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Welcome Rick, we are glad you are here to talk with us.

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Thanks so much for being here today, Rick. We appreciate you coming on and talking with our community. People have been really excited about your race and the possibility of beating John Cornyn so we’re excited to have you.

Call me anything you want but are you going to end the war is my question?

egregious @ 4

Welcome Rick, we are glad you are here to talk with us.

Good to be here

Rick

Rush and Tony Snow had a conversation a couple of hours ago where Rush described Bin Laden as the voice of the “Democrat” party and Snow just chuckled along. I’m sick of this BS and hope someone stands up to it.

Jane Hamsher @ 6

Thanks so much for being here today, Rick. We appreciate you coming on and talking with our community. People have been really excited about your race and the possibility of beating John Cornyn so we’re excited to have you.

Thank you

Tough break for you, Mr. Noriega. You are up against this fascinating display of bologna in the House committee room. Still I wish you luck in your campaign.

Still though what triggered that outburst?

As a leader of the Draft Rick Noriega movement, I’m excited that you stepped up.

Netroots activists encouraged you to take on this tough task because we know you can take out Cornyn, Bush’s lap dog and apologist.

Good to see you again, Rick. Thanks for the statement. Our community is eager to find out what was behind the remarks comparing dedicated progressives concerned with the political evolution of the country to the likes of multimillionaire propagandists on Hate Talk Radio.

things come undone @ 7

Call me anything you want but are you going to end the war is my question?

This is the number one issue our campaign is talking about…ending the war.

I wish you success in Texas. I have many in my family who live and vote in the Lone Star State.

Our community is eager to find out what was behind the remarks comparing dedicated progressives concerned with the political evolution of the country to the likes of multimillionaire propagandists on Hate Talk Radio.

Me too..your one Arkansas supporter.

howieklein @ 14

Good to see you again, Rick. Thanks for the statement. Our community is eager to find out what was behind the remarks comparing dedicated progressives concerned with the political evolution of the country to the lieks of multimillionaire propagandists on Hate Talk Radio.

My intent was to challenge the MSM to not get sucked into the “wedge issue” political coverage when we need in depth coverage on issues and real debates etc. Unfortunately there was a line in my prepared remarks that made a wrong contrast and I take responsibility for reading that… no excuses. It was harmful to some of my strongest supporters and for that Mi Culpa. It was never my intent.

Your speech to the Democracy for Texas group last week was great in how you laid out your opposition to the war in Iraq.. To have active duty folks delivering this message about what’s happening to military families, our country and the people of Irag is just the kind of messenger who can penetrate in Texas.

let’s take Texas back from the wingnuts!

I don’t live in Texas but have friends there. I will pay attention … and make sure THEY do.

Shouldn’t the newspaper be corrected for those not online?

Can we suspend the no name-calling rule for Cornyn? I don’t understand Texas politics. I don’t get how the same state could give us Ann Richards and then, next, you know, as Governor. But just from his post, I like this guy. Can we ask questions?

If so here are mine:
Ted Kennedy said yesterday on Bob Schieffer’s program that he’s going to do whatever it takes to begin bringing troops home from Iraq. He would not, however, answer Schieffer’s question as to whether that included filibustering appropriations bills. Will you filibuster a bill to appropriate more money for the Iraq war? Or is asking this of a would be Freshman Senator unrealistic? Too Mr. Smith Goes to Washington-ish?

Can we have a little background type stuff?

Rick, welcome.

So you do approve of the way the people in the Draft Rick movement are representing you on the blogosphere? They carry a pretty big virtual hammer sometimes.

Where is the line of which you spoke.

Thanks.

Glen Maxey @ 13

As a leader of the Draft Rick Noriega movement, I’m excited that you stepped up.

Netroots activists encouraged you to take on this tough task because we know you can take out Cornyn, Bush’s lap dog and apologist.

the netroots has been behind our success thus far and it will be the key to beating Cornyn in November.

I for one accept your explanation and your apology, and wish you well in your fight.

Hi Rick.
Last time you were here, I brought up the new highways in Texas, and you responded by mentioning that the Valley needed a new highway because of new ports. You mentioned some ports in Mexico. Since then, the trucking from Mexico has commenced. I have read somewhere that the Mexican ports will somehow affect the jobs of longshoremen in the U.S. My question is 2-fold:

1. Please fill us in on what is going on with the Mexican Ports, i.e., how many and where, and will it affect tariffs?

2. How will cargo arriving in Mexican ports be adequately screened for radiological content, as well as any other dangerous materials?

Thanks.

Rick

boadicea made available your full comments,
in context, of course, but I would be interested in knowing, specifically, to whom you were referring. Could you please clarify that?

IMO, this article is somewhat better about the quote and includes an explanation and a quote from Boadicea as well:
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor…..21267.html

Hello Rick, Thanks for coming by and for your clarification.

There seems to be two schools of thought on getting out of Iraq. Those who favor a “prudent and responsible” pull out, and those who want out now. Where do you situate on this issue?

Welcome sir,

Please, whatever you do, when you get to Washington, don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

Too many good people seem to get their heads all spun around once they get there.

I personally consider our current situation a crisis of monumental proportions. Equal in a lot of ways to our own Civil War.

But unfortunately, this time around, we don’t seem to have the right leadership to guide us through this. I welcome the introduction to some new voices to our government in hopes that we finally get the leadership our democracy so desperately needs.

Thanks!

Good luck, we need cronies like Cornyn out of politics forever.
And the last few weeks have been veddy ,veddy good to us with the retirement of some really odius politicians.
Keep up the good fight.

ccmask @ 22

Shouldn’t the newspaper be corected for those not online?

They pulled out a line that unfortunately attacks our strength in this campaign which is our netroots, people powered, campaign. I suspect that it won’t be the last time but we Texans take it on the chin, get up and ask our fellow supporters to get up with us so that we can beat Cornyn.

By the way, anyone wanting to show appreciation and support to Rick for his service and his forthrightness, Blue America is open for business. Imagine defeating Cornyn!!

Greetings Rick – Thank you for sharing this time with us. And, thank you for setting the record straight. Will there be a retraction or statement in the San Antonio Express News?

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Rick Noriega live blogging on Daily Kos from Yearly Kos

Thanks for being here Mr. Noreiga, I wish you much success in your race.
My question is , are you going to be one of the Senators that agrees hook line and sinker with those in the majority or are you going to think for yourself and act accordingly.
Saying what you believe and answering directly make a bigger impression on me that the typical dance around the issue we see by the majority of Pols.

rick @ 15

things come undone @ 7

Call me anything you want but are you going to end the war is my question?

This is the number one issue our campaign is talking about…ending the war.

My first direct answer to a question from a politican….and he agrees with me? I , I, I feel faint.
Forget my 2nd question friends cut each other slack!
What are your 3 biggest priorites for Texas and for America!

It was really just one sentence in the speech that allowed itself to be pulled out of context. The overall speech made your intent clear. It may have been sloppy speech writing BUT you get major kudos for standing up and taking responsibility for a mistake! That takes strength of character and leadership, something sadly lacking in most politics today!

Thank you.

My intent was to challenge the MSM to not get sucked into the “wedge issue” political coverage when we need in depth coverage on issues and real debates etc. Unfortunately there was a line in my prepared remarks that made a wrong contrast and I take responsibility for reading that… no excuses. It was harmful to some of my strongest supporters and for that Mi Culpa. It was never my intent.

Wow. That statement was such a breath of fresh air. No blaming the reporter for “out of context” quotes. Just simple, “Hey, I F-ed up. Came out wrong and I’m on your side.” Refreshing in today’s politics, although still confused on where that came from.

Mr. Noriega, If you were on the Committee that is asking Gen. Petraeus questions today, most of which has been bland and uninspired questioning by the Dems, what would you be asking?

Go get ‘em, Rick.

Thanks for making the effort to visit with us Rick.

And I appreciate both your “owning up” to those reported statements, and more importantly, to unequivocally rejecting the idea that the progressive blogosphere is practicing the politics of hate, fear and division.

For the last 30 years, it has been the Republicans have made use of those very political practices to the detriment of our country.

Standing up and fighting those Republican “values” is in fact, honorable and more importantly, patriotic.

We see our duty, and we are doing it. Glad to see you’re willing to serve in the frontlines too!

QuakerGirl @ 35

Greetings Rick – Thank you for sharing this time with us. And, thank you for setting the record straight. Will there be a retraction or statement in the San Antonio Express News?

The writer of this article hit Rick’s opponent in the Democratic Primary hard a week ago. I think RG Ratcliffe was looking for something “to show he’s and equal opportunity” gotcha reporter.

There’s a lot of facts and chronology missed in his reporting… and of a comment 5 or six weeks ago almost?

Thanks for apologizing. It’s all too infrequent today.

Lord knows I’ve said my share of stupid things, so I understand how it can happen. Many of us have been begging candidates to take on the relationship between what they report and the right wing noise machine. I appreciate the effort, but it still does hurt when someone who has gotten a lot of support from the netroots devalues us. Apologizing is what friends do and you have.

rick @ 18

howieklein @ 14

Good to see you again, Rick. Thanks for the statement. Our community is eager to find out what was behind the remarks comparing dedicated progressives concerned with the political evolution of the country to the lieks of multimillionaire propagandists on Hate Talk Radio.

My intent was to challenge the MSM to not get sucked into the “wedge issue” political coverage when we need in depth coverage on issues and real debates etc. Unfortunately there was a line in my prepared remarks that made a wrong contrast and I take responsibility for reading that… no excuses. It was harmful to some of my strongest supporters and for that Mi Culpa. It was never my intent.

David W. Bartoo @ 28

Rick

boadicea made available your full comments,
in context, of course, but I would be interested in knowing, specifically, to whom you were referring. Could you please clarify that?

This was a poor attempt to try to be balanced and draw a contrast. However it came out like comparing apples to wheat…not even the same food group. However I am the candidate and I have to lead by example when we make a screw up… I take full responsibility as your candidate.

TXsharon @ 36

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Ha! Picture didn’t com through. You can see it here

OT:

The Senate is expected to take up the 2008 transportation appropriations bill soon. And as early as this evening, Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-ND, will introduce an amendment that would block funding for Bush’s illegal Mexican Truck pilot program.

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hi rick.

QuakerGirl @ 35

Greetings Rick – Thank you for sharing this time with us. And, thank you for setting the record straight. Will there be a retraction or statement in the San Antonio Express News?

I am not aware of any at this time. I suspect that because there was negative coverage of my primary opponent this is the MSM’s attempt to be “fair and balance.” My real regret is that it was harmful to our campaigns strongest supporters.

Mod help please if you could my comment at @38 the boxes got messed up.
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tw3k @ 48

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hi rick.

hello

Rick, it is good to see you and Glen here. I am quite excited about your candidacy and the prospect of canning Cornyn!

Rick,

I appreciate the fact that you are willing to speak with us, and as I have family in Texas, I truly welcome your courage in doing so. However something prompted your statement and you will forgive me, I hope, for holding your feet to the fire just a little bit in expecting some direct answer. I repeat, did you have specific bloggers in mind?

rick @ 49

QuakerGirl @ 35

Greetings Rick – Thank you for sharing this time with us. And, thank you for setting the record straight. Will there be a retraction or statement in the San Antonio Express News?

I am not aware of any at this time. I suspect that because there was negative coverage of my primary opponent this is the MSM’s attempt to be “fair and balance.” My real regret is that it was harmful to our campaigns strongest supporters.

Does your campaign have a blog or a website? That would be a good venue by which to communicate with bloggers. Perhaps even have a weekly live blog session or other venue by which to invite bloggers and readers to engage with you….(edited to correct mixup with blockquote)

darclay @ 37

Thanks for being here Mr. Noreiga, I wish you much success in your race.
My question is , are you going to be one of the Senators that agrees hook line and sinker with those in the majority or are you going to think for yourself and act accordingly.
Saying what you believe and answering directly make a bigger impression on me that the typical dance around the issue we see by the majority of Pols.

My voting record and hopefully my actions (Ardmore Ok)will demonstrate my sincerity to represent ALL Texans and not just those in the white house.

The Netroots for Noriega set out to get 800 donations this quarter. We’re only about 45 shy of hitting that goal today, with three full weeks to go.

Would be awesome if FDL and Blue America folks put us over the top TODAY!!!!!!!!!

http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08

I do not equate the democratic influence of citizen journalists in the blogosphere fighting for their country with the corporate right-wing noise machine, and I do not believe the progressive blogosphere is participating in this form of wedge politics.

Unfortunately, we are chatting today because you have actually endorsed this false equivalency in front of a powerful audience.

You do grave damage to your greatest allies when you undermine the progressive blogosphere.

Do you intend to rectify your mistake by taking proactive steps in Texas to encourage general public awareness of all of the positive things that the progressive blogosphere is doing to encourage citizens to become more involved in our participatory democracy?

If so, I believe that you can transform this unfortunate situation into an opportunity to strengthen both your own campaign and the progressive blogosphere in Texas.

And, thanks to the help we’ve received from many of you all, we’re just 77 contributors shy of our goal-800 small dollar contributors to keep the Noriega Express on the tracks, and headed for Junior John Cornyn.

As one of the early adopters of the Draft Rick Noriega movement, I know that Rick is the real deal, and if we can continue to count on y’all to have his back, we can count on him to have ours.

My comments devalued the blogosphere, and I apologize.

i gotta say, i’m pretty impressed by this statement. if you follow up with your actions, you will have my enthusiastic support.

archpundit @ 44

Thanks for apologizing. It’s all too infrequent today.

Taking responsibility for a mistake is unheard of in politics these days. We need those kind of character traits in our leaders.

A Texas blogger here -

I don’t know if this has already been said, but Rick was on a conference call this morning with a bunch of Texas bloggers and we left that call letting him know we are all behind him 100%!

It is refreshing to hear a simple, “I made a mistake.”

The Texas blogosphere would like to see this make the netroots stronger and more effective with our candidates – and with Rick in particular.

David W. Bartoo @ 53

Rick,

I appreciate the fact that you are willing to speak with us, and as I have family in Texas, I truly welcome your courage in doing so. However something prompted your statement and you will forgive me, I hope, for holding your feet to the fire just a little bit in expecting some direct answer. I repeat, did you have specific bloggers in mind?

David:
The reality is that I rolled into Austin late the night before and read a prepared speech that I received as I walked into the hall. However, like I said no excuses. Ultimately as the candidate I’ve got to take responsibility. My fault.

One of the things I believe is important for our campaign is to stand up when we messed up. I am constantly learning about my strongest ally.

Will you pledge to run a positive primary campaign (i.e. no attack ads against Watts)?

rick @ 62

David W. Bartoo @ 53

Rick,

I appreciate the fact that you are willing to speak with us, and as I have family in Texas, I truly welcome your courage in doing so. However something prompted your statement and you will forgive me, I hope, for holding your feet to the fire just a little bit in expecting some direct answer. I repeat, did you have specific bloggers in mind?

David:
The reality is that I rolled into Austin late the night before and read a prepared speech that I received as I walked into the hall. However, like I said no excuses. Ultimately as the candidate I’ve got to take responsibility. My fault.

One of the things I believe is important for our campaign is to stand up when we messed up. I am constantly learning about my strongest ally.

Do the prepared remarks reflect the sentiments of your speechwriter? If so, do you intend to keep said speechwriter on your staff?

Glen Maxey @ 56

The Netroots for Noriega set out to get 800 donations this quarter. We’re only about 45 shy of hitting that goal today, with three full weeks to go.

Would be awesome if FDL and Blue America folks put us over the top TODAY!!!!!!!!!

http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08

Wow, that’s even closer than I thought. (Glen’s the database guy. So he’d be the one with the numbers.)

Hitting our target today with Blue America would be very exciting!

It’s encouraging to see this type of interaction, between candidates and activists, happening from the grass roots level, and therefore no surprise that you’re in line with the priorities of the progressive blogosphere to end the war and get health care, and preserve the integrity of the internet so we can continue to break through the MSM deception.

JimmyJack — You want to disclose your ties, if any, to the Watts campaign up front?

*xyz @ 57

I do not equate the democratic influence of citizen journalists in the blogosphere fighting for their country with the corporate right-wing noise machine, and I do not believe the progressive blogosphere is participating in this form of wedge politics.

Unfortunately, we are chatting today because you have actually endorsed this false equivalency in front of a powerful audience.

You do grave damage to your greatest allies when you undermine the progressive blogosphere.

Do you intend to rectify your mistake by taking proactive steps in Texas to encourage general public awareness of all of the positive things that the progressive blogosphere is doing to encourage citizens to become more involved in our participatory democracy?

If so, I believe that you can transform this unfortunate situation into an opportunity to strengthen both your own campaign and the progressive blogosphere in Texas.

i hope rick answers your question, because this will really be the way rick can show he means what he said so well today.

Sure, I have no ties to Watt’s campaign (or any campaign) at all.

*xyz @ 57

I do not equate the democratic influence of citizen journalists in the blogosphere fighting for their country with the corporate right-wing noise machine, and I do not believe the progressive blogosphere is participating in this form of wedge politics.

Unfortunately, we are chatting today because you have actually endorsed this false equivalency in front of a powerful audience.

You do grave damage to your greatest allies when you undermine the progressive blogosphere.

Do you intend to rectify your mistake by taking proactive steps in Texas to encourage general public awareness of all of the positive things that the progressive blogosphere is doing to encourage citizens to become more involved in our participatory democracy?

If so, I believe that you can transform this unfortunate situation into an opportunity to strengthen both your own campaign and the progressive blogosphere in Texas.

1. Got it.

2. I believe our Texas blogs will show the strength of our campaign and our momentum. We plan to use this misstep as an opportunity to build our campaign. The TX netroots will be the tip of the spear when we win this election. Folks will understand that this vehicle will transform our State.

JimmyJack @ 63

Will you pledge to run a positive primary campaign (i.e. no attack ads against Watts)?

Everyone in Texas agrees we need to take out Cornyn. I think you’ll see both of these candidates staying on that frame and that message.

Rick will be the nominee because you can feel it at events and rallies, and bbq’s everywhere he goes. Right bio. Right legislative record. And the right values.

*xyz @ 57

Unfortunately, we are chatting today because you have actually endorsed this false equivalency in front of a powerful audience.

You do grave damage to your greatest allies when you undermine the progressive blogosphere.

Do you intend to rectify your mistake by taking proactive steps in Texas to encourage general public awareness of all of the positive things that the progressive blogosphere is doing to encourage citizens to become more involved in our participatory democracy?

As a friend and supporter of Rep. Noriega and Melissa, I can honestly say that they have always been supportive of progressive bloggers. As much as we cheer them on when they are at work, they have always appreciated the Texas and Houston bloggers.

JimmyJack at 69 — Thanks, every time a comment like that pops up, that always becomes a question. Thought we’d get it out of the way up front. Appreciate it.

JimmyJack @ 63

Will you pledge to run a positive primary campaign (i.e. no attack ads against Watts)?

Whats wrong with attacks if they are true? Its not like Rick is going to spread rumors like Bush did about John McCain fathering an African American child.
Chicago Way! Rick they send one of yours to the hospital you send 10 of them to the morgue. (sorry if I messed up the Sean Connery quote)

Gotta say I appreciate the apology and clear taking of responsibility.

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

Thank you Rick for responding directly to my question. I fully appreciate your honesty in apologizing but humbly suggest that ‘pre-prepared’ victuals are not always healthy, and in politicky, a lack of precision can have serious consequences (even lethal) for others.
Best wishes for your political success and I shall lobby my Texas-based family in your behalf.

Phil Lovegren @ 66

It’s encouraging to see this type of interaction, between candidates and activists, happening from the grass roots level, and therefore no surprise that you’re in line with the priorities of the progressive blogosphere to end the war and get health care, and preserve the integrity of the internet so we can continue to break through the MSM deception.

Hopefully, periodically, we can do this. It helps me to be a better candidate and US Senator from the great State of TX.

Rick – Your willingness to apologize carries a lot of weight with this crowd. We genuinely respect this fresh approach to dealing with an unfortunate problem. Things happen and regrettable things are said by all of us.

There are some excellent suggestions on ways to take action to back up your true beliefs towards blogs. I especially like the suggestion that you encourage your supporters and potential supporters to use blogs. Hope you incorporate this in your campaign.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 67

JimmyJack — You want to disclose your ties, if any, to the Watts campaign up front?

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

Siun @ 75

Gotta say I appreciate the apology and clear taking of responsibility.

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

I agree. It doesn’t seem contrite to be asking for money from the people one recently publicly demeaned.

Sir,

My husband was a Vietnam vet and POW, who was tortured by his North Vietnamese captors. He suffered from his injuries for over thirty years until is fatal heart attack two years ago.

My question, which I’m asking all candidates, is: What will you DO to stop torture as the law, policy and practice of the United States?

With respect and gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather

Christy Hardin Smith @ 73

JimmyJack at 69 — Thanks, every time a comment like that pops up, that always becomes a question. Thought we’d get it out of the way up front. Appreciate it.

Thanks to Howie and Jane for allowing me to clear the air and have a frank discussion with my biggest supporters.

Lt. Col. Noriega,

As one of the leaders along with Glen in the Draft Noriega Movement and Bloggers for Noriega, I want you to know that we’re standing behind you. Thanks for admitting that this was a mistake. It’s a sure sign that you will be a heck of a departure from John Junior Politics As Usual Box Turtle Cornyn. John Cornyn has never admitted a single mistake in four years of office, and nearly every vote he’s cast is a mistake.

We’re behind you, and we know you are the person to defeat Cornyn.

Siun @ 75

Gotta say I appreciate the apology and clear taking of responsibility.

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

the guy who wrote the speech is not writing my speeches anymore.

Rick,

This Administration and its Republican party-line supporters, have made a repeated habit of questioning the patriotism of those who have criticized the Iraq War.

Folks who are against this Administration and its policies are deemed to be supporters of “surrender”, and even “terrorism”.

John Cornyn has used and continues to use this style of “the country’s enemies” politics.

What are you going to do to call him on this unacceptable behavior?

Note: As a Vietnam-era Veteran who served honorably for 4 years, I don’t easily forgive those equate my patriotism and political participation with being a traitor.

Siun @ 75

Gotta say I appreciate the apology and clear taking of responsibility.

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

I can understand that, Siun, and I apologize.

I confess that we are so very close to a goal that seemed very daunting when we set it, that I got a little overexcited.

FWIW, I expect, as one of the citizen journalists supporting this campaign, the very same thing you do.

JimmyJack — You want to disclose your ties, if any, to the Watts campaign up front?

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

I can assure you I am 100% animal.

Thanks Rick – that’s precisely the sort of active response we need to see.

I really do appreciate your apology.

rick @ 84

Siun @ 75

Gotta say I appreciate the apology and clear taking of responsibility.

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

the guy who wrote the speech is not writing my speeches anymore.

Accepts responsibilty and holds his staff accountable for their actions?

thanks for standing up and taking responsibility for what you said, and explaining how it contradicted what you believe about the people who support you and countless other progressive candidates and officials.

Sent on another small donation. (Have to be thrifty right now, being uninsured and uninsurable, I need to scrape up another $7K or so for knee surgery). Have sent your website url to a couple of friends in Texas, asking them to give you a look and see if they would consider supporting you in their small town on the TX-LA border.

I know you’ll be a good candidate and Senator for the people of Texas and our nation. A few stumbles along the way are learning experiences, and you’ve taken the right actions to explain what you did wrong. I like a person who is honest enough to accept that they have made mistakes and brave enough to admit those mistakes in public.

rick at 82 — We certainly appreciate you coming by to chat. Far too often, we get asked to support candidates in terms of fundraising, but when it comes to accountability, they brush it off. It is always a pleasure to have someone come in and explain policy or speech issues — or to talk frankly about how they are feeling about a particular topic or problem.

I’m from WV, and we’re very much like Texas in terms of expecting folks to be plain-spoken and keep their word. It’s a good thing you are doing to clarify but, as Siun says, actions will speak very loudly on this indeed as we move forward. Frankly, getting Cornyn out of office would be wonderful — and I look forward to that happening. To have it happen with a candidate that we support wholeheartedly would be very nice indeed.

Chacounne @ 81

Sir,

My husband was a Vietnam vet and POW, who was tortured by his North Vietnamese captors. He suffered from his injuries for over thirty years until is fatal heart attack two years ago.

My question, which I’m asking all candidates, is: What will you DO to stop torture as the law, policy and practice of the United States?

With respect and gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather

First I believe we should do what Colin Powell said and close Guantanamo. Second, we need to rescend what was put out by Alberto Gonzalez regarding our policy on torture. Our generals have said that we put our own soldiers at risk when we don’t adhere to humane treatment. We as Americans have to lead the world by example.

rick @ 82

Christy Hardin Smith @ 73

JimmyJack at 69 — Thanks, every time a comment like that pops up, that always becomes a question. Thought we’d get it out of the way up front. Appreciate it.

Thanks to Howie and Jane for allowing me to clear the air and have a frank discussion with my biggest supporters.

If the blogs are your biggest supporters, then perhaps you need to communicate that to your speechwriter, and perhaps add someone to your communications staff who already understands the blogosphere, so this does not happen again.

I work for Rick. There’s no intent on our part to push for money here. I can speak for Rick and the campaign that this is about the blogosphere today, not about filling our campaign coffers.

Siun @ 75

Gotta say I appreciate the apology and clear taking of responsibility.

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

things come undone @ 79

Christy Hardin Smith @ 67

JimmyJack — You want to disclose your ties, if any, to the Watts campaign up front?

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

I think (though I can’t be absolutely sure) that Jimmy Jack is one of our TK regulars.

If he’s who I think he is, his concern with civility in discourse is entirely in character with comments he’s made there. Not a plant.

As bloggers in Texas, we set out to make Rick the nominee. He’s up against a mega millionaire primary opponent.

Every major left/Democratic blog in Texas has endorsed Noriega.

In light of the new story, Rick has communicated with all of us, by email, in person and by conference call.

We’re ready to move on and win this election.

We set out to get small donors for Rick.

The netroots can make this happen. Don’t think it’s out of line here. It’s actually more important than ever.

things come undone @ 79

Christy Hardin Smith @ 67

JimmyJack — You want to disclose your ties, if any, to the Watts campaign up front?

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

Ditto. What is JimmyJack’s ties to the Watts campaign or any other for that matter? Can JJ or someone shed light here?

Hi Rick. Thank you so much for being here. I met you at YKos2 in Chicago and I am wondering how we Texas Firepups can help you out. (We are 12-15 that I know of.)

the guy who wrote the speech is not writing my speeches anymore

That is good news. Are there any other steps that you have already taken to address what happened?

QuakerGirl — Read through the thread. He already said he isn’t with the Watts campaign — was hoping the thread wouldn’t get sidetracked with this issue, which is why I asked the question.

Or put another way, an apology is easy to produce, but is truly useless without some evidence that methods have been put in place to prevent future outrages.

In what way will Mr. Noriega assure us that future amazing statements WILL NOT be made?

Mad Dogs @ 86

Rick,

This Administration and its Republican party-line supporters, have made a repeated habit of questioning the patriotism of those who have criticized the Iraq War.

Folks who are against this Administration and its policies are deemed to be supporters of “surrender”, and even “terrorism”.

John Cornyn has used and continues to use this style of “the country’s enemies” politics.

What are you going to do to call him on this unacceptable behavior?

Note: As a Vietnam-era Veteran who served honorably for 4 years, I don’t easily forgive those equate my patriotism and political participation with being a traitor.

MD

I, like you, am offended that our leadership uses the military for photo ops and misuses the institution for its political gain. I believe that the government will unfortunately stay the course, not because it is good policy but because it is good politics for them. This is immoral and I plan to call them on it.

Guess what MD? Guess who’s visiting the TX National Guard this Thursday in Austin, TX (Camp Mabry)? Our very own junior senator from TX, Mr. Cornyn.

rick @ 92

Chacounne @ 81

Sir,

My husband was a Vietnam vet and POW, who was tortured by his North Vietnamese captors. He suffered from his injuries for over thirty years until is fatal heart attack two years ago.

My question, which I’m asking all candidates, is: What will you DO to stop torture as the law, policy and practice of the United States?

With respect and gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather

First I believe we should do what Colin Powell said and close Guantanamo. Second, we need to rescend what was put out by Alberto Gonzalez regarding our policy on torture. Our generals have said that we put our own soldiers at risk when we don’t adhere to humane treatment. We as Americans have to lead the world by example.

Excellent :) If elected will you introduce legislation to that effect ? Or co-sponsor legislation to that effect ?

With respect and gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather

A Central Texas Dem here. My question is to Glen as well as Rick – How are you going to get Rick the name recognition he will need in order to overcome Cornyn’s?

I am sorry to admit that I had never heard of you Rick until Howie and friends started pushing your name here. (I don’t read local papers much or watch TV because I like to keep my blood pressure under control.)

Siun @ 75

I am however a bit uncomfortable with the fundraising push at the same time … I’ve donated to Rick when he was a Blue America guest before – and I hope to do so again but first I’ll be watching for continued active support of citizen journalists from his campaign esp from his speechwriter and communications staff.

Siun, I understand where you are coming from. I, along with many other citizen journalists, have expressed our thoughts to the campaign on this. Following a lengthy conference call today, I believe we’re all on the same page. The Progressive Netroots in Texas isn’t one to roll-over and play dead by any stretch of the imagination. I’ve personally been in communication with the Team Noriega staff on this one and expressed my thoughts and feelings. They understand our viewpoint, are receptive, and are committed to moving us forward. They know how important we are, and they know the magnitude of what happened.

If I and others like Bo, Glen, etc (all on here now) didn’t believe in this and personally know how Rick Noriega feels about the netroots, we’d have likely woken up this morning and gone shopping for a different candidate.

The fact is, however, we know how Rick Noriega truly feels about the netroots, we understand how these things can happen, and we stand behind Rick Noriega 100 percent.

Trust me when I tell you that the netroots in Texas has thrown candidates under the bus before over various things. If we believed Rick Noriega and his staff’s feelings were accurately reflected by that out-of-context, sloppily phrased quote, we’d not be here today.

boadicea @ 95

things come undone @ 79

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

I think (though I can’t be absolutely sure) that Jimmy Jack is one of our TK regulars.

If he’s who I think he is, his concern with civility in discourse is entirely in character with comments he’s made there. Not a plant.

Yep. It’s me. I have to admit I am surprised by the paranoiac response to a very simple straightforward question.

que tal Mr. Noriega.

Dripping Springs, Texas voter here. I look forward to reading some content on your website regarding policies and positions.

Do not count on my vote. The (D) after your name no longer means much to me.

1. Restore american constitutional liberties. Speak out strongly on constitutional issues. Repeal unconstitutional surveilance on american citizens. Close Gitmo and the black sites.
2. End this Iraqi occupation.
3. Take meaningful measures to combat corruption.
4. Protect the people’s vote.

Texas is moving Blue, as you know. Your actions can either help or harm that movement. It’s totally up to you.

Gracias para su attencion

LS @ 27

Hi Rick.
Last time you were here, I brought up the new highways in Texas, and you responded by mentioning that the Valley needed a new highway because of new ports. You mentioned some ports in Mexico. Since then, the trucking from Mexico has commenced. I have read somewhere that the Mexican ports will somehow affect the jobs of longshoremen in the U.S. My question is 2-fold:

1. Please fill us in on what is going on with the Mexican Ports, i.e., how many and where, and will it affect tariffs?

2. How will cargo arriving in Mexican ports be adequately screened for radiological content, as well as any other dangerous materials?

Thanks.

My understanding is that there are 2 new ports being built on Mexico’s west coast. I am unaware of their x-ray, security capability.

QuakerGirl @ 97

things come undone @ 79

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

Ditto. What is JimmyJack’s ties to the Watts campaign or any other for that matter? Can JJ or someone shed light here?

He was invited here from a post a Texas Kaos. I do not believe he is with Watts.

JimmyJack @ 87

JimmyJack — You want to disclose your ties, if any, to the Watts campaign up front?

Is JimmyJack new to the Lake? A plant perhaps?

I can assure you I am 100% animal.

Sorry I’m being a bit paranoid. I thought you were trying to tie Ricks hands against a Republican. I forgot that Cornyn and not Watts is the Republican opponet. Watts I assume is the primary opponet?
I’m all for Democrats not tearing themselves to pieces unless they act like Joe Lieberman. Anyways sorry!

Chacounne @ 103

rick @ 92

First I believe we should do what Collin Powell said and close Guantanemo. Second, we need to rescend what was put out by Alberto Gonzalez regarding our policy on torture. Our generals have said that we put our own soldiers at risk when we don’t adhere to humane treatment. We as Americans have to lead the world by example.

Excellent :) If elected will you introduce legislation to that effect ? Or co-sponsor legislation to that effect ?

With respect and gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather

Yes

Rick, have you looked at Drew Westen’s book The Political Brain. I’m still working though it. So far I’m very impressed with it.

JimmyJack at 107 — That was why I aksed the question. We had a supporter of another candidate try to show up and stealthily disturb a chat a while back, and I think some folks may have been there for that. Was hoping to head off the questions at the pass… *g* Appreciate your quick response on it, even though I didn’t quite forestall the questions anyway.

Glen Maxey @ 96

As bloggers in Texas, we set out to make Rick the nominee. He’s up against a mega millionaire primary opponent.

Every major left/Democratic blog in Texas has endorsed Noriega.

In light of the new story, Rick has communicated with all of us, by email, in person and by conference call.

We’re ready to move on and win this election.

We set out to get small donors for Rick.

The netroots can make this happen. Don’t think it’s out of line here. It’s actually more important than ever.

Actually, knowing that “Every major left/Democratic blog in Texas has endorsed Noriega” makes this mistake even more difficult to swallow.

Rick, if you had the backing of every major union in Texas, you’d shout it from the roof. If you had the backing of every Chamber of Commerce in your district, you’d be trying to get it on the front page of every paper. If you had the backing of every major editorial page in the district, you’d be putting that in your ads.

Instead, we get the comment that brought you here today.

An apology today is nice, but along with that needs to come some actions that match it.

How about making some plans to publicize in a positive way about the support you receive from your blogging supporters, without waiting for a reporter to ask you about them?

Gnome de Plume @ 104

A Central Texas Dem here. My question is to Glen as well as Rick – How are you going to get Rick the name recognition he will need in order to overcome Cornyn’s?

I am sorry to admit that I had never heard of you Rick until Howie and friends started pushing your name here. (I don’t read local papers much or watch TV because I like to keep my blood pressure under control.)

Texas Democrats are so hungry for this win, that there will be lots of new and old political blood helping out.

Gov. Briscoe, Hobby and most of the Democrats in the Legislature are on board with Rick.

He’ll have an army of activists who will live and breathe this election.

And the netroots has shown, that when we have a fight like this one will be, that people powered activism and donations can fuel a major upset.

I’ve been doing campaigns for over 35 years in Texas, and this one is the most exciting prospect I’ve seen in a long, long time.

Even us old dogs can learn new tricks from the netroots.

TexBetsy @ 98

Hi Rick. Thank you so much for being here. I met you at YKos2 in Chicago and I am wondering how we Texas Firepups can help you out. (We are 12-15 that I know of.)

Sign on to our website. A new one will be rolling out soon. Hope you will join our People Powered effort.

Ed Weston @ 112

Rick, have you looked at Drew Westen’s book The Political Brain. I’m still working though it. So far I’m very impressed with it.

Not yet. Keep me posted.

POed Lib @ 101

Or put another way, an apology is easy to produce, but is truly useless without some evidence that methods have been put in place to prevent future outrages.

In what way will Mr. Noriega assure us that future amazing statements WILL NOT be made?

I hate to keep chiming in because this is really Rick’s show here, but as one of the bloggers that’s been dealing with this night and day since Sunday morning, I can tell you that the Texas netroots has communicated with the campaign staff and the candidate and we’ve done things to ensure that the open lines of communication and back-and-forth between the campaign and the netroots are now open even wider.

I also think that quite a sufficient assurance this won’t happen again is that the candidate and the staff know what would happen if it did. Rick’s staff, Larry & James are smart folks and we, as the Texas Netroots, have confidence in them as well as Rick that we won’t see this happen again.

Ruby Tuesday @ 90

thanks for standing up and taking responsibility for what you said, and explaining how it contradicted what you believe about the people who support you and countless other progressive candidates and officials.

Sent on another small donation. (Have to be thrifty right now, being uninsured and uninsurable, I need to scrape up another $7K or so for knee surgery). Have sent your website url to a couple of friends in Texas, asking them to give you a look and see if they would consider supporting you in their small town on the TX-LA border.

I know you’ll be a good candidate and Senator for the people of Texas and our nation. A few stumbles along the way are learning experiences, and you’ve taken the right actions to explain what you did wrong. I like a person who is honest enough to accept that they have made mistakes and brave enough to admit those mistakes in public.

Thank you

If we believed Rick Noriega and his staff’s feelings were accurately reflected by that out-of-context, sloppily phrased quote, we’d not be here today.

With all due respect, it is hard to see how the context could make that quote any more tolerable.

It was a classic false equivalency, for which Rick has apologized.

rick — While I’m thinking about it, am reading a great book on the GOP Texas dirty tricks/Rove/money crowd that you are going to want to read — as Sen. Cornyn makes quite a few appearances in it. It’s from a reporter for The American Lawyer — John Anderson — and entitled Follow the Money. Thought you and your staff might like a heads up on it.

TexBetsy @ 99

Hi Rick. Thank you so much for being here. I met you at YKos2 in Chicago and I am wondering how we Texas Firepups can help you out. (We are 12-15 that I know of.)

Hey–Melissa, here. (Just jumped on…home from City Council in Houston.)

What/who are Firepups? Sounds fun!

Thank you for coming in and speaking with us today, Mr. Noriega.

As you can imagine, we were disheartened to hear the remarks and, naturally, we expect you to explain them to supporters, since they run counter to your professed positions as we knew then.

Considering who and what your presumed Republican opponent is and stands for, I would have been willing to contribute nice words and even money even if your views weren’t so in line with mine. So this is your chance to free yourself from the constraints of previously-stated policy positions that make folks here so fervently support your candidacy. But you should know that you have my continued support.

Is there anything, anything at all, that you would like to retract from your previous conversations here or elsewhere in the Progressive Sphere? Are there any comments you’ve made to us that you would like to ease back from? If so, we would welcome them now, instead of having them filtering back to us.

Melissa @ 123

TexBetsy @ 99

Hi Rick. Thank you so much for being here. I met you at YKos2 in Chicago and I am wondering how we Texas Firepups can help you out. (We are 12-15 that I know of.)

Hey–Melissa, here. (Just jumped on…home from City Council in Houston.)

What/who are Firepups? Sounds fun!

Regulars at FireDogLake.

Rick, thanks for meeting with us, catch all of you later. Off to horseback riding with Aja.
Horses are her biggest love; ah, to be able to indulge the loves of a seven year old. Rick, please think on the need of precision, I’m certain you shall. Thanks again.

Peterr @ 114

Glen Maxey @ 96

As bloggers in Texas, we set out to make Rick the nominee. He’s up against a mega millionaire primary opponent.

Every major left/Democratic blog in Texas has endorsed Noriega.

In light of the new story, Rick has communicated with all of us, by email, in person and by conference call.

We’re ready to move on and win this election.

We set out to get small donors for Rick.

The netroots can make this happen. Don’t think it’s out of line here. It’s actually more important than ever.

Actually, knowing that “Every major left/Democratic blog in Texas has endorsed Noriega” makes this mistake even more difficult to swallow.

Rick, if you had the backing of every major union in Texas, you’d shout it from the roof. If you had the backing of every Chamber of Commerce in your district, you’d be trying to get it on the front page of every paper. If you had the backing of every major editorial page in the district, you’d be putting that in your ads.

Instead, we get the comment that brought you here today.

An apology today is nice, but along with that needs to come some actions that match it.

How about making some plans to publicize in a positive way about the support you receive from your blogging supporters, without waiting for a reporter to ask you about them?

Good idea. I will get with our TX netroot folks and will figure how to best showcase this force.

Rick, this post today is my first introduction to you. I was not aware of the blog comment controversy, but I respect the way you are handling it. Best wishes for your campaign.

Peterr @ 125

Melissa @ 123

Hey–Melissa, here. (Just jumped on…home from City Council in Houston.)

What/who are Firepups? Sounds fun!

Regulars at FireDogLake.

OK–Got it!

Rick – you’re saying the right things but I am very disappointed that Nick Lampson (district 22) turned out to be a “Bush Dog”. I do trust Glen Maxey, do I have to just close my eyes & trust you blindly? I expected Lampson to not be a progressive but his pro-Bush votes caught me off guard, he has not been even a Democrat.

selise @ 59

My comments devalued the blogosphere, and I apologize.

i gotta say, i’m pretty impressed by this statement. if you follow up with your actions, you will have my enthusiastic support.

me too.

Vince Leibowitz @ 118

POed Lib @ 101

Or put another way, an apology is easy to produce, but is truly useless without some evidence that methods have been put in place to prevent future outrages.

In what way will Mr. Noriega assure us that future amazing statements WILL NOT be made?

I hate to keep chiming in because this is really Rick’s show here, but as one of the bloggers that’s been dealing with this night and day since Sunday morning, I can tell you that the Texas netroots has communicated with the campaign staff and the candidate and we’ve done things to ensure that the open lines of communication and back-and-forth between the campaign and the netroots are now open even wider.

I also think that quite a sufficient assurance this won’t happen again is that the candidate and the staff know what would happen if it did. Rick’s staff, Larry & James are smart folks and we, as the Texas Netroots, have confidence in them as well as Rick that we won’t see this happen again.

I have to say I’m less than interested in a candidate who is only going to refrain from insulting those who support him and drawing false equivalencies with Rush Limbaugh because the repercussions will be bad.

Vince Leibowitz @ 119

POed Lib @ 101

Or put another way, an apology is easy to produce, but is truly useless without some evidence that methods have been put in place to prevent future outrages.

In what way will Mr. Noriega assure us that future amazing statements WILL NOT be made?

I hate to keep chiming in because this is really Rick’s show here, but as one of the bloggers that’s been dealing with this night and day since Sunday morning, I can tell you that the Texas netroots has communicated with the campaign staff and the candidate and we’ve done things to ensure that the open lines of communication and back-and-forth between the campaign and the netroots are now open even wider.

I also think that quite a sufficient assurance this won’t happen again is that the candidate and the staff know what would happen if it did. Rick’s staff, Larry & James are smart folks and we, as the Texas Netroots, have confidence in them as well as Rick that we won’t see this happen again.

I appreciate the work you’re trying to do in Texas, but I have trouble with hearing that it was a problem with the staff on the one hand and then “no problem — the staff’s great” on the other.

Have there been any press accounts in the last few days of Rick praising the blogosphere? Saying “it’ll never happen again” is nice, but it would be even better to have the original quote not just repudiated (”I shouldn’t have said it”) but turned on its head (”Blogs are some of my best supporters, and offer my campaign A, B, and C . . . “)

I hope I’m not too late to the party but I liked this:

I experienced first-hand the power of the blogosphere and its democratizing effects. There were no smoke-filled rooms filled with power brokers making the decisions – just a group of concerned citizens working together to take back Texas and their country. The amazing thing is this is not an isolated event. From the victories of Ned Lamont, Jim Webb, and Jon Tester to the ongoing fight on important issues like Iraq, net neutrality, the economy, and health care, the progressive netroots have changed the game in politics, and they have changed it for the better.

What I’d really like to see is you discussing this publicly when you go about campaigning.

Thanks…

David W. Bartoo @ 125

Rick, thanks for meeting with us, catch all of you later. Off to horseback riding with Aja.
Horses are her biggest love; ah, to be able to indulge the loves of a seven year old. Rick, please think on the need of precision, I’m certain you shall. Thanks again.

Be safe. Thank you for your time.

Rick at the late late night post on FDL a while ago somebody was here using the handle Noriegablog and had a minor disagreement with Montag.

Glen and Vince – it’s good to hear that your concerns have been met. As I said, I am very appreciative of Rick’s straightforward apology and very impressed with the fact that he is changing speechwriters.

As Blue America folks, we invest in campaign across the country. We’ve been burned in the past and some of us were really upset by Rick’s comment. I hope to see great things going forward from Rick and his campaign.

That said, there’s a feeling of being pushed by the “TX bloggers” to donate today, etc which is really not the way to win my support.

And I note that Rick and his team are not asking, they are just here talking with us – but it would help your cause I believe if the TX bloggers followed Rick’s lead – it’s good manners.

Thank you Rick for standing and speaking directly. It takes a lot of courage and character. You have powerful friends – Texas bloggers. Regardless of the words that were printed about what you said, action always speaks louder than words. May you win for Texas. Again, thank you for being here.

peanutbutter @ 133

I hope I’m not too late to the party but I liked this:

I experienced first-hand the power of the blogosphere and its democratizing effects. There were no smoke-filled rooms filled with power brokers making the decisions – just a group of concerned citizens working together to take back Texas and their country. The amazing thing is this is not an isolated event. From the victories of Ned Lamont, Jim Webb, and Jon Tester to the ongoing fight on important issues like Iraq, net neutrality, the economy, and health care, the progressive netroots have changed the game in politics, and they have changed it for the better.

What I’d really like to see is you discussing this publicly when you go about campaigning.

Thanks…

I do, will do and can do.

rick @ 127

Peterr @ 114

Actually, knowing that “Every major left/Democratic blog in Texas has endorsed Noriega” makes this mistake even more difficult to swallow.

Rick, if you had the backing of every major union in Texas, you’d shout it from the roof. If you had the backing of every Chamber of Commerce in your district, you’d be trying to get it on the front page of every paper. If you had the backing of every major editorial page in the district, you’d be putting that in your ads.

Instead, we get the comment that brought you here today.

An apology today is nice, but along with that needs to come some actions that match it.

How about making some plans to publicize in a positive way about the support you receive from your blogging supporters, without waiting for a reporter to ask you about them?

Good idea. I will get with our TX netroot folks and will figure how to best showcase this force.

Happy to offer it, and I hope it helps. You might also want to get someone on the staff who understands the blogs in the first place, who could probably give you a hundred other ideas in a similar vein.

Rick, what’s the toughest thing you’ll need to get done in order to win next year? Overcome the (mis-)perception of Cornyn as worthy? Create your own image/message out there? Mollify (or bypass) the notorious TX money scene? Or what? And, what’s your plan to accomplish that?

Siun @ 136

Glen and Vince – it’s good to hear that your concerns have been met. As I said, I am very appreciative of Rick’s straightforward apology and very impressed with the fact that he is changing speechwriters.

As Blue America folks, we invest in campaign across the country. We’ve been burned in the past and some of us were really upset by Rick’s comment. I hope to see great things going forward from Rick and his campaign.

That said, there’s a feeling of being pushed by the “TX bloggers” to donate today, etc which is really not the way to win my support.

And I note that Rick and his team are not asking, they are just here talking with us – but it would help your cause I believe if the TX bloggers followed Rick’s lead – it’s good manners.

My apologies.

Don’t blame Rick because some of his Texas supporters are crazed assholes at times. We just get carried away.

rick @ 138

peanutbutter @ 133

What I’d really like to see is you discussing this publicly when you go about campaigning.

Thanks…

I do, will do and can do.

Woot! I like to think of it as the 21st century “We The People” :-)

Thanks for taking the time to apologize & talk with us today. It’s very much appreciated.

Texas Nate @ 142

Don’t blame Rick because some of his Texas supporters are crazed assholes at times. We just get carried away.

Hey, I resemble that remark. LOL

I know what it is like to be devalued, whether it’s because of my last name, my skin color, my lack of hair, or any number of things folks have used against me in life.

Rick – did you mean the “last name” reference to being Hispanic? Or are you expecting any attacks from your opponent(s) that are similar to the right-wing hits that spell out Barack Hussein Obama?

Peterr @ 140

Happy to offer it, and I hope it helps. You might also want to get someone on the staff who understands the blogs in the first place, who could probably give you a hundred other ideas in a similar vein.

Rick’s got a very good netroots team — Larry was one of the founders of the Draft Clark movement, worked for Jim Webb and is definitely one of the top 10 online strategist in the country.

thanks Rick

Actually, here is Texas, we thought the San Antonio Express column was pretty ground-breaking. It’s obvious to the MSM in Texas that the blogs can be a game changer. It’s good for us to see this kind of attention, especially since we have a vehicle for correcting the inconsistencies.

a href=”#comment-956903″>Peterr @ 133

Vince Leibowitz @ 119

I hate to keep chiming in because this is really Rick’s show here, but as one of the bloggers that’s been dealing with this night and day since Sunday morning, I can tell you that the Texas netroots has communicated with the campaign staff and the candidate and we’ve done things to ensure that the open lines of communication and back-and-forth between the campaign and the netroots are now open even wider.

I also think that quite a sufficient assurance this won’t happen again is that the candidate and the staff know what would happen if it did. Rick’s staff, Larry & James are smart folks and we, as the Texas Netroots, have confidence in them as well as Rick that we won’t see this happen again.

I appreciate the work you’re trying to do in Texas, but I have trouble with hearing that it was a problem with the staff on the one hand and then “no problem — the staff’s great” on the other.

Have there been any press accounts in the last few days of Rick praising the blogosphere? Saying “it’ll never happen again” is nice, but it would be even better to have the original quote not just repudiated (”I shouldn’t have said it”) but turned on its head (”Blogs are some of my best supporters, and offer my campaign A, B, and C . . . “)

Once Burned. Ya know what i mean? I gotta say straight up- I am not prepared to smooth over this bullshit. I have very little funds available so until i see what is going on down in texas- sorry pal. Not Me! Just do what is right- you talk it- now do it! Then????

Siun at 137 is correct — actions, for me, will speak volumes in the days ahead. It’s a bit too soon for me to say where I am on this because, frankly, being compared in a false equivalency, as Jane says, with the likes of Rush Limbaugh and his fact-free ilk is beyond appalling as someone who blogs day in and day out to advance the values of the Democratic party and to uphold the rule of law.

A lot of us have been very successful professionals in our careers — I was an attorney and prosecutor — and the folks who blog here have similar backstories. We didn’t get into political writing to support more of the same. And we expect people to live up to their word. I’m certainly willing to look at this as an individual moment — but it needs to be an individual one as we see how things go from this point forward. I think that’s both fair and understandable.

Siun @ 136

Glen and Vince – it’s good to hear that your concerns have been met. As I said, I am very appreciative of Rick’s straightforward apology and very impressed with the fact that he is changing speechwriters.

As Blue America folks, we invest in campaign across the country. We’ve been burned in the past and some of us were really upset by Rick’s comment. I hope to see great things going forward from Rick and his campaign.

That said, there’s a feeling of being pushed by the “TX bloggers” to donate today, etc which is really not the way to win my support.

And I note that Rick and his team are not asking, they are just here talking with us – but it would help your cause I believe if the TX bloggers followed Rick’s lead – it’s good manners.

Please forgive us if we have been over zealous in our support of Rick. We are so ready to have a new leader in Texas and Texas has been such a cash cow for other out-of-state races that we feel it’s now our turn. I hope you won’t let a bunch of eager bloggers put you off.

Texas Nate @ 147

Peterr @ 140

Happy to offer it, and I hope it helps. You might also want to get someone on the staff who understands the blogs in the first place, who could probably give you a hundred other ideas in a similar vein.

Rick’s got a very good netroots team — Larry was one of the founders of the Draft Clark movement, worked for Jim Webb and is definitely one of the top 10 online strategist in the country.

Then maybe you’d like to take a swing at my question @ 133 that I directed to Vince.

Thanks Christy!

you’re cool by me.
you personed up.
you apologized.
done.

let’s defeat cornyn.

are we up against some big-money puppet primary opponent?

Melissa @ 122

TexBetsy @ 99

Hi Rick. Thank you so much for being here. I met you at YKos2 in Chicago and I am wondering how we Texas Firepups can help you out. (We are 12-15 that I know of.)

Hey–Melissa, here. (Just jumped on…home from City Council in Houston.)

What/who are Firepups? Sounds fun!

email me tex betsy at g mail and i will add you to the list. a dozen or so in central texas. we need to plan our next event.

Peterr @ 153Then maybe you’d like to take a swing at my question @ 133 that I directed to Vince.

I appreciate the work you’re trying to do in Texas, but I have trouble with hearing that it was a problem with the staff on the one hand and then “no problem — the staff’s great” on the other.

Have there been any press accounts in the last few days of Rick praising the blogosphere? Saying “it’ll never happen again” is nice, but it would be even better to have the original quote not just repudiated (”I shouldn’t have said it”) but turned on its head (”Blogs are some of my best supporters, and offer my campaign A, B, and C . . . “)

Well I think the problem had more to do with the growing pains of starting a campaign. When the speech was given — several weeks back — Larry had just come on board and hadn’t had a chance to do the education every campaign needs on blogosphere 101.

Rick was been quite vocal in his praise of the blogosphere but the Texas press corps isn’t really interested in covering the statements of the candidates, they’re busy playing horserace and gotcha.

Peterr @ 152

Texas Nate @ 147

Rick’s got a very good netroots team — Larry was one of the founders of the Draft Clark movement, worked for Jim Webb and is definitely one of the top 10 online strategist in the country.

Then maybe you’d like to take a swing at my question @ 133 that I directed to Vince.

He answered your question

Rick answered that question in a couple of responses but I’m too lazy to go get the numbers for you. ; )

With all due respect, Mr. Noriega, I think your apology would go down more easily if it had been more immediate, like before you left the room or the audience you said what you said in front of. Apologies after the fact are second best, and result in questioning of motives. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

Mr. Noriega,

I’m a progressive and hope like hell you kick John Cornyn out of office. I have a couple of questions to ask you.

The last time you appeared on FireDogLake I had a hard time accepting your answers to the questions fire dog pups asked you.

1. Richmond @ 11: “Welcome Rick! Outside of money, what do you think is going to be the hardest issue you will have to address with Texas voters in terms of their vote. And, how will you address it?”

Rick: “Some folks may be afraid of winning. It may be easier to lose and be a victim. We’ve got to teach Democrats how to win.”

You can’t be serious! You totally avoided the question!

howieklein @ 5: “Rick, welcome to Firedoglake. I’m sure everywhere here is as eager as I am to know how a real PROGRESSIVE Democrat is going to win in one of the redder states in the country. Tell us how you can make our contributions work for bringing about a better America via Texas.”

Rick: “We’ve got to get back to the basics of “We the People.” We all must answer the call to service for our state and nation for the common good.”

Another BS answer from Rick.

billjpa @ 9: “I hate to say it but: Don’t waste your time. The dems have given away the farm, the house and have sold not only their first born but every single relative they have. How do you attack that?”

Jane Hamsher says: “You know, I don’t know what purpose this kind of defeatism serves, but we’re trying like hell to get progressives elected to the Senate and House for a reason. Is there a constructive point here?”

Jane didn’t let Rick answer that question.

Dan @ 53: “Welcome Rick! In the wake of last weekend’s FISA vote we want it to be a priority to support and elect people with backbone. Are you willing to go on the record saying you’ll promote the repeal the changes if they become permanent in six months? Also would you promote (or support) changes to the Military Commissions Act?”

Rick: “If you look at my voting record over the past 5 sessions you’ll see a history of me tanding up. I do believe that the Congress avoided a bullet with the 6-month deal.”

“Let’s see what they do. Ironically, when the Democrats take control of the White House, it will be the Repubs pushing for the repeal….what’s good for the goose….”

Did he just say …whats good for the goose…? I’m sorry but I don’t want this politicion on my side.

Rick please contact me at dougavin@netscape.net for an interview.

Troubled Texan

How are you planning to reconcile the netroots with the grassroots if you win the primary? Your netroots supporters have been supportive to the point of offending other Democrats on the different blogs.

contact info for the central texas firepups. i’m taking a nap.

Ann in AZ @ 158

With all due respect, Mr. Noriega, I think your apology would go down more easily if it had been more immediate, like before you left the room or the audience you said what you said in front of. Apologies after the fact are second best, and result in questioning of motives. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

The speech where the offending comment was before the Texas Association of Broadcasters more than a month ago. The folks offended were not in the room.

Peterr, the short answer is “I don’t believe so”.

This article, for which I was interviewed, was one of the first ones I remember that has even started to ask the question about the impact of blogs on Texas politics.

In Texas, in some ways it’s more like 2004 than 2007, when blogs are still a curiosity traditional media doesn’t quite take seriously.

So, we have lots of work to do. We’re relying on several of the campaigns in this current cycle, including Rick’s, to help us do it.

Texas Nate @ 157

Peterr @ 153Then maybe you’d like to take a swing at my question @ 133 that I directed to Vince.

I appreciate the work you’re trying to do in Texas, but I have trouble with hearing that it was a problem with the staff on the one hand and then “no problem — the staff’s great” on the other.

Have there been any press accounts in the last few days of Rick praising the blogosphere? Saying “it’ll never happen again” is nice, but it would be even better to have the original quote not just repudiated (”I shouldn’t have said it”) but turned on its head (”Blogs are some of my best supporters, and offer my campaign A, B, and C . . . “)

Well I think the problem had more to do with the growing pains of starting a campaign. When the speech was given — several weeks back — Larry had just come on board and hadn’t had a chance to do the education every campaign needs on blogosphere 101.

Rick was been quite vocal in his praise of the blogosphere but the Texas press corps isn’t really interested in covering the statements of the candidates, they’re busy playing horserace and gotcha.

Glad to hear that things are improving, then. Thanks.

nuts101 @ 160

How are you planning to reconcile the netroots with the grassroots if you win the primary? Your netroots supporters have been supportive to the point of offending other Democrats on the different blogs.

Nuts, I believe you have a disclosure to make for the benefit of those who don’t already know you in this discussion, right?

We are on our last brownie here at Team Noriega.

Troubled Texan,

Lots of quesitons! Someone will contact you offline.

Peterr @ 133

Vince Leibowitz @ 119

I hate to keep chiming in because this is really Rick’s show here, but as one of the bloggers that’s been dealing with this night and day since Sunday morning, I can tell you that the Texas netroots has communicated with the campaign staff and the candidate and we’ve done things to ensure that the open lines of communication and back-and-forth between the campaign and the netroots are now open even wider.

I also think that quite a sufficient assurance this won’t happen again is that the candidate and the staff know what would happen if it did. Rick’s staff, Larry & James are smart folks and we, as the Texas Netroots, have confidence in them as well as Rick that we won’t see this happen again.

I appreciate the work you’re trying to do in Texas, but I have trouble with hearing that it was a problem with the staff on the one hand and then “no problem — the staff’s great” on the other.

Have there been any press accounts in the last few days of Rick praising the blogosphere? Saying “it’ll never happen again” is nice, but it would be even better to have the original quote not just repudiated (”I shouldn’t have said it”) but turned on its head (”Blogs are some of my best supporters, and offer my campaign A, B, and C . . . “)

Troubled Texan @ 159

Jane Hamsher says: “You know, I don’t know what purpose this kind of defeatism serves, but we’re trying like hell to get progressives elected to the Senate and House for a reason. Is there a constructive point here?”

Jane didn’t let Rick answer that question.

I’ve never stopped anyone from answering a question. And anyone who wants to make the “don’t waste your time” argument is probably at risk for getting called out for being full of shit from more people than just me.

things come undone @ 135

Rick at the late late night post on FDL a while ago somebody was here using the handle Noriegablog and had a minor disagreement with Montag.

Some other george (formerly curiousgeorge) @ 140

Rick, what’s the toughest thing you’ll need to get done in order to win next year? Overcome the (mis-)perception of Cornyn as worthy? Create your own image/message out there? Mollify (or bypass) the notorious TX money scene? Or what? And, what’s your plan to accomplish that?

Ann in AZ @ 158

With all due respect, Mr. Noriega, I think your apology would go down more easily if it had been more immediate, like before you left the room or the audience you said what you said in front of. Apologies after the fact are second best, and result in questioning of motives. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

Folks:

I appreciate the time we had to visit. I will take any last minute questions. Look forward to visiting again and helping to build a stronger netroots community in our state as we fight to defeat Cornyn.

Thanks for the post, Rick. Enjoyed meeting you in Nacogdoches and I for one do believe wholeheartedly in your sincerity.

Who did you vote for in the Texas ePrimary Rick? :)

Cornyn has some Abramoff connections I heard any word when if ever they will be investigated.

boudicea — Since nuts101 doesn’t seem inclined to answer your question, I for one would love to be enlightened on that interseting tidbit that you hinted at there…thanks.

Action: Help stop Mexican Truckers from crossing into the US. They are unsafe. A vote is about to come up.

http://dailykos.com/story/2007/9/10/133239/604

This is correct. This happened one month ago. It was a screwup. We’re dealing with it. Most importantly, I wouldn’t be on here supporting Rick if I thought those quotes reflected his views of the blogosphere, the TX netroots, and his own campaign. Rick has said to me over and over again, we can’t win this campaign with the “same ol’ same ol’ approach.” We’re going to have to run a different kind of campaign, and the netroots are going to be a key part of this campaign. And it isn’t just about winning. It’s also a better form of politics. Driven by citizens, not a bunch of power brokers.

Texas Nate @ 156

Peterr @ 153Then maybe you’d like to take a swing at my question @ 133 that I directed to Vince.

I appreciate the work you’re trying to do in Texas, but I have trouble with hearing that it was a problem with the staff on the one hand and then “no problem — the staff’s great” on the other.

Have there been any press accounts in the last few days of Rick praising the blogosphere? Saying “it’ll never happen again” is nice, but it would be even better to have the original quote not just repudiated (”I shouldn’t have said it”) but turned on its head (”Blogs are some of my best supporters, and offer my campaign A, B, and C . . . “)

Well I think the problem had more to do with the growing pains of starting a campaign. When the speech was given — several weeks back — Larry had just come on board and hadn’t had a chance to do the education every campaign needs on blogosphere 101.

Rick was been quite vocal in his praise of the blogosphere but the Texas press corps isn’t really interested in covering the statements of the candidates, they’re busy playing horserace and gotcha.

dglen @ 169

Thanks for the post, Rick. Enjoyed meeting you in Nacogdoches and I for one do believe wholeheartedly in your sincerity.

Nacadoches was great and I remember you telling me over by the wall you were sitting on that you frequently post here. Look forward working with you as we fight to defeat Cornyn.

LS @ 173

Action: Help stop Mexican Truckers from crossing into the US. They are unsafe. A vote is about to come up.

http://dailykos.com/story/2007/9/10/133239/604

It is interesting that the right wing anti immigrant zealots are not screaming about national security with this truck pilot program. Where’s Cornyn now?

Glen Maxey @ 162

Ann in AZ @ 158

With all due respect, Mr. Noriega, I think your apology would go down more easily if it had been more immediate, like before you left the room or the audience you said what you said in front of. Apologies after the fact are second best, and result in questioning of motives. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

The speech where the offending comment was before the Texas Association of Broadcasters more than a month ago. The folks offended were not in the room.

So you’re saying he let his criticism of the netroots stand to the MSM? He didn’t take it back so that they could then broadcast his distaste for bloggers? WTF!

Jane Hamsher @ 168

Troubled Texan @ 159

Jane Hamsher says: “You know, I don’t know what purpose this kind of defeatism serves, but we’re trying like hell to get progressives elected to the Senate and House for a reason. Is there a constructive point here?”

Jane didn’t let Rick answer that question.

I’ve never stopped anyone from answering a question. And anyone who wants to make the “don’t waste your time” argument is probably at risk for getting called out for being full of shit from more people than just me.

You bet, Jane. Thanks for standing up for so many of us who spend hours, months, years pounding the pavement and making calls as volunteers on a campaign. I lost most of them and came back next time. I called Harry Reid, again, this morning. You have no idea how many times I’ve called myself nuts only to pick up the phone two minutes later. Action. It takes doing. Democracy is DOING.

Troubled Texan… well that would be one interpretation.

Would a public broadcasting or Texas newspaper restating of Ricks apology today help smooth things over?

Bo,
You know that I support Watts. But if Rick wins the primary I am sure as hell going to support him no matter how rude and crazy and insulting
his supporters on the blogs have been to me.

Since Rick has promised to take proactive steps to publicly highlight the role of the progressive blogosphere in Texas politics, I look forward to receiving periodic updates from his campaign here at FDL – either in posts or in the comments.

We want to see Rick talking about the positive role of the progressive blogoshere!

Excerpts from Rick’s speeches would be great.

YouTube clips of Rick’s speeches would be even better.

nuts at 182 — Thanks for that. We try and do that sort of disclosure up front here when it’s relevant, so I appreciate you doing so.

Mr. Noriega – one more time, please – is there any public policy position that you have made to us, or anywhere, that you would like to rescind or distance yourself from? Now would be a good time.

I don’t know about you guys, but I got some darn tough panties.

You got to really tick me off to mine in a wad.

I for one realize I can be divisive. If you don’t believe me, take a look at my blog.

Rick is a super candidate. I’m behind him 100%.

Rock on!

Christy Hardin Smith @ 172

boudicea — Since nuts101 doesn’t seem inclined to answer your question, I for one would love to be enlightened on that interseting tidbit that you hinted at there…thanks.

Based on the assumption that this nuts101 is the same one posting on BOR, and Texas Kaos, she is an active supporter of Rick’s primary opponent who has actually told people she was going to be working for Watts to represent him on the blogs.

Just worth keeping in mind.

edit I see she did what I hoped she would when prompted, and disclosed. Thank you, nuts101.

things come undone @ 180

Would a public broadcasting or Texas newspaper restating of Ricks apology today help smooth things over?

Maybe, along with a statement about how we’ve tried to help him and contributed to his funding! I think more than one broadcast and newspaper statement would go a long way toward smoothing things over. (I say that because some publications and broadcasts have a very small audience and that would be like not doin’ nothin’, so to speak. There would be a difference between a statement in a major publication and a statement in some remote, barely read rag.)

*xyz @ 182

Since Rick has promised to take proactive steps to publicly highlight the role of the progressive blogosphere in Texas politics, I look forward to receiving periodic updates from his campaign here at FDL – either in posts or in the comments.

We want to see Rick talking about the positive role of the progressive blogoshere!

Excerpts from Rick’s speeches would be great.

YouTube clips of Rick’s speeches would be even better.

Excellent suggestion. We would be happy to give space to Rick talking about the positive things the Texas bloggers have achieved. They’ve got an uphill battle and can certainly use all the public support they can get.

Ann in AZ @ 177

Glen Maxey @ 162

The speech where the offending comment was before the Texas Association of Broadcasters more than a month ago. The folks offended were not in the room.

So you’re saying he let his criticism of the netroots stand to the MSM? He didn’t take it back so that they could then broadcast his distaste for bloggers? WTF!

*xyz @ 182

Since Rick has promised to take proactive steps to publicly highlight the role of the progressive blogosphere in Texas politics, I look forward to receiving periodic updates from his campaign here at FDL – either in posts or in the comments.

We want to see Rick talking about the positive role of the progressive blogoshere!

Excerpts from Rick’s speeches would be great.

YouTube clips of Rick’s speeches would be even better.

Look forward to working with you. Stay tuned.

Thanks to FDL for their coverage of the Petreaus testimony.

See ya’ll soon. I’ll be back. Together we can beat Cornyn.

Rick

Mikal Watts

things come undone @ 180

Would a public broadcasting or Texas newspaper restating of Ricks apology today help smooth things over?

That presumes a broadcaster or Texas newspaper would be interested (or believe appropriate) such a statement.

I’m, shall we say, skeptical of the kind of reception traditional media would give that idea…

*xyz @ 182

Since Rick has promised to take proactive steps to publicly highlight the role of the progressive blogosphere in Texas politics, I look forward to receiving periodic updates from his campaign here at FDL – either in posts or in the comments.

We want to see Rick talking about the positive role of the progressive blogoshere!

Excerpts from Rick’s speeches would be great.

YouTube clips of Rick’s speeches would be even better.

The late late night post would be a good place for Ricks people to post information on a regular basis. People like me go off topic all the time there and we have some intresting talks. Plus I do need material to post comments that late/early in the morning.

nuts101 @ 181

Bo,
You know that I support Watts. But if Rick wins the primary I am sure as hell going to support him no matter how rude and crazy and insulting
his supporters on the blogs have been to me.

I do, but the folks here at FDL didn’t, and it’s considered polite to disclose such things. I appreciate you doing so.

Yes I do support Mikal Watts. I am am not working for him because he is not paying me.
Again, If Rick wins the primary I will work
for him without him paying me.

newtonusr @ 184

Mr. Noriega – one more time, please – is there any public policy position that you have made to us, or anywhere, that you would like to rescind or distance yourself from? Now would be a good time.

I can appreciate where this is coming from, as I’ve been part of the Blue America community watching the Carney and McNerney proceedings with dismay.

Nonetheless, this is starting to look a bit like a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

Rick, not being from Texas and understanding the politictics in that state are touchier than other states,

What would you bring to your state and the nation that is different than others?

When was the last time you read the Constitution and Bill of rights? Are you will to up hold the constitution versus party loyally regardless of party?

boadicea @ 195

newtonusr @ 184

Mr. Noriega – one more time, please – is there any public policy position that you have made to us, or anywhere, that you would like to rescind or distance yourself from? Now would be a good time.

I can appreciate where this is coming from, as I’ve been part of the Blue America community watching the Carney and McNerney proceedings with dismay.

Nonetheless, this is starting to look a bit like a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

No disrespect intended. In fact, exactly the opposite. However, a simple “yes, there is this one thing I would like to clarify…”, or “No” would would have done just fine.
And you know what? If Mr. Noriega has a problem with that question, we have bigger concerns than his statements to broadcasters.

Sent to me from my Khe Sanh USMC buddy:

Vietnam Flashback

By Ray McGovern

September 7, 2007

Ray McGovern served as an Army infantry/intelligence officer in the sixties. He was then a CIA analyst for 27 years and is cofounder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour.

My flashback was occasioned by press reports yesterday that senior Army officers in Baghdad were trashing the conclusions of the National Intelligence Estimate and the GAO analysis on grounds that they employed “flawed counting methodology used by the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency.”

Speaking of flawed counting methodology, someone has inserted into the president’s mouth the claim that: “Our troops have killed or captured an average of more than 1,500 al-Qaeda terrorists and other extremists every month since January of this year.”

Finally, some good news! But wait. As a homework assignment, I invite readers to look up what has been said previously about how many al-Qaeda fighters may be in Iraq. Then do some arithmetic and try to calculate how many of them may now have been killed more than once.

Falsifying the Data

Mod note: Edited for length and OT. Ray McGovern blogs at antiwar.com and Raven may post more info on the previous thread. Thanks

boadicea @ 195

newtonusr @ 184

Mr. Noriega – one more time, please – is there any public policy position that you have made to us, or anywhere, that you would like to rescind or distance yourself from? Now would be a good time.

I can appreciate where this is coming from, as I’ve been part of the Blue America community watching the Carney and McNerney proceedings with dismay.

Nonetheless, this is starting to look a bit like a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

Let’s not forget Ciro Rodriquez, Henry Cuellar, and John Salazar (?)!

nuts101 @ 181

Bo,
You know that I support Watts. But if Rick wins the primary I am sure as hell going to support him no matter how rude and crazy and insulting
his supporters on the blogs have been to me.

Nuts, this is off topic for this thread, so I’ll invite you to email me with examples and let’s see if there’s a way we can come to some understanding and mutual respect.

You can use my screen name at gmail.com to get a hold of me.

Rick,

Allow me to vent a bit. We lefty bloggers have been accused of being unemployed, living in their parents basement armed to the teeth with cheetos and mello yellow. We have been conflated with the dirty hippies of the sixties and all the usual demeaning things Republicans have been calling Democrats for thirty years.

We grew in size and numbers, gathering in wisdom, numbers and strength at good places like firedoglake. We had minor impact until we pooled financial resources at ActBlue in order to affect a progressive agenda. Good ideas are simply not enough, agendas must be financed.

When one of our warriors kicks us in the teeth, it aggravates the thirty-year-old wounds, moreso because it is like treachery from within.

You took a good tract here, one that I predicted you would take on the late night thread last night–in fact, the best course you could have possibly took. Bravo!

I am with Suin, who desires to support you, but now balks. Best wishes, thanks for coming and I do appreciate the apology.

Wexler on the case!

raven — I think you are meaning to put the comments on the Petraeus hearing on the prior thread, aren’t you? And not on the live chat thread with a guest?

Christy Hardin Smith @ 203

raven — I think you are meaning to put the comments on the Patraeus hearing on the prior thread, aren’t you? And not on the live chat thread with a guest?

I’m sorry, yes I did’ *g*

Rick:

I really like you, even though my husband supports your opponent. I realize that sometimes older candidates such as yourself don’t realize the power of the blogs.

Hopefully this whole situation has made you aware

I don’t get it. A campaigning politician walks into an auditorium, is handed a speech to read, and doesn’t say, “What’s coming out of my mouth; this is all wrong!”? Wow. Anybody else have a hard time getting their head around how packaged these people who would like to represent us must be? What have they had to give up?

Rick,

PS. If I weren’t so damn busy supplying an addicted nation, I’d throw in as a speechwriter for ya’. I hear you have an opening.

by the way, why don’t you have the staffer who wrote that terrible speech get online with us so we can kick him in the huevos

I really like you, even though my husband supports your opponent. I realize that sometimes older candidates such as yourself don’t realize the power of the blogs.

Hopefully this whole situation has made you aware

Wife understands–Women up in the middle of the night!

Melissa

raven @ 198

Sent to me from my Khe Sanh USMC buddy:

Vietnam Flashback

By Ray McGovern

September 7, 2007

Ray McGovern served as an Army infantry/intelligence officer in the sixties. He was then a CIA analyst for 27 years and is cofounder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour.

My flashback was occasioned by press reports yesterday that senior Army officers in Baghdad were trashing the conclusions of the National Intelligence Estimate and the GAO analysis on grounds that they employed “flawed counting methodology used by the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency.”

Speaking of flawed counting methodology, someone has inserted into the president’s mouth the claim that: “Our troops have killed or captured an average of more than 1,500 al-Qaeda terrorists and other extremists every month since January of this year.”

Finally, some good news! But wait. As a homework assignment, I invite readers to look up what has been said previously about how many al-Qaeda fighters may be in Iraq. Then do some arithmetic and try to calculate how many of them may now have been killed more than once.

Falsifying the Data

Mod note: Edited for length and OT. Ray McGovern blogs at antiwar.com and Raven may post more info on the previous thread. Thanks

Any book suggestions on this topic please.

Melissa:

So you have to do stuff behind your husband’s back too.

Alright sister!

newtonusr @ 197

boadicea @ 195

I can appreciate where this is coming from, as I’ve been part of the Blue America community watching the Carney and McNerney proceedings with dismay.

Nonetheless, this is starting to look a bit like a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

No disrespect intended. In fact, exactly the opposite. However, a simple “yes, there is this one thing I would like to clarify…”, or “No” would would have done just fine.
And you know what? If Mr. Noriega has a problem with that question, we have bigger concerns than his statements to broadcasters.

Why not just, “Are you now or have you ever been….?’

I will be talking to my family in Texas tonight, some of whom are some of Mr. Noriega’s constituents. I’ll tell them to look at this post as Noriega’s responses might help them to vote for him. Or not.

FYI, Jane is upstairs

Methinks

it may be a mistake

to get behind

dems who face awful, awful, fucking awful repubs

the guy Carney beat was so bad, even the people who liked him didn’t like him

so Carney, despite his faults, looks great to his constituents in comparison

things come undone @ 210

raven @ 198

Sent to me from my Khe Sanh USMC buddy:

Mod note: Edited for length and OT. Ray McGovern blogs at antiwar.com and Raven may post more info on the previous thread. Thanks

Any book suggestions on this topic please.

I hope it’s ok to respond here an I apologize again for the misfire. Read the Pentagon Papers, The Real War by Jonathon Schell, an A Bright Shining Lie by Neil Sheehan.

I support your campaign. Thanks for stopping by.

217 posts- now- how many negatives? I haven’t been counting but I bet the negs are up there. I think Noreiga needs to show more than words. And as far as the blog funds- I think that we need to do something to at least increas the pressure to make sure we aren’t getting screwed!

Thank You Raven @216

Late to the thread, but I’ll weigh in, hoping that Rick will be back to read.

When I read the SA article, I found his statements insulting and ill informed. As if “talk radio” and “liberal blogs” are the same except for having a different target audience they stir up.

This was especially galling, as just the day before I had contributed to Noriega via Blue America.

Fine, apologize. That’s a good start. But, I do not understand why, when he read the part of the speech quoted in the article, he did not have an immediate “WTF?” moment. Was it because the speech was designed to pander to the MSM?

And, I feel that the broader content of the article needs to be addressed, particularly this line: “But then Noriega returned home and told the Texas Broadcasters Association that the blogs are as destructive a force in democracy as talk radio. “- that’s a pretty loaded statement – made by the writer of the piece- to report on Noriega’s sentiments.

Without context, it starts to sound not so different than “public demonstrations against the war are dangerous to democracy”.

Unless this line in the article is addressed in a clear and convincing manner, then that idea still lingers out there. So, sorry I made a mistake is a good start, but more needs to be done to undo the damage.

Like some others here, I am taking a “wait and see” attitude before I contribute more $$ to the campaign.

VG, if you’d like some more context, I’ve posted on this article at Texas Kaos, including the entirety of the speech.

I hope it will address at least some of your concerns, and I certainly understand your desire to see the campaign’s actions match these words.

boadicea @ 221

VG, if you’d like some more context, I’ve posted on this article at Texas Kaos, including the entirety of the speech.

I hope it will address at least some of your concerns, and I certainly understand your desire to see the campaign’s actions match these words.

Thanks for the link. Just read the comments in the context of the full speech, and frankly I don’t see that it does much to make me feel better about the comments that were quoted in the article. Liberal blogs are still getting slammed for stirring things up.

And liberal blogs do stir up issues that are cited as important- “the war on terror, the future of Social Security, education and health care for working families” -.

I do think the comment I cited above (from author of article) needs to be addressed and put to rest. Otherwise, it’s going to keep coming back. And, hung around his neck. In my view, this is just as important, or more important than a general apology.

fwiw, I thought that Noriega’s chat at BA way back when (original BA invite) was among the best we’ve had here from a candidate. I was totally totally impressed, and started spreading the word.

I can understand why you are defending Noriega. He is “your candidate”, and for a good reason. I’ve been there too. And, as a result I understand how people who are invested, truly, can have a different take than outside observers, who tend to call it as they see it. Sometimes painful to hear those outsider views- I sure do know that.

Anyway, hope this helps provide a more general context for my comments. Thanks again for the link.

But, I am still of the “wait and see” opinion.

Rick, this Travis County Dem supports your candidacy. I think you could be Cornyn’s worst nightmare–but Cornyn’s probably too dumb to realize it yet.

Valley Girl @ 222

I can understand why you are defending Noriega. He is “your candidate”, and for a good reason. I’ve been there too. And, as a result I understand how people who are invested, truly, can have a different take than outside observers, who tend to call it as they see it. Sometimes painful to hear those outsider views- I sure do know that.

Anyway, hope this helps provide a more general context for my comments. Thanks again for the link.

But, I am still of the “wait and see” opinion.

I can certainly appreciate your point of view. I’ve been on both side of this equation.

I’m not sure who you want to put the quote in context, though. Maybe I’m not following what you’re saying. Is it this you’re particularly concerned with:

“But then Noriega returned home and told the Texas Broadcasters Association that the blogs are as destructive a force in democracy as talk radio. “- that’s a pretty loaded statement – made by the writer of the piece- to report on Noriega’s sentiments.

Because honestly, that’s the take of the author of the piece-and I don’t anticipate he’s going to back off it. He’s already dug in against the blog response, as a matter of fact.

I don’t think that’s something we’re going to be able to accomplish.

I understand the need to wait and see, considering how some of our other Blue America standard bearers have let us down.

I hope we’ll be coming back often with good news that will demonstrate what I believe-that Rick Noriega is a candidate that will have our back just as we have his.

Steve-AR @ 17

Our community is eager to find out what was behind the remarks comparing dedicated progressives concerned with the political evolution of the country to the likes of multimillionaire propagandists on Hate Talk Radio.

Me too..your one Arkansas supporter.

Great that you received my letter. Email me anytime.

boadicea @ 224

Valley Girl @ 222

Is it this you’re particularly concerned with:

“But then Noriega returned home and told the Texas Broadcasters Association that the blogs are as destructive a force in democracy as talk radio. “- that’s a pretty loaded statement – made by the writer of the piece- to report on Noriega’s sentiments.

Because honestly, that’s the take of the author of the piece-and I don’t anticipate he’s going to back off it. He’s already dug in against the blog response, as a matter of fact.

I don’t think that’s something we’re going to be able to accomplish.

Boadicea- hope my editing of the block quotes works. Yes, that is the comment.

I never was thinking that the author of the piece would back off. Or, at least, highly unlikely. And, yes, clear to me that it is “the author’s take” from the get.

What I was saying, trying to say, is that if Rick N feels that this comment mis-represented his views, then he needs to come back hard, in some form, with a response that will be heard.

Political hardball, and tactics. He needs something quoteable as a comeback. This isn’t going to be a “white kid gloves pearl buttons” race.

I follow you now. Thanks for clarifying.

No, the gloves are definitely off.

Mr. Noriega,

I see you’ve been thoroughly spanked and the fact that you took the beating with grace and humility makes me even more glad that I -an ACTUAL Texan- will be voting for you come November 08. John Cornyn is a scourge and he has got to go.

More importantly, I pray that you will come to speak up here in the Panhandle. We tend to get ignored by both parties because a) The GOP assumes we’ll vote red and b) The DCCC assumes we’ll vote red. The catch of course, is that the folks in my area never get to know the good, blue candidates. Trust me, Mr. Noriega, we are ready. Ready for change.

I will vote for you. When the paycheck clears, I will donate to your campaign. When my neighbors ask me who to vote for, I will tell them: Rick Noriega.

oops

I meant DSCC. :)

Rick, Thanks for stepping up and stepping in I have been saying for years Texas has NO representation, Looking forward to you winning and getting rid of this I vote Party line and What I am told to Vote piece of repukulan Garbage.