Comments on: Pretending You’ll End the War http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:55:16 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: SanderO http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960892 SanderO Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:31:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960892 <p>DemocracyNow! did a taker down on Petraeus this AM</p> <p>And now are onto the missing $9 Billion</p> <p>Listen to it and your blood will boil.</p> DemocracyNow! did a taker down on Petraeus this AM

And now are onto the missing $9 Billion

Listen to it and your blood will boil.

]]> By: Ed Kunin http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960833 Ed Kunin Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:34:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960833 <p>Wavering @ 134</p> <p>What are you wavering about? I agree with your analysis but I don’t see either man getting his party’s nomination. What then?</p> Wavering @ 134

What are you wavering about? I agree with your analysis but I don’t see either man getting his party’s nomination. What then?

]]> By: Wavering http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960636 Wavering Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:06:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960636 <p>I’m a registered Democrat who donates to this site. I state that up front because I don’t want anyone to think I’m a troll. I agree with the comments that we need to get out of this war. I support Kucinich, but am now actively supporting Ron Paul. He wants the troops out now, wants the Patriot Act rescinded and doesn’t support USA being in any war unless we are directly attacked. GOP and mainstream media seem to be actively trying to disrupt his candidacy (see FOX GOP debate). Something to consider if the dems continue in this vane. I disagree with many of his domestic issues positions but, to me, they take a backseat to the war issues. I know I’ll get slammed for this..my first post…but, whatever. Peace.</p> I’m a registered Democrat who donates to this site. I state that up front because I don’t want anyone to think I’m a troll. I agree with the comments that we need to get out of this war. I support Kucinich, but am now actively supporting Ron Paul. He wants the troops out now, wants the Patriot Act rescinded and doesn’t support USA being in any war unless we are directly attacked. GOP and mainstream media seem to be actively trying to disrupt his candidacy (see FOX GOP debate). Something to consider if the dems continue in this vane. I disagree with many of his domestic issues positions but, to me, they take a backseat to the war issues. I know I’ll get slammed for this..my first post…but, whatever. Peace.

]]> By: larue http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960121 larue Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:18:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960121 <p><a href="#comment-959528"><em>Voting Present @ 122</em></a></p> <blockquote><p> . . . It almost makes me dread the end of the war, when all these mercenaries will be coming back home.</p></blockquote> <p>That’s a valid, and MAJOR fear I fear. And will be part of the instability that will plague our nation as we begin to splinter more and more.</p> Voting Present @ 122

. . . It almost makes me dread the end of the war, when all these mercenaries will be coming back home.

That’s a valid, and MAJOR fear I fear. And will be part of the instability that will plague our nation as we begin to splinter more and more.

]]> By: larue http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960113 larue Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:14:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960113 <p><a href="#comment-959499"><em>RonD @ 107</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-959490"><em>twolf1 @ 98</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>…so they can get ready to invade Iran.</p></blockquote> <p>This is the reason.</p> <p><a href="http://nothoughtcontrol.blogspot.com/2007/07/nightmare-scenario-part-2.html">The Nightmare Scenario, Part 2</a>.</p></blockquote> <p>That was a great read a while back when I first saw it posted by yourself. </p> <p>I wonder if the domestic crackdowns will come that late in your scenerio, though . . . methinks they will come MUCH earlier . . . </p> <p>Here’s hoping none of it happens . .</p> RonD @ 107

twolf1 @ 98

…so they can get ready to invade Iran.

This is the reason.

The Nightmare Scenario, Part 2.

That was a great read a while back when I first saw it posted by yourself.

I wonder if the domestic crackdowns will come that late in your scenerio, though . . . methinks they will come MUCH earlier . . .

Here’s hoping none of it happens . .

]]> By: Ed Kunin http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960099 Ed Kunin Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:10:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-960099 <p><a href="#comment-959484"><em>Cufford @ 95</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>I would think that it would be obvious by now that the majority of elected so-called representatives of the people, are anything but representative of the people’s wishes.</p> </blockquote> <p>Interesting point filled with the contradictions of our time. OK representative democracy doesn’t work in that it doesn’t represent. If the overwhelming majority of voters want out of Iraq, it should be easy to field a third party. The Dems clearly are not the party of immediate withdrawal, at least not the front runners who think the nation generally is too nationalistic to “accept” defeat at this time. On the other hand the prospect of progressives, the left or whatever you call us deciding on a single candidate is slim to none. The Dems have lots wrong with them but so do we.</p> Cufford @ 95

I would think that it would be obvious by now that the majority of elected so-called representatives of the people, are anything but representative of the people’s wishes.

Interesting point filled with the contradictions of our time. OK representative democracy doesn’t work in that it doesn’t represent. If the overwhelming majority of voters want out of Iraq, it should be easy to field a third party. The Dems clearly are not the party of immediate withdrawal, at least not the front runners who think the nation generally is too nationalistic to “accept” defeat at this time. On the other hand the prospect of progressives, the left or whatever you call us deciding on a single candidate is slim to none. The Dems have lots wrong with them but so do we.

]]> By: Donald Cormac http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959968 Donald Cormac Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:55:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959968 <p>“Only Bill Richardson has pledged to remove all troops …”</p> <p>Respectfully, not so. In one word - Kucinich. (:></p> “Only Bill Richardson has pledged to remove all troops …”

Respectfully, not so. In one word – Kucinich. (:>

]]> By: Enoch Root http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959836 Enoch Root Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:28:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959836 <p>Democrats.</p> <p>Are.</p> <p>Part.</p> <p>Of.</p> <p>The.</p> <p>Empire.</p> <p>Too.</p> <p>Get it?</p> Democrats.

Are.

Part.

Of.

The.

Empire.

Too.

Get it?

]]> By: Richard H. Davis http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959816 Richard H. Davis Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:13:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959816 <p>Two things:<br /> 1. My belief is that regardless of what Congress does, Bush will keep 130,000 troops in Iraq until the day he leaves office. It was little noted that his veto statement of the withdrawal bill which the Democrats passed six months ago called any restriction on his power as commander-in-chief as unconstitutional. He will ignore Congress, and, if necessary, the Courts.</p> <p>2. If we can only withdraw about 15 brigades a year, it will take at least two years to withdraw 130,000 troops from the day Hillary takes office. And perhaps we should have long-term bases in Kurdistan and Al Anbar. I would like to see these issues discussed before the election so that there won’t be any surprises, but I’m not sure how that could happen.</p> Two things:
1. My belief is that regardless of what Congress does, Bush will keep 130,000 troops in Iraq until the day he leaves office. It was little noted that his veto statement of the withdrawal bill which the Democrats passed six months ago called any restriction on his power as commander-in-chief as unconstitutional. He will ignore Congress, and, if necessary, the Courts.

2. If we can only withdraw about 15 brigades a year, it will take at least two years to withdraw 130,000 troops from the day Hillary takes office. And perhaps we should have long-term bases in Kurdistan and Al Anbar. I would like to see these issues discussed before the election so that there won’t be any surprises, but I’m not sure how that could happen.

]]> By: James Guglielmino http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959769 James Guglielmino Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:50:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/11/pretending-youll-end-the-war/#comment-959769 <p>NO,no. Juan Cole has it right. shrub and his minions are playing this perfectly. If the Democrats pull out the troops there will be fighting that will cause oil prices to go even higher than they are now and perhaps result in other economic woes here. The result will be that the Republicans will win a bunch in 2010 and the (presumably) Democratic president will be one term. shrub has us and the Democrats by the short hairs.<br /> Gug</p> NO,no. Juan Cole has it right. shrub and his minions are playing this perfectly. If the Democrats pull out the troops there will be fighting that will cause oil prices to go even higher than they are now and perhaps result in other economic woes here. The result will be that the Republicans will win a bunch in 2010 and the (presumably) Democratic president will be one term. shrub has us and the Democrats by the short hairs.
Gug

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