The California Legislature passed a gender-neutral marriage bill on Friday and sent it to Governor Schwarzenegger.
The bill, AB43, is the third effort by Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, to pass what he has termed a "gender-neutral marriage" bill. The act would amend California's Family Code to define marriage as a civil contract between two persons."Marriage is more than just a civil contract ... it is different from domestic partners, it's just different from civil unions - it means something," said state Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica, who presented the bill and was also the first openly gay person to be elected to the Legislature. "And because it means something, that's why it's been denied to us."
(Psssst, Freddie Thompson: you need to update your stump speech on marriage equality.) Freddie blames the gay marriage on activist judges:
"No states have affirmatively approved gay marriage. There's been no state legislature in the nation that has done that and not likely too…If some state wants to come along through their legislature and do something different let them answer to their own people and I got a feeling they won't be in the legislature that much longer."
Sorry, Freddie, this is the California Legislature's second bite at the marriage apple. Here's what Arnold had to say in 2005 when the marriage equality bill last landed on his desk:
Schwarzenegger on Wednesday said the legislation, given final approval Tuesday by lawmakers, would conflict with the intent of voters when they approved a ballot initiative five years ago. Proposition 22 prevents California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries."We cannot have a system where the people vote and the Legislature derails that vote," the governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said in a statement. "Out of respect for the will of the people, the governor will veto (the bill)."
Got that? California voters enacted an initiative, Prop22, in 2000, to ban the state from recognizing marriages performed in other states or countries.
A September 2006 poll by the Public Policy Institute of California showed that 47 percent of likely voters in California support marriage for same-sex couples, while 46 percent oppose.
And Arnold plans to hide behind an unrelated, seven-year old ballot referendum, as he did two years ago, to justify thwarting the will of the people expressed through their elected representatives last week.
For Assemblyman Mark Leno’s (D-San Francisco), the bill's author, and for LGBT rights groups it is deja vu.“Two consecutive legislatures have now boldly and proudly affirmed the full, first class, and equal citizenship of all of Californians in loving and committed relationship who want their bond recognized and honored by the state in which they live and to which they contribute,” said Leno (D-San Francisco).
“My Senate colleagues recognized what an ever increasing number of fair-minded Californians also see - that marriage strengthens our society and singling same sex couples out of this important institution hurts us all,” he said.
We don't undertake direct-action alerts very often here at Sunday Late Nite. Arnold has until October 14th to sign or veto this bill -- please tell him: SIGN AB43, ARNOLD!
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633
Many, many thanks from me, from my fiance (we've been engaged since February 13th, 2004 -- and we're still waiting!) and from good-hearted, equality-minded Californians everywhere. We are one autograph away from the largest state in the union mandating gender-neutral marriage.
Never doubt. More here.
(gay marriage video by Scott Nolan)
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Hi everybody!
Did you tell the others, Al?
Hey TeddySanFran, Hi!
Oops, too slow…
TSF!!!
OT..No surprise..Patraeus wants another FU…From NYT
WASHINGTON, Sept. 9 — The top American commander in Iraq, Gen. David H. Petraeus, has recommended that decisions on the contentious issue of reducing the main body of the American troops in Iraq be put off for six months, American officials said Sunday.
NTY
What kind of fuckery is this?!?! Surely Ahnuld would never do something that would earn a tiny iota of respect from me.
TEDDY.
TeddySanFran @ 3
I just did. A marvellous post, TSF. Doubt the Governator will do it, but it never hurts to keep the pressure on.
Steve-AR @ 7
And it seems safe to suppose that our do-nothing Congress will give it to him.
“Fuck this fucking game!” –Crash Davis
Fuck Ahnold and the horse he rode in on - fucker couldn’t find his way outta a paper bag without written directions provided by the paper bag manufacturers association.
Good evening everyone!
California tends to lead the rest of the states…Ahnold needs to play pool or get the hell out of our way!
Suzanne @ 12
…for a fee, of course.
Suzanne @ 12
Don’t hold it in, Suz.
Suzanne @ 12
now, suz, quit holding back just because of your love and respect for Der Governator….
The boobengrabber.
The Gropenator.
Can’t relate to gays cause all he sees in a crowd of people is breasts.
Steve-AR @ 7
I am sorry but this man is beneath contempt.
You are signing a lot of death warrants for a shot a political stardom Mr. Petreaus.
Besides, why not leave, Bin Laden is a useless buffoon according to Fran Townsend.
George W. Bush, accountability is always six months away.
-GSD
Hi Teddy! I hope Arnold has the huevos to do the right thing and sign.
Um, Hate to say it but Shwarzenegger has already said he was going to veto this.
marymccurnin @ 17
or girlie-men.
-GSD
Loo Hoo-
Upside down in the garage. Whacked off 11″.
OT but important:
Moyers and Goldsmith (think Ashcroft Hospital Massacre) on PBS.com.
People have different thinking today about this issue than they did in 2000. My dad and his wife now have gay friends!
cahuenga @ 20
Then I hope the entire gay community turns out to piss on his grave when the time comes.
Arnold is coming around on this issue.
Perhaps.
-GSD
Even more OT:
Bush floats Silberman (yes THAT Silberman) as next AG.
Gaaaaaaaah!
Time to let the congresscritters know what will happen if they do that!
GSD @ 18
Certainly the dems won’t fall for it again…fool me once…
GSD @ 27
Blood es rusing ento yer peni… er muscles
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Bet me a $20 dollah donation to Jane they won’t! They’re perfectly willing to give Boosh anything he wants…
Loo Hoo. @ 29
fool me once..
fool me six times.
I always fall for it, I am such a fool.
This administration and the mechanization of demonization that pollutes the Republican ethos has been beneficial to the GLBT community.
First, we grow weary of a one-trick elephant.
Second, we grow weary of bullying asshats.
Waving to TSF!
Only the Right kind of Faith will do:
Suzanne @ 12
Who luvs ya, Arnold?
I really think, after the reception Arnold got this weekend at the GOP convention in Indian Wells, he might just say FUCK YOU to the California Republicans and sign AB43.
I have always been amazed at the “sanctity of marraige” arguments put forth against same sex marraige. As if a same sex couple being allowed to marry somehow diminishes my marraige. If these people are so concerned about the sanctity of marraige why are so many of them on their second or third spouse?
When it comes down to brass tacks, marraige is a legal contract between two parties. You can stand in front of any minister from any denomenation who can marry you. But unless and until you file the liscense with the state you are not married. As such it seems to me it is a simple legal discrimination against same sex couples.
Ahnold will likely shoot this down, I think he is still holding out hope that somehow the law will change and he can run for president. He signs this and he can kiss that dream goodbye as a Republican.
You’d think Arnie would be more supportive of gay marriage.
Arnold says: I can’t quit Lou.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 14
or as we say in the patch, couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the directions were wrote on the heel.
wangdangdoodle @ 23
Holy crap, that’s alot to cut off at once! Did you donate the hair? I get the jones to whack my hair off now and then, but mine is so processed and dyed that it is unusuable.
Elliott @ 32
Won’t get fooled again!
wangdangdoodle @ 40
every time!
TeddySanFran @ 35
What Arnold needs to do is pull his head out of his ass and become a democrat. He is one in many ways, so his “leftover” republican habits just get in the way. And yes he’s the gropenator, and yes he’s an asshat, and so what? I ain’t marrying the guy (disgustingly straight and I do apologize for it) and he ain’t marrying my son or daughter or grandson or granddaughter, so who cares? I view politicians as protcologists of the body politic. They have to unpack the crap that regularly jams up the flow of social functionality and get covered in the stuff doing it. As long as he votes progressive and doesn’t indulge his peccadilloes on the unwilling, he’s got my money and vote any day.
wangdangdoodle @ 23
Flash decision or had you been thinking about it for a while?
Are you happy with it?
Fuck Rick Perry.
-GSD
Loo Hoo,
How long is your hair now?
I didn’t think Republicans behaved that way. Don’t they just rattle their jewelry?
GSD @ 44
Too tired. Maybe tomorrow.
madmommy @ 39
Mostly dead ends. It didn’t come out much shorter, though, just layered. Learned it from my crazy ex-old man the drunk, he used to call it the Samurai hair cut.
Oilfieldguy @ 46
Maybe this will solidify Arnold’s vote on Health Care this week.
GSD @ 44
Rick Perry can go fuck himself. I have standards.
Oilfieldguy @ 46
The males only do it in the mens rooms, like peacocks spreading their plumage…
Evening all. Good luck with this Teddy. I know it means a lot to you and many others, but the Rethugs are scared shitless of Teh Gay. Even “moderate” Republicans like der Gropenator won’t touch it with your ten foot pole.
well here’s the solution and while it might not make it to law the first election cycle it WILL make it to law eventually if the democrats take this as their platform;
“the government should not be in the bussiness of deciding religous opinions on behalf of people or on behalf of their clergy
nor should the government be in the bussiness of sanctioning marriage, we cannot tell various religous beliefs what they must or must not believe, that is a choice between a person, their mate, their belief and their clergy.
the state will authorize civil unions and only civil unions, marriage should be sanctioned by those individuals themselves, or by their clergy.
the democrats do not condone nor condemn same sex marriage”
ba da BING
DrDick @ 52
Good Evening, Dr. (pause) Dick!
Loo Hoo. @ 43
Heh. A flash decision I had been thinking about for a while!
althespook @ 24
Wrong link, Al.
Ahnold sold my court ordered worker’s comp rights away to the worker’s comp insurance companies and big business for donations in return. Ahnold wants to be boosh ‘lite’- or at least get access to as many boosh donors as he can swindle.
fucker
There is no such thing as a moderate Republican. Their values lay in things, not in people.
EvilDrPuma @ 50
HA!
Oh! I need to make a correction to the comment I made last night about health care reform in cali. I thought is was a done deal but the vote is in a day or two. It looks very promising but you never know who the insurance companies will bribe well enough.
I don’t mean to suggest that we don’t join the parents and friends in their grief.
And I don’t mean to suggest that the local authorities in Provo did anything other than carry out their duties as best they could.
But why is there ALWAYS a dead white girl around when the MSM needs to distract low-information voters from focusing on the fuckery that’s afoot?
perris @ 53
No, we want and deserve the right to marry. Taking marriage away from other people plays into their “destroying the sanctity of marriage” argument.
Just give us regular marriage like everyone else, please.
Good evening Teddy. Hi pups.
Arnold…Yet another towering pile of fetid political acumen from the Dream Factory’s private preserve, in the tradition of Reagan, George Murphy, Sonny Bono, and now Sir Frederick of Hollywood.
Smack these lollygaggers around some more, Teddy.
;>)
Loo Hoo. @ 56
Oopsie. Try this one.
The males only do it in the mens rooms, like peacocks spreading their plumage…
But when a peacock displays, half the world only sees an ass.
And wassup with that name anyways?
Suzanne @ 58
It’s not like he’s hard up for money. Between his pile and the wife, they’ve got more than they could ever go through in a lifetime. What is it with the never-ending grubbing for the filthy lucre? Heaven knows I’d like to have a bit more in the bank, but at some point it just gets rediculous.
Hiya, Betsy!! Where you bean?
Elliott @ 41
We’ll see. I could be Pollyanna, but I’m thinking the dems have something.
The Bay Area Reporter has a more optimistic take on the chances of Gov S. signing this bill:
We shall see . . .
Suzanne @ 12
Hold up a sec, Suz. What’s up with this guilt-by-association thing?
The horse didn’t do anything wrong.
Suzanne @ 58
Ahnuld is an old fashioned “moderate” Republican. Moderate on social issues (unless it will cost him votes), but solidly in the pockets of the moneyed interests.
Suzanne @ 58
yep. my comments about supporting him were IF he switched…and stopped doing shit like that. Ain’t gonna happen, of course.
That’s exactly what Warren Beatty keeps telling him.
Gay marriage is coming — a lot sooner than later.
But should Arnold sign, Bill and I are going to have a nice quick no-frills wedding.
After all we’ve been together since 1971!
Hiya Texb!
TexBetsy @ 63
Good timing, Betsy. We were just dissing Rick Perry.
wangdangdoodle @ 69
Watching the Giants get injured and lose to the fuckin cowboys.
Loo Hoo. @ 69
I keep hoping so, Loo.
wangdangdoodle @ 23
I’ll take a guess. Is this to let us know you’re drying basil. Or that you found your well-h*ng husband with another woman?
Mary, I’ve had my hair short for about ten years now. Kinky/curly, so it is a lot faster and easier.
Oilfieldguy @ 66
what name? mine?
darkblack @ 64
Don’t forget that fountain of conservative talent….Fred ‘Gopher’ Grandy.
-GSD
David Ehrenstein @ 74
Jeebus David. You must be really, really old.:)
Before ahnold decides what to do about gay marriage, he will pray at the alter of st ronnie, asking himself, what would ronnie do?
TexBetsy @ 77
Must be a bit lonely living in Texas and hating the Cowboys. Personally, I can’t stand em!
EvilDrPuma @ 76
actually we were discussing spicing up his s*x life. Won’t happen, we’re either too tired or have standards…
Loo Hoo. @ 80
I am confused. Who cut their hair?
madmommy @ 86
my nephew is a cowboys fan. this is our second season together.
Suzanne @ 84
Enough said.
wangdangdoodle @ 68
Hey, TexB! Still no Gmail. :(:(
Calleyphornya. The land of fruits and nuts.
(joking prod to TSF)
Suzanne @ 84
Ronnie would ask Rock Hudson what he thinks.
TeddySanFran @ 62
nobody is destoying the sanctity of marriage, marriage is a word that means civil union and everyone married is in a civil union
this is a secular government not a religous government and we have to get religion out of government
marriage should have never been a part of our government and needs to be removed, the government has no bussiness in matters of religion or religous belief
of course the platform needs to be that if marriage isn’t removed from government then any union between consenting adults should enjoy the same rights no matter what their personal preferance is, however government needs to get out of the bussiness of religion and out of our private lives
TexBetsy @ 63
Hi Betsy. How did the Giants game turn out?
TexBetsy @ 88
It does make watching the games together more fun, everybody having a rooting interest.
Oilfieldguy @ 91
Watch who you’re prodding there, OFG — Teddy’s engaged.
marymccurnin @ 83
yeah and they’re also really really married. pieces of paper from some clerk mean nothing in such circumstances. A raise of the glass to David and Bill!
BigMitch @ 95
uuuuummmm. next week will be better.
(foot tapping) so who has sent an email to that ratbastoid ahnold asking him to sign ab43?
greenwarrior @ 79
You crack my shit UP!!
No, just been wanting to do it for a while now. Din’t come out as short as I thought it would, though.
(on edit - it was from an EPU on the previous thread)
althespook @ 81
It’s always about you, isn’t it? (teehee)
No, I was talking about “peacock”, having a Beevis and Butthead moment.
GSD @ 44
ew!
TexBetsy @ 98
Poor Eli. Sometimes it must really suck to be Peyton’s little brother.
Suzanne @ 84
No, he will pray at the only altar that matters to him, the altar of Mammon. He may light a candle to St Ronnie though.
Peterr @ 70
Combined with the tepid reception he got from his “own” party this weekend, and the compromises with yacht-owners he was fairly mocked for to get the budget passed, I think there’s a fair possibility he might sign it. No word yet that I’ve seen, and the papers seems to say only that he’s “expected” to veto it.
Didja all send an email? Arnold likes to think people like him, and that they’ll like him more if he does what they say. I think the reichtards might be asleep on this one; let’s send him lotsa emails and faxes.
****
On another note, many thanks to the mods hereabouts and especially to looseheadprop for her swell sitting-in last Sunday. Mother and I had a wonderful visit in Virginia, although she told many friends I was ‘only here for five days.’ Seemed like seven to me, but I guess she doesn’t count the travel day. All in all, it was a good visit of the right length. Thanks to all for keeping the Sunday Nite Rowdies in line!
yellowdog jim @ 102
Molly Ivins called him Good Hair Perry. It looks plastic.
madmommy @ 104
Eli was fine. Lots of yards. Great completions downfield. One interception. But lousy defense and several injuries.
Oilfieldguy @ 101
Sigh. The generic term is “peafowl”, the male is a “peacock”, the female is a “peahen”.
And yes, it IS all about me. I keep trying to give it to someone else, and they keep refusing. Twits.
marymccurnin @ 87
I did. Upside down, out in the garage.
TexBetsy @ 77
The Post is going to absolutely crucify R.W. McQuarters for letting Dallas’ number four receiver run right by him for the game-clinching touchdown with three minutes to go.
Just stay in bed all day tomorrow, dude.
wangdangdoodle @ 109
her husband escaped injury. this time.
Peafowl.
Isn’t that what Larry Craig was charged for?
-GSD
EDP @ 50
Well said.
wangdangdoodle @ 109
What were you hanging from?
Peterr @ 92
Or Merv.
Suzanne @ 99
I don’t think he listens to Montana voters (especially registered Democrats).
Twain,
The brain is plastic too.
-GSD
GSD @ 112
I believe the charge was “soliciting service above and beyond the call of nature.”
TeddySanFran @ 105
be sure to type slowly and use small words so ahnold will understand your email
teddy, it was a blast working with LHP while you were gone. on behalf of the mod squad, thank you for keeping us informed as to who would be doing what while you were gone.
speaking of being gone…
i’ll be gone after tonight until friday. my mother is planning on abducting me and taking me up her sisters place in martinez where there are no tubes - i have yet to provide a legitimate
excusereason why i can’t go.GSD @ 112
I was *trying* to avoid that one…
Peterr @ 113
Thank you, Reverend.
Suzanne @ 119
can one of us kidnap you? with your permission of course?
wangdangdoodle @ 109
I don’t think I’ve played this version of Clue.
Arnold, you serial groper, sign AB 43 and quit lecturing on family values.
[Where you’re about as credible as Cheney on gun safety.]
And then sign SB 840 - State Sen. Sheila Kuehl’s third try to get single-payer universal health care past the wizened CA Rethugs sacrificing babies to their twisted free-market gods.
The same program you vetoed last session - condemning hundreds of Californians to early death and thousands to irreversible damage from neglected treatable disease.
Arnold - you married into the extended Kennedy clan. You’re a movie star.
You have more money than God.
You and your family will never have to worry about health care.
The rest of us do have to worry.
So, muscle-man, quit bending over for the troll wing of the failing GOP and start standing up for the voters.
Support and sign SB 840 for universal health care, you selfish ambitious bastard.
And sign AB 43, you ass-grabbing defender of family values.
Jeebus, what a bronzed tool.
Do something for the people outside of Brentwood and Malibu - just to show us you can reach out for more than a waitress’ ass.
Reach out on behalf of someone else - all of us
…even if it will cost you.
After all, you can honk off Big Insurance and Big Fundamentalism, can’t you?
You’re a hero - right?
marymccurnin @ 114
I was bent over.
(go ahead, have at it, just remember… there could be teenagers about)
Suzanne @ 99
Again with the foot-tapping! Haven’t we had enough foot-tapping for a while? Do I need to turn you over to Airport Police Officer Dave Karsnia (swoon)?
EvilDrPuma @ 123
Upside down, in the garage, with the well-endowed husband!
Welcome, EDP!
Sending those emails - I wanna dance at your wedding Teddy!
Suzanne @ 119
All this cleaning and she’s not even staying with you!!!
Haven’t you heard? 60 is the new 40.
Only one more thing to say before I go back to work. Will be back when I finish writing my article for this quarter’s client newsletter.
{{{PEDRO}}}
David Ehrenstein @ 131
And 40 is just 20 with 20 yrs experience.
EvilDrPuma @ 123
It’s because the weapon was left out: . . . with the pruning shears.
Suzanne @ 84
Don’t make me show that picture of Nancy again, Suz.
David Ehrenstein @ 130
My boss says 70 is the new 30. as i’m 65, I agree most whole heartedly.
TexBetsy @ 107
Yeah, I had the game on in the background. It just seems that he has a huge standard to reach, being in the same line of work as his brother. Though from all I have read and heard, the 3 brothers are tight and their momma and daddy raised them right. Though I’m still hacked off at Peyton for hangin a butt-kicking on the Saints Thursday :0(
Fern @ 129
nope, but i am cooking a big meal for her and my stepdad on tuesday.
marymccurnin @ 87
WangDangDoodle. Eleven inches of split ends. ;)
Possibly.
1967 was a great year for me. Plenty of interesting boyfriends in New York in those days.
The drugs were better too.
If he vetoes the bill Arnold will say:
I vant to apallogize to all de kweeyahs. It’s nuthing personal, I haf an image to keep up.
-GSD
Siun @ 128
Can we get emptywheel and Pach to live-blog it?
TeddySanFran @ 126
spew
i’m so over that whole men in uniform thing, teddy.
althespook @ 135
Well then, that means I’m not old enough to drink cuz I’m only 11.
i sent an email tsf but it was returned as i’m not a cali resident…but i figured it was worth trying … here in NJ we finally got civil unions approved ;o
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Suzanne @ 119
Cold turkey-that’s harsh.
Siun @ 128
I’ll send a wedding present. Maybe some authentic Montana Huckleberry products.
Ronnie Reagan knew plenty of gay men in Hollywood. In fact he played on in Dark Victory.
And Nancy’s godmother was legendary uberdyke Alla Nazimova.
One would think fdl would have strong readership on the left coast. It would be a nice jab in the eye for all the self-haters in the Republican party to sign this bill.
Personally, I feel gay marriage will come to pass. I recall Pach writing a piece awhile back whining that he thought his “gaydar” was getting weak. With the advent of the “metro-sexual” signalled a small shift in a sexual culture.
My kids and all of their friends view sexual orientation the same as they someone who is left-handed. Just no big woop.
Just keep applying good old fashioned pressure.
wangdangdoodle @ 143
You can sit at the kids table with Cassie, and then swipe all the half-full wine glasses when dinner is over and sneak out to the garage with them.
For years Quakers went through a heartfelt discussion on recognizing a marriage between two people regardless of gender. They are really a pretty conservative group of people - moderation in all things. Lunch is a frugal meal, a rejection of gluttony.
Well, we met many times in Quaker dialogue to meditate and speak to same sex marriage. We listened carefully to each voice as the individual spoke. There seemed to be truth and conflict in each as we searched our conscience.
After numerous sessions, we came to the consensus that the meeting would bless a marriage of two people of the same sex.
All Quaker marriages are common law marriages because we have no ministers or figure of authority, each being equal to the other. Those present at the ceremony sign as witnesses that these two people exchanged vows. We send the document to the state.
The problem is with the state even when a religious body recognizes the union between two people. I cannot imagine how difficult it must be for a group of politicians to address this issue without searching their own considerations, prejudices, fears and concerns to understand what motivates us to wrestle with this ancient rite.
For women, marriage has not been a kind contract throughout history. She was a bartering pawn between two families or a political alliance or a business agreement. Her purpose was to produce an heir and even that was no assurance of her safety. She was owned, a piece of property. Who do I know who has not been divorced after many years of marriage. Pavarotti bid his wife of many years good-bye and took a new wife 30 years younger. My daughter is on her third marriage. I think I know three people who have not kissed the marriage contract good-bye.
Perhaps this is part of the dilemma. Most of our legislators can’t figure out why anyone would want to marry in the first place.
Personally, I think I would rather have gone to the nunnery.
David Ehrenstein @ 139
They don’t make ‘em like they use’ta!!
marymccurnin @ 114
A fruit tree. Like TRex’s fruit bats that look just like Cindy Loo Hoo.
BTW, my daughter tells me Brittany Spears will be making her comeback here in a few minutes on the Video Music Awards. HA!
TeddySF @ 25
I really think, after the reception Arnold got this weekend at the GOP convention in Indian Wells, he might just say FUCK YOU to the California Republicans and sign AB43.
I think he might bolt the Rethugs too, at least on this long overdue issue. He is married to a Kennedy, his chief of staff is a brilliant woman and a democrat and it is simply the right thing to do.
David Ehrenstein @ 130
I actually got married at the age of 19 in 1969. I would still be married to the dude but he went to Jeebus a long time ago.
And I wish 60 was the new 40. I think its more like 60 is the new 57. That is what my bones are telling me.
And you haven’t even mentioned starting T…much less living “as if”.
Mangirlfriend - what a drastic transition.Should we just call you “dangdoodle” from here on out?
Twain @ 107
molly:
Demos need to grow spine
molly lives
Here’s the piece I wrote about gay marriage — several years back.
It’s official. Liberals are smarter.
I sent my email to the gropenator… anyone else?
OT Michael Gordon has another article up at the NYT.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09.....ref=slogin
No matter how dishonest Gordon is he always manages to out do himself. This is a prime example of fellatory kneepad journalism at its best. Judy would be so proud. Here are some snippets:
Yes, folks, we are officially in the Friedman zone.
This is the “throw a bone to John Warner (the 4,000 troops out by Christmas) and a return to pre-surge troops levels next year only when there are no more troops to keep it going” strategy. Gordon has the chutzpah to say that Petraeus’ plan will “begin troop reductions somewhat earlier than many experts had anticipated.” Yeah, right, by what? 15 minutes? Really the way Gordon lies he must wear asbestos pants to keep from combusting. Oh, and the draw down to the pre-surge 130,000 may take until August or it may not happen at all (depending on conditions on the ground). In fact, Petraeus is planning to keep us heavily engaged in Iraq well into 2009.
I’m assuming we can trust him on this. Just like we could trust him on how much progress he was making training Iraqi troops back in 2004. Apparently the idea is that we have been making so much progress in Iraq over the last 4 1/2 years that we should not cut short our successes there. Indeed think how much more progress will be made there if we stay there at least 6 1/2 years as Petraeus is suggesting.
Gordon does mention Petraeus’ comical cop out in his letter to the troops that on the political front things have “not worked out as we had hoped” but hastens to polish the turd by reminding us of Petraeus’ claim that we have the “tactical momentum.”
Gordon finishes up in kind of a disorganized ramble. He points out that violence (left undefined) is going down but if it goes up, it is not Petraeus’ fault but Ramadan’s.
And, of course, what Gordon piece would be complete without anonymous attributions?
“Some Pentagon officials would like to see . . .”
“But some military officers in Iraq say . . .”
In short, Bill Keller and Michael Gordon continue their shameless warwhoring. Why, oh why could Bill Keller not have found a paper where he would have felt more at home, one where he could run stories about the three-headed boy, alien abductions, and Elvis fathered my child from the dead? Why did he have to inflict his editorial vision on what used to be a real newspaper?
wangdangdoodle @ 109
With the scissors.
GSD @ 112
LOL
marymccurnin @ 114
Laughing and still laughing!
juslin @ 144
And New Jersey and UPS are teaching us that civil unions aren’t marriage, with their cadging and cheating people of their benefits who aren’t “spouses.”
(Just watched Britney Spears end her career opening the Video Music Awards)
kirk murphy @ 155
That just wouln’t be right.
:)
BigMitch @ 158
I saw this today. The problem, it seems to me, is that to conservatives, there is nothing wrong with seeing only black and white. It makes it so much easier to justify their wrong-headed positions. To a conservative, being able to see different sides to a problem only indicates weakness.
oh.
nevermind
BigMitch @ 158
We’re better looking, too!
madmommy @ 166
Proud to be liberal! Proud to look at both sides!
TeddySanFran @ 164
Oh, NO! I have to go back to church now? There is a God?
TeddySanFran @ 164
How bad was it?
wangdangdoodle @ 168
Well, yes. Now that that split-ends thing has been taken care of.
David Ehrenstein @ 157
Thanks, David. Just finished reading it.
I know this is OT, but I had to pass it on.
Ever get so frustrated with (insert stuff here like job, boss, traffic, sports team, etc.) that you’d love to smack somethin’, but being avowedly progressive, there’s no way on doG’s green earth you could take it out on somethin’ living?
Well, here’s the solution for all your aggro: Whack a Computer Puppet.
No muss, no fuss. No blood and guts. Just use your mouse and swing the cursor at the puppet. Now swing it even faster, back and forth. Up and down. Faster and faster.
Feel better now?
AZ Matt @ 19
After all those steroids? Ain’t no huevos left…
BigMitch @ 172
You guys just have no idea of the crap we have to deal with!
madmommy @ 171
Somewhere, Kevin Federline is laughing. An out-of-shape, out-of-touch Britney Spears delivered what was destined to be the most talked about performance of the MTV Video Music Awards _ but for all the wrong reasons.
Kicking off the show Sunday night with her new single, “Gimme More,” Spears looked bleary and unprepared, much like her recent tabloid exploits on the streets of Los Angeles. She walked through her dance moves with little enthusiasm. She appeared to have forgotten the art of lip-synching. And, perhaps most unforgivable given her once-taut frame, she looked embarrassingly out of shape.
Even the celebrity-studded audience seemed bewildered. 50 Cent looked at Spears with a confused look on his face; Diddy, her new best friend, was expressionless. (From HuffPo)
madmommy @ 176
Yes I do. Had very long (and curly) hair for years.
Geraldo Rivera once again proves that he is one of America’s most loyal bushie. He reported on the arrest of Alex Jones, by calling protesters “anarchists”, but the Fox team is ready for any violence. Even worse, these are some of the “least attractive” protesters he has ever seen.
Geraldo gets more nasty. “I think these demonstrators are all into rest room gay sex”. Here are the “unattractive demonstrators”.
First, Homeland Security comes after 9-11 Truthers.
BigMitch @ 172
I see by your little blue effie that you are an expert on split ends.
;)
And (with a far higher proportion of vegetarians/vegans) better tasting.
BigMitch @ 177
And the worst part is it is likely her kids will be in rehab before they hit 16. Just because you can breed, doesn’t mean you should.
Mad Dogs @ 174
I bought one of those blow up Bush bopper clowns. Beat it so hard, I burst its seam.
BigMitch @ 177
KO is gonna have a field day!
wangdangdoodle @ 180
Mine split a long time ago. I used to have wavy hair, and it waved good-bye. I went bald because God punished me for making fun of my father’s baldness. (At least that’s what I tell my kids.)
Petraeus is fast becoming the “Sonny Tufts?!?!!” of BushCo.
Mad Dogs @ 174
Gawd. I feel soooooooooo much better now.
perris @ 93
Can’t agree with you there. Surrendering to their redefinition of marriage won’t help any more than any other surrender. We’ve had civil marriage for a long time, and marriage isn’t “the business of religion.” Government has been involved in marriage for centuries because marriage fundamentally exists for purposes of inheritance. (For example, that’s the Catholic church stopped allowing priests to marry — because they were wealthy and more concerned with their heirs than the Church, not because of sex.)
And furthermore, it won’t work because the wingnuts don’t actually care about marriage, they care about Teh Gay. The idiotic “marriage amendment” passed here in VA last year even prohibits all contracts that in any way emulate the rights of marriage. If generic “civil unions” become the new norm, you’ll just hand them the ability to do another round of stirring up the base with amendments to prohibit that.
Blessing of a marriage is the business of religion, and churches are perfectly free to choose which marriages they will bless. But accepting that marriage is a purely religious institution isn’t compromise, it’s surrender. No thanks.
kirk murphy @ 181
Hmmm. When I was in Oklahoma, we did say that vegetarians were what was for lunch. ;-)
DrDick @ 178
Did you color it? Blow it dry? Straighten it every morning with a blow dryer and flat iron? Just sayin’ ;0)
newtonusr @ 184
not to mention darkblack (shrudder)
David Ehrenstein @ 74
Congratulations, David! I hope he signs it.
madmommy @ 171
My daughter was howling at how bad she was. Not even really singing, she said.
David Ehrenstein @ 157
Thanks, David. Neo-Strindbergian agony is an exquisite phrase.
OldCoastie @ 159
If anyone needs a valid zipcode, 94114 and 94117 work here in SF.
surrender, Ahnold.
madmommy @ 190
Nope just went wild and free.
GSD @ 18
Actually Townsend said bin Ladin was “virtually impotent”. I was wondering how she would know such an intimate detail without personal knowledge or maybe she was confusing him with Bush. Either way it casts new light on how she has been spending her time.
What was Alex Jones arrested for?
95006 is available in boulder creek, ca which uses po boxes fyi
DrDick @ 190
texan:
tried that vegetarian diet.
had to quit.
once you dress ‘em out,
there just ain’t that much meat on a vegetarian.
DrDick @ 197
And that is why most guys with long hair have hair that is prettier than ours. Not all, of course, there’s always that guy with the forehead that goes all the way back but still has a ring of long greasy hair tied into a pony in the back.
I occasionally think about becoming a vegetarian. Then I don’t.
The witching hour has caught up with me, early. Must hit the shower so I can plant my shrubs tomorrow morning (not that shrub). Molly Ann is wagging her tail patiently at me. So, good night all you good people.
yellowdog jim @ 201
ROTFLMAO!
marymccurnin @ 203
LOL
Good night to you Quakergirl.
madmommy @ 206
Cause I likes me some crawfish.
marymccurnin @ 203
My vegan son has just moved in with me and assumed all cooking and diet planning duties. I’m loving this new style of eating.
To bed for me as well. The big yellow bus comes mighty early in the morning.
BigMitch @ 209
That’s what I need! A cook!!!!!!
waving g’nite to all the leaving sleepy pups
Redshift @ 188
I accept all of your points, my position is there must be marriage for all where there is marriage for anyone…if govenrment recognizes marriage at all, then all are equally entitled to that refognigition
my additional position is this is a secular government and marriage is religous, all religious ceremony and and recognition of religous ceremony needs to be taken out of our government
we don’t recognize the sabbath, we recognize the day of worship
that is a precise analogy
whatever benefits of marriage need to be honored by the unions that are recognized by the government
the government needs to recognize civil unions and they need not to recognize marriage
this is not retreat, our government needs to eliminate relion, one of the reasons we are becoming a theocracy is because the door is open…we need to close that door…no religion in government
but as I say, so long as the government is in the bussiness of marriage then all who want marriage need equal protection under the law, I am saying the word marriage needs to be removed from our law
good night, Quaker Girl.
Good luck with the (wanted) shrubs.
Sweet dreams, Molly Ann.
marymccurnin @ 208
MMmmmm, mudbugs!
Night Madmom.
Night QG & MM.
Merci, TeddySanFran!
GSD @ 112
Wide stance toe tapping without due care and attention, and flagrant hand signalling for the game misconduct.
;>)
Marriage is a contract, pure and simple. Well, maybe not so pure.
wangdangdoodle @ 199
I do disagree with much of Alex Jones libertarian positions. But I think he raises important issues about 9-11. His website prsionplanet.com says “unspecified charges”. But Geraldo said the unattractive protestors did not have a permit. I think Jones has been released.
QuakerGirl @ 204
g’nite, QG, and thanks for sharing your meeting’s story.
darkblack @ 219
Can you imagine how Larry Craig’s head must be spinning now.
And I wonder if his wife lets him out of the house?
As you might expect that Tearoom has become a major tourist attraction. Guys are going in with their cell phone cameras and taking pictures of themselves to put up on the net.
Oilfieldguy @ 91
Ya forgot the flakes, OFG!!! ;-)
Good night, Quaker Girl. Enjoyed your tale of meeting up to discuss gay marriage.
marymccurnin @ 220
Anthropologically speaking, it is simply a social and legal contract. In many, perhaps most, cultures marriage not religious at all, though the couple may be blessed as an adjunct to the marriage. This is for instance the case in Islam, where marriage is simply a civil contract like any other.
perris @ 93
DrDick @ 227
Leave it to the catholics (I guess they did it first) to make it all fancy and god filled. Who wants God in their bedroom anyway? He is never satisfied.
DrDick @ 227
And who are the parties to the contract in Islam? The man and the woman, or is she represented by her father?
Nite, Sleepers, dayam, I had to make a whole ‘nother batch of Parmigiani, so I could eat…!!! 8-(
marymccurnin @ 229
IIRC, even in Christianity, marriage only became a sacrament relatively late.
CTuttle @ 231
CT, mcc is looking for a cook. do you do take out?
marymccurnin @ 229
Mary - on fire tonight! LOL!
Oh come on now — you think she isn’t wise? She married him AFTER that 1982 announcement he made that he wasn’t involved in the page scandal. His name hadn’t been mentioned. Meaning of course that he WAS fucking pages.
She had three kids from a previous marriage that went south, so (to quote Cole Porter) a lady needs a rest. And with Larry she got one as it was quite obviously a Triumph of the Will & Grace marraige
David Ehrenstein @ 234
How did those kids turn out, (he asked all innocently.)
omg, David, that needs to be a Before and After clue on Jeopardy.
Well he does manage to get in because after all what does everyone say when they’re doin’ it right?
“OH GOD!!!!”
David Ehrenstein @ 234
She is not letting him out of the house cause he got caught not cause he is gay.
This is interesting. According to prisonplanet.com, Alex Jones was arrested because Geraldo Rivera snitched on him.
I suppose since we are discussing religion that it’s important to point out the correct title of AB43: Religious Freedom & Civil Marriage Protection Act
marymccurnin @ 223
And if you were his wife you’d want him in the house? Eeww!
Total Train Wrecks. The daughter’s ex-hubster has a restraining order out against her and one of the sons has been involved with under-age girls.
althespook @ 233
Gotta ask the better half…!!! ;-)
BigMitch @ 230
It actually depends on the circumstances (and there is considerable local variation). For first marriages, the contract is actually between the two families (represented by the pater familias). In many areas, however, women may directly enter into marriage contracts for any subsequent marriages. This is not an unusual arrangement in societies where marriages involve the whole families (used to be true of southern Europe, Jews, Chinese, and Japanese for instance). For the record the groom is also represented by his father, unless he is an older man.
Drive by …
Check this out
http://www.newsreview.com/sacr.....oid=481474
Does he doth protest too much?
Meanwhile back Teh Surge:
TPM points out the following interesting things:
The numbers needed to prove Teh Surge is working: classified.
The methodology needed to prove the method of acquiring the classified numbers that prove Teh Surge is working: classified.
The paper explaining that all elements of the information involving in Teh Surge’s workings are classified: classified.
Sounds like bellyfeel doubleplusgoodthink to me! IngSoc is pleased! Ignorance Is Strength!
On June 21st, 2007, people from across the country will be gathering at Millennium Park, Chicago to begin an 800-mile march to Washington, DC. They will demand an immediate withdrawal of US Troops from Iraq and the impeachment of those leaders who oppose it..
March of the People to Appear in Washington Post
Posted- September 8, 2007
September 8, 2007 - March of the People walkers Mario Penalver, Elliott Nesch, and Gordy Heuer began the next leg of their journey in Beltsville on Saturday morning. The trio met up with Dan Morse from The Washington Post and a photographer, who followed them south on Route 1 in the blazing heat.
The journalists meticulously gathered information for a story to appear in Sunday’s issue of the paper (September 9 - Don’t Miss It!) and followed them for so long that the marchers had to help the two gentlemen flag down a ride back to their car.
We hope that act of kindness gives us an extra inch (or two) of publicity.
Don’t forget to hit the newsstands first thing tomorrow!
Thanks for your support.
http://marchofthepeople.org/index.php
greenwarrior @ 242
He is wistfully spending a lot of time in the master bath practicing hand signals.
Suzanne @ 191
I save my treatments for those with real power and effect upon the people’s lives, S. - Celebrities are penultimately uninteresting to me…Vapid meat, animated by greed and vanity to portray cardboard cutout characters or warble tuneless ditties, whilst displaying their unfunky bones in a choreographed fashion.
For me, it would be like shooting aquarium fish with an antitank weapon.
;>)
David Ehrenstein @ 238
That is also how Ghod gets into funerals, because it is usually what the star of said funeral says just before they hit the truck.
David Ehrenstein @ 243
Details here.
In traditional Jewish thought, there is a God-centered way of eating (keeping kosher), God-centered ways of marking the beginning and end of the week (Shabbat) and even God-centered ways of relating as husband and wife. Called laws of marital purity. Yes, it does bring God into the bedroom.
greenwarrior @ 242
AFAIK, she lives in Chicago and he lives in D.C. The twain never meet, much less have nookie.
I can hardly blame Him…
Waiting 2,000 years for your Second Coming, would you be satisfied?
marymccurnin @ 229
Catholics created God in their own image. ;-)
One important contribution that Catholics have made to these discussions is to distinguish between “matrimony,” which to them is the sacrament of God’s ratification of a (male/female) union, and “marriage,” which is the corresponding civil ratification of such unions. So, God can choose what kinds of unions he wants to ratify as “matrimony.” And the State can choose which it wants to ratify as “marriage.”
End of problem …. if they’d fucking drop it there.
althespook @ 233
And do your wife and kids show proper appreciation?
Yep. AHnuld was trade in his youth.
Hey ya gotta get financing if you want a bodybuilding career. And if a Latin American millionaire wants to sleep with you on select occasions, well. . .
marymccurnin @ 221
once upon a time i studied the “Marriage Contract” theory:
ever seen a marriage contract?
try to write one?
1) marriage contract is not a contract between the marrieds.
2) they have no say in the provisions of the contract.
3) they do not know what the provisions are.
some “contract”.
the state writes the provisions.
the contract is between the state and the couple.
no one tells the couple.
divorce is breaking the contract with the state.
if you want a divorce, you ask the state.
if you get a divorce, it is the state that grants you one.
the provisions are scattered all through the civil and criminal law.
kirk murphy @ 254
yair but at least he’ll be wearing an Armani suit!
TexBetsy @ 252
yes but that’s God, not Ghod. God is our way of accessing and anthropmorphizing the vast positive infinity from which we all dimly remember coming. Ghod is a creation of the lack of harmony of this place and time, used to defile and damage persons rather than uplift and heal them. If there is indeed a Satan, then Ghod is almost certainly its aspect in our daily lives. (And there is a peculiar comment by Paul in the New Testament which says exactly that if you read it in the original koine greek.)
althespook @ 247
*sputter* …but the dirty masses aren’t buying it…!!!
kirk murphy @ 256
As adolescents, my brother and I used to laugh at local billboards that said “Jesus is coming.”
darkblack @ 249
darkblack, you’re even more devastating with words than you are with pictures.
;)
althespook @ 247
Like so much of what they do, it is ultimately pointless. We all know Petraeus is making it up.
Cue Abe Lincoln.
Loo Hoo. @ 257
The Wife, nitely… the keiki, only when it’s their fave…!!! *sigh* *g*
On who?
Well, it’s off to bed for me. Got to get up and warp young minds again tomorrow. Take care and enjoy the snark, but don’t eat the vegetarians (except in a mutually supportive, consensual way of course).
Oh, if there were ever a time that story would have … legs …. the Craig Days of summer have to be it.
Just in time for the AB 43 signing window.
Sure hope DWT and other blogospheric lights hear more of Ahhnuld’s early funding base.
perris @ 213
Agreed.
Here is where we part ways.
But it isn’t, and that’s my point. Government doesn’t recognize either the sabbath or the day of worship. We (mostly) don’t work on Sundays because there used to be a much greater entanglement between government and religion (blue laws and such) which has been slowly stripped away but has left habits and patterns even after it’s gone.
But government regulation of marriage doesn’t exist because of past entanglement between government and religion, it exists because marriage is a legal institution with tremendous interconnections in our legal system, and has been for centuries. Changes in marriage (married women’s right to own property, interracial marriages being prohibited or allowed, etc.) have been civil changes, not religious changes. The idea that marriage is purely religious is a bogus idea created entirely to enable religious intrusion into government, and should be rejected for that reason alone.
G’nite, Dr… Dick.
You know if you spell god backwards, it comes out sdrawkcab dog.
Good night DrDick.
DrDick @ 268
Good night, Dr. (pause) Dick.
And mutually supportively consensually consuming one another is called Tantric sex. (Dr. Jung, line one. Ram Das, Line Two.)
A number of years back — way before he had designs on being the Guv — there was an AHnuld bio that went into some detail about his extra-professional dalliances. But he had enough power tomexpurgate those passages for the U.S. edition.
Redshift @ 188
No, marriage clearly has many aspects the state is interested in including property rights and inheritance. But the way I see it, marriage needs to be split into two aspects. There’s the legal aspects of a marriage, which needs to be collected and reframed into a specific legal partnership between any two (or more) people. Then there needs to be, as you say (which is really the best way I’ve seen it put), the “blessing” of the marriage by individual churches which are free to choose the parameters under which they will bless a particular legal union.
There are legal and religious aspects to any marriage, and these need to be seperated out. Not that I think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of this happening anytime soon…
althespook @ 247
But the business of any possible oversight being out-of-bounds due to the classified nature of EVERYTHING has always worked out so well. Why wouldn’t it work for this little exercise?
In our household, the National Lampoon’s “Ascension of our Blessed Lord’s Foreskin into Heaven” was a favorite.
My brother and mom and I laughed ’til we cried.
Wonder why my mom says she’s glad she only had sons ’cause we’d have warped a sister’s values?
Speaking of he marriage contract and Jewish thought, the nicest piece of art in my house is the marriage contract between me and my second wife. (I got to keep it in the divorce.)
The Jewish contract, in Aramaic, is called a Ketubah. And it has a liquidated damages clause in cases of divorce.
DrDick @ 269
Heh, I went vegan tonite! G’nite, DD!!!
David Ehrenstein @ 267
That would be “on whom?”
kirk murphy @ 280
Being your sibling she would have loved it.
peanutbutter @ 278
the state also takes an interest in the welfare of the offspring of marriage.
David Ehrenstein @ 276
I would view it as his backers in the hollywood system had the power. Ahnold was bankable for quite a while, and we don’t want our bankable stars to lose value.
I sure hope someone who knows the title is looking for foreign editions.
Wonder if Powell’s in Portland could do a global search…..
Packin’ it in, y’all have fun in the Late Late!
Wow, The server just told me to ’slow it down cowboy!’ Vas Los? I’m a hunt and pecker…!!! ;-)
Sleep calling. I’ve been enjoying y’all so much here at the lake the last few days I hate to leave.
Some vegan noodle dishes for tonight’s snack.
I pray to Our Lady Of Perpetual Motion, the patron saint of fatass truck drivers.
g’nite wangdang
ct, if you try to comment more than once a minute you will get that. perhaps you clicked the submit comment button twice instead of once - it will come up to prevent an accidental double post.
Nite, WangDang and GW!!!
wangdangdoodle @ 287
Night, WDD!
greenwarrior @ 289
sleep well. hopefully, we’ll be here when you get back.
Catholics created God in their own image. ;-)
One important contribution that Catholics have made to these discussions is to distinguish between “matrimony,” which to them is the sacrament of God’s ratification of a (male/female) union, and “marriage,” which is the corresponding civil ratification of such unions. So, God can choose what kinds of unions he wants to ratify as “matrimony.” And the State can choose which it wants to ratify as “marriage.”
End of problem …. if they’d fucking drop it there.
Brilliant, wigwam.
g’ntie greenwarrior - glad you are back to fighting strength again
yellowdog jim @ 284
Hmmm. Inheritance? Although offspring of non marriage unions do factor in, at least in some states.
CTuttle @ 288
I just locked up also. thot it was late late nite, but not.
CTuttle @ 288
That’s what got the good Senator from Idaho in trouble.
laterness
With 11″ to spare, your Late Late is likely to be a lot more fun than most…
Night WangDang. Just think, your hair won’t be getting caught up in your arms tonight! Have a peaceful sleep.
yellowdog jim @ 284
There is an entire area called “family law” in which marriage is a very important contract. For example, IIRC, in many states, a husband is obliged to support any child his wife delivers during their marriage regardless of the child’s biologically established paternity. And, in such cases, the biological father has no automatic custody/visitation rights.
Thanks TexBetsy!
And there’s a shiny alomst-new tofu-lovin’ thread upstairs….
wangdangdoodle @ 264
Aw, shucks
;>)
Done and sent to Ahnald, thanks TSF for the direct and easy link.
When the bastids deny others their rights, they deny me MY rights. Bastids. Harumph.
Here’s hoping . . .
Has something happened to Firedoglake?
I’m just going to stick a message of concern into a virtual bottle and toss it into the lake; Has the lake disappeared? I see from a comment above that a new thread is up. But all I seem to find is this post about Ahhnold. If someone finds this message, please come to my rescue. I do not wish to be stuck with Ahhnold! That would not be limbo, but something more akin to hell.
[Mod: We are here in full flower. Not sure what the problem is there. Perhaps close down and restart your browser. Good luck.]
Thank you, will try that again. Very relieved all is well. Small spasm of paranoia. (shudder!) [Mod: We’re waiting for you up here.]