How are Rahm Emanuel and Disco Stu alike?
Well, they’re both men stuck in a prior decade: Disco Stu in the 70′s and Rahm Emanuel in the screw the base 90′s.
They are different, though. Disco’s Stu’s fixations merely abet fashion crimes. Rahm Emanuel? Well, you be the judge.
Yesterday Truthout ran an examination of how Emanuel, who remains in a position to do candidate recruitment for the DCCC this cycle, used his similar position last time around to sabotage the campaigns of grassroots progressives who favored leaving Iraq, all so he could recruit candidates who, when they’ve won, have gone on to provide Bush and the Republicans everything they want on Iraq and more.
According to his critics, Emanuel played kingmaker by financially supporting his favored candidates during primary contests with other Democrats. His critics say that this interference was in direct contradiction of a DCCC policy to “remain neutral” in party primaries.
In but one of its researched examples, the Truthout article dicusses Emanuel’s effort to sabotage Christine Cegelis in favor of his hand picked, out of district resident and favorite, Tammy Duckworth:
According to Spidel, Emanuel worked against Cegelis because of her support for withdrawal from Iraq and her outspoken opposition to “free trade” legislation like the Central American Free Trade Agreement. “In 2006 the DCCC was Emanuel’s personal weapon. He executed based on his needs. He needed votes on ‘free trade’ legislation that he supports, and he knew that [Cegelis] was one of the Democrats who would vote her own way,” Spidel said.
Spidel said that Emanuel worked to defeat Cegelis because she represented a threat to the established Illinois Democrats and because she did not seek their approval before running. “Chicago politics is a family. If you didn’t go into the city and kiss certain rings, you were not given certain resources like Political Action Committee lists and donor lists. Cegelis’ success hurt some egos and the party didn’t like their lack of control,” Spidel said.
There are more examples, though none of this should be news to longtime FDL readers and supporters of Blue America. Blue America exists, in no small part, to make up for the top-down, anti-democratic (and anti-Democratic), ideologically conservative machinations of some powerfully placed Democratic Party “leaders.” As Howie Klein says (via email):
As for Rahm’s recruits strengthening what some call “centrist” positions– and what I call reactionary positions– just look at how they vote.
The freshmen voting most frequently abandoning the Democrats in order to vote with the Republicans are Heath Shuler (personally recruited by Rahm), Jason Altmire (not a Rahm candidate), Joe Donnelly (a Rahm candidate), Brad Ellsworth (a Rahm candidate), Baron Hill (relentlessly pursued by Rahm to run), and Nick Lampson (I hope some Texans will make public how Rahm made this happen; I’m bound to silence).
These are the guys who keep voting with the GOP on issue after issue after issue, and who constantly weaken Pelosi’s chance to forge a working progressive majority. Rahm’s big mistake in 2005-06 was his pigheaded belief that real anti-war candidates couldn’t win and that grassroots candidates are worthless.
Renner’s work was well researched and didn’t go into other races that paint an even worse picture of Rahm’s role. Many of the ones he didn’t address involved the eventual progressive winners who were opposed by Rahm but won anyway, and who want to get along with Rahm now– such as John Hall who Rahm opposed in the primary in favor of an establishment “centrist.” Hall beat her and then went on to win the seat against a Republican incumbent in a red district and votes as though he represents a blue district.
[snip]
There were other close races. . . that were even closer and did not get any support, or, in some cases, VERY LATE and therefore nearly useless support– from the DCCC. Some of these close races included:
OH-02: Victoria Wulsin: Emanuel-supported race in OH-01 for Cranley, who is a middle of the road, safe candidate who doesn’t rock any boats. Even with Emanuel’s support it turned out to be a 53/47% defeat. Right next door we had a real fiery grassroots, anti-war candidate who very much does rock boats. Emanuel ignored her and she came much closer to victory in a 51-49% defeat.
NY-25: Dan Maffei: 51-49%; ignored by Emanuel until the very end, too late to matter; I’m certain Van Hollen won’t make the same mistake.
CO-04: Angie Paccione: 46-43%; ignored by Emanuel.
NC-08: Larry Kissell: Lost by 459 votes; ignored by Emanuel until the last minute/too late; everything went to Shuler, who votes a lot like a Republican.
MI-09: Nancy Skinner: 52/46%; ignored by Emanuel.
WY (at large): Gray Trauner: This race was so close– it was a 50/50 defeat with Cubin winning by 970 votes– that a friend at the DNC who couldn’t get any assistance from Emanuel asked a mutual friend of ours if Blue America had any plans to jump into the race… please, please, please.
The actual list of Emanuel’s actions to sabotage grassroots Democrats whose positions actually track those of their local constituents, on Iraq and other issues, is longer still than this, but you get the idea. Those Bush Dogs who have been handing Bush a conservative governing majority in spite of the popular will of their local constituents? Those are Rahm Emanuel’s people, his posse.
Can someone tell me why we call this guy a Democrat at all, let alone give him and his stooge Steny Hoyer leadership positions from which to stab the party and Speaker Pelosi in the back?
For a little more on ways Emanuel undercuts Democrats on trade, the Iraq occupation, the Bill of Rights, the rights of migrant workers, war with Iran, etc., check out the links in this post from last week.
Disco Stu may be harmless and funny, but Rahm Emanuel most decidedly is not. It’s up to the base of the party to call him and his Bush appeasing conservative allies out, run primaries against them as necessary, and force them to rejoin the party or be surpassed by people powered politics. As Tom Schaller points out, our pathway to a national majority that way lies.
Chris Bowers has his own take on the Truthout article, and Howie Klein posted a bit yesterday as well.



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Here is the new MoveOn poll:
Should we support primary challengers against some Democrats who side with the President on Iraq?
MoveOn link
TGIF!
Dancing in the Streets – Martha and the Vandellas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK8y8woAIMQ
Down with CAFTA!
Pach!
Out with the Rahm, in with the blue!
EPU’d from below, and very germaine here. I think you can’t begin to understand Rahm’s decisions without understanding how Is*ael plays into this. If you are against the war, you are seen to be anti-Is*aeli interests. And alas, now it is not just Rahm and the DLC it is also other Dems. Richmond @ 107
Bueller….Bueller
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nXPYuedHdiE
Anyone paying attention to patent overhaul debated on the house floor????
Marcy Kaptur a Dem does not support overhaul along with Repubs for valid reasons. 1 hour of debate for an important issue as this, is absurd………………….
maybe I should have put this on the last thread, but
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20640658/
Thanks for this. Gives me more ammunition/specifics to use when I get mailings/phone calls from DCCC folks.
James Joyce @ 9
No. But I am deeply worried about the net neutrality issue. I think that will have consequences of limiting access to blogs that are seen as too “left” leaning. Also it wil be a catastropy for anyone who does international work. How are African’s and others supposed to pay for this? Anyone with any expertise on this have any ideas on the broader impact of net neutrality?
How’s everyone doing?
Pach:
Please can you post the link where you analyze those three defacto parties again? I think it’s germane here. I’ll bookmark it for the future.
oddmommy @ 10
Well of course, that will now be used by the Rethugs adn the Dems as a reason NOT to stop the war. Can’t do what Osama-mama says now can we.
Mauimom @ 11
man,those f*ckers have been calling me nonstop. Maybe they are targeting our area.
Where is the outrage? Arrests and harassment for putting up posters legally. Watch the video:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/7/74259/41317
America’s three parties.
BTW, Alicia, I left you something EPU’d on last thread. :)
Pachacutec @ 13
I’m still laughing my butt off from the last thread and from the write-your-own-caption post at C&L. Larry Craig alert!
Then on a serious note, I wonder if anyone has posted a chart of all the vacancies at the DOJ. Sheldon Whitehouse internship, right there.
How you doin’?
Pach: Thanks!
Open Left link
I donated to Chris Dodd yesterday (even though I remain in the Edwards camp) and included a message that it was due to his promise to tie funding to deadlines for withdrawl.
I’m tired of feeling like Charlie Brown, though. And will give the dems this one last chance to stand up.
A vote by the pres candidates to end the war is not nearly good enough. If these leaders in the Senate cannot bring about change then they’re not strong enough leaders.
This country has certifiably gone insane.
I’m tired.
Richmond @ 12
I haven’t been following what’s going on with net neutrality lately. What’s going on now?
Just in case anyone is interested in writing for AirCongress.
Pachacutec @ 18
Firepups:
For those who haven’t read it: To fully understand the post above, read Pach’s analysis (in the link immediately above) of the three defacto political parties currently operating in the US.
Rahm should start a new party;
republicans that don’t want to call themselves republicans
anything i get from dccc or the dlc gets deleted or thrown in the trash! what pennies i have i try to be mindful as to who i give them…might not be much but i believe every bit helps…after dealing with the irs i hope to be able once again to give support where its recommended…rahm and steny both are tools for dem neocons imo
SufiLizard @ 25
DoJ announced yesterday that they don’t believe in Net Neutrality and that they think it is unnecessary. Basically BushCo paying off ATT/Verizon et al
SufiLizard @ 25
The DOJ has officially come out against Net Neutrality.
SufiLizard @ 25
http://www.savetheinternet.com/
Pearl Jam and google
I also saw Carville on the tube supporting Larry Craig. Who are these assholes?
On topic – The Nancy Skinner loss was a huge loss for Michigan IMO – her war chest was just a tiny percentage of the Republican’s Joe Knollenberg (a total yes-man to the administration’s whims) and yet she came very, very close to winning. A little help would’ve put her in the winner’s circle. Sad.
Off topic – Here’s John Edwards war on terrorism speech from today. Has some excellent points.
http://johnedwards.com/news/sp…..terrorism/
Rahm is our Karl Rove, except that most of the time he might as well be Karl Rove.
Do we even need the DCCC? Maybe the message needs to be “Thanks, but no thanks – we’ll choose our own candidates and will not contribute to any DCCC chosen candidates. Why don’t you just hand that money over to us, k?”
Rahm’s action in support of Duckworth against Cegelis was the main reason that I did not donate as much as one penny to the DCCC last year, and led me to find ActBlue.
Unfortunately, Rahm is not alone. Isn’t he a DLC hack? My perception that the DLC last year was in control of both DCCC and DSCC led me to ignore funding appeals from the DSCC as well. ActBlue was my friend.
How do we fight against these bozos, other than turning a deaf ear to their funding appeals?
And after reading Swopa downstairs, how do we get some backbone for our national Party leadership?
Bob in HI
Pachacutec @ 13
Your post perked me up immeasurably, thank you very much Pach! I’d like to see the netroots provoke Emanuel into an online debate with you. How I dream.
LS @ 17
Thanks L.S. this is really shocking!
Who is going to run against Rahm? That’s my question. I don’t know anyone who is planning a run, or who even thinks its viable. The last challenger was so pathetic even IVI-IPO didn’t endorse him … because he had no clue about major issues. So while I know a lot of people who would work hard for a serious challenger to Rahm, and a fair number who are dying to vote against him in a meaningful way, I know of no one who is willing to actually run against him.
Man, I need a haircut, my 1980’s era white boy ‘fro is back (must come from moving from the city to the land that time forgot and being surrounded by a bunch of DFH’s up here in the north woods) because I am starting to look like Stu again.
But seriously folks, while the Republican party works to purge its ranks of the closeted man-lovers, Dems have to clean their closets of the last vestiges of the political machines, groups that get pissed when you don’t kowtow to their demands. I had too much of that crap growing up in and near Philly.
gman @ 35
not quite though, rahm gets republicans elected as democrats, rove got fasucists elected as republicans
bit of a differance there
bobinhi@37
now that is the 64k question….putting spine back in dems
How about a primary challenge against Rahm?
oh oh oh!
you know the “jews for jesus” movement?
rahm can start the ‘democrats for republicans” movement…excellant
LS @ 17
LS: thank you for posting. I just returned here to FDL after viewing the video.
Good God, I just cannot believe it! Those are very brave citizens!!!
Outrageous!
RonD @ 19
Wow, RonD – what a great quote. Thanks!
dakine01 @ 30
If you use ATT or verizon give OpenDNS a try.
Mauimom @ 11
I will never give them another red cent. I can’t support the shredding of the Constitution, or the complicit cowards who sit idly by. Blue America rawks!
LS @ 17
Looks like the sixties to me. Saw police behaving badly before, give it time, some will understand that police are making themselves look bad. Do you think the d’s will respond?
Might be interesting to see if the outrage we feel is shared by our ‘leaders’.
raven @ 33
I hope Carville is as tolerant and outspoken for those who were just arrested in DC for putting up posters at a pre announced press conference.
Sheila Jackson Lee was informed that there was a satellite spying program in the works by reading it in the WSJ. She is on the Homeland Security committee. That is insane.
When are we going to get these people out of here?
Disco Stu is the reason AZ has 1 1/2 freshman Bush dog congresscritters. Mine applied to the Bush dogs and was turned down but IS on the waiting list.
Ya it was Disco Stu who did not help Ellen Simons in AZ CD-01 smash Rick Renzi even when it was leaked that Renzi was about to be indicted (ya and our USA was fired and just where is that investigation?)
I posted an Alaska US House Democrartic Primary race update yesterday. Hopefully, Diane Benson’s statement regarding the canard that she will “Pull a Joe Lieberman” if she doesn’t win the Democratic Primary, will put the opposition’s rumor mill to rest:
I reassure all,
I am not leaving the party for any reason.
I expect to win the Primary, and look forward to Jake’s support.
And I will endorse whoever the Party chooses in the Primary.
Hopefully, the Benson campaign will flesh out her progressive image compared to the opposition by the end of September. Right now, we’re preparing a package to submit to Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones in regard to Don Young’s illegal insertion of Florida road earmarks after the legislation had been passed.
perris @ 45
Love it! Maybe some creative rascal can launch an online campaign immediately and see how Rahn likes a taste of Dick Tuckery.
David W. Bartoo @ 50
Exactly! Interesting to note in the video that even the poor horse getting spurs in his side didn’t want to run over the people!
The lefty blogs got noticed with its support for Lamont. We need to target a couple of races and show our teeth. Baird and Carney would be my choices.
Happy epu’ed… way OT
My daughter just had a baby boy at St Elizabeth’s actually (St. Margaret’s)…
I’m calling him John Edwards, and with luck
he will vote against the Repugs in 2008…
Her shower was scheduled for Sunday?
Go Ned!
tw3k @ 48
Do you use it? What do you think?
This hoked up conspiracy theory is a crock. Emanuel was completely open about what he thought needed to be done in historically Republican districts — recruit centrist candidates. For example, the district formerly represented by right-wing loon Henry Hyde, which you prominently discuss. You can argue that this was the wrong strategy, or that it was unnecessary in a year of change like 2006. You can argue that Emanuel made incorrect choices on the ground. But the strategy isn’t incoherent and there’s no reason to believe that Emanuel was motivated in his choices by anything other than his desire to succeed at the task he was charged with, to elect more Democrats.
As to the charge that Cook county is basically run by a big-city Democratic machine of the old school — maybe the last effective one remaining in the country — that’s true. It sometimes leads to some horrifically anti-democratic outcomes — check out the story of how Todd Stroger ended up the President of the Cook County Board of Commissioners — but on the other hand I live in a Congressional district that has been represented by a Democrat for all the living memory, and pretty ably, too.
Congrats BSL.
LS @ 56
In the past, horses clearly did not want to run over people, unlike certain folks we might mention, looks as if ‘horse sense’ remains, among horses. Suspect that our ‘leaders’ will feel any response is beneath them.
Bay State Librul @ 58
Congratulations all around and especially for the new mother.
Bay State Librul @ 58
Congrats! that’s great news! Every new Dem helps!
The media brand certain political figures and once branded the branding never changes:
John McCain is a maverick no matter how much he sucks up to the Religious Right or embraces the War in Iraq.
Similarly, Joe Lieberman is a moderate, a centrist, and bipartisan.
John Warner is a Defense expert and a big supporter of the troops. Yet he continues to vote with Bush to keep them in a meaningless war where they can get killed.
Richard Lugar is a foreign poicy expert. He too ends up backing Bush when it comes time to vote in all of his insane foreign policy blunders.
So should any of us be surprised when Rahm and Schumer are credited as the “political geniuses behind the Democratic win in 2006″ even though most of the credit belonged to the base and Howard Dean?
It’s all branding. Rahm grabbed credit for what he didn’t deserve. The media were too lazy to factcheck at the time, and once their branding as been conferred will never do so now.
Congrats, BSL.
Congratulations, BayStateLib & family!
oddmommy @ 10
maybe I should have put this on the last thread, but
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20640658/
So Cheney’s shop finally has that video finished? Took ‘em long enough – child’s play, with today’s technology.
Isn’t Rahm a little too boring to be Disco Stu.?
OT, I think we were right on the money in our discussion last night about the OBL tape. Chertoff just said that it contains no real threats.. so it’s basically gloating and a victory jig from OBL… how the war in Iraq will harm America, how Americans now live in fear, etc etc. Why would the evil one threaten to attack us when he has every reason to think we’re doing more damage than he could ever dream of causing by attacking ourselves?
Branding that sticks: Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, the Maine sisters and “moderate” Repugs.
Bay State Librul @ 58
Great News, Grandpa !
gman @ 35
Rahm only aspires to be ‘our’ Rove.
Fact of the matter is that he loses too much.
The 2006 midterms favored the Dems in spite of Rahm’s ’strategy’ not because of it.
Branding that sticks:
Talking to right-wing (of course) B-list radio personality Hugh Hewitt, Lieberman said yesterday:
“Look, there have been a couple of votes here, two, three, four votes over the last six months where I was the only Democrat, and it was really disappointing to me, shocking to me.”Kos
If you can’t be in DC 9/15, there is a phone protest:
http://www.chimpsternation.com…..eadID=1325
Twain @ 71
Bay State Librul @ 58
Congratulations!
On Edwards though, I’m a little nervous about his new proposal to create a new global anti-terrorism agency/reaction force. On the surface, it kinda sounds a little neoconish to me… in a multilateral kind of way, but still….
Did I mention how reptillian Rahm is in person?
It would not surprise me to see him snag a fly out of the air with his tongue.
(He’s my Rep, you see)
Alicia @ 60
I like it. Mostly because I can refresh the domain name cache which verizon is slow about.
if there’s a moderator around who’s is willing to fix my poor parsing on #76, I would be much obliged :)… there should be no blockquotes at all. I cannot get edit to work, for some reason.
[Mod: Sure. No extra charge.]
according to the truthout article, rahm emmanual was appointed to head the dccc by speaker pelosi. that he is still in a “in a position to do candidate recruitment for the DCCC this cycle,” does not sound, to me, like speaker pelosi thinks he is a back stabber… otherwise she’d have chosen someone else. no?
jayt @ 69
So Cheney’s shop finally has that video finished? Took ‘em long enough – child’s play, with today’s technology.
Bin Laden is a Bush political operative? Who knew!
jayt @ 69
From what we’ve heard of the content.. no fear, no threats.. just gloating and confidence … this is not the OBL video that Cheney would’ve wanted to make. If OBL manages to come off sounding like an actual leader (as opposed to our real leaders), then we will be forced to appreciate in full measure how far up the creek without a paddle shrub’s War on Error has left us. Urgghhh.
Coming in late and don’t have time to read all above or stay, but I went to the local Drinking LIberally group last night for the first time. It was started and seems to be sustained by the county Young Democrats. They talk centrism—what a surprise—saying that it is a red area trending blue but not there yet. They’ve got a lot to learn about how this all really happens and hurts us in the long run.
Ouch. I’ve got work to do with them and right now for Sunday.
That’s today’s drive-by. I hope to have things in hand soon enough to get back to participating. For the time being I have to get back to working for them what is now paying me.
Cheers all.
Deb
that vid of protesters in dc harkens back to the turbulent 60s & 70s…. its disgusting to see them come in with horses – whats next bull connors dogs?
Biodun @ 71
Lieberling enablers.
{{{RevDeb}}}
Steve-AR @ 73:
Joe-Lie:
Again: Joe-Lie is not a Democrat. He left the party when he decided to run as an independent after he lost the Democratic primary in CT.
The problem with Rahm is the underhanded way he gets his ways. He told Cegelis she needed to raise X amount of dollars by Y: she met his target — so he moved the target. Meanwhile, many Democratic donors were telling her than he had told them not to donate to her, that he would find someone better who would be able to carry the district.
And then his candidate won, by far fewer votes than had been anticipated, and they were shocked that Cegelis came that close to beating their handpicked candidate. Duckworth is an Iraq veteran who lost both legs: so of course when the general came around the DCCC ran ads criticizing Roskam for his votes to ban books. Meanwhile the NRCC was criticizing Duckworth on immigration. Which was the more important issue to the district? Her ads pointed to her service, but too few of them ran. I’ve heard conflicting things about her ground game: she certainly never managed to energize the Cegelis supporters to work for her in the general — many of those found other races to work for. Some people who I’ve talked to who were Duckworth supporters thought her ground game was great: others not so much. But it didn’t beat Roskam’s, who had a well-oiled Republican machine working for him.
Mauimom @ 11
They called me yesterday. They are doing a major fundraising campaign at the moment. I told the very nice lady, NO MONEY until the Dems can do something reflective of the core values of the party. Like Impeach.
By the way the callers are well versed on objections and raise the specter of a fresh republican congress when you voice any objection, to which I replied “If you’re not going to change anything now, what’s the freaking difference?”
Rahm is the reason I absolutely will not give money to the DCCC. He’s a corporate shill through and through, has no use for the invidual voter, and in any other country than this one would be considered far right wing.
RevDeb @ 83
You’re in Louisiana, right?
EPU Note:
James: If you are still here, I replied below.
Karen
Nan @ 90
I don’t like Rahm, but I will say this… at least we know where he stands. There’s a lot of people in the party I wish I could say that much about… like both of my senators here in California.
Blub @ 81
I don’t believe a word of any of it. Psyops. Pure propaganda coming out when the fear factor best benefits the Administration. The wording is meant to keep us there forever. On Washington Journal this morning, call after call after call came in calling BS on this. We may get attacked by someone, but this video has nothing to do with reality.
LS @ 74
Thanks LS! This is a terrific plan and promises to have wide appeal and could not fail to freak out the so called Democrat leadership when the deluge overwhelms their offices.
Rahm Emanuel so prides himself on being an effective network builder, a power broker. And so does Schumer.
Incidentally, why is dKos advertising the Matt Bai book on its site? Have they read Bai’s smackdown of Markos in the book?
OT. Drudge has a link up that I can’t open claiming that Craig now asserts he was traveling on official business and was, under the Constitution, not subject to arrest. Which might lay the basis for a motion to suppress at least all his later statements, perhaps including his plea of guilty. Ta-da!!
Pachacutec @ 13
Pretty damn pissed, Pach.
Thanks for asking!
selise @ 80
I am more inclined to believe that accepting Rahm was one of the things she was obligated to do in light of the vote for her. Remember already there were alot of Dems furious with Rahm (and Schumer) over Lieberman. She would have known about that. Remember she is a politician, and if she hadn’t gone along I doubt they would have let her take on that role.
LS @ 94
this is all premature until they release (or finish editing) the tape, but from we’ve heard so far it is neither about the fear factor nor does it benefit the administration. The redacted version we get may end up that way.. but from everything I’ve garnered from the BBC and other news sources, this tape doesn’t fit well at all with the shrub-shooter agenda.
Blub @ 91
She be up in PA.
pierce aero @ 92
Got it!! Thx
perhaps it is because none of us are actually democrats now, but independents in his mindset. He knows we do not favor his way of thinking and are actively trying to get him removed due to incompetence. Folks like yourself show him for the republican/democrat status quo loving kind of jerk he really is. If he doesn’t have his way, he is unemployed. Like the dinosaur that was accidentally lying on it’s back looking up in the sky when the asteroid hit that brought jesus, he is about to tend to his resume.
I would personally prefer an independent candidate for president. the existing parties are far too corrupt to trust. none of the existing candidates is acceptable at all. they all promote preemptive strikes on foreign countries. they are in their own sweet little way, batshit insane. They are beholding to criminal enterprise to retain their elected seats. They clearly accept bribes and submit to extortion by this administration, so they can’t possibly be clean.
nope. we either discard the remnants of a failed society and rebuild or we are going down the road where it leads, as a follower and ever downward
Biodun @ 96
…is an arse. I actually prefer Rahm to New York’s non-senator.
And Rahm’s candidate for President???
The same candidate who worked for this law firm.
http://www.roselawfirm.com/practice/management.asp
How a progressive can vote for this candidate is beyond me.
mikehickerson @ 89
DCCC called me too, and I told them the same thing. I am a solid contributor to Dems, and I am not giving another cent until they begin impeachment. It breaks my heart that they have moved away from the principles of my party.
A bit OT again: Barry Steinhardt of ACLU is speaking very well at the House hearing on Spy Satellites.
KAren
Karen
Yeah, it’s the same party machine that nominated a certifiable stay-the-courser, HHH, at the 1968 National Convention in Chicago bloody Chicago whilst Mayor Daley’s police and the National Guard were busy caving in protestors heads with truncheons. How times have changed.
Btw, there’s a particularly good perspective on that convention in the late Fred Halstead’s antiwar document, “Out Now!”
newspaperbrat @ 95
Could someone remember to put this on a post or in a blog on the 15th. I have to teach, but I would love to do what I can.
tw3k @ 81
And a neat trick, what with being dead and all.
If you’ve read “Outsourced” by Dr. Hillhouse, or watched Amy Goodman’s interview of her, that *seems* to be her opinion as well – though, when asked directly, she just kind of smiled and said, “There are some things which can safely be addressed only by use of fiction”. (her book)
I was left with no doubt that she believes that, though it should fairly be noted that she did not openly say the words.
Blub @ 99
It doesn’t even have to. It is “the threat” and the 24/7 coverage on the MSM…it is bringing back the “image” of the “madman”…it is just the big 9/11 reminder. That is all it takes to freak out people who don’t even ever know what was said or not. That is my meaning of it.
Are Rahm and Steny perhaps fellow diners at the A*P*C trough?
The Mearsheimer/Walt book is out fleshing out what they postulated last year to the expected outcry, the frenzy of which rather proved their point. Then Pelosi rolled over and withdrew the No Bombing Iran clause. No! Really?
Richmond @ 107
I think the calling protest starts around the 10th and straight through the 15th.
Biodun @ 96
A number of sites purposefully differentiate their advertising from their editorial content which is why on some progressive/liberal sites you’ll see ads for Ann Coulter or Bill Orally’s books
oldtree @ 102:
Who is the “he” you’re talking about? Rahm?
pierce aero @ 106
I got a phone call from that heinous group.
The person on the other end wasn’t prepared for questions I had about congresspeople outside my district, nor could she give valid defenses for recent votes by the leadership.
I told her no money until I see some wounded Blue Dog Dems by the leadership…metaphorically speaking, of course.
maunga @ 111
100%. And there is our problem. But it goes beyond that. It is clear that Rahm really believes that it is best for Is*ael if we bomb the hell out of Iraq and Iran, and then stay there forever to to keep things “in toe” (alas, our presence is only making things worse).Shows how ideology [like sexual attraction!!! :-)] trumps rational thought and judgment.
plainjane @ 97
I just love the EZ-pass mentality of so many of our betters. If one is of the proper crowd, one can get out of or slide painlessly through just about anything. American as apple pie for the ‘fast trackers.’
Hey there RevDeb!
How’s livin’ goin’ in the land of Snarlin’ Arlen? Or as I prefer to call him, Specteramous?
Feeling down? Does all seem lost?
Bluto’s Speech – Animal House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K92OVFeGgIE
raven @ 101
That be Pennslytucky to those who live nearby *g*
LS @ 75
And everyone who is going bring face masks small enough to keep out viruses.
The demo I attended on the weekend of 23 Sept 2005 had areas where we marched test positive for tularemia, a nice little bioweapon aerosolized, no doubt, at Ft. Detrick.
Richmond @ 99
or maybe she approved of what he was doing?
it was when she was minority leader that he was appointed.
and who’s “they”? isn’t the minority leader elected by the D house members?
alank @ 107
I was at Ft Lewis that summer and every time we’d get a pass and go to Seattle we would get “don’t go to Chicago” flyers. Lot’s of people knew what was going to happen it seems.
dakine01 @ 113
Speaking of ads, TPM is doing well with major car ads..including Porsche
(((((((RevDeb)))))))
jayt @ 109
Welp, Bin Laden seems to be a favorite tool of maladministration.
OT to Raven and Bob Hi
“Bluto’s Speech – Animal House.”
Yesterday’s thread reappears. I’m sure you both know this one by heart too.
Methinks the Dems would be committing suicide if Hillary gets the nomination. Although I’ll vote for her, I don’t think she can win the general election. Edwards, whom I’m supporting, can. The rub is: If he can get the nomination. The way things are going. Not. Hillary is basically steamrolling everyone at this point. Only some unusual event or combination of events can stop her. We shall see.
Biodun @ 128
I hope so, I am not going vote hillary hell or high water.
raven @ 123
Wow! Spooky.
A Hobson’s choice: rain or wind. Or East Wind, Rain.
Per Howie Klein:
With all due respect to Howie and his excellent work, I disagree. IMHO, Rahm knew anti-war candidates could win and that was what he was seeking to prevent. So, what political party and/or movement is he working for?
OT..
Petraeus refusing to provide congress with written progress report on Iraq as promised
link
Blub @ 93
Couldn’t agree more. Still haven’t gotten any answer from Boxer about why she didn’t bother to vote on FISA. Difi, is no surprise. She is most definitely a Lieberman democrat, not to mention she’s married to a war profiteer.
Time to roll up the sleeves and work harder to ensure true progressives get elected this time around.
Kos has read those blogs so we don’t have to: He says there’s nothing on Iraq on Hillary’s and Obama’s respective blogs.
1,591 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Pachacutec and the Firepup Patriots:
Great post brother Pach, thanx. I am now tryin’ ta put some energy into grassroots, local pressure through a small caucus in my county Dem Party and through organizin’ local vets to put the heat on Ron Kind…I still want ta save some energy for healthy rants but I gotta put my scrawny butt on the line er I won’t be able ta look my kids in the eye anymore. So could you hook me up to someone in the “roots” Project that may be able ta help me with my efforts…I’m a computer-user dinosaur and I haven’t kept up with the Roots stuff because I was a bit intimidated by the techie stuff.
Help and old man out here, will ya Pachman? If ya ken hook me up with the Roots folks I’ll try ta getcha fixed up with some a the next batch a Lutefisk my mother unfreezes.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE CONSTITUTION YOU SAVE MAY BE YER OWN!!
LS @ 110
Right, LS. Its all about the lizard brain. Content is not important. It will be all the buzz. UBL can say anything and the effect will be beneficial to Bushco. Lizard brain message is: If the enemy is still alive, you need to keep on fighting. (Not important that you are in the wrong country fighting the wrong people.)
NorskeFlamethrower @ 135
Got any Kumla?
Steve-AR @ 132
He ain’t refusing shit, he’s doing what he told.
I’ll bet Petraeus wrote a report, gave it to the WH, and they freaked out and 86′d it.
selise @ 122
another point…
i might be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt if it was a one off. but it’s not…. on iran, on iraq, on fisa, on trade, on impeachment – pelosi seems to be making a career out of screwing us.
if there is another way to understand all the bs she’s been pulling, please tell me what it is… all i have right now is what’s been in front of me for the last 6 months.
… and during august, it’s reported, that she wouldn’t even meet with her own constituents who i hear (rumor only, i have no data to back me up) are pissed.
raven @ 138
General Betrayus didn’t write a damn report the white house did. Why is everyone still acting like he’s the decider?
gotta love this, at least SOME of the democrats are strating to get it…man this looks like fun;
must piss them off to have the truth thown in their face
Biodun @ 127
Take the quiz
MSNBC has been running a headline all day, “US Economy Collapsing?”…
- 240
You heard correctly. And yeah, they are pissed. Very liberal crowd, they are.
Christy’s upstairs with Rudy.
With Rahm Emanuel
selectingfavoring candidates for the House and Senator Schumer doing same same for candidates in the Senate, how can we not go to war in Iran?Maybe Hillary will save us.
selise @ 122
Could be you are right. But I have had much more respect for her (despite faults) than I ever have had for him (with little but faults).
tbsa @ 146
thanks for the confirmation. that’s just nuts. who the heck is she representing?
RevDeb @ 83
drinking moderately?
can’t we all just drink along?
my glass is half full, how about yours?
Richmond @ 149
me too. which is probably why the sense of betrayal is so strong.
Biodun @ 128
‘Mainstream democrats’ henceforth to be known
(in my comments here), as msd’s, do NOT impress me. My oldest daughters are just of an age to be drafted and used as pawns in the Elitist Chess Game . . . I am not willing to sacrifice
my children’s lives for Republican OR Democratic visions of hegemony. The question arises; is this congenital incompetence or simply Gunga Djinn’s apt description of the ‘apple cart’ syndrome. If what the msd’s are up to now, represents the ‘best’ they can do, I question just HOW MUCH better than the r’s the msd’s really are.
The ‘bad old days’ have been going on for too long. I don’t wish to experience a Hilarious
presidency doing the political equivalent of ‘water boarding’ while being told. ‘It’s not
torture.
I think you are correct that she might well lose. Then where are we? Ambition to rule is a very dangerous thing. In some societies that desire alone is sufficient to preclude that person’s getting the chance. But, we Americans could never learn from anybody, could we? History is replete with example.
Out with the Rahm, in with the blue!Biodun @ 127
Yup agreed. I’ll vote for her if she’s the nominee, but I’m voting for Edwards as long as I can!
larry birnbaum @ 61
Recruiting centrist candidates is OK. Spending millions of dollars on a “centrist” candidate during the primaries to fight off a good progressive candidate (as Emmanuel did on behalf of Tammy Duckworth against Cegelis) was a waste of important resources as well as a vicious intervention into a local primary. And Cegelis was a proven campaigner in that district, not some pie-eyed DFH who had just crawled out of the woodwork. If that’s a “crock” to you, well then we have a BIG difference in what constitutes legitimate tactics.
This is naive. He was out not just to elect Democrats, but his own (DLC) brand of Democrat, who could be counted on to support DLC strategy. If you don’t believe that, then you haven’t read or understood the evidence supplied up top by Pachacutec.
The DCCC and DSCC should be absolutely impartial during the primaries. Recruiting candidates who you think can win is OK; taking sides in the primaries is not OK.
Bob in HI
wigwam @ 131
I agree completely.
OT – For tinfoil Milliners
Has anyone connected the dots between the B52 nuk3s and now the OBL tape appearing?
One of the first thoughts popping into my head was that someone was trying to secretly get those missiles into the gulf region for a false-flag terrorist attack.
I’ve got no evidence for that, but if I tilt my tinfoil sombrero just right I can get a clear picture of it in my head.
selise @ 80
Can we have a new vote for Speaker? I am getting real tired of Speaker Pelosi.
Bob in HI
Several Arizona districts, totally screwed by Emanuel and DLC Democrats
My district #1, home of the infamous Rick Renzi, has repeatedly been f#@!ed by Emanuel since the district’s creation in 2000.
Our population was never the Renzi type. Just a little early help from the DCCC would have made a big difference. It really appeared that Emanuel wanted Renzi-IN.
Renzi won more by default and with a huge out of state bankroll, supplied by Delay and friends.
I wrote about this a few years ago in KOS and got feedback from many other districts reporting the same thing.
In one cycle, 4 candidates got the big Raaaaahhhhhhm finger-an African American, a woman, a gay Native American and a whit non-business type white male. Candidates who had big support in their districts.
I reported in my diary back then, that I was now convinced that many in the Democratic leadership were deliberately looking for candidates with specific agendas-pro-Republican agendas and with specific foreign policy opinions.
And thanks to what I believe is insider vote rigging, those same agenda driven Dems now run the party. And, put Lieberman back in, and on a pedestal.
Now they label us as ‘extremists’.
What a DLC wet dream!
Emanuel and Hoyer are no different than Karl Rove and Tom Delay. (Watch Hoyer, he’s the back office guy with the cleaver.)
The main reason I now beg Gore to enter the race is to stop this Democratic Congress , and ask all of you to help encourage him.
Our future, the war, the courts, the world all depend on…..Harry and Nancy??
Eureka Springs @ 143
86.49% Kucinich
64.25% Edwards
Let us not forget that Rahm Emanuel holds joint American and Israeli citizenship. As an American citizen, he served in the Israeli Army.
et tu pach? i’d expect this kinda thing from that punky hamsher but seriously, the insensitive trashing of disco needs to stop. can’t we come up with a different metaphor for aged and out of style? disco is beautiful, please don’t compare it to that twit emanuel?
I called Rep. Emmanuel’s office the other day to urge more spine & testicles on various issues.
His phone answerer was the fastest-talking and most “whadda you want” of the ten Congressional offices I’ve called this week.
And about the time that I got to my point of “so-called free trade killing the base of people who used to vote Democratic,” his guy hung up on me.
We MUST get rid of Rahn Emmanuel to make progressive progress in this nation.
I could go on, if you want you may check my recent 5-rated comments on various threads at TPM affiliates under my other name featherfamily.
See the thing is, I liked Tammy Duckworth. I saw her on TV alot, and she made me wish I was from IL so I could vote for her. There was much to admire about Tammy, and I had the impression she, of all people, wanted our soldiers out of Iraq. If she would have been a Blue Dog, fine, then perhaps it’s best she lost. Otherwise, I wish progressives would have done more to help her win that race once she won the primary. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.
Just wanted to share my little Internet excursion with you all. I think it’s on topic…
I googled Ron Paul poll and learned that he isn’t even listed as a candidate in many states’ polls. And of course, I think many of you know that viewers of the gooper debate voted him the winner. So ABC/News colors itself surprised about the grassroots, etc., and/or hackers messing up the voting and Paul might get a little fundraising bump.
The comments on the ABC article are full people embracing Paul’s PRO CONSTITUTIONAL STANCE (pardon that last word there). They, too, are sick to death of steno-news.
Just an observation…the GOP has a viable candidate. The powers that cling just refuse to endorse him.
karen allen @ 161
The continuing use of the old anti-Semitic dual loyalty trope by supposed liberals is nothing short of grotesque.
In any case according to the wikipedia, the claim that Emanuel is a dual citizen is false as is the claim that he served in the Israeli army. He did serve as a civilian volunteer at an Israeli army base during the Gulf War.
Larry Birnbaum @ 166
For whom the cap fits, let them wear it.
As an advocate for war against Israels’ enemies in the middle east, aggressive wars against countries that are no threat to the USA, Mr Emmanuel has made it an issue himself.
Like homophobic repugs who are partial to squalid trysts in public men’s rooms, it’s the conflict of interest, not just the conduct, that makes it an issue.
OT but FYI–
Dennis Kucinich will be on the Tucker Carlson Show on MSNBC-TV this evening (6 p.m. EDT) for an exclusive interview about his just-completed fact-finding mission to the Middle East. (Check local listings for channel and time in your city.)
bobschacht @ 158
Here, here–and Sen. Reid, too.
This is the one reason I will not be voting for Rahm Emanuel in the next election, and I will vote against him with whatever candidate has a chance to win, even if a Republican. It sickens me, but Emanuel sickens me more than the thought of voting for a Republican!!! That’s how bad I see him!!
so why not run someone against emmanuel in his district.
no congressman is proof from an all-out effort to point out his bad side.
a good run at him in a primary,
or an independent run in a general election,
might tame that boy real quick.
as would making him run hard for two or three election cycles.
Rahm Emanuel will be on HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher tonight.
I hope Nancy Skinner gets more financial support this time out — with more money she can pull it off against Knollenberg. Problem is that this time out she’ll have a primary. She paved the way, and now everyone else wants in on the action. She hasn’t officially announced yet, but it should be soon.
It would be great if some Firepups could help her get her campaign off to a good start by donating at ActBlue here:
http://www.actblue.com/page/helpskinnerwin
or here
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18235
Haven’t read the comments, just the post.
Spoiler alert. P*sser alert. Call Maggie a r*cist alert.
It really is rather simple:
- Emanuel is Jewish and supports Israel
- The war in Iraq is many things, including having become a proxy war between Arabs/Muslims and Israel
- Emanuel wants to boost the number of his co-congress critters who support Israel and the proxy war and decrease the number who want the war to end (see evidence in the post)
- There are many Jewish Democrats in Congress, and while there are exceptions, for the most part, they vote to continue the war. The grassroots and the netroots are going to have to come to grips with this.
We. Are. Never. Leaving.
Well, OK, maybe when we run out of oil, we’ll leave.