Second in an infinite series. Here we present the previous week’s most charming instances of right-wing dishonesty, lunacy, mendacity, hackery, buffoonery, Albigensianism, fabrication, rhetorical or literal auto-erotic asphyxiation, or just plain old-fashioned dumbassery. Remember that the Rules, which are sternly inflexible yet strangely bendable, stipulate that the wingnutty bullshit in question must exhibit “the same quality of ebullient, vaguely hateful, yet strangely entertaining nonsense that characterizes the dialogue in a Patrick Swayze movie of the caliber of Road House or Red Dawn.” For this reason we must, lamentably, disqualify the inability of the leader of the free world to distinguish between Austria and Australia; likewise, we must also dismiss Charles Krauthammer’s incapacity to discern his ass from his elbow. Appalling as such gibberish might be, neither quite rises to the level of “it’s my way or the highway” or “This place has a sign hangin’ over the urinal that says, ‘Don’t eat the big white mint.’” I trust that is perfectly clear?
So below are the three contenders. Vote for your favorite in comments. Choose swiftly: remember, you’ll sleep when you’re dead.
First, we have the giddy, giggly chucklefascism of the lesser lights of the Right Blogosphere, who have taken to insinuating that anyone who has the Unmitigated Gall to even blink sideways at the Shining Integrity of General Petraeus… hates the troops. Eeeeek! Why? Because, well, General Petraeus is The Troops:
I want them to begin to belittle General Patraus and Crocker before the American people, calling them in effect “liars”, because they won’t be able to do so without slandering the very troops in combat that they say they support.
So be properly deferential to General “Troops” Petraeus, you un-American swine, you. He is all the Troops, at once. He is a man of many uniforms, of many ranks, and it would seem, at least two genders. He is vast, and contains multitudes. Hence: Show some respect, you rabble, you. (Spelling his name correctly is apparently optional, though, or so it seems.)
Our second entry comes to us via Stranger, who gazes in admiration, or perhaps horror, at Mr. Straight-Talking Expresser himself, St. John of Arizona:
Osama bin Laden and his henchmen must be hunted down — and as president, I will. Al Qaeda terrorists and the violent, aggressive ideology they propagandize must be defeated across the globe, in Afghanistan and in Iraq, which bin Laden’s top lieutenant calls al Qaeda’s central battlefront against the United States. My presidency will be al Qaeda’s worst nightmare.
In fairness, his presidency at this point does indeed have a certain dreamlike quality to it. That aside, I’m not myself totally clear on exactly why swearing to continue the same policies that have been ineffective thus far against Al Qaeda for six years and counting is supposed to cost them all that much sleep. It is a Mystery.
Finally, and a bit farther off the beaten path, wandering around the Ole Perfesser’s Corncob n’ Biscuit Emporium via a Blue Texan link, we discover something from the Men’s Movement, which remains the single most hilarious movement in the history of movements. I give you the spike-chinned Jeff Zaslow in the Wall Street Journal Online (now with extra crazy!):
These days, if Rian Romoli accidentally bumps into a child, he quickly raises his hands above his shoulders. “I don’t want to give even the slightest indication that any inadvertent touching occurred,” says Mr. Romoli, an economist in La Cañada Flintridge, Calif.
Ted Wallis, a doctor in Austin, Texas, recently came upon a lost child in tears in a mall. His first instinct was to help, but he feared people might consider him a predator. He walked away. “Being male,” he explains, “I am guilty until proven innocent.”
In San Diego, retiree Ralph Castro says he won’t allow himself to be alone with a child — even in an elevator.
Last month, I wrote about how our culture teaches children to fear men. Hundreds of men responded, many lamenting that they’ve now become fearful of children. They said they avert their eyes when kids are around, or think twice before holding even their own children’s hands in public.
Clearly, all of these men are horribly oppressed. I am especially tickled by the sorry tale of the doctor who scurries away from the lost, crying kid in the mall. “You little punk! I bet your lawyer mom put you up to this!” But it gets even better:
It’s true that men are far more likely than women to be sexual predators. But our society, while declining to profile by race or nationality when it comes to crime and terrorism, has become nonchalant about profiling men. Child advocates are advising parents never to hire male babysitters. Airlines are placing unaccompanied minors with female passengers.
You have to be amazed at the resourcefulness of the American Conservatives: they can always find something… unusual… to whine about.




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2
teh zed!
dang Steve, you beat me again *g*
4 or 5
Aaaaarg. Thunderstorm hit as I was about to hit “publish,” knocked me offline for a bit…
“WES-LEY!!!”
I figured with Mitch around, the 1 was hopeless.
welcome back online, thers – glad to see your wingnut crap of the week
i think the last one is this week’s winner – uh, loser – uh crap.
Great moments in wingnuttery to choose from tonight. Now let me ponder a while…
I’d be happy to post something on-topic, but …
a bear fell on me.
LoudounLib @ 3
I am 1050 miles closer to the server.
Steve-AR @ 11
ah ha! The secret is out!
Zaslow. “Slander-the-troops” rhetoric and worthless big-talk from McCain are par for the course, but Zaslow is truly insidious.
Suzanne @ 8
The winning loser? The Satrap of Crap?
still in the Great White North, burns?
Steve-AR @ 7
He must be distracted with his snoopy dance for the evil empire’s victory…!!!
This thread definitely needs some Jeff Healey.
Woo-hoo, Hawaii wins in OT, what a squeaker…!!!
LoudounLib @ 15
Got home about midnight last night, LL.
How you doing?
burnspbesq @ 10
ya mean… a bear – like a big brown bear with big teeth and claws? or more like a teddy bear, full of stuffin’…?
Doing well burns, thanks — how about you? Hope your trip was successful. Oh, and thanks for the Healey!
Evening everyone.
“Wingnut crap?”
Sometimes, the lowest-hanging fruit are the sweetest.
My vote is the last one.
My nominee for most FUBAR event of the week:
Mike Nifong does ONE DAY in jail.
WTF?
*shakes head*
So many nuts and so few wings! If they would but take the bus that would be OK.
I’ll go with General Everyrank. I guess just because the occupation is the overall screw-up that is causing all of the other screw-ups. Guess we’re spending over there so we don’t have to spend over here.
Gotta give it to you though, Thers. The men who are scared of children does raise (?) the bar.
I don’t know if this counts, but the nasty fascist rag that purports to be our local newspaper seems to have gotten rid of the Coultergeist column. She has been replaced by . . . drum roll please: K-LO!
LoudounLib @ 3
Just don’t mess with WangDangDoodle!
OldCoastie @ 20
A stuffed grizzly on a wheeled platform (have you never seen Road House?).
welcome back online, thers
Hee hee. No mere storm can stop the snark!
Evening all. I think I have to vote for the repressed GOP pedophiles of America. I cannot imagine being “afraid” to be with a child, but then I don’t have dirty thoughts about them.
And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name?
And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. (Luke 8:30)
I too have to go with Door Number 3.
And why, do we believe it’s the Guys who are the preditors. Or is that the point?
But, really, what say you about the statistics?
burnspbesq @ 28
I think burns dipped into those alice b toklas brownies downstairs.
LoudounLib @ 21
I am well, thanks, if a bit groggy. Didn’t sleep well a couple of nights this week, and am paying the price today. Trip went well — we accomplished what we needed to.
I throw in my vote for number 3, too. McCain’s just becoming irrelevant.
And that’ll be it for me; following lhp’s example and heading off to bed. Have fun!
Steve-AR @ 7
I was busy discovering that a snarky condescending remark I made downstairs was actually wrong. I hate when I do that.
It turns out that the Watergate committee (House Judiciary) did not vote out an article of impeachment for the secret war in cambodia.
However, the articles that they did vote out included misusing IRS and CIA information vs. an “enemies list.” My aplogogies …
Suzanne @ 33
Controlled substances? Moi? Not since before I started law school. I fulfilled my lifetime quota in college.
Gnome de Plume @ 26
WHAT?!!! Where? Fantastic news! Got a link?
I’ll do like KO and rate them a’la WPITW:
Worse — McCain. His presidency would be our worst nightmare.
Worser — Betrayus. ‘E’s not the Messiah, ‘e’s a very naughty boy.
Worst — Zaslow, because that is just some crazy sh*t.
CTuttle @ 16
Well, that, too.
Gnome de Plume @ 26
Hmmmm. Moving from the viciously insane to the vapidly inane.
Loo Hoo. @ 25
Here’s for Betrayus:
Donovan-Universal Soldier
Any Michigan fans out there?
*tries desperately to suppress giggle*
Big Mitch at 36:
That’s great, Big Mitch. I guess those “blogger ethics panels” the MSM keeps recommending for us DFH’s have had an effect. After all, we know we must follow their example and always admit when we goofed, no?
/s
Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York and now a Republican presidential contender, earned £5.7m with speeches in 16 months. Such fees will make a nice dent in the Blairs’ mortgage on their £3.65m home in Connaught Square, but Tony has told friends he will limit his utterings as he doesn’t want to appear greedy.
snip
Is this how these guys pick up their money for favors done while in office or is it for actually speaking??
Oh, and I’ll pick #3.
burns – no, never saw Roadhouse…
sunsin @ 31
But, if you must know, my last name is BUSH.
burnspbesq @ 43
Sad, how hard the mighty have fallen, I’m sure Dawg fans aren’t too thrilled either!!!
If by “al Qaida’s nightmare,” he means “Osama’s Wet Dream” then I vote for Old Lord McCain.
Incidentally (and not coincidentally I’m sure) both Howie Kurtz and Chris Cillizza claim Old Lord McCain’s on The Comeback Trail in New Hampshire. Nice present from the WaPo for Freddie Thompson (yes, that is his birth name!)
Feh.
Good song, James. Forgot all about it!
Did anyone hear Ring of Fire today?
They spoke with someone who said that Miss Hillary belongs to a group called “The Fellowship” Its a pretty fundamentalist group, very secret and has lots of prayer chains…What is she hiding?
Here is the link
http://www.motherjones.com/new…..rayer.html
CTuttle @ 49
We watched that game at work this afternoon, and we were, like, whoa…
CTuttle @ 49
And let’s not forget dear old Notre Dame.
So do we have to call him Freddie of Hollywood?
ccmask @ 45
Or both? Which is the reason Tony Snow’s claim of penury being the reason he had to resign doesn’t ring true to me.
It’s a difficult choice, but I have to go with #3. Whiny adult men who are upset small children are placed with female passengers on planes annoy me greatly.
Wasn’t it a conservative who attacked Dave Niewert for being a stay at home dad, and claimed he wasn’t “manly enough” or some crap like that? The whiners run from children like they’re contagious, then complain about men who don’t run.
Bunch a freakin’ goofballs, I tell ya!
CTuttle @ 49
Not a very good day for Miami either, eh Thers? Go Sooners (Ph.D. ‘87)! ;-)
He’ll do it right, and do it well! Er, not that he’s saying that Bush hasn’t done it well. Let’s try again…
He’ll be really tough on them! Er, not that he’s saying that Bush hasn’t been tough, he’s a great, steadfast leader…
And thus we see how the McCain campaign has ended up where it is (and where the other GOP candidates are headed.)
snowbird42 @ 52
This is just un-flippin’-believable:
LAT: Petraeus = Grant.
Say WHAT?????
burnspbesq @ 54
*snicker* I loved it, I’m related to Paterno, too…!!!
Good evening all. Hope you’ve all had a nice day.
Loo Hoo. @ 38
I can link you to the paper on line, but since I refuse to subscribe to it, I can only tell you what I observe whenever I see it at my parents’ house. There is no listing in the paper of which crazy syndicated people they print. But you might enjoy perusing the useless mouth piece of a small town Chamber of Commerce. Read the Herald-Zeitung here.
burnspbesq @ 61
Gag me.
Hi Betsy.
burnspbesq @ 61
A drunken sot who oversaw one of the most corrupt administrations in US history (though not in the same league with the current one)?
OldCoastie @ 47
You’re missing the all time greatest “redneck morons who get into pointless altercations” movie of all time.
It truly has no peer.
Loo Hoo. @ 51
Maybe you’ll enjoy this:
I Will Survive
TexBetsy @ 63
Hi Betsy,
keep us company…
Christine
Herald-Zeitung?? I thought that was a joke, until I clicked on the link.
james @ 42
that’s beautiful. thanks, james
The sports pages of the London Sunday papers are an absolute hoot this evening.
The sky is clearly falling.
At the Rugby World Cup, England only beat the USA by 28-10.
Telegraph
James @ 48
Uh, do you feel a burning sensation?
Last time The Lord spoke thru a Bush (and this is Gospel), it was BURNING!
Sorry, could not resist. Poor taste, no doubt.
burnspbesq @ 61
And here I was thinking the article meant Grant when he was president of the most corrupt administration until now.
TexBetsy @ 63
Hey, Betsy.
Loo Hoo. @ 60
It was pretty wacky shlt. A semi-secret “family” of prayerful and powerful people, which has “members” and “friends.” HRC in the latter category. Founded by fascist sympathisers in the 1930s, they are believers in the “strong man chosen by God to be a leader” theory of history.
On another level, who am I to question with whom or where someone wants to pray. (I heard the show, while coming home from prayers myself, and I guarantee most people here would think my prayer style and companions were “different.”)
Evening Betsy. I did have a nice day. Took a short (seven mile) hike in the Rattlesnake this afternoon. In the 60s all day and no smoke.
David W. Bartoo @ 74
LOL,,,no, it was the demon speaking there whi said his name is Legion
I just used its real name
Gnome de Plume @ 26
A paper in this area dropped Our Lady of the Concentration Camps last April. Apparently, no one noticed. Bwahahahaha!
She was replaced with Kathleen Parker, who is slightly less revolting. Slightly.
I’ve gotta vote for #3. People who claim they’re avoiding normal behavior because of paranoid delusions about people who are going to “get” them for it are bad enough. People who then claim that they’re “oppressed” because they succumb to these paranoid delusions (which is pretty much the definition of the “men’s rights” movement) would simply be sad except that they have the resources to be dangerous.
TexBetsy @ 63
Howdy, Ma’am!!!
Dr. Dick beat me to the corrupt Grant reference. Rats. I was wanting to show off.
I’ve been away from news almost completely today. Doing real life and family stuff. Anything good happen?
Do you really think Grant was more corrupt than Harding?
Dr D, so glad you’re getting a respite from the smoke. Bottle that air!
burnspbesq @ 61
Note that his division command experience — when he lost 200,000 weapons issued to the Iraqi brigades he was training — is offered by the LAT as excellent warfighting experience. Prior to that, the man sat behind a desk or stood at a lecturer’s podium.
There is no general there, just another ambitious politician playing with the lives of American servicemembers and Iraqi families.
TexBetsy @ 63
Hiya Betsy!!
DrDick @ 67
Dissing Ulysses Grant in the blogosphere is a dangerous undertaking.
TeddySanFran @ 87
Maybe they’re implying he’s an inveterate drunk?
burnspbesq @ 61
Yeah, he could be just like Grant…if you ignore the fact that unlike Grant, he’s losing an unwinnable fight.
RonD @ 85
That I don’t know. What reforms were put in place after Harding left office? IIRC, the civil service regs were instituted because of Grant and his cronies.
Good night all, one more day of saving the people from teh stoopid awaits me tomorrow.
TexBetsy @ 84
Hagel’s retiring
james @ 69
OMG!
waving g’nite to the leaving sleep pups
I had mushroom ravioli with alfredo sauce for dinner. Brought y’all the leftovers. Still warm.
wapo
LoudounLib @ 93
Oh, don’t go — it isn’t that late!
I’ll be back in a bit. Need to make a quick run to the store. I’ll brink back some snacks.
Night LL
Night LL. Saving folks from teh stoopid is an endless (and largely thankless) job. So I’ll thank you for the rest of us.
TexBetsy @ 97
Where is the portion that you ate, if those are the leftovers? Shouldn’t you have poked a hole in each square and sucked the stuffing out? Oh wait, you do that with chocolate, not ravioli. ;-)
GordonM @ 89
Redshift @ 81
Assuming it is unfounded paranoia. I don’t think I would dismiss the underlying concerns, although, I do think it’s overboard perhaps for the benefit of the article, perhaps not.
Last evening Jonathan mentioned Petraeus’ Princeton PhD.
Reminds me of old definition: (P)iled (h)igher and (D)eeper.
BTW, saw that NYT, that librul shill, has played rite in their claws with ‘Hiding Behind the General’ editorial. Damned LEFTWING MEDIA!
LoudounLib @ 93
Night LL. Bet you do hear of people doing big stoopid most every day!
David W. Bartoo @ 106
Yes, the Ivy League is not what it once was. After all both Yale and Harvard gave degrees to the moron from Midland.
I vote for contestant no.3. He embodies the very essence of right wing victimhood.
Astral Technician @ 98
Who’s putting out that fuckery?
TexBetsy @ 97
Yum! You bring the best late nite snacks. I’ve got wine, if anyone cares for a glass.
Gato Negro.
DrDick @ 108
Unfortunately, unearned degrees have been with us as long as schools have accepted private donations. And the Ivy League schools are at least as susceptible to such corruption as any.
Goodnight, Pretty Lady.
james @ 94
But it looks like Bob Kerrey is thinking about running against him. If we weren’t in a ruinous war that Kerrey supports, that would be a good thing, but since we are in such a war, it’s a mixed bag.
Sunni bloc back in Iraqi parliament
from AL JAZEERA
National Dialogue Front returns but says al-Maliki cannot solve Iraq’s problems.
they are believers in the “strong man chosen by God to be a leader” theory of history.
Hmmm…but, they’ll make an exception for Mrs. Clinton? Or….what?
Loo Hoo. @ 107
nite, sleep softly
Astral Technician @ 98
This analysis seems to proceed from the assumption that the only options are either to “continue the current level of effort” or reduce our troop levels by 50% in three years with the possibility of leaving completely in five.
It must have been written by Very. Serious. People.
This is interesting:
Afghan bombers ‘foreigners’ – UN
from BBC World
More than half the suicide bombers used by the Taleban in Afghanistan are not Afghan nationals, a UN report says.
Wow. I have to say this is VERY rare for me but I think the third option should not even qualify as wingnuttery.
I immediately reflected back on my days as an adolescent residential group home counselor when reading it and I think the third choice is prudent advice in these times.
TeddySanFran @ 118
You left out something, but I fixed it.
LooHoo — that study comes from the US Institute of Peace, the group chartered by the US Congress that formed the Iraq Study Group. Since the White House wouldn’t let James Baker III play again, the Institute hired back the experts instead of the bi-partisan panel. And they wrote this Very. Serious. Report.
Unfortunately, it may constrain Congressional options. We need to hear more this week from the Out of Iraq Caucus. Maxine, where are you??
This congress, Teddy? Are they somehow obliged to take their conclusions seriously or as the only report they listen to besides Betrayus’?
Yes, the Ivy League is not what it once was. After all both Yale and Harvard gave degrees to the moron from Midland.
Gave? Poppy bought those degrees fair and square.
It’s capitalism. If ya got enough capital, ya get the degrees.
Has anyone ever heard of the Institute of Peace, its commission by Congress or any such bullshit before today?
I must not be the only sleepy, tired pup here tonight.
I’ve got some researching to catch up on.
See y’all later.
Enjoy your sweet selves.
GordonM @ 89
***
Here’s an enlightening quote from the pro-Grant article quoted on Mahablog:
Ah. Got that?
‘night, demi.
Ah. De Wits are in good form, tonite (rubbing little paws in great anticipation) dis’ll be fun. I’se sittin’ back and enjoyin’ dis all so much!! Me own brain tad bit lame from drippin’ cold, courtesy of little one’s bringin’ microbal ‘pets’ home from skuell, but ears workin’ jus’ fine. Let ‘er rip! Yay!!
Luvin’ d’lake. Oh! Yus!!
Night demi. Sleep well.
jayt @ 124
Makes the ones I have all the more precious to me knowing I sweated for them like everything else I ever got.
Astral Technician @ 125
I think it pretty well speaks for itself when the Institute of Peace offers two choices that each continue the war. Orwell, anybody?
demi @ 126
Nite, Deb.
RonD @ 128
Noticed that! :)
Loo Hoo. @ 55
Sir Frederick, s’il vous plait.
;>)
EvilDrPuma @ 132
Ding!
Astral Technician @ 125
It was cited as the reason W could take the ISG recommendations as advisory and, um, ignore them. The ISG was a creature of Congress.
demi @ 134
I certainly hope so.
;-)
burnspbesq @ 37
There’s a quota?!
DrDick @ 130
Will do. Now that I’m a working girl, it’s incredible how the insomnia went away. Ha.
EvilDrPuma @ 132
Glad they didn’t call it the Institute of Planetary Survival.
Astral Technician @ 125
Kuchinich is talking about such a thing in his campaign. Don’t remember the exact title though.
darkblack @ 135
ROFL!
CD @ 127
That sounds like one of the rationalizations you’d hear to one of the 8 qualifying questions for rehab!
darkblack @ 135
LOL! That almost makes up or last night’s Little (Photo)Shop of Horrors. 8-)
Sir Fredereeek did ya say?
Margot @ 139
I wonder if it is a minimum or a maximum?
Night, sweet demi.
james @ 133
Hi Firepups,
On Sept. 20
I’m leaving from terminal two at Charles de Gaulle airport for Strasbourg, France. We have tickets already purchased — Any suggestions on how to get to the TGV terminal station there at the airport?
Loo Hoo. @ 142
Kucinich advanced the idea of a cabinet-level Department of Peace in his last run, too. There’s one big difference, though: Kucinich means it.
darkblack @ 135
Margot @ 139
Ahh, the good old days, when virtual reality came in sugar cubes.
(((Loo Hoo)))
Christine Edmonson @ 150
Sorry, can’t help. Ask someone, but do it in French!!!
Keep us posted about your trip, Christine. I got to see France last summer for the first time, and loved it.
Isn’t excluding Krauthammer like excluding Norway when you’re trying to prove the Laffer curve (or is it the other way around?)
Anyhow, General
WestmorelandPetraeus is /are the troops is my fave of the week.But only if I exclude Bin Laden=Chomsky=Kos (or is it Bin Laden = Steve Forbes?)
Hope no one’s allergic to avocados.
Chips and Guac!
I just have to make one more comment.
I’ve been drifting here tonight, soaking up the Lake Rays and trying to get The Handle for the message I’m delivering tomorrow am. I had a lot of stuff in my head, but couldn’t get the point.
And, reading all of your comments brought me ’round to it: It’s All About The Context.
You all are a bunch of Great Souls.
Thanks.
Margot @ 139
I ‘member old Timouthy had it in LIQUID form (Sandoz?), but ’twas Owlsley who got the biggest raves back in dem days . . .
Suzanne @ 147
Definitely Minimum, can’t have too much of a good thang!!! ;-)
Thanks Burns. No queso?
night demi
(((demi)))
The “leftys” are angry! Yup. Lefty bloggers are so angry they now can be thrown in with anti-OBL tirades by the likes of some who have squatter rights on NYT’s hallowed Op-Ed pages.
No. Not Paul Krugman.
Two others. Brooks and Friedman.
More evidence of last defense measures in face of facts,truth and record.
Dont like the message? Attack the messengers!
Leftys are angry. Thus offer invalid views and comments. They are blinded by anger.
Simple smell test for this?
We come out in “anger” for Americans staying in Iraq,attacking Iran and in general just sort of dropping “American Control Zone–Stay Back–Keep Away–Keep Off” signs across the ME.
It is very likely our anger then would be seen as fully vetted and truly “serious”.
Yup. It is the anger. Thats it. Must be.
Donny Rumsfeld now has found a roost at the Hoover Institute.
One could surmise this is his reward for being so good at running DOD these past six years and his triumphs in Iraq matters.
Or one could call it WashDC/think tank merry-go-round conduct. That likely is closer to the truth of things.
This likely is also evidence of a warmonger and war-criminal charges/legal actions deflection measure. How could the Hoover Institute in any way ever have put a warmonger/warcriminal on staff? Donald Rumsfeld is an honorable man! Any charges of warmongering or war-criminal acts are fully preposterous! We will not let this good mans reputation be soiled due to such reckless and unfounded charges!
Of course any legal action anywhere on this planet against any G.W.Bush actors will run into similar reaction and rejection.
Rules in play here being:
1. Americans never war anywhere in the wrong.
2. Americans can never be war-criminals.
3. Americans always invade/occupy other nations only based on truth,facts and being right.
4. Americans are always the “good guys”.
5. Americans are Exceptional and under Divine Guidance in all matters around this planet.
6. Iraqi dead and refugees are not because of what Americans did or do in Iraq. It is because they just did not see how right and good the Americans always are. So have been killed,suffered or become refugees because they failed to fully fall in place to Americans plan and intent. This is so obvious.Unless you are a lefty and angry. Then you are not serious and really have anger issues. Some sort of Homer Simpson reaction may be used here from his “duh” moments.
Well…sorry for the anger. Someday I may be better at holding it back and in. Or maybe I will just learn to accept the truly “serious” and surely very “right views” of those who think Americans have done/are doing Iraq and the Iraqi people some big favors. Really big favors.
I must be so wrong. Just so blinded by anger.
Yeah…thats it. Americans really are “kicking some ass” in Iraq. Who cares who gets killed or what gets blown apart doing so? Kick ass!
Note: Did The Decider lift that line from the movie ‘Jarhead’? Just wondering…
Loo Hoo. @ 156
Hey Loo Hoo,
I can’t wait to go back to Alsace — the wine and food are exceptional. And the art… hey, thanks for answering. We lived in France for a year, many years ago.
Christime
Suzanne @ 147
HOLY S**T — THE COPS!!!
*flush*
Loo Hoo. @ 155
google Charles de Gaulle airport map. it’ll show you the layouts of all three terminals. glancing briefly at it, it looks like it’s an easy walk from terminal 2 to the tgv. maybe it’ll even tell you somewhere which terminal which airlines fly into.
TexBetsy,
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
(Hitchhiker’s Guide…)
Astral Technician @ 141
707!
burnspbesq @ 61
Well, to be fair, they recount a story of his staff describing him as Grant, and say it’s equally likely he’ll turn out to be a Westmoreland. However, the article is pretty appalling, quoting only people favorable to Petraeus and ascribing opposing viewpoints to “Democrats” and “lawmakers opposed to the buildup without actually quoting any of them.
Gag, indeed.
Christine Edmonson @ 150
I know that getting the train into Paris you go all the way to your right when you exit through the doors after you’ve secured your bags. Pass all the little eateries and you’ll come to a long hallway that leads to the trains. You can take a luggage trolley all the way until you get to the escalators.
Go downstairs and you should be able to get the train right there or maybe you’ll have to go one stop for a connection.
I haven’t used the TGV but this is how I get the RER into the city.
Dave Latchaw @ 157
i watched the bin laden video earlier and he actually mentions noam chomsky as someone we should be listening to. i hate it when people who are sworn to hurt us make more sense than our own government.
DrDick @ 145
Dear Doctor, whatever might you be referring to?
;>)
Loo Hoo. @ 152
…don’t forget Musicals.
;>)
TexBetsy @ 162
Not my taste, but for you, mi corazon, anything you desire.
burnspbesq @ 175
Muchísimas gracias señor!
thatarrow @ 165
Shoot! You jus’ ’bout ’splained America rite away. You is seriously, wid gravitas, laying id out!
Well, I think I will head to bed. Amazing how walking 7 miles in the mountains will enhance your desire to sleep. Take care all and enjoy the snark (just don’t click the top link in darkblack@174)
What Democrat on Armed Services will really challenge Petraeus and Crocker? Chairman Levin?
Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
Mark L. Pryor (Arkansas)
Jim Webb (Virginia)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
Interesting that Senator Lieberman is listed as a Dem.
On Foreign Relations, Biden better plan a star turn, that’s all I’m saying.
Christopher J. Dodd, Connecticut
John F. Kerry, Massachusetts
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin
Barbara Boxer, California
Bill Nelson, Florida
Barack Obama, Illinois
Robert Menendez, New Jersey
Benjamin L. Cardin, Maryland
Robert P. Casey Jr., Pennsylvania
Jim Webb, Virginia
night Dr D. Sleep well.
Good night, DrDick.
OK, well me and young Dylan are going out to fire off some rockets early tomorrow so I’m gonna hit the hay.
Night all.
David W. Bartoo @ 177
I have to second that emotion..)
Nite DrDick pleasure cathin’ yore thinkin’! See ya soon, and loves your JJ Cale from last night, Clapton too! Yes, Yes!
james @ 172
Thanks James, and it is so nice to see you here,
we need to leave right from that horrible airport. I have to say, Charles de Gaulle airport is really depressing.
DrDick @ 178
…And if you do, don’t forget the brain bleach.
;>)
‘night, DD.
Lovely musical, darkblack. Particularly like Perle in that shot!
Among Top Officials, ‘Surge’ Has Sparked Dissent, Infighting
from wa po politics by Post
For two hours, President Bush listened to contrasting visions of the U.S. future in Iraq. Gen. David H. Petraeus dominated the conversation by video link from Baghdad, making the case to keep as many troops as long as possible to cement any security progress. Adm. William J. Fallon, his superior,…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..s_politics
His Task: Sell Hispanics on GOP
from wa po politics by Jose Antonio Vargas
For many in the country’s fastest-growing segment of the electorate, Sen. Mel Martinez is the face of the Republican Party.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..s_politics
U.N. Waits To Issue Its Report On Iraq
from wa po politics by Colum Lynch
UNITED NATIONS, Sept. 8 — The United Nations has delayed the release of a quarterly report on human rights in Iraq to avoid criticizing Washington and Baghdad while they are seeking to rally congressional and international support for the war effort, according to U.N. officials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..s_politics
Plan to Target Businesses That Employ Immigrants Draws Fire
by Spencer S. Hsu
A pending crackdown by the Bush administration against U.S. companies that employ illegal immigrants faced growing opposition yesterday, as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and several large industry groups joined an AFL-CIO lawsuit to halt the program and the U.S. Small Business Administration said it…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..s_politics
dang, tex, you the fastest news ninja in the west?
darkblack @ 186
So is he holding one of those Clorox toilet sanitizers that go in the tank and last for about one month? Is he going to eat it?
Nytal.
good nite, Loo Hoo.
Is it my turn to feed the jukebox?
OK.
Welcome to the House of Toad.
nite loo hoo
Suzanne @ 192
I use a news reader.
Here. Follow along. Refresh often.
Sleep well loo hoo.
200
Good night to you, Loo Hoo.
Sleep well and dream of better tomorrows.
greenwarrior @ 200
congrats!
greenwarrior @ 200
don’t let wangdang know
TexBetsy @ 202
thanks! how you be tonight, beauty?
I’m doing better than last night. Had a stressful few days, but hoping things settle down a bit. You?
Suzanne @ 203
Ssh. (she said, tiptoeing very carefully)
THIS could be interesting ….
Thompson Linked to Work for Libyans
from NYT > Home Page by JO BECKER
Fred Thompson advised a colleague representing two Libyan officials charged in the terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..mp;emc=rss
greenwarrior IS the double BINGO! Congrats!!
You has got both timin’ AND location!
TexBetsy @ 119
IIRC, most of the suicide bombers in Iraq are not Iraqi, either.
Bob in HI
TexBetsy @ 205
Glad to hear you’re improving. My throat’s still seriously raspy and I’m coughing a bit still, but I do believe I’m slowly improving.
I’m just pouting a little because CE hasn’t acknowledged my help at 168 re her airport question for France. Maybe she’s so immersed in the maps she hasn’t come up for air yet?
For those KPIG fans who listen online, Dirty Boogie Saturday Nights starts in 2 minutes
greenwarrior @ 210
Think she’s still translating her question into français?
David W. Bartoo @ 208
I admit I was stalking it.
Think she’s still translating her question into français?
Peut-etre.
NYT: FBI Data-Mining Reached Beyond Initial Targets
Imagine my surprise.
burnspbesq @ 215
Shocked! Shocked I am, I tell you!
Timin’ … Location … and resolve.
That ain’t serendipity, that’s beyond merest fate, ’tis just as justice, sweet and poetic would have it!
I knew I should have gone straight to sleep…
Alex Cockburn on an Iran attack
Are we all the pups without a social life?
This is so depressing. Justice kills net neutrality. Here’s the money quote
If you believe that, I’ve got some bottom land I’d like to sell. Just don’t ask what it’s on the bottom of.
TJ @ 219
Well, I’m divorced so now there’s no one telling me what to do.
My social life is wayy improved also
New Thread upstairs with egregious!
Can’t link to it because it’s behind the TimesSelect tollbooth, but Friedman is at it again.
Tom, Tom, Tom. Has anyone told you lately that you are batshit crazy?
TJ I went to a party tonight. Left at 10:15.
burnspbesq @ 215
Emptywheel also points out the culpability of the telecoms…
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
You lost me when you started busting on men who are worried that the lynch mob gang might jump to inaccurate conclusions after attempting to be a good citizen by assisting some stranger’s child in distress.
And such concerns aren’t reserved exclusively for conservatives either.
James @ 218
Okay! Now ya dun it!
Can’t we all jus’ be redikalus for a change?
Everything is SO bas akward!
Why, I had a dream, last nite: Wuz all ’bout
Nacilbupers and Tarcomeds runnin’ fer sumthin’
called TNediserp … Sumthin further, ’bout ‘lesser wevils, real confusin’ like, kinda nitemarish and not a’tall restful.
Must be da fever from da cold. Then, well, was sum real disturbin’ stuff ’bout bombin’ on Broadway in sum place called Nari, think it ’twas and this here idjut wid a codpiece’was actin’ real mean and nasty like and a wolf name a Chainee, I believe, was stealin’ everything he could git his claws on…
Gosh wuz I real glad to wake up and find it twern’t so …
Christine Edmonson @ 150
TGV station is actually in terminal 2 – you may need to take the free shuttle bus, but it’s pretty clearly indicated and announced in the bus in French and English.
Ya know, I’m as liberal-liberal as anybody can be, and have been all of my life. I came out as a gay man in 1975 and never looked back. I’ve been a champion for change and a leader in my local communities up until recently (I’m retired due to health reasons).
And, now, for the first time, I’m finding myself appalled at the comments on FDL (along with the original source material), and it’s like a kick in the stomach.
For goodness’ sake, people, the Men’s Movement is NOT AN ANTI-WOMEN movement! It’s not about WASP males going boo-hoo, and you’re being childish for pretending that it is. This reflexive hatred on your part is a symptom of the underlying problem. Your rush to vilify m-i-g-h-t be something you should examine, next time that you’re being honest with yourself.
The answer to anti-female bigotry is NOT to hammer down men, all men, especially those who dare to question how things are going. Let me use an example from my own life:
In my large family, the women have a superb support-structure.They baby-sit each others’ kids, they hold big “cuzzies dinners” where all of the young cousins share time together, and family events center around women and children. In our family, the women and kids cluster together, and the men (any male older than puberty) lingers, isolated, around the periphery like satellites outside the solar system. That’s IF they bother to show up.
As a gay man, I’ve had less problems with living within this structure than my straight brothers, but there are hidden limits that I couldn’t get beyond. I was baffled because I would attend many family events where there were lots of kids, several times a year, and yet I had NO idea what kind of people my nephews were. I started paying attention, and every time I’d start to chat with one, one of the womenfolks would magically WHISK him off to do something important elsewhere. It would happen over and over, and I started to vocally question my sisters’ assumptions. They reacted at a gut-level, EXACTLY the same way that you folks did.
After enough persistence, my sisters finally admitted that they assumed that all men should be kept away from children. This explained why so few of my adult male relatives ever show up at family reunions. It also explains why the men of our family never seem to be happy in family groups – They are always on probation.
The local Gay Youth Center was taken over by a lesbian who immediately fired ALL male staff and volunteers. Some folks would say “what’s wrong with that?” Well, I was in a Gay Youth group in 1975, and the LAST role-model I would have liked to have seen would have been a woman. She would have had nothing to teach me about male-male dynamics and long-term relationships, which are very, very different from other relationships. Having been in this relationship for 26 years (and being married for 17 years), I know what I’m talking about. I learned from male role-models in long-term relationships.
This assumption that all men are inherently evil/rapists/perverts/warriors is a tragic loss for each generation. How can our male youth learn how to be good men of the community if role-models are shoved away?
I’m continuing to be a champion for the radical idea that there are good men in the world that should NOT be kept at arm’s length. When men are at our best, we are excellent protectors, nurturers and decision-makers. I’ve raised six foster-kids, and have proven my worth to the world, and yet mothers cross the street to avoid having their children come near me. I’m big, hairy and male. Get the torches and pitchforks!
THAT’s what Jeff Zaslow’s trying to express, but your ridicule says more about you, than about him. Reverse bigotry in response to bigotry is still wrong.
Ahem. While I agree with the overall thrust of the post, I’m hear to tell you, as a long time lefty male, that the social hysteria about us men being around kids is real and palpable. It’s a natural overreaction, of course, like some school administrations being too quick to suspend students for innocent behavior in our post-Columbine world.
If you haven’t had the experience of being eyed suspiciously by parents for acting friendly around their kids, or withholding that pat on the back for good work, out of concern it might be misinterpreted by others, and yet you are convinced these things exist merely in the imaginations of those who have, then I submit it is your own imagination that is being over-indulged here. I think the saddest part is that kids pick up on this forced remoteness, without understanding its necessity.
Your giggling dismissive snark over the notion that men have their own issues imposed by social roles and expectations sounds so much like what I heard from callow classmates about the women’s movement 35 years ago, when I studied feminism in Robin Morgan’s class.
Let’s leave such sniggering to the children on the Right, okay? As a long time reader, I know you’re better than they are, so it disappoints me to see you imitate them and obscure that point. Write to me if you’d like to discuss the matter in more detail. Best wishes.
TonyInSD slipped in with the same point.
Tony & Rudy:
Please consider the source for the Zaslow column: the WSJ Online does not publish progressive articles. I am preparing a less lighthearted critique of the piece for my personal blog; feel free to stop by.
Tony, your point seems to be to do with homophobia. I agree with you. But I suggest that you consider that Zaslow is not your ally here. Conservatives want a restoration of 1950s straight male privilege. Period.
Rudy, fair enough. My experience is that of being a dad, volunteering in my son’s classes, being a soccer coach, etc. I try to get to know the kid and the parent(s), and it’s all gone very well.
So, no, I really have not had these issues, to tell the truth.
Thers @ 231
Beautifully answered. Very nice piece, Thers.
Sorry, but I have to call bullshit on the sneeringly dismissive tone taken toward the men’s issues cited above.
No rational person should so cavalierly dismiss the truth that men who are accused of improper sexual conduct are at a huge disadvantage in trying to defend themselves in the current social climate. Look at the Duke “rape” case, look at the ubiquitousness of the child molestation charges routinely raised against fathers by divorce lawyers where child custody is in issue, look at the bewildering state of ambiguity as to exactly what constitutes female consent to sex, and whether that can still be withdrawn even in mid-orgasm, and does she actually have to say “no,” or just be thinking “maybe this isn’t such a great idea even if it feels so good right now,” and the insistence by feminists that a man has committed the grave crime of rape if he fails to read her muddled signals correctly.
Feminism needed to happen when it did, things were out of balance then, but after almost a half-century of dominance of the feminist viewpoint, we seem to be out of balance in the other direction in many respects, and clearly the results are not all that wonderful. We now have a pronounced trend among women back to the viewpoint that working sucks and they would rather stay home, be supported, and raise their children, after all. And we have had two full generations of emotionally mutilated and stunted children raised under the principle that no stinking men are required to raise an emotionally healthy and balanced child. And don’t even get me started on the state of romantic love after forty years of relentless hostility and distrust deliberately promoted by women against men.
With a record like this, the pro-feminists should have a lot more humility and willingness to honestly discuss their own glaring shortcomings than was demonstrated in this post. Apparently, women are fully equal to men in their determination to avoid honestly taking any responsibilty at all for their own errors, and just as unwilling to consider giving up some power to achieve justice.
Hey, the Albigensians were the good guys!
It was the Church and the French State that took the part of today’s Republican Party.
In response to child molestation allegations, some of the things that were said are true. During the McMartin Pre School decade people sitting in restaurants were targeted by some of these children as molesters. The parents would then run outside and wait, in order to get the license plate number and then turn it over to the police. The police would then question these people. Not too long ago three middle school girls were late getting home and falsely accused a homeless man of trying a sexual attack as their excuse. He spent six months in jail before one of the girls fessed up. My next door neighbor was falsely accused of improper touching by an eleven year old. She never did go to court to testify so his case was dismissed. His attitude about life was never the same. As it turned out, after the girl moved out of state, the man her mother was living with at the time of the allegations was arrested for molesting another child and is currently in prison in Utah. There are many, many cases of false accusations and people, yes even women should be very careful.
A doctor left a crying child alone in a Mall?
Whatever happened to “first, do no harm”?
First, while I find it humorous that a decidedly female-oriented blog likes to belittle the fears of men, I have to admit that the 3rd reference is for the most part true – most adult males in todays American society will not let themselves be alone with children not their own.
Second, most of the initial comments here are very sophomoric. Zed, indeed!
Sorry, but I’m going to have to call bullshit on your response, especially the whiny bullshit about the “dominance of the feminist viewpoint.” Men are not oppressed, and all the sniveling screeds like yours fail to prove otherwise.
Lemme check… yep, I’m a man.
Not sure what you mean by “female oriented,” though I suppose it means that feminists frighen you. Well, “boo.”
And I’m not remotely afraid to be alone with other peoples’ kids. That’s because I possess the rudimentary social skills that enable me to know how to responsibly handle a situation like helping a lost, crying kid in a mall.
You would be better served if you were to spend more time mastering these skills yourself and less time whimpering on the internets.
I’m sure most men have the same skills as you, since you presume to speak for the majority of them. And you won’t have to read my whimpering comments again. FireDogLake’s blog link —> toilet
Great, Thers just deleted my comment #240 as well, censored it, “moderated” it, although it contained no offensive language whatsoever, but did criticize him for his cowardly, censoring ways. Now my complaining comment #241 is similary marked “awaiting moderation.” Shall we just keep this up all day? I’ll keep printing ever-milder criticisms of your small mind and cowardice, Thers, and you can just sit there hiding behind your little computer and keep deleting, and showing us that you are the kind of person who just can’t stand being talked back to, that you can dish it out bigtime BUT YOU JUST CAN’T TAKE IT! Call yourself a man all you want, little boy, you fool no one.
I hope all are taking note of this fool, who I challenge to restore the two deleted comments immediately.
[Mod Note; Personal insults directed towards authors or commenters are not allowed and is the reason your last two comments were removed by a moderator. Thank You.]
Well, now I’m being notified that personal insults directed toward the author are not allowed. But he dishes it out pretty good when he wants to. Is this an honest forum, folks? He calls my comment “whiny bullshit” and a “snivelling screed,” and Wrecker’s a “whimpering” one, but he can’t be insulted in return. What a huge load of shit. If this is not corrected by someone with a brain, you’ve lost me forever as a daily reader.
Somebody please go look at the language Thers uses on his own blog, Whiskeyfire. Who is the serial insulter here?
Everybody here should take a quick look at Thers’ own blog, Whiskeyfire (which I never heard of before), and decide for yourselves if this guy deserves to be allowed to dish out ad hominem attacks while being shielded from serious rebuttal.
And I’m not remotely afraid to be alone with other peoples’ kids. That’s because I possess the rudimentary social skills that enable me to know how to responsibly handle a situation like helping a lost, crying kid in a mall.
So does a Priest, and right now there are a lot of parents that won’t leave their children alone with a Priest. Sometimes it’s wise to ask another passerby to also assist. That way the child gets help and everybody feels safe.
Now they’ve deleted my comment inviting readers to go look at the language Thers uses on his own blog, Whiskeyfire, to see if he should be shielded from criticism by FDL. Censorship reigns supreme today here at FDL. Really funny, since the top post is sniveling about FDL’s own ads being censored. This is a crisis of the soul for you, FDL. Think about what the proper response should be. Do you believe in free and open debate, or don’t you? Or is there just some rule that comments standing up for men on any issue are automatically VERBOTEN?
newtonusr @ 232
Yes indeed. If I knew of any pundit on the right who could respond to honest criticism so honestly I would read him or her every day.
And I’d like to add my agreement that the spectacle of members of a privledged group decrying the loss of their unfair privleges (’rights’, in their minds) as oppression of some kind, is more laughable than pathetic. That’s not to say there aren’t areas where men routinely get shafted. (Don’t get me started on the assumptions underlying divorce law.)
These issues generate heat because so many of us have bad memories about them, on one side or another. The complexity and diversity of human life defy any simple codification or interpretation meant to stand for all cases.
All we can do is approach with the humility of acceptance that we are all those blind men describing an elephant whose dimensions extend beyond any single encounter. Even those one dimensional chest thumpers we’ve come to associate with our tragic national debasement this young century can make good observations at times.
FDL commenters, all the more so, I believe. Let’s not misdirect our anger.
Toby, there’s a reason why I replied one way to Rudy & Tony, and another way to you.
Beyond that, I find your comments about how women and feminism have ruined men’s lives completely ludicrous, not to mention misogynistic.
Your comments about censorship are pure comedy gold, however, as are the complaints about the language on my blog… do, continue, by all means.
Well said.
From my POV, the “men’s movement” does unfortunately serve as a reactionary trojan horse, and does more to obscure the issues regarding equity in, say, divorce laws, than it does to help resolve them fairly. You’re right that we need a more honest debate, but I’m afraid that the WSJ online opinion page is not going to be contributing to it in a constructive fashion, to say the least.
I would feel better about the “men’s movement” if those who are a part of it would stop insisting that their grievances justify behaving like inhumane, selfish jerks. Walking away from a lost, crying child, indeed!
This is my nomination for Wingnut crap of the Week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAfPgX7gs0
Well, I appreciate that you’ve crept out into the open to engage me, and I’ll be happy to continue, but I have to wonder how much your late response has to do with the fact that I’ve been trumpeting the news about your previous behavior here and about. I think had I quietly gone away, you would have remained a hidden censor. You state there was a reason you responded to me the way you did, but you do not give the reason. Is that classified info?
For starters, why don’t you publish the two comments of mine that have already been deleted, so that the entire community can see what “comedy gold” my protests actually constitute. It can’t be judged without the context. And the context is that you started out by calling me a whiner and a sniveler, and Wrecker a whimperer, for trying to point out to you in a reasonable and respectful manner that you were wrong to blatantly dismiss all men’s issues as ludicrous just because you did not like the bringers of the argument via the WSJ. I’ve studied logic, so I know full well that ad hominem arguments always constitute a logical fallacy, but you acted as if you did not. When we and several others tried to respond to that error, you directed ad hominem attacks against us, and again refused to allow for the possibility that there might be something worth discussing in the relations between men and women that did not require that the woman always be viewed as the sainted victim, and the man always as the irredeemable beast.
And then I responded with some anger, which I feel was justified, since nobody in my previous existence has ever labeled me either a whiner or a sniveler (quite the opposite, in fact), and in the process I used the words “moron” and “asshole,” the latter indisputably being used with total correctness since it was referring to your body part. And you deleted those comments because of those words, ostensibly considering them “insults,” or more likely because you could not engage me on the facts as I had explicitly challenged you to do. I say “more likely” because a casual viewing of your own blog shows that you use the F-bomb and other highly derogatory terminology on a fairly coninuous basis, so I wouldn’t think that delicacy was your issue. (BTW, I wasn’t complaining about your coarse language, it has its place and I use it too, but merely about the apparent hypocrisy and hypersensitivity.)
That is the context, and therefore I challenge you again to publish those two comments you deleted, since everyone here can handle the words “moron” and “asshole.” I can assure you of this because I live on this blog site.
Now that you have labeled my legitimate protests “comedy gold,” again deriding me, I think the least you can do if you are honest is to let everyone else here see just how funny it is when they can see the content you censored. If not, you continue to be a name-caller with no courage.
You also go on here to label my comments “ludicrous” and even “misogynistic,” fairly insulting terms to use against the kind of person that I actually am, which you wouldn’t know about, of course, but that doesn’t stop you from presuming, and all without articulating any details about why they strike you so. Apparently, sir, you are addicted to the ad hominem paradigm. So be it. But, can you function at all in any other mode? Id like to see it, because the points I raised are worthy of serious discussion.
I never said said “women and feminism” have “ruined men’s lives’” Those were your words, which you used to set up a straw man, another logical fallacy. What I said was that feminism was needed to remedy an inbalance, but that we have now reached a point where some things are out of balance in the opposite direction, meaning that one-sided analysis and black-and-white, good vs. evil thinking were
no longer appropriate, or productive, or just.
I gave you some rather obvious specific examples, but you failed to engage any one of them, preferring to sneer and dismiss. Those are exactly the right wing, fascist tactics that all of us here say that we despise, and in fact the very tactics that were employed against the original feminists, even by most other women.
I’d be happy to engage you on the specific issues I raised, and can demonstrate why anybody who gives a damn about justice would consider them worthy of serious discussion, but I’ll stop here for now and see whether you are willing to redeem your previous objectionable censorious and ad hominem behavior by publishing the two comments you deleted. Then, and only then, will you have laid the groundwork for a reasonable discussion.
And if you do that, you will find that we agree, as I do with most of the community here, on many, perhaps most, substantive issues. But I never let any ideology blind me to discrepancies and injustices wrought by that ideology. And that is what free speech is supposed to be all about. You are in violation of that beauiful concept, sir, and now you have a chance make amends.
[Mod Note; Toby, for the record, Thers has nothing to do with the moderation of comments at this site.]
People, people. There are always jerks in every political movement. Do you remember “All sex is rape,” and “A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle,” and the assertions that an opposite sex parent, or two parents, is irrelevant to the optimal psychological health of a child? Are those statements any less embarrassing or inaccurate? Sure, the WSJ opinion page is the home of moronic cavemen, but the legitimate, good faith “men’s movement” precedes that opinion piece by more than 20 years, and it has been totally ignored except for ridicule for all of those years.
A good faith discussion would include careful consideration of the effects of certain social dynamics on those who are trying to do the right thing, but are encountering real obstacles to doing so. And it could start by engaging honestly the issues surrounding child custody proceedings, the issue of the ambiguous standards surrounding sexual consent, and the generic criminalization of much male sexuality by the justice system. Not to mention who picks up the dinner check lol.
To the moderator: If you censored my comments on your own motion, then I find that inexcusable and a clear violation of the principles that all of us here claim to espouse. You said I insulted him. What were the insults, exactly, and why were they inappropriate after he called me and other commenters snivelers and whiners and wimperers? Does the “no-insult policy go only one way?
Toby, I spent the afternoon running my son’s birthday party. I assure you I did not think about you at all. I will now recommence not thinking about you.