that the discussions have not resulted in any visible improvement in Iranian actions — I’m not saying this isn’t worth pursuing, but we may see results in the future. Are you concerned as you talk with Iran that Iran is going to be behind a Hezbollah-like insurgency in Iraq? Crocker says that they are already involved in that type of process. [CHS notes: Is it too much to ask that Democratic Senators don't parrot GOP talking points?]
Biden recognizes a former committee staffer who has been working in Iraq for 29 months. 5 minute break.
SEN. MURKOWSKI QUESTIONS: Gosh, your testimony is important and swell. [Am paraphrasing here.] What you are saying sounds identical to what the Bush Administration has been saying all along — that our forces will draw down as the Iraqi forces stand up. Is this the same policy — that we are entirely reliant on the Iraqis making progress, otherwise we cannot reduce our own forces? Is that what you are saying? Petraeus ducks the question and says that we are moving our forces around — talking about some success in Fallujah, as an example, of thinning out forces in one area to move them to another area where they are more needed. Any draw down is clearly conditions based — but we are trying to push the conditions as fast as we can without resulting in failure. Says that too much of a push in 2006 resulted in a collapse. Goes back to defend himself against what Boxer said about his prior rosy scenario evaluations. Murkowski wants to know about the civilian side of things. Says that Gen. Odierno told her that this segment of the puzzle had not been effective. Points to Crocker — you seem satisfied with this, yet we look at the economy which is performing under potential. Is the civilian surge adequate to support the military surge? Asks if Petraeus has enough support on the civilian side. Petraeus says they would like to have more — agriculture, health and some others, are quite thin.
SEN. OBAMA QUESTIONS: Performance of our troops has been outstanding, and we thank them for their service. Also, both of you are doing the best that you can given an extraordinarily difficult situation. The mission that has been given to you is what is at issue inthe Senate — the question is one of strategy, not of tactics. Every time you have been asked a question of broader strategy, you’ve punted a little bit. But because, as Sen. Feingold pointed out, we do not have limitless resources, we have to assess our priorities — the costs as well as benefits — to pursuing a particular strategy. I think we should not have had this discussion on 9/11 — because it perpetuates the notion that what happened with Iraq somehow had something to do with what happened on 9/11. This isn’t to relitigate going into Iraq, but it is to sugest that had the American public and Congress understood then that after devoting $1 trillion dollars (optimistically what this will cost), thousands of American lives, the creation of an environment where al qaeda in Iraq could operate (because it didn’t exist there prior to our invasion), that we have increased terrorist recruitment around the world, that Iran has been strengthened, that Bin Laden and al qaeda are stronger now than at any time since 2001, that Iraqi reconstruction and their standard of living would continue to be lower than it was pre-invasion — if that had been the deal, msot people would have said that this was not a good deal. That this does not serve American strategic interests.
We have set the bar so low — that now we have only slightly less tolerable levels of violence than we did in 2006 — and it is not okay. What we are faced with now is how to make the best out of a horrible situation where we have bad options and worse options. This is not a criticism of either of you — but of the Bush Administration, whose policies ahve put us in this situation in the first place. How can we, in a bi-partisan way, best move this forward — the Bush Administration is not helping matters by dismissing criticisms.
The improvement, if at all, has been very modest. The movement in Anbar has nothing to do with the surge, it’s political. What we haven’t seen, most significantly, is any improvement in the political reconcilation question. We need to be clear and on the record with this, because it is in this context that we have to ask questions today. Back to the stand down when they stand up. Asks Petraeus about the counter-insurgency manual that he wrote — counter-insurgency will not work if the government doesn’t exhibit a will on par with ours. Crocker, you said that the patience of the American public is not limitless, but that seems to be exactly what you are asking for here today. What is the point where we say enough? If we are there a year from now, can you explain to me any set of circumstances, scenario, set of benchmarks where you might make a different recommendation? Crocker goes back to the Sununu response from earlier — says Iraq is ethno-sectarian competition for power and resources, and that we are hoping they will move more to a political arena and not to a violent one. Need to capitalize on political viability as security elements stablize, assuming they do.
SEN. DeMINT QUESTIONS: Most of us would agree that when we went into Iraq, we got a lot more than we bargained for — our military and political leaders should be shamed by their lack of foresight and thought on the worst case scenarios that we have seen. There is not a process that can sustain a government and/or secure society. Nevertheless, we are there. Our only other choice is to disgrace our choice and dishonor our fallen troops and leave. The fact that you are here today talking about tiny successes is a cause for celebration in my mind. In my mind, the only relevent question is where we go from here. Your statement that you want to draw down troop levels to the pre-surge level is welcome, and the Crocker assessments that things may get better are heartening. My question to both of you is this: is there any reasonable expectation for any viable, long-term peace in Iraq, if the conditions in Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia remain the same?
Crocker says this is a great question, because Iraq is in a rough neighborhood and that complicates the political questions considerably. Iran has been a malign actor in Iraq, but there are limits on what Iran can do. Iran is not an Arab state — and there are limits and a long history of conflict between the two. Mentioned in testimony that the Saudis are re-opening their embassy in Baghdad. Jordan has made some positive statements. There are still reservations, more they can do, but moving in a positive direction. Syria is more problematic. They’ve hosted close to a million refugees, but have still allowed suicide bombers and other bad actors to cross their border.
Petraeus says that you can’t win in Iraq just with Iraq. Syria needs to tighten its airport security — foreign fighters who come through there and through the borders. We believe there may be some training camps over there, still trying to develop intelligence on this and questions about the accuracy on this. Ethno-sectarian violence is clearly stoked by outside actors. Gets back to Iranian and Lebanese Hezbollah Dept. 2800 — capture some months ago of the heads of so-called special groups affiliated with al-Sadr. That makes the situation in Iraq more difficult than it ought to be — the militia munitions do, in fact, come from Iran.
Am going to start a fresh thread…



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zed? whoa!
thx for live blogging, much appreciated
Christy!
ping
pong
zed once.
dos twice today
Yes Christy. Thanks so much for the liveblogging.
Civilian surge…
Probably these people have more pressing concerns ….
Like running for their lives…
Pet keeps referring to the sectarian violence in 2006. Who bombed the Golden Mosque? Bushco has always claimed that it was AQ. Pet is suggesting it was sectarian violence. Which is it??? Somebody is lying, and I don’t think it is Pet.
Obama on…
Let’s see what he can do here…
Oh no, Obama is campaigning. Is there a question in here? Or just a soundbite?
Obama upset this hearing is on 9-11 or even near 9-11!!
Obama’s good: Don’t link the Iraq war to 9/11. You’re doing that by holding these hearings on 9/11.
Jo Fish @ 10
There’s a thin/fine line here. Let’s see what he does though.
He’s speeching not questioning
Perris..Next Stop Iran! If Americans do not get off of their complacent asses and get out on the streets, lobby, e-mail, phone calls to counter what A*P*C has been doing for years pushig for pre-emptive strikes on Iran.
Oh wait a minute thats what we (millions) did before the invasion of Iraq.
Still worth the try. I guess.
Did Judy Miller really date Petraeus?
ah…finally, “set the bar so low, that modest levels of success are considered major success” (paraphrased).
Can none of these folks say “ass”? Grow up.
Kathleen @ 15
good grief – did this woman date everyone in DC?
Elliott @ 14
Boxer did that too. Not really a bad use of their time, since the answers are predictable and dishonest.
Jo Fish @ 10
Sounds like electioneering to me!
BTW, if you don’t think these hearings should be occurring on 9/11 or just prior or just after, maybe they should have looked at the calender when they set the date for Petraeus report to Congress. If you set a 9/15 deadline for the report, you should foresee that this would happen.
Obama points out that Anbar progress has nothing to do with The Surge…
limited success of Surge – not worth the price, however.
Kathleen @ 15
They were close friends. It is widely known that Judith Miller is not just usually “close friends” with powerful men.
obama rocking my world right now…
Yep. Obama’s campaigning…
Kathleen @ 15
. So I hear, and in the eyes of sixteen year olds today, “dating” means far more than it did in my youth. She’s a whore, both sexually and politically.
Twain @ 17
Yeah, the shorter list would be, who in the Beltway didn’t JudyJudyJudy ‘date’?
I just read Glenn Greenwald’s piece on Petraeus’ appearance on Fox News with Brit Hume. I would like a question: You say you come here as an independent, objective source of facts on the ground in Iraq. How is it then that last night you spent an hour on Fox News, a conservative mouthpiece of this Administration? How can anyone believe in your objectivity after that?
How long will this take ?
and at what do we say “Enough!” ? -Obama
Richmond @ 24
And if this is true of Judy, Judy, what does it say about Betrayus. Hint: the same thing.
Apparently in 2003 Judy Miller was embedded with some military group trying to find WMDs in Iraq and that’s where she got to know Petraeus….
Gawd, it’s such a small world, huh?….
Biodun @ 23
as a battered citizen, I just so enjoy and am thirsting for anyone to validate my reality……..
(September 11, 2007) — WASHINGTON — Rep. Jim Walsh, in a dramatic break with the White House, returned Monday from a trip to Iraq saying it’s time to bring troops home and stop funding the war.
http://www.democratandchronicl…../709110353
Shorter Obama: Iraq peace purchased at the cost of US casualties.
Shorter PetRayUs: (looks down.)
Shorter Chimpenfeurher: Money trumps peace, sometimes.
Shorter Crocker: eh, erm, uh, uh, a competition, eh, uh, levels…linkages, (oh fuck it!)
So I hear, and in the eyes of sixteen year olds today, “dating” means far more than it did in my youth. She’s a whore, both sexually and politically.
And if this is true of Judy, Judy, what does it say about Betrayus. Hint: the same thing.
Vitter up now. Trifecta.
LurkingMod: Please delete my comment @ 33. My bad.
Cozumel @ 32
great news, another crosses over
As MoDo said in her now-famous column on Judith Miller: “She has a tropism toward powerful men.”
petwrecker @ 30
Excellent, Pet
DeMint – isn’t this one of they guys who got shot at, then crowed about how things were so much “safer” in Iraq?
From his questioning, he certainly *seems* stupid enough to have been able to do that.
edit – “Mr. Ambassador, could you please give us a reason to attack Iran? Thanks you.”
Demint- interesting. “premature democracy”. WTF? Ah, the “dishonor our fallen troops” meme. So, it’s better to have more men and women die.
What a Patriot Act.
I may have missed it but has anyone brought up the Iraq Study Group recommenation for a Middle east conference on Iraq (that Ziggy Brezinski) suggessted many years ago?
If political reconciliation is what they say that they are ’supposedly” after then when are the Iraqi leaders, American Imperialist, and the leaders of Syria, Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia going to sit down under one roof and discuss the situation in Iraq?
When are our Reps going to start pushing for this conferece?
deminted offering more koolaid for everyone.
Personally, I am glad to hear and see the Democratic Senators chewing on these liars backsides. It makes me feel like someone is pushing back against their crap. JMO. Thanks Christy for liveblogging! :)
DeMint is loving Petraeus! I think he wants a date. Petraeus might take him up on it. Crocker certainly wants a part of this.
DeMint ain’t too bright — that is for sure. he’s my senator — ick.
so now they are trying to blame all their failure on Iran
this is bizzare
DeMint. Some name that. You can put it in Kool-Aid.
Shorter Crocker: I’m so smart, just listen to my vocabulary.
We are turning a new, new, new page?
kdh22 @ 38
;~p he’s still chirping away…Demint is falling asleep!
perris @ 46
predictable……Prolly on Darth Cheneys orders
There goes Crocker. He’ll be coming up with twisted phrasing shortly…
Cozumel @ 32
Holy Toledo – The Walsh Family Legacy from Syracuse has changed his mind? Wouldn’t have anything to do with the march and rally in Syracuse on the 29th featuring the Iraq Vets Against the War from Fort Drum, now would it? Or did he finally wake up to the fact that Maffei(I think that’s the guy) is closing in on him and he’s going to lose his seat if he doesn’t start listening to his constituents?
Crocker: Iran can have very limited influence on Iraq, because of their vast differences.
Good, because now that Crocker has said that on the record, it can be used to throw back in Bush’s face when they try to say that we can’t leave Iraq because Iran will move in.
Ah, the Irani malign actor. Crocker giving a geography lesson to DeMint. I’ll bet up until now, DeMint thought that Iranis were just Ay-Rabs with Attitude and Atomix.
Crocker is not stupid, just servile. He ought to ask My-Lai Powell how that works out for one in the long run.
Demint finally got around to ask a question about whether “our goals” will be met in Iraq.
Crocker goes off on Iran and fails to mention Saudi Arabia.
Petraeus: Remember Syria is evil too.
Biodun @ 52
I hope he speaks better Arabic than English. If not, that could explain a lot about the goings-on over in the ME.
ethno-sectarian…What bullsh*t…
Lebanese Dept 2800… what we’re chasing Phone Phreakers in Iraq (PPII).
Menendez…D-NJ
Iran Iran Iran..they are going to use this report to drum up support for an attack on Iran.
When will they ask for verifiable proof to back up these claims about Iran?
Mossad in Iran…would put money on this.
Let’s give our troops a policy worthy of their sacrifices.
Can one distinguish “legitimate” Iraqi forces from others?
Hugh @ 61
Yeah, long lives with their families and dying of old age in their beds (or having sex).
Hey Floridians
Wouldn’t you rather have this Menendez than the one you have? [I almost went Rumsfeldian there for a second]
At the request of Christy Hardin Smith, please severely limit the one-liners, shoutouts, and off topic remarks. It’s making things difficult for her.
Thanks folks.
Kathleen @ 15
Next thing I know, you’ll be telling me she used to date Hollywood Fred too.
[MOD: please stay on topic during liveblogging, thanks]
Petraeus says he’s not recommending continuing the surge…
Menendez not letting Petraeus bloviate. We are enabling a power struggle in Iraq not securing the country.
Brings up that Petraeus is ending the surge at the same time it has to end anyway.
Biodun @ 67
Really???
Jo Fish @ 54
Did Crocker ever have a reputation to begin with? Powell at least had one(which he promptly flushed down the toilet).
ooh – Menendez nails it – July 2008 puts us back to where we were in Feb 2007, as far as the number of troops, right?
Must have watched KO last night.
Or stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
Holy Shit, Steney Hoyer on Ed Schulz is saying that he believes Betrayus to be telling the truth as he sees it. Hoyer cites Thomas Friedman in this regard. He has got to go. What a jerk. He s such a Isr*eli-con, and bringing all those new Democrats to Isr*el so they could get the “real picture” of events in the M.E. makes me want to puke. Disgusting.
Who are the Iraqis fighting and dying with??
Who is killing the Iraqi army in such great numbers???
This is key.
Rushing to failure… well, that’s taken what, four and a half years?
B-tray-us says don’t believe my charts, just my words… unless I’m talking then believe my charts.
I’m as frustrated as anyone else! -Petraeus
Anyone who doesn’t think President Ahmadinejad (President Imadamnutjob) doesn’t need immediate removal by force and hospitalization for Holocaust Denial and Outright Fascism needs to examine their level of foreign policy knowledge and history.
Betrayus got his hackles up…I’m as frustrated as anyone…3 years…and my family knows sacrifice as much as anyone.
Is Petraeus trying to limit his comments and responsibility to the surge only, against the overblown build up that Bush has advertised? I feel like he’s trying to stop the discussion of troop levels at the point the troop levels return to pre-surge.
Can’t predict, I don’t know. Not what Bush advertised, not what he promised the country from this guy, and I think Petraeus wasn’t prepared.
Mendenez was awesome!
Menendez questions the readiness of Iraqi troops.
Petraeus left saying that he doesn’t know when Iraqi troops will be ready. He only has a conceptual plan. Lame.
Petraeus just got beat up.
Isakson R-GA
LS @ 76
Sounds like it’s time for him to get on the Osama Martyr Caravan Express.
Wow – Menendez calling “bullshit!”
Isakson – never mind that guy, we all love you gp.
Isakson is an authoritarian loving talking points puppet. I can’t stand listening to him
IsAkson
WMDs….
Faulty intelligence….
Components of WMDs?…….
Somebody needs to call this guy on this….
Shiny objects?
zennurse @ 78
I think so. His mission is to design and implement the execution of that narrow mission. For a minute there, I got the impression he might wish he could take Boxer’s advice, and leave his post. He’s frustrated, but trying to do his “job”.
Isakson –> faulty WMD intel, everyone thought it was true. [No mention that we supplied the intel, it was never shown to anyone with real oversight in our government.] Iraq: It’s not our fault. No, really. Everything is rosy. I get to have lunch with Beloved Leader now.
When Marcy wrote that article (over at the Next Hurrah) calling Petraeus the new Judy Miller I wonder if she knew they had “dated”.
Now all I can see is Judy Miller sitting behind Petraeus.
Over at Weekly standard articles about Move on add, both Kagans turning up the heat for staying. Just wish these warmongers would suit up and put their own asses (or encourage their children) on the line for their wars.
something terribly arrogant and immoral about these lilly white assed chickenhawks
Isakson: overwatching…(instead of overseeing)
LS @ 77
Uhh, no, Betrayus, you’re still breathing and of sound body. So, no, your family does not know of the sacrifice like anyone. By anyone, I mean the families of the fallen.
Steny adds “General Petraus is a person of integrity and skill, and I think everyone knows this” (or close to that).
Richmond @ 72
You know how Stephen Colbert says “I don’t see race, I’m color-blind”?
I don’t see party anymore. I don’t see the R’s and D’s, just the votes. Votes on bills speak louder than words.
Time for a break. Republican suckup. Iraqi forces operating on their own.
OK, how many can operate on their own? How many units? How many troops? For very short missions or for long periods of time? Gee, where are the charts and graphs on this?
Jo Fish @ 88
And that’s a freakin’ crock too! Russia, Italy and France thought our intel was cooked
Punted a little bit?
How about ducked, dodged, weaved, hid under the bed, and all but rolled up in a fetal position?
LS @ 86
He could leave any time he wants. Shinseki did it, and other Flag Officers have too. If Petraeus was interested in getting the truth out, he’d stand up and speak it, damn the consequences.
It’s not like he’s gonna get a fifth star.
Again, the Iraqis have lost a lot of leaders in combat.
Combat with whom? Who are they fighting? Other Iraqis? Iraqis who are resisting the occupation?
Can’t just be AQ.
I wonder whether “ethno-sectarian” will make urban dictionary…
sp raw story has a reporter that says bagdahd is 100 times worse then a year ago
we need to get our critters this information
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0910.html
“Verbal bullets more penetrating than the real ones…”???
Can we drop this guy on a street in Baghdad?
Okay….
Can’t take much of this effort in frustration any more….
Time to switch the channel and watch Stewart (& Colbert)….
See ya!…..
Richmond @ 73
The I-lobby rolled over Murtha and made sure Hoyer got the spot. No I-lobby here.
Hoyer wants Iran
Hugh @ 93
Yep, just pressed the mute button.
That’s a war forever, don’t confuse me with truth, face-saving, I love a uniform, Republican suckup.
raw story has yet another frightening lead up right now
I’d bet you anything, if the occupation ended, the resisters would stop fighting, and the Iraqi army would not be fighting.
This whole thing is nuts and illogical. Like I said yesterday. Bush is the ruler of Iraq. He is the Decider of what happens in Iraq. Iraq is a U.S. colony from which the oil companies will steal their resources. It is that simple. It is the 51st state.
Cozumel @ 95
They think by repeating that “everyone thought the intel was true” that will make it so. There were so many people questioning the Intel the list is too long to mention. Scott Ritter, El Baradei, Kofi Anan, Flynt Leverett, Cia analyst, Remember that documentary that Move on put out before the invasion with all of the retired CIA analyst questioning the intel?
Millions marched against the invasion based on what we were hearing from these experts.
Isakson is a liar!
Kathleen @ 103
I hope Schultz told Hoyer where to go. Gave him a real education.
TPM is reporting on a Newsweek article about a Pentagon report due early 08 which will call for a rapid draw-down of troops, also says Fallon wants a faster draw down. Look forward to hearing more about this.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/052834.php
This hearing will adjourn soon. These guys have to testify again (at another committee) at 2 PM ET.
Isakson…what an asshole. Petraeus was asked “Questions that can be more penetrating than real bullets”….
Too bad our nearly 4000 dead soldiers weren’t shot with penetrating questions.
zennurse @ 109
Petraeus was asked about Fallon yesterday, and he tried to say that he had no inkling that Fallon was thinking that way.
I smell rebellion…..yes!!! Bush may try to can Fallon on hearing about that.
LS @ 87
Has anyone in the Senate asked Petraeus about his shameful appearance on Faux Noise last night?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 107
Nope. And Hoyer’s talking point was of course, we just don’t have the votes.
Kathleen @ 106
I probably wouldn’t clear the mod with what I think Isakson likely said about “marchers”. YOu’re so right, but we were just a bunch of nothing as far as they were concerned. Kind of like adults in a Charlie Brown Cartoon, chirp, chirp, chirp.
Sen Vitter: do they have pamper and hookers in Iraq?
they are using their failure in Iraq as their tool to double down in Iran
“if we leave Iraq it will look like Iran”…as if Iran is anyhwere near as bad as Iraq
news flash patraous;
if Iraq looked like Iran that is a GOOD thing
it’s incredible, it’s like;
“well, I just lost 1000 dollars on that 1000 to one long shot…that didn’t work and I think it’s becuase the 10,000 to one long shot was right next to the 1000 to one long shot
the proper solution here is for me to take the 10,000 to one bet
that will make it all work our great
LS @ 111
Yeah, that’s interesting. Petraeus made it sound (to me) as though Fallon was in the loop and on board, etc etc.
Vitter…
Kathleen @ 107
shorter kathleen
“nobody thought the intel was true, everyone knew it was manufacutred”
Millions marched against the invasion based on what we were hearing from these experts.
Isakson is a liar!
Vitter trying to make dissent a crime when hiring prostitutes REALLY is.
What a toady pervert.
There’s a bill on the floor regarding the moveon.org ad? Are you kidding me???
And brought to you by the creators of Swiftboat…sheesh
Vitter speaking of cushions…(makes me think of “the oldest profession”…)
LS @ 112
The Joint Chiefs and even Fallon the Centcom commander have areas of responsibility that extend beyond Iraq. Petraeus has most of the military’s marbles tied down in Iraq and he doesn’t want to give them up. This is creating tensions but as long as Bush backs Petraeus all those resources are going to stay in the Iraq quagmire.
Kathleen @ 103
Maxine Waters was one of the ones that voted for Hoyer and backed him on national TV. There were quite a few others. I haven’t forgiven any of them yet.
I sure wish Murtha was on one of the committees yesterday. Would have been so much more interesting to watch!
perris @ 101
i watched that clip. the guy is supposed to be an Iraqi. he has an Irish accent …… wierd. i wonder if he studied in Ireland.
Biodun @ 119
Vitter…
fill in your own joke.
Vitter – “General, why can’t we keep this wonderful Surge going for-evah?”
Petraeus – “because we don’t have the troops, asshat”.
LizDexic @ 122
He’s taking a moral stance. Bloody hysterical.
Shorter NYTImes from today:
“ooo look at all those stripes! lookit the shiny stars! Democrats lost!”
(bring on the Michael Gordon “news analysis”)
new thread
Petraeus: we have to draw down the surge because of the strain on the Army and Marines…to maintain it would require extraordinary measures.
Where is that Middle east Conference on the situation in Iraq? When will our reps push for this? If they want “political reconciliation” get on it. Push for bringing Iran, Syria, U.S. Imperialist, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, Israel along with the Iraqi government under one roof/tent/sky.
Send in General Wesley Clark, General Zinni, Zbigniew Brezinski, Flynt Leverett along with Condi Rice to negotiate with Iran…get on with it.
If you want to learn more about past negotiations or lack of with Iran go on over to New America Foundation and read what Flynt Leverett has to say. So much there.
Flynt quit the Bush administration just before the invasion, because he disagreed with the Bush administrations war policies.
Biodun @ 124
*g*
Biodun @ 23
I’ve got no problem with that. Congress is not going to get anything out of them anyway, so the Dems might as well use their free air time to dress the bastards down. It’s what the thugs would do in their place. Stop thinking that the hearings are anything except politics. The only way we will leave Iraq is defeated. And that defeat is coming.