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	<title>Comments on: The Petraeus/Crocker Show, Day 2, Part III</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/the-petraeuscrocker-show-day-2-part-iii/#comment-960732</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-958927&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;perris @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-958923&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 73&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The dems DON’T have the votes to end the war&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this isn’t true rwcole&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we don’t need to overcome a veto, the president has to approve a budget we submit&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;when he vetoes that budget we submit it again&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we do not give him the money for his war and bing, no veto matters one bit we get what we elected our politicians to do&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that “we don’t have the votes” is bullshit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After the last couple of days it appears Congressional Dems are considering just that. I suppose they’ll do surveys, polls and check with focus groups and their therapists and then we’ll find out whether they are gonna do it. Should take a few days of kvetching and a few days of tea leaf reading or chicken bone reading (if you’re one of those kind).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-958927"><em>perris @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-958923"><em>rwcole @ 73</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The dems DON’T have the votes to end the war</p>
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<p>this isn’t true rwcole<br />
…</p>
<p>we don’t need to overcome a veto, the president has to approve a budget we submit</p>
<p>when he vetoes that budget we submit it again</p>
<p>we do not give him the money for his war and bing, no veto matters one bit we get what we elected our politicians to do</p>
<p>that “we don’t have the votes” is bullshit</p>
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<p>After the last couple of days it appears Congressional Dems are considering just that. I suppose they’ll do surveys, polls and check with focus groups and their therapists and then we’ll find out whether they are gonna do it. Should take a few days of kvetching and a few days of tea leaf reading or chicken bone reading (if you’re one of those kind).</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/the-petraeuscrocker-show-day-2-part-iii/#comment-960728</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-958871&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 26&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
BTW…have been watching the MSNBC all day coverage of 9/11 as it happened…Andrea Mitchell’s reporting of who might be to blame has been non-stop OBL…right from the get go.  They showed pictures of OBL, and I guarantee you that the OBL in these videotapes we’ve been seeing in the media, is not the same person.  None of the facial features match even remotely.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somebody ought to do a screen grab and put them side-by-side on a website where the world can do an easy comparison. Oughta be good for a laugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Besides, the intelligence community hasn’t yet said they’ve verified the identity (or tape authenticity, if you will). Why bother looking at something that hasn’t been verified yet?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-958871"><em>LS @ 26</em></a></p>
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BTW…have been watching the MSNBC all day coverage of 9/11 as it happened…Andrea Mitchell’s reporting of who might be to blame has been non-stop OBL…right from the get go.  They showed pictures of OBL, and I guarantee you that the OBL in these videotapes we’ve been seeing in the media, is not the same person.  None of the facial features match even remotely.</p>
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<p>Somebody ought to do a screen grab and put them side-by-side on a website where the world can do an easy comparison. Oughta be good for a laugh.</p>
<p>Besides, the intelligence community hasn’t yet said they’ve verified the identity (or tape authenticity, if you will). Why bother looking at something that hasn’t been verified yet?</p>
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		<title>By: croatoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>croatoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would you buy a used war from this man?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you buy a used war from this man?</p>
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		<title>By: jc inOR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/the-petraeuscrocker-show-day-2-part-iii/#comment-959037</link>
		<dc:creator>jc inOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-959032&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jo Fish @ 172&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-959021&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 168&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s remember that Petraeus once dated Judith Miller….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really? He was a Warrant Officer?  lol… ;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He couldn’t say or else&lt;br /&gt;
he warrant an officer and a gentleman.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-959032"><em>Jo Fish @ 172</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-959021"><em>Biodun @ 168</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Let’s remember that Petraeus once dated Judith Miller….</p>
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<p>Really? He was a Warrant Officer?  lol… ;)</p>
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<p>He couldn’t say or else<br />
he warrant an officer and a gentleman.</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;new thread…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread…</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-959021&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 168&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s remember that Petraeus once dated Judith Miller….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really? He was a Warrant Officer?  lol… ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-959021"><em>Biodun @ 168</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Let’s remember that Petraeus once dated Judith Miller….</p>
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<p>Really? He was a Warrant Officer?  lol… ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/the-petraeuscrocker-show-day-2-part-iv/&quot;&gt;new thread&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/the-petraeuscrocker-show-day-2-part-iv/">new thread</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perris…NEXT STOP IRAN if Americans do not get off their complacent asses and get out on the streets, e-mail, make phone calls, lobby in the tens of millions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh wait a minute thats what we did before the invasion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still worth the try&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perris…NEXT STOP IRAN if Americans do not get off their complacent asses and get out on the streets, e-mail, make phone calls, lobby in the tens of millions.</p>
<p>Oh wait a minute thats what we did before the invasion.</p>
<p>Still worth the try</p>
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		<title>By: jc inOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>jc inOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-958991&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 140&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-958974&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jc inOR @ 124&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Per my Rep., Pete DeFazio, that since there are not the votes for impeachment, let alone conviction, Congress is going to get accountability through contempt proceedings and resort to the courts.  I emailed back asking him how that was working for him.  He’s an awfully good guy, it seems, but I don’t know if he has an answer to that.  I suggested maybe Pelosi could resign as Speaker, and maybe she could get some clout back as Rahm and Stimpy show took center stage and proceed to take the party lower in public esteem.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They didn’t have the votes to start with during the pre-impeachment investigation of Richard Nixon, but 4 months later Nixon was gone.  The “we don’t have the votes” argument is a sham, a lame, whiny excuse to do nothing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ya know, I keep telling me that, but these Repubs feets is set in concrete with a whole bunch of Dems that are just itching for voting for the next Reichstag resolution.  I don’t think we can count on them doing anything.  Someone has got to tell grampa Harry to go take a nap, then start leaking the dirt and hitting the airwaves.   Per my man, Pete, again, though, you got to recognize Congress is complicit in the war.  They voted for the Use of Force resolution NOT because they believed the intelligence, but because they WANTED a war.  Its that tawdry.  How ya going to get a fair hearing there?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-958991"><em>Hugh @ 140</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-958974"><em>jc inOR @ 124</em></a></p>
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Per my Rep., Pete DeFazio, that since there are not the votes for impeachment, let alone conviction, Congress is going to get accountability through contempt proceedings and resort to the courts.  I emailed back asking him how that was working for him.  He’s an awfully good guy, it seems, but I don’t know if he has an answer to that.  I suggested maybe Pelosi could resign as Speaker, and maybe she could get some clout back as Rahm and Stimpy show took center stage and proceed to take the party lower in public esteem.</p>
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<p>They didn’t have the votes to start with during the pre-impeachment investigation of Richard Nixon, but 4 months later Nixon was gone.  The “we don’t have the votes” argument is a sham, a lame, whiny excuse to do nothing.</p>
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<p>Ya know, I keep telling me that, but these Repubs feets is set in concrete with a whole bunch of Dems that are just itching for voting for the next Reichstag resolution.  I don’t think we can count on them doing anything.  Someone has got to tell grampa Harry to go take a nap, then start leaking the dirt and hitting the airwaves.   Per my man, Pete, again, though, you got to recognize Congress is complicit in the war.  They voted for the Use of Force resolution NOT because they believed the intelligence, but because they WANTED a war.  Its that tawdry.  How ya going to get a fair hearing there?</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/the-petraeuscrocker-show-day-2-part-iii/#comment-959021</link>
		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let’s remember that Petraeus once dated Judith Miller….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s remember that Petraeus once dated Judith Miller….</p>
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