The BBC commissioned a survey of people in 22 countries to gauge opinions on whether the US should stay in Iraq. With three choices presented – leave immediately, leave over the coming year or stay until Iraq is stabilized -”some 39% of people in 22 countries said troops should leave now, and 28% backed a gradual pull-out. Just 23% wanted them to stay until Iraq was safe.”
In the US, one-in-four supported an immediate withdrawal, while 32% wanted Iraq’s security issues to be resolved before bringing the troops home.
(snip)
The respondents were also asked whether they believed the US would leave a permanent military presence in Iraq.
Half of those questioned believed the US would have bases in Iraq permanently, while 36% assumed all troops would withdraw once Iraq was stabilised.
In reporting on the survey, the BBC mentioned that the poll shows “remarkable consistency” across countries and noted that 64% of Americans want the troops out immediately or within one year.
On yesterday’s call with Gov. Richardson, he mentioned that the Iraqi people also want us out. It was sadly surprising to actually hear a Democratic candidate acknowledge the views of the Iraqi people as part of their comments on the occupation. We have become so used to hearing the discussion framed in terms of US imposed “benchmarks” like passage of the Hydrocarbon bill which benefits big oil rather than the Iraqis who own the oil. The lack of consideration for the human costs of our occupation of Iraq in almost all policy discussions is shameful.
One side of those costs are recounted at a new site hosted by KPFA’s Aaron Glantz, author of How America Lost Iraq. Called The War Comes Home it features the latest on veterans issues and podcasts of veterans telling their own stories. These are voices we need to listen to – they speak truth about the war from a perspective missing in all the kabuki in DC and on the campaign trail.
At the same time, news of the human cost in Iraq continues to prove that all the “progress” talk is not reality-based if you are an Iraqi and not a junketing congresscritter. Yesterday’s reports included 14 civilians killed in Baghdad by US air strikes and word from Dahr Jamail’s colleague Ali al-Fadhily about increasing civilian casualties in Samarra and the inevitable results. As Ali notes: “The resistance seems to have grown as the attacks have continued.”
The ACLU has just released new documents reporting on civilian deaths and has filed suit to try to get more complete information about “Army Complicit(y) in Wrongful Wartime Civilian Deaths” from the Department of Defense noting that:
Since U.S. troops first set foot in Afghanistan in 2001, the Defense Department has gone to unprecedented lengths to control and suppress information about the human costs of war.
As we move into Petraeus Spin Week, how many of our representatives will speak up for an end to these human costs and a reconciliation with the world’s people who are asking us to get out of Iraq now?
Photo: An Iraqi girl walks past a house destroyed overnight in a US air strike in the al-Washash neighbourhood of Mansour district in west Baghdad. US combat helicopters and tanks have bombarded a Baghdad neighbourhood in pre-dawn strikes, killing 14 sleeping civilians and destroying houses, angry residents and Iraqi officials said.(AFP/Ahamd Al-Rubaye)
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Siun!
Siun!
I’m so glad to see you posting on this Siun. Thank you!
Good post. And yes, no one seems to point out the Iraqi people want us out.
Words cannot describe American belligerence and murder in the Middle East. And for what? Oil.
And while we’re on the subject of people speaking out, check out this atrocity (via Crooks and Liars).
Siun!…Yay!
Thanks, Siun, for continuing to spread light on a dark corner of the world.
Bob in HI
Siun, Thanks for the post. In answer to your question about my representatives speaking up, I can guaratee that will happen but not in the way you intend. I live in GA and the reps down here will speak up loudly and proudly in favor of the pres and Petraeus.
Citizen Norske,
Please see my comment toward the end of the thread downstairs.
I respect very much your service.
That’s a remarkable survey and you won’t hear about it here in the US, unless you’re watching BBC news or some other foreign outlet.
Almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers have died for a lie and oil which doesn’t even belong to us. And a million Iraqis have perished since George W. Bush foisted his insanity upon us.
From the previous post and in the spirit of the BetrayUS Report: Electric Boogaloo (is there any doubt this is all one giant sham?!?)
———————-
Don’t if this has been talked about here already but….WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
I’ve been resisting the conspiracy talk but this is unbelievable! Under a Yahoo headline “bin Laden urges Americans to Convert:”
“He also shows a grasp of current events, dropping mentions of global warming and saying Americans are “reeling under the burdens” of a mortgage crisis.
And he praises author Noam Chomsky, an early critic of the Iraq war, as well as Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA’s bin Laden unit, who has said poor U.S. leadership was losing the war against terrorist groups.”
This is just one snippet out of many like this. As if bin Forgotten is a connoisseur of cable TV. Jeezus, this latest round of bin Laden video hype is absolute proof that it’s all a sham in my mind. Goddamn, we’ve got to stop these killers. NOW!
To add insult to injury, betray-us’s charts he’ll use in his ‘oral’ congressional testimony, will not be available for dissemination…!!! WTF???
Not really OT but Bush says the Bin Laden tape reminds us that we live in a dangerous world. I say no kidding, we’ve been living in a dangerous world since the Supreme Court elected you, Mr. President.
JPL @ 15
Yes that’s right up there with his observation that the Iraqi people do not like people trying to take over their country…..
Oklahoma kiddo @ 12
The deaths of little people, no matter the reasons, no matter their country of origin, have no effect on members of the Bush family.
And some have told us we have to pull out of Iraq “responsibly” and that we need to “prepare for the next war”. Bullshit.
I’m going to Washington, D.C., for the September 15 rally against the military occupation in Iraq.
FDL has helped me grow.
At least the BBC is doing some media work.
Badwater @ 17
That’s so true. Even LBJ had anguish as the war raged on.
Little boots is doing just fine. “kicking ass” indeed.
Jonathan @ 19
Yay! Wish I could join you..)
Jonathan @ 19
Excellent! Keep us posted and remember that you speak for us!
Got your message last thread and responded.
really – that extra $50 billion bush wants for his pet occupations (and possible attack on iran)?… we should just give it to the iraqis (including the refugees).
it’s only about $2000 per person, and we certainly owe them more… but it would be a good start.
Apropos the weight of public opinion, this report talks about the weight borne by Iraqi civilians, who die and are wounded in numbers far beyond those in its own army, much less the occupiers:
the graph says it all.
Jonathan @ 19
bless you, bless you.
wish i were going too…
Laura Doty @ 25
wow!
I was struck by the sight of an Iraqi veteran willing to fight for our rights here.
I could only wonder what was going through his mind as he calmly assessed the situation and was trundled off to the DC police station.
Putting up a poster gets you arrested now. OMFG.
Do-Si-Do at 21
LBJ would cut out a person’s heart in a moment.
But, on some level, he cared about people.
Shrub, as someone said here the other day, is delusional and dangerously narcissistic.
Shrub’s a killer — using others to kill.
And taking pleasure.
Very off topic, sorry. Laura Doty, thanks much for your calming advice earlier this am. It helped me lots today. Back to lurking
The most ironic tragedy of all may be this: it is perfectly possible that withdrawing from Iraq could be the best military tactic to employ against al-Q in Iraq. The reasoning is thus: al-Q is largely a Sunni organization, and it is highly doubtful a Shia-dominated government would have trouble rooting out a Sunni terrorist group in their midst.
Knowing what was coming for them, they’d be fleeing Iraq so fast you could catch them in nets at the border.
And then the war in Iraq would be over.
Can’t have that…
CocoaBeach @ 30
why go back to lurking?
we want to hear what you think!
CocoaBeach @ 30
Thank YOU!! (And please don’t feel you must lurk…the water’s fine here at the lake!)
thank you siun, i always appreciate your grounding in what really matters…
Evening all!
The BBC does some very good work …
selise @ 24
Good idea. Or we could fix the levees.
selise @ 34
AMEN.
Jonathan @ 29
You got it.
Laura Doty @ 33
Sure, if a character like me can me can enjoy the lake, Open Swim!
Good post as always Suin, Keep up the good work!
Hi Siun. If I understand correctly, the only people who really want us in Iraq are the Bush admin and the big oil execs.
TexBetsy @ 40
Chalabi, too
KO reporting there will be no Betrayus report.
Eureka Springs @ 42
nonsense, he said there will be a post-it note. were you expecting more?
Eureka Springs @ 42
they’ve betrayed us!
Loo Hoo. @ 36
LooHoo, I’m with you. Other than humanitarian and withdrawal costs, the money should stop. Fix the levees, and by then the Iraqi government can tell us what they need from us.
I forgot Lindsey Graham:
TexBetsy @ 43
Yes, I wanted the white house to write lies and Betrayus to repeat them.
Seriously though..
We the people and congress were promised a report from Gen P and he damn sure ought to give one under oath, imo.
Also on Iraq ….
Scroll down to see the YouTube of Edward’s take on the Betrayus report.
There will be a straw poll vote tomorrow at the San Diego workshop. I still don’t know who I’ll vote for. Advise?
Josh has got to get a nicer gold shower curtain to put behind the candidates.
V V OT: Mary Bono, (Palm Springs-Rich trophy wives and the men who pay for their plastic surgery) and Connie Mack the XXXth (FL- senile rich old pharts who think he’s the HoF Connie Mack) are getting married. Wonder if this means Mary, being such a trad-fam type, will be giving up her seat to attend to her newest hubby’s domestic needs.
I await the comedy, snark and late night bawdiness, led by our own T-Rex, to this news with hope and anticipation.
1,591 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Brother Johnathan @ #10:
I suspect you were a grunt, bro, but no matter, you, of course have my respect.. we respect the history and our brothers and sisters and those who weren’t lucky enough ta get back ta the world. We have respect but we also have a special responsibility to our children and grandchildren and to those “giants in the earth” who served before us…we simply hafta stop this horrible killin’, I don’t think we ken save our country’s soul but we have an obligation to the rest of the world to keep from takin’ theirs.
Peace, brother Johnathan and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND LOOK ‘EM RIGHT IN THE FUCKIN’ EYE!
TexBetsy @ 46
I’m stunned.
another beyond belief moment courtesy of the Republican Party.
Mercy!
Eureka Springs @ 47
I would be nice to scrutinize the charts’ numbers and methodology that he’ll present…!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 49
All of the above.
CTuttle @ 53
Which is why you’ll never get to see any of it.
Norske at 51
Not so noble as a grunt.
Was a military intelligence officer (Army) in III Corps 15 Sept 1971 – 14 September 1972.
Did collection and counterintelligence work.
TexBetsy @ 55
That executive pixie dust is some serious sh*t…!!!
Jonathan @ 10
Kak dela, tovarish?
TexBetsy @ 46
Funny, when the Iraqi parliament reconvened, there were only 151 members in attendance.
Corruption is still rampant.
Various tribes are disconnecting electrical generating stations in their areas from the grid to preserve electricity for themselves.
The fellow Bush called “a hero” during his closeted visit to Anbar province, Sattar Abu Rishah, is in trouble in his own home town, being accused of operating like a warlord….
Lindsey Graham, it must be said, has shit for brains.
This Bin Laden tape does sound like a set up for the Democrats to be called his biggest ally. It’s not hard to believe this is a totally created tape.
By the way, why is it when one of these tapes appears the CIA is all over it like it’s the only lead they’ve had in months? Is anyone even trying to find him?
PS Johnathan:
I left ya a response down stream…
CTuttle @ 53
I’d like to know who HAS seen the numbers.
David Walker, U.S. Comptroller General, didn’t see the number s himself. And he is the US Comptroller reporting to Congress!
Elliott @ 52
OMG I didn’t realize Iraq was a football game!!!!
montag @ 59
But he thinks it smells like rose petals.
Ruby Tuesday @ 50
Beware the Bono-Mack, going snicker-snack….
Elliott @ 62
Stalin and his buddies Molotov and Virishilov and Vezhov routinely kept the true numbers of everything from the Russian people and from the rest of the Central Committee.
This crew is working off a script.
I want George W. Bush held accountable for his horrendous war crimes. You cannot hide Mr. Bush. You will be hunted down as the Jews did with the Teutonic monsters of World War II in South America.
james @ 66
they couldn’t MAKE THIS STUFF UP
on their own.
james,
What language is that?
A point I have been trying to get across the last few days is that all the monthly numbers on civilian deaths are BS. Here is one comparison from TPMmuckraker between UN estimates and Iraqi figures as reported by the AP for 2006:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004098.php
That is 33,717 vs. 12,357, a difference of over 20,000.
I think that a much more reliable indicator of the security situation in Iraq is to be found in the estimates of Iraqis who have fled abroad or who have been internally displaced.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
which is where they’ll find him, don’t you think?
Jonathan @ 19
Bring a mask bro. There was tularemia dispersed along the march route at the one I was at in September 2005.
Hugh @ 70
excellent point.
james @ 66
All I can think is that the lies in the report are so transparent that no one with an ounce of sense could accept them or the numbers are so bad even the WH can’t spin them.
Jonathan @ 69
Means “How’s it going, comrade?” in Russian
Hugh @ 70
there’s a striking difference there!
And you make a great point about tracking those who flee.
Ruby Tuesday @ 50
A marriage made in neocon heaven.
I wish the bride and groom a wonderful wedding, and a surging honeymoon in Anbar.
If Betrayus goes in with no written report and crapola for his oral report, Hillary has a chance to touch the stars. If she gets tough with Betrayus the way that Leahy reamed Sara Taylor, she’s won herself the presidency of the United States of America.
AP – President Bush said Saturday that Osama bin Laden’s first video appearance in three years is a reminder of “the dangerous world in which we live.”
james @ 75
How’d you learn it?
The ACLU materials are worth digging into … they’ve put 10,000 new pages of documents they’ve managed to get on civilian deaths in a searchable database.
Elliott @ 44
I don’t think he wants his fingerprints on anything else from this point out just in case there are trials under our own laws here in the US for war crimes.
Jonathan @ 80
Self-taught….I spend btw a month and six weeks in Russia every year.
james @ 82
Think he’s using the RNC server for his emails?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 79
To which I can only reply:
ToraBoraToraBoraToraBora
I have a sense of deja vu.
Born in 1945.
Went to college in the 1960s.
War protests today.
So pale in comparison. Yet some similarities.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
I think most everyone here is with you, OKK. Bush, along with his sorry excuse for a VP.
james @ 83
Hey, and I mean this, just like Lee Harvey Oswald (supposedly).
TexBetsy @ 84
He’s using Judy Miller’s account :)
There was tularemia dispersed along the march route at the one I was at in September 2005.
What is tularemia? And who put it there?
Jonathan @ 88
I know and Oswald was a Marine also.
Only difference is I was smart enough to turn down the invitation from the spooks and Oswald was sent to Monterey Language School by the Marines to learn his skills.
Really, the langauage is not that hard once you get the a;phabet and a few strange characters in it down and the absence of the use of pronouns and a few other things.
Russians LOVE it when you speak to them in their own language.
allan_in_upstate @ 77
Bum link on the blushing one, but the groom needs to get to a dentist, pronto!
Durbin opposes new war funding without troop cuts…
Recently back from his third trip from Iraq, Durbin declared in a speech to the Center for National Policy that members of Congress now face a “moral obligation” to stop funding for the war.
“More than on either of my earlier visits, I feel overwhelmed by the tragedy we have created—for Iraq, for its neighbors, for America’s image around the world, and for our troops,” Durbin said.
“I used to think this war was our worst foreign policy mistake in a generation. Now I think it is our worst foreign policy mistake ever,” he added.
(snip)
http://weblogs.chicagotribune……_more.html
Loo Hoo. @ 90
Tularemia is a bioweapon (in this case a bacterial agent also known as “rabbit fever”) and it was obviously aerosolized which leads me to believe the military-industrial-complex and someone from Fort Detrick put it there.
Siun @ 81
The methodological problems that an unknown number are unreported, underreported, or misreported remain.
The only way I can see to address these defects is either to look for indirect indicators like emigration or do epidemiological studies like the Lancet study.
Loo Hoo. @ 90
1961
Went hunting with my cousin for Thanksgiving dinner.
A farm (long paved over) outside Chicago.
He got rabbits and pheasants with a .410.
Great meal. Number 6 shot in the entrees.
And, oh. Got to get the bunnies after the first frost. Otherwise, they’ve got toulerimia.
Jonathan @ 86
The difference is there’s no Mobe today
GLORIOUS. Aussies give Bush the bum’s rush.
I thought I wrote that the Mary Bono photo was a bum link and that her new hubby? needed to see a dentist lickitysplitly.
Laura Doty @ 98
Cheeky Aussies! ;-)
LoudounLib @ 100
They were probably inspired by his moonstruck behavior at the Opera House today!
Jayt …that’s good news on Durbin since he had previously said he’d vote for the $50 billion.
Maybe we’re making progress!
Yes, james.
No mobilization against the war.
The problem is suburbs and money.
Americans are bought off.
Laura Doty @ 98
Video here.
LoudounLib @ 100
lol
Well I’m off to Monterey County to introduce my mother to her new Mac. Who knows, maybe you’ll be seeing another Doty paddling around the lake.
Thank you Siun, as always. Happy weekend everyone.
Laura Doty @ 106
Enjoy Laura.
Thank you TB. I hope you’re able to rest easy and free.
Who thinks things will be better in 5 years?
10 years?
20 years?
Laura Doty @ 108
Thanks, may take another nap.
BTW, hi james…you asked me a question earlier today, I was gone already, whether I had read two books by Richard Evans…No, I regret to say I have not.
Jonathan @ 109
yes
Eureka Springs @ 112
I’m working towards that but I fear things will get worse before they get better.
AFSC has been in Syria and Jordan dealing with Iraqi refugees. Raed Jarrar and Noah Merrill are on a speaking tour to give a first hand account of reality in Iraq and refugees.
Nightmare Beyond Borders:
The Iraqi Displacement Crisis and
What Can Be Done To Stop It
Raed Jarrar
Raed Jarrar is an Iraqi political analyst and consultant to AFSC’s Iraq Program currently based in Washington, D.C. After the U.S.-led invasion, Jarrar became the country director for CIVIC Worldwide, the only door-to-door casualty survey group in post-war Iraq. He then established Emaar, (meaning “reconstruction” in Arabic), a grassroots organization that provided humanitarian and political aid to Iraqi internally displaced persons (IDPs). Emaar delivered medicine and food as well as helped initiate micro-enterprise projects for IDPs, with specific concern directed towards women and children. Additionally, Emaar engaged in political advocacy on behalf of populations displaced due to ethnic discrimination. In the News
On the Iraqi Oil law (CBC)
“The Iraq Oil Law is a little known document at the heart of the war.
“Critics of the Iraq oil law say it will deprive Iraqis of billions in oil revenues and worsen tensions between regions, ethnic groups, and religions. Critics also point to a long paper trail of US involvement in the drafting of the law.
“Blogger Raed Jarrar is one of those critics. In February 2007, Jarrar obtained a copy of the law from a source inside the Green Zone in Baghdad – before the Iraqi Parliament had even seen it. The draft law, says Jarrar, was in part written by American consulting firm Bearing Point, a company that got a $240 million contract from the US government to draw up plans for Iraq’s reconstruction.”
Read or Watch the story on CBC >
Raed’s AFSC Projects
• SPEAKING TOUR: Nightmare Beyond Borders
The Iraqi Displacement Crisis and What Can Be Done To Stop It
http://www.afsc.org/iraq/tour/default.htm
Leaving Home – You can read this story of an Iraqi woman who has a blog in which she documents daily hell she, her family and neighbors go through.
It is called Baghdad Burning.
Baghdad Burning – Riverbend
LoudounLib @ 100
How are things in your neck of the woods tonight?
selise @ 24
That money is reserved for the neocon business and MI complex financial interests who put Bush in Iraq for the sole purpose of looting the U.S. Treasury. It will not go to either the troops or the citizens of Iraq.
That wouldn’t be prudent.
Jonathan @ 109
Once we’ve amended the Constitution to allow Bills of Attainder specifically for all members of the Bush family based on blood tests and that crew has been taken care of we can star on ridding the bench of ALL members of the Federalist Society. It would be nice if we could criminalize membership in that group like membership in the Nazi Party was ipso facto criminal.
It’s gonna be OK, I can feel it.
But we have a lot of fucking work to do, don’t we?
LoudounLib @ 100
has the protest started there yet?
james @ 115
Good here, how about with you?
LoudounLib @ 100
HI LL!
Elliott @ 118
Yes. I’m protesting having to go back to work tomorrow!
Jonathan @ 19
i’ll be there, too, with son
LoudounLib @ 121
707!!
Above the fold at cnn.com:
Lawyer: Both parents now suspects
U.S. official: Voice on video is bin Laden
Stunt pilot killed in crash
First lady to have ‘routine’ surgery
CNNMoney: Hilton fumes over ‘hot’ cards
‘High School’ star apologizes for nude pics
KOCO: Cops charged in boy’s shooting death
Ticker: ‘Law & Order’ star challenged to debate
‘Wrinkle in Time’ author dies at 88
KGTV: Diocese settles with abuse victims
Can MREs pass muster with civilians?
CNNMoney: Lender plans to cut up to 12,000 jobs
Mega Millions winner ‘can’t believe it’
‘Do Not Call’ list expiring after 5 years
CNN Heroes: People making a difference
Cell phone new apron string for freshmen
O.K., Madeleine L’Engle’s death I consider genuine news.
“Voice on video is bin Laden”, “Diocese settles with abuse victims”, and
“Lender plans to cut up to 12,000 jobs” are in the dog-bites-man category.
Otherwise: good grief.
This has to be the only website to get quite while KO is on.
james @ 117
Things can get better if the democrats decide to act now. Otherwise, I doubt it.
Kathryn in MA @ 122
That makes three!
Loo Hoo. @ 126
Well then, we’re just going to have to push them harder.
Kathryn in MA @ 122
Kathryn in MA
Good to know.
james @ 91
My ex-husband got the same offer and also went to Monterey Language School. They just forgot one little detail – to tell him they were training him to be a spy. They told him that afterwards in weapons training. He told them he refused to follow orders to use a weapon on another human being. He didn’t kill people. There was a military trial and he was sentenced to six years in Leavenworth for refusing to follow orders to weapons train and use them on another human being. The warden did not like having political prisoners in his jail. It was created for criminals. So, after a period of time, the warden asked him if he would be willing to take an “Undesirable Discharge” and he accepted it. He was released immediately. That was in the early sixties. They got tougher later. Spooks were everywhere, in every Embassy, branch of military, front organizations, front businesses. You name it.
Siun @ 102
Jayt …that’s good news on Durbin since he had previously said he’d vote for the $50 billion.
Maybe we’re making progress!
I think Congress should tell Bush that if he wants money, he’s gotta go find it himself. Look for all of the billions that was
stolen by his buddies“lost” – what he finds and recovers, he can spend.I usually don’t get much out of Blitzer’s “Situation Room” except some filler b4 the Daily Show repeat comes on, but that Jack Cafferty fella delivered a most impressive, and apparently spontaneous, rant this evening about bush’s “dangerous world” bullshit.
new thread upstairs
I am off to sleep a bit. Hope to be back for late night. Eli’s upstairs.
A sign of hope:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..45,00.html
Link thanks to a DailyKos diary by ‘what if’:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..73216/4829
Jonathan @ 86
I was at Ohio State in the early 60s when we rioted because our Board (or Trustees, not sure) turned down an invitation to (I think) the Rose Bowl.
Since I’m not a football fan, the details are hazy, but I was struck not too many years later by the substantive issues we should have been rioting about, and how silly we seemed in hindsight.
Although I read recently that OSU’s former President categorized OSU as a rioting school. But it sure isn’t over a war.
Updated: 43 minutes ago
COLUMBUS, Ohio – U.S. Rep. Paul Gillmor, who was found dead in his apartment in suburban Washington earlier this week, died of blunt head and neck trauma consistent with a fall down stairs, according to a medical examiner’s report released Friday.
MSNBC
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
that’s just what i was thinking
Kathryn in MA @ 138
The only guy they got was Eichmann
Klaus Barbie was allowed to remain in Bolivia as head of its security services, working hand in hand in creating Operation CONDOR with Pinochet until the mid-80s. It was in spite of the US that he was extradicted to France.
There are still plenty of Nazis left in Paraguay, Argentina, Ecuador, and Brazil in addition to Germany.
The idea that the Nazis were hunted down after WWII is a myth. Some of them were tried at Nuremberg, a lot of them came here to work on our space program with SS Colonel Werner von Braun.
TexBetsy @ 46
He and Bush need a good swift kick in their asses. But not being the violent type I would settle for impeachment.
Consider the opinions and desires of Iraqis? You must be kidding. We are forcing American democracy and global corporatism on them, not pandering to their stupid little wishes! As soon as the Iraqis have been re-educated, they will automatically want whatever America wants. And by “whatever America wants” I mean whatever the Neocons want. The Unitary Executive!
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Great comment! The Iraqi perspective is totally lost on Americans, filtered out, as it is daily, by the Pentagon and the steno pool once known as the fourth estate. Greater exposure is needed, stat.
Slightly off topic, if the Pentagon were ordered to close, i.e., if it were decommissioned, I’m certain the military would turn on Americans with the same ferocity it unleashes on civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq and in eastern Europe back during the Clinton Junta. The military is just as out of control as the White House.
great post siun, sorry i missed it earlier. i wasn’t aware of the ACLU suit either.