I was always told that it was both wise and good manners not to intervene with parents who seem to be making every mistake in the book with their spoiled children. The Democrats have been observing that rule on the theory that the badly behaved children occupying the White House are not their kids; Bush and Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, Gonzales and etc. were, from a political standpoint, the Republicans’ problem. With only a few exceptions, Democrats have never been willing to argue that the White House belonged to all of us and not to the most dangerous segment of the Republican party.
Using the 2006 elections as a guide in which the public thumped the White House and Republicans for their conceit, childish arrogance and all around bad behavior, the Democrats have been acting as though letting the wayward children do whatever they want will work for them again in 2008. The implicit assumption is that somehow, the country will survive having the most irresponsible, reckless, lawless and dishonest Administration any of us has ever seen, and the Democrats can clean up the mess when they get in. But the costs of this strategy to the country, and to our Constitution, have been heavy.
It has not yet dawned on many Democrats that responsibility for everything the immature and reckless frat-boy and his dangerously reckless friends are doing may actually pass to them in January 2009. It won’t be seen as the Republicans’ problem; it will be theirs, and the American people will expect them to deal with it. If the 2008 elections go as the pundits are predicting, the Republicans will cease to be the irresponsible parents and the Democrats will have to deal with the unprecedented catastrophe this President has made of everything he and his dangerous friends have touched.
It is the corollary to Powell’s Pottery Barn rule: The Bush/Cheney regime broke it, but the Democrats will own it. And if that is the rule, one would think that the most important strategy for the Democrats now is to do everything they can to prevent the White House occupants from doing any further damage to the country.
Their votes on Iraq funding and the gutting of FISA, and their caving again on Iraq tell us the Democrats do not yet understand this rule. They don’t seem to think it’s their job to defend the Constitution from the Bush/Cheney assaults. They’ve essentially given Iraq to Bush and Cheney to play with, and they’ve given them the US Army to destroy as though we’re dealing with toy soldiers and not real human beings. Petraeus’ condescending acquiesence to allow a symbolic few troops to leave early to mollify Warner (which means that Bush’s promise not to allow politics to interfere became inoperative in 48 hours), as long as it doesn’t endanger his “surge progress” is nothing more than a bright shiny distraction.
There is nothing more clear about the White House Iraq strategy than their plan to pass on the Iraq fiasco to the next President. The President himself has told us that’s exactly what he intends to do, and he repeated it to his biographer — “I’m playing for October/November,” he said, explaining that he wants to lock in the next President to an indefinite and substantial presence in Iraq. The Republicans seem to think he’s succeeded. Remember, we’re dealing with a President who thinks “we’re kicking ass” in Iraq, matching his Vice President’s view that the “insurgency is in its last throes” and Rumfeld’s belief that we’re just dealing with a few “dead enders.” They are a delusional lot.
But even if the Democrats assume there probably isn’t much they can do now to fix the Iraq calamity, they might at least consider preventing the Administration from making it much worse. And for heaven’s sake, they shouldn’t do anything that would encourage or authorize the White House to start another war and lead us into another calamity, another quagmire, and in the process endanger US troops stuck in Iraq and further undermine the security of the United States. This doesn’t seem to be rocket science, it’s just common sense.
When it comes to the Middle East, the Democrats are still being polite guests instead of responsible parents. Their Iraq funding efforts in the Senate appear confined solely to finding 60 votes for something, anything, without articulating a single principle or goal that would actually keep things from getting worse, let alone make them better.
If Democrats have essentially conceded they will inherit the full catastrophe of Iraq, then they should have the good sense not to allow the Administration to start yet another war to pass on to them. The first priority of any defense funding bill should be to include language disavowing any authorization, either in that bill or in prior authorizations, for starting an aggressive war against another country. Congress should remove any legal argument that the Administration has authority to engage in military actions against Iran (or Pakistan or . . .) without coming back to Congress, making the case, and getting explicit authorization.
That seems the minimum the Democrats should demand for accepting responsibility for what is becoming their war. And if they can’t insist on that minimal degree of accountability, then then don’t deserve our support.
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*high five* OC.
hey! not bad for a school day!
Ooh, dropped right in!
Caw, caw!
Good morning Scarecrow.
In fact, if I hadn’t taken the time to read both this article and the last one, I might have gotten zed! Ha!
This business is funny sometimes.
And yes, I do NOT understand the Dem’s apparent willingness to go along, “protesting” with Iran. What, how big of a mess do they want to inherit??
But if we attack Iran, I think we’re going to have way more problems than just the next admin & politics.
I really can’t understand why the Dems aren’t providing any leadership here….
all right – everyone have a lovely day… I gotta get crackin’ here and go to school.
Have a good day, OC.
See you later, OC
I had a horrible thought today – what if the democrats’ passivity is a cynical ploy with regard to the 2008 elections – “without a supermajority, there’s nothing we can do, so vote in more democrats, and then we can finally get something done.”
Seems to me that all the Dems really care about is getting re-elected, and in that sense they’re no different from those across the aisle (apart from not having sold their souls to Satan). The inbred beltway culture just can’t figure out that the people are starving for real leadership. They don’t see that if they turn these bastards out on their asses, hose down and fumigate the place, and sow salt wherever Republicans have trod, that the people will thank them for it. Sigh. But they’re too damned stupid to figure it out. Sure, they need an intervention, but in god’s name, how?
When the PR push for war with Iran begins, we have to be ready to push back. It’s already on the drawing boards. Let’s get ready now.
The administration doesn’t need a majority of support to proceed, just the same cowards who are going along with the continuing slaughter in Iraq now.
It’s too hard to say no? Aren’t any of these people parents? Sometimes you MUST say no.
I need some serious help right now.
I am thisclose to closing my computer and my mind and not participating anymore.
I hate everything right now. I hate Bush and Repugs. I hate Democrats and every one of the so-called presidential candidates. I hate Iraq. I hate Iran. I hate fundamentalists. I hate war. I hate lies. I hate the news and the press that make up that news.
I have walked. And donated. And called. And mailed. And e-mailed. I have done it all. And what have we got to show for it. NOTHING. NADA. NOT ONE DAMN THING.
And there doesn’t seem to be one thing left to do to try and make a difference.
Thank God I have a wonderful family, reasonable health and a little money in the bank.
I am so depressed and angry at all of my/our wasted efforts.
(Please don’t pile on me right now – I know you’ll tell me that it’s attitudes like mine that cause problems. That’s not the case here.)
Deacon Blues @ 13
There is only one kind of intervention that will work. It’s kicking all their asses to the curb. We have to vote these asshats out of office. That’s the only intervention most of them will understand.
Ariadne @ 12
I sincerely believe that is EXACTLY the plan! And I can’t tell you here how that makes me feel! (Actually I could, I really improved my skills at self expression while I was in the military!)
Deacon Blues @ 13
I’d say from the bottom up. How long did the xian rethug group work on getting their people worked in and moved up?
I’m deeply encouraged by the sorts of people ActBlue is donating to and I think change is going to have to come from these people, and an eventual notice of WHO is getting elected. The bigger elections we don’t control anymore — it’s all a numbers game with the electoral college, corporations, monied lobbies, and even compromised voting machines. But the lower level elections still reflect what we want, and in that respect, I wonder if the people that get elected to the House, and maybe to a lesser extent the Senate won’t prove the most important of all in the long run.
(((((Sha)))))
Been there. You will make it.
It is people like you that see, feel, and care who are experiencing the worst pain. We see too much and it hurts. It feels overwhelming. I have a history of despair and meltdowns which I am now trying to refashion into something with dampened oscillations and more calm and productivity. Upbill battle, but winning.
If you need to step back for a while and rest, do it. We can wait for you to heal, refresh, and refill with the goodness and beauty of life. Then come back and fight with us.
Sha @ 15
Hang in there!
Goo Morning Scarecrow!
Finally with a stinger in the tail!
One reason (D)’s thought they could coast to glory in 08 with a record of capitulation was that it was assumed that no one of conscience would have a choice but to support them.
On the contrary, a candidate who says “all options are on the table” against a country that poses no threat to the USA deserves opposition, not support.
Sha @ 15
One. Day. At. A. Time.
Hang in there, we’ve all been where you are right now (at least I have…).
Sha — The alternative is giving up and, frankly, that’s just not an option for this momma of a Peanut who deserves better. It’s never going to be perfect — that’s pretty much a given, and anyone who has spent time in the real world working in any multi-person institution understands the interplay of differing opinions and such — but it can definitely be better. As the Founders pretty much knew up front, it’s about the striving toward something better that is important, not the end result on any one issue, because time moves us forward to the next one anyway. That’s why it is a marathon, and not a sprint.
That’s the best I’ve got this morning.
Elliott @ 21
Goo morning to you too.
Sha@15
Illegitimi non Carborundum!
The idea that the Democrats passivity is actually a clever strategy seems like magical thinking.
haven’t had a chance to read the post, I’m at work so I don’t know if this is posted or linked to
c&l is hosting the ko interview with powell’s chief of staff where he rails into the democrats for cowaring aginst this administration
must see
Sha, I see lots of signs of progress and renewal in our political life. But rather than list them here, when you are feeling this kind of despair, I would just join with other pups in holding up a light of hope for our common future.
We’re not giving up. Ever. We shall overcome.
Is Al Gore thinking about a presidential run? He’s busy clearing away the media created fabrications and myths of 2000.
http://www.vanityfair.com/poli…..rentPage=1
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who
That it’s namin’.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin’.
Your post does a good job of articulating the kind of disappointment I’ve felt with our party leaders. I can only think that they were so badly traumatized by the Republicans for so many years that they still don’t realize they have the majority of Americans behind them now, if they’ll just listen.
Despite all of that, however, I have to say that I see no real choice but to support the Democratic Party in the next election. There are several premises that have to be acknowledged, in my opinion:
1) The country will be much worse off if the Republicans retain power after 2008. In fact, what’s left of our democracy is in jeopardy.
2) The current crop of Democrats is not perfect, but they are the only ones who offer any hope for any kind of change at present.
3) Right now, a third party simply equals continued Republican power. Likewise, if I don’t vote, it makes continued Republican rule more likely.
4) The time for starting a true Progressive party in this country is when progressives are in a position of power, not now. A Democratic-run government can begin to demonstrate the worthiness of progressive policies. The Repukes will never do anything good for the country.
I’m in my 40’s and it seems like I have always had to vote for the only viable alternative, rather than someone who really excited me. But to make a start towards change, we first have to get the people who are the root of the problem out of power.
Badwater @ 27
It might be a strategy, but if it is, it’s a damn stupid one, not a clever one.
I don’t know what to make of it. That old saying “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention” seems to be spot on here.
I think gore’s relationship with big dog is making it hard for him to announce but his recognition that hillary is not a good choice and has a chance to loose gives him pause
Best political scenario for the dems is that they keep fighting to end the war but between fillibusters and vetos they can’t do it- then they can run on ending in in 08. That appears to be what’s going to happen- sorry to say.
Yep- Bush will win the right to leave the
White House with troops still in Iraq- and then it will take at least two years to get em out- and they won’t all come out in any event..
What’s gonna happen is that we’ll pull out the SURGE troops by April- cause we don’t have enough troops to keep em there any longer- then we’ll roll on with 100,000 or so for the rest of the Bush reign.
If there’s a dem prez- there will be a year’s worth of planning and arguing and then withdrawal will begin and will take two years to complete- we will probably leave 30,000 or so there permanently.
At least that’s how it looks to me.
I’ve added a couple of links, including the one to Bush’s statement that “we’re kicking ass” in Iraq.
I blame the Senate big time for giving this Administration such a wide open blank check. They signed something that basically left off everything but the signature. They’re mostly lawyers and should know better. I’m in real estate, and there is a concept calling a meeting of the minds. Does anybody now believe there was a meeting of the minds built into the AUMF? They did not make a clear cut contract. It’s inexcusable and sloppy, sloppy work.
We cry out for leadership
I would like to suggest something. If you wish, you can consider it an “intervention”. Since the Democraps are intent on repeating the very same mistakes of Johnson vis a vis Vietnam all over again with Iraq then I suggest that they need a repeat of something else to go along with it. I’ll get to that “something” at the end, but first…
Let us not mince words. The Democraps ARE taking full possession and ownership of Iraq Debacle, top to bottom. There is NOTHING about it that they can now claim is not their’s in full co-ownership with Bush/Cheney/GOP. By continuing, yet again to provide open-ended funding for what they are accepting as an open-ended “commitment” (to committing war crimes), it will morph from Bush’s war to a completely Democrapic war. Bush will be forgotten in the mess that IS coming. At that point, the Senate, House, and White House will belong to the Democraps. They will have NO excuses for not ending this thing forthwith. Furthermore, due to their criminal cowardice, there is NO WAY they can avoid everything bad that is going to come of Iraq Debacle simply because they are putting NO distance whatsoever between them and ANY part of this war. They are eliminating all space that should exist between the GOP and the themselves (creating no distinguishable difference between the two, thus no reason to vote FOR Dems vs GOPers).
These are facts. Johnson came into his Presidency knowing that Vietnam was a disaster and unwinnable, yet he took full personal possession of it, along with the full Democrapic party, because he (they) didn’t want to be responsible for “losing the war”…yet the war WAS lost (never winnable). The Democraps refuse to accept objective reality, same as the GOP, and act accordingly. They are ignoring the people, they are ignoring their base.
Now, what about that suggestion (that intervention) I mentioned at the top? Well, since the Dems are insistent on repeating the same old Vietnam/Johnson mistakes all over again, I say they need to experience the same old fruit of those mistakes. What they need to see is a repeat of the 1968 Democratic Convention.
I mean it. I want the 1968 Democratic Convention to play out all over again in 2008 in response to the Iraq Debacle. I want the Dems to see, feel, hear, experience anew the full flavor of their cowardice and criminality. What better way to put the fear of Mithras into their hearts than to expose each and every one of them to a nice, chaotic, ugly, painful convention. No more pablum convention. No more soundbite convention. No more scripted, clean, boring, content-free convention. A new 1968 convention is 2008. Maybe it is what they require every 20 years to kick them back into shape for a little while.
Sadly, I know this will not happen. Sadly, I KNOW that each and every one of you will continue to give them money no matter what and vote for them, down the line, no matter what. Sadly, I KNOW that their actions and inactions will have NOT adverse consequences, but rather, will be rewarded with money AND votes up the ying-yang.
But not MY money. Not MY votes. The Dems are dead to me. As dead and unsupportable as is the GOP.
Dear Sha–
There’s a Buddhist prayer I use a lot: As long as the sky exists, as long as there are sentient beings, may I remain to help relieve them of all their suffering.
When I get to feeling despair and rage that things aren’t improving, I double up on that prayer. It gets me out of my own space. I also try imagining that there is a finite amount of pain in the world, and that the physical and emotional experiences I have mean that someone else’s burden is a little lighter that day. And I remind myself that it isn’t really important for me to be happy or satisfied. It is only important to make peace happen. And if THAT doesn’t work, I watch slapstick or cook up something with a lot of basil in it.
Be well Sha, things will go up and down, but people care.
An intervention? Why, yes Virginia they do need one. As cliche as it is, “As goes California…” the good folks out there ought to toss out DLC DiFi and Nancy Pelosi when their respective time comes.
Pelosi did no one any favors by “taking impeachment off the table”, it removed the one potentially powerful hammer in her arsenal just to become an accomdationist pseudo-”Leader”.
DiFi just needs to go on general principle. She spends as much time being on Harold Fords cocktail-invite list as she does doing business for republican contributors.
If a few high-profile dems get theirs at election time, the rest might just realize the “Take no prisoners” starts at home.
Sha @ 15:
You’re in good company. I’m sooo depressed lately. I have a very bad feeling about Iran, I think we will wake up one morning soon and the attack will already be under-way without a word spoken prior. I feel the anxiety build more and more in me everyday. Where is the public outcry? Why am I not hearing the concern on the streets? The general public is zombified and I feel sick.
Beyond that, what has changed is that he now speaks directly to the public; he has neither the patience nor the need to go through the media.
Yup. Bypass the fuckers. True not just for Gore, but for anyone with a serious message…
Thanks for linky, RPS. I don’t think he’s aiming to run after all, but if I were him, I’d be freaking annoyed by that media coverage back then, too. And would want to make clear what happened.
At some point (I can only hope), the public will realize that the media plays them like a cheap fiddle… and get pissed…
RockPaperScizzors @ 30
gore is too close to big dog to comfortably enter the race
on the other hand gore realizes hillary is not the best candidate and might hurt the chances of a democrat winning
he has a tough choice he is facing right now
that issue was addressed by the house in may. after pulling the iran language from the iraq supplemental bill, speaker pelosi promised a stand alone bill, but never followed through. defazio submitted it as an amendment to the defense appropriations bill (h.r.1585) – 99 dems voted no (including, in addition to the usual suspects, murtha, hodes, van hollen, reyes, waxman and lots more), and pelosi didn’t even both to vote (roll call vote). the amendment failed by a vote of 136-288.
with all the other votes (for example on h.con.r.21, s.admt.2073), i see NO sign that the dem leadership in congress cares one bit about preventing a an attack on iran. in fact, they have given rhetorical support for an attack.
i don’t say these things to imply that there is no hope in changing the behavior of the party that is supposed to represent us… i keep repeating this info because i think it is important that we act based on an accurate understanding of reality.
p.s. this is why i started going crazy a few months ago, and why i am actually much more hopeful now than i was then – now we’re starting to face the reality of what our party has been doing since gaining the majority in congress.
rwcole @ 34
You could be right. As I see it, the Democrats are still stuck in what they thought was happening a year ago. They’re still fighting the surge, when it’s clear the Administration is already thinking beyond the surge. The surge will end in April, because that’s when they run out of troops. None of the Democratic “withdrawal” proposals would have changed that.
But the WH is already savoring what they can do with the Sunni alliance in Western Iraq. They’ve basically taken care of the Saudi problem by becoming the protectorate force for the Sunnis in Anbar. That means the problem of regional intervention from Sunni governments is now much lower if they decide to attack Iran.
The Democrats need to refocus, and think through what the US/Sunni alliance means. We’re willing to let the Sadr SCIRI armies kill each other, we’re siding with the latter, even though they’re closer to Iran, and essentially allowing the de facto partitioning of the country to happen — calling it progress. Petraeus is the cover — the shiny object — look at the progress, but the real action is the Sunni alliance and what it means for Iran — and Dems aren’t saying a word about that.
It has not yet dawned on many Democrats that responsibility for everything the immature and reckless frat-boy and his dangerously reckless friends are doing may actually pass to them in January 2009. It won’t be seen as the Republicans’ problem; it will be theirs, and the American people will expect them to deal with it.
If dems (and that lower case indicates what I think of them these days…..maybe it should be “dims”) are too bloody stooopid not to know this is comin’ down the pike, they shouldn’t be consuming oxygen that could be better used by people with brains (and spines).
Sha @ 6:46 -
No piling on from my end of the toobz; I know the place where your heart and mind are right now. The Lake is the only place I’ve found that offers any hope of “hugging and making it better”. Were it not for here, I would be totally bat sh!t crazy by now.
Christy -
Did you get my response to your question near the end of the last thread?
RockPaperScizzors -
For the wheel’s still in spin
Perfect song for the Lake. *g*
Good morning all!
What think you of Grace Lee Boggs’ belief that,
‘We are the leaders we have been looking for.’?
Any thoughts on this?
1,591 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
Great post, friend Scarecrow, now how about pushin’ a strategy that tries ta focus grassroots pressure INSIDE the Democratic Party, especially in the House of Representatives but also in the Senate to threaten primary opponents for ALL the DINO’s, DLCers and Clintonistas who don’t get it or think WE don’t get it?
It seems that, right now, we need to empower the progressives in the Democratic Party to stand up to their own leadership and be willin’ to make the battle against the Clinton-led corporatists public …when the DINos and fellow travelers realize that a split in the Democratic Party will only cost the “centerists” their jobs maybe we ken inject some hormones into some a these courage-challeneged bastards before it’s too late.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THEY ONLY SERVE WHO DON’T STAND AROUND!!
Democratic leaders are afraid of looking weak on terror, but that’s not their problem.
Being weak on Republicans is their problem.
Thus, it’s also our problem. One I’m not sure how exactly to remedy as long as the current leadership insists on pissing away their political advantages under the mistaken assumption those voters don’t have anywhere to go.
Honestly, they’re practically begging Unity 08 to field a full ticket.
Sha, you know, pulling back for a while may not be such a bad idea. This kind of anger and hatred is not good for you or for anyone around you.
And then perhaps you could pick a battle, maybe on a smaller scale, that you can win – and see some results in the short term.
And then like that wise soul Egregious said – there is balance. Make sure that the horrors you expose yourself to are balanced by doing things that promote your own health.
I struggle with depression and ADHD. I have learned my limits and stay within them. I can only give so much before I collapse. I had to quit teaching adult literacy (which I loved and passionately believed in) because the needs of my students students overwhelmed me – and because I felt too much of what they felt and got swamped emotionally – not enough boundaries to the external world.
I guess what I am saying here is that you can only do what you can do – because the caring, concerned and principled part of yourself that desires to see change in the world needs to be cared for as well.
Not everyone understands this. Some people are just made of sturdier stuff and can handle disappointments and the effects of immersing themselves in a constant stream of negative information. And some of us can’t. And there is no shame in that. There are other kinds of strength as well.
With affection,
Fern
Fern — Wise advice. (Says the woman living on coffee *g*…)
NorskeFlamethrower @ 48
I’m all for the grass roots effort, despite my broad threat to abandon the party. I’m struggling through a series of posts to lay out the foundations of what we want in a new democratic party — what I’ll call, for want of a better name, The Constitutional Party. The core of this new party resides in the Democratic Party, and I support helping them grow their numbers — not just Democrats, but Democrats who are de facto members of The Constitutional party.
Maybe this is what Dean meant when he said it represented the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
Bush is taking a hammer to the foundation of the GOP. As the economy enters recession(any day now) Bush will enter the final Bush Phase of leadership.
A ruined economy.
Billions into Iraq and not one penny for America.
-GSD
If Democrats have essentially conceded they will inherit the full catastrophe of Iraq
That implies that Democrats were not culpable in these debacles. IMHO Republicans would have found it impossible to get most of their insanity off the ground without the betrayals and corruption within the Democratic Party.
Sha @ 15
you wouldn’t be human if you didn’t feel that way sometimes. all i can do is offer some moral support and (((Sha))) and say that it is a long struggle, and we need to support eachother as best as we’re able. tomorrow our roles may very well be reversed.
boadicea @ 49
If they become unity 08, there is no need for Unity 08. I agree with the rest.
The Constitution Party:
Sign me up.
And let’s not wait 20 years to build up intrastructure. This doesn’t have to be a traditional party structure from day one. It can grow as an idea and gather people from all sides of the political spectrum, from libertarian right to progressive left, people who agree to common rules delineated in the Constitution. You know, like the people who wrote it in the first place.
(((Sha!)))
egregious @ 57
an excellent rebranding for sure
Sha, one of my favorite comics uses the line:
Sometimes depression is a sign of mental health.
I like “In an insane world a sane person would seem insane”.
These are the worst of times.
-GSD
I’m proud to be a member of the Constitutional wing of the Democratic Party.
perris @ 43
I don’t think Gore has any allegiance to Big Dog and his senator wife. In fact, Bill left at Gore’s front door a bag of poo on fire, aka the Monica Lewinsky cigar fiasco that disastrously impacted the 2000 campaign. Big Dog OWES Al, not the other way around.
‘The times they are a-changin.’
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z8rD1GpIgpo
The Iran war is a given. Nukes will be used. Millions will die. Economies will crash. Oil fields will be radiated for centuries. And GWB will retire to his ‘Foundation’ and preach about how is 200 years he’ll be seen as a messiah. Has anyone checked for a small tattoo at Bush’s scalpline? Like maybe a 666?
If the Dems keep this up they may not have to deal with all of the problems of the last 7 years. They may be blamed for them and lose the election in 2008.
Elliott @ 61
I fixed my typo
Praedor Atrebates @ 38
well, i for one, if my health permits will be in denver for the week of the convention – and it will not be to make nice. nonviolent protest for the week is my intention.
but, that doesn’t mean i won’t support better pols… i love what howie is doing and will support his efforts as i am able. otherwise we end up with reps like the ones rahm picks.
it’s not an either/or choice…
I get so tired of the same old, same old. Remember Nixon? Left in disgrace in 1974. Yes, Carter won in 1976. But the GOP was back in 1980. I see it happen over and over. The Dems will win in 2008, but then by 2012, the GOP will be back. It always happens.
Americans have the attention span of a termite.
Kid Oakland at KOS has a great diary on this topic. Despite his analysis, I still don’t get it. The risk in doing nothing and hoping to cruise to an ‘08 victory is huge. The opportunity to get out in front of the electorate with coherent and attractive policies and messages at this moment is also huge. Instead it’s duck, duck, duck, and cover… Also, using the words Democrat and strategy together is like, well, you know.
Constitutional Democrat
Elliott @ 65
I really like this and it has legs for sure
whenever a pundit calls anyone “a left wing democrat” or “left wing liberal” they need to return with “the constitutional core of the democratic party”
talk about framing the discussion, that nails it right on the head
boadicea @ 49
E-X-actly! The end of Democratic timidity needs to start with them cleaning house, i.e. getting all the Bush Dogs in line with discussions of how to toe the party line or find themselves with no assistance in the next election cycle. They need to understand that how ever nice/cooperative/subservient/spittle-licking they are, they will never be talked about well by any republican with ties to the present Miserable Failure.
Learning by example can be a powerful tool; it seems that not only has the democratic “leadership” (and I use that term grudgingly) not learned much, they want to ignore all signs that they are as self-destructive as they are oblivious.
I think that for all their fancy web-sites, “tech consultants” and other accoutrement of intertube hippness, they just don’t get that the NetRoots listens and discusses what they say vs. what they mean. Too bad for them if that concept is so hard. They can always think it over on the unemployment line.
David @ 63
Pass that bong.
We did an intervention. It was called the election of 2006. It didn’t take.
From WaPo this morning:
Amen, Scarecrow.
I keep writing to my congressman, the poor guy. It really ticked me off that I broke my ankle so I couldn’t go see him at our county fair, a couple of blocks away from me, but I wasn’t up to it then.
He’s such a nice man. I just wish he would vote the right way one or two times when it really mattered.
He wants to be collegial I think. I want him to fight.
Biodun @ 74
I am so sick of that veto-proof majority excuse, it makes me scream!
raven @ 72
Reload and pass again.
Biodun @ 74
Just stop the money. No need to override anything. No 50 billion, no 147 billion until a timeline is drawn.
kinmo @ 77
You know there is a little town just up the road from Athens. . . Bogart!
Doc @ 31
good points, but will any of them ever change?
1-3 would seem to be as timeless as the ‘war on terra’.
As fo 4, some remember that the Clinton years contained great losses for labor and the environment, with NAFTA and the Salvage rider, just as two examples.
The washington advocacy groups for labor and the environment were utterly neutralized and prevented from serious opposition to Clinton’s more destructive policies…
as for
progressive policies are not likely from someone who is bought and paid for by corporate lobbyists and agents of a foreign power, like, most obviously, H Clinton & B Obama, speechifying notwithstanding.
Progressive policies, seriously implemented, would cause real pain to these groups.
raven @ 79
you aren’t going to tell us you were in the joint there, are you?
raven @ 79
You’re gonna make me start laughing and when that happens I can’t stop.
Ah jeez it is like talking to children:
You (the Dems in power) have a choice. You can fix (deal, clean up, repair, restore etc) the problem(s) now or you can fix it/them later.
What is your choice?
Commander Shitheel is ‘kicking ass’ on the US economy too.
All the king’s men won’t keep America from slipping into a recession before the election.
Now the jobs are slipping along with housing and cars.
-GSD
cahuenga @ 54
rather than parents and children, now-a-days, i think there’s another analogy that works better for me: good cop / bad cop
there is a real difference between the good cop and the bad cop – they are not tweedledum and tweedledee. but they play on the same team, and it’s not our team.
when the Rs fuck up really big time, they make the Ds look good in comparison… and then, while the Rs are running around screaming about blue dresses or foster or the gays or abortion… the Ds are quietly screwing us (see NAFTA, welfare reform, telecommunications consolidation, banking deregulation,…) and screwing the world’s poor via economic means (see IMF, shock therapy).
we fool ourselves to think that our party leaders care about the same things we do. we see it more easily when it is the R leadership fooling their base into thinking that they care about gays or abortion – we know they are just faking it. but, it’s harder to see it when we’re the ones being fooled.
Outstanding post, Scarecrow.
Revolt:
The revolt has to come not only from progressive netroots, but also from the masses on the streets, what the French call “l’homme de la rue.”
Precisely, Scarecrow:
Those in the House who only want another 2-3 years of incumbency can take the morally bankrupt approach of passivity in the face of destruction, without a backward glance [assuming that they’ve got bank accounts and thick skins that can weather the coming economic collapse and the desperate, blowback fury that will follow it]. Those who might like to stick around a little longer than that better get cracking now to repair this ship of state, or else start making other career plans. And yes, that absolutely means publicly calling out their party leadership and confronting the moral cowards and slackers in their own party. If Democrats think that the task that faces them today is “hard work” from which they’d rather shirk, wait until they see what faces them in 2009 when all the chickens have come home to roost…
In the end, I imagine that many, many new Members of Congress (non-career politicians) will end up cleaning up the disasters caused by the actions and inactions of the two-party system, for years to come, provided that the Judicial Branch can more or less singlehandedly save our Constitutional Republic long enough for patriots to reclaim it from within our now-corrupted Legislative Branch.
And I make no bets at all about 2008 for the Democratic Party, if a lot of Independents/Unaffilliateds start running for office by the spring of next year, never mind the major party primaries, and the corporate campaign bucks flowing into political TV ads (which more and more Americans can see right through). People are absolutely begging for somewhere to channel their rage productively, and independent candidates simply running against the corrupt status quo in Washington will provide that necessary outlet for our rage at the ‘hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil’ insulated elites of D.C. Right now (or perhaps a little earlier this year) is probably the high point of public support for the Democratic Party through next year, if its behavior doesn’t change and its leadership doesn’t discover principled opposition and steely resolve in the name of humanity – here and in Iraq – in a big hurry.
[As a side note - going by memory, I believe that one of the three people arrested at the small D.C. Veterans Against the War protest of the Iraq occupation that was violently broken up by the police - see the current DailyKos recommended list - was the same mother of an Iraq veteran who was screamed at by Rep. Dave Obey in the hall outside his office some months back, regarding ‘the realities’ of an earlier supplemental Iraq spending bill. Tina Richards is her name.]
kinmo @ 82
I’m starting to get real hungry.
SkepticRising @ 73
I just don’t understand why Congress is so scared of a president who either has brain damage or suffers from some type of weird dementia:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..vhMacE1vAI
…among multiple faux pas, he appears to have managed to get lost and confused trying to find his way off a stage at the APEC summit. How can you be scared of a guy who appears to have all of Reagan’s neurological symptoms, but who is 20 yeazs younger?
Our own crap-fingered Reverse King Midas is at it again.
He’s going to guarantee his shaved poodle in Australia will lose his election and he’s pissing off the always friendly South South Koreans.
I hope Israel and the Marianas Islands start having more babies, we need the allies.
-GSD
selise @ 44
Is Webb’s S.759 on Iran still out there, twisting in the wind? What happens to these bills nothing is done with?
egregious @ 29
One of our problems is that we take the short view. We also fail to see that the current GOP “leaders” basically have been working on this moment for 30 years. We will not be able to take down the regime in 30 days. This is going to be a very long war. But our choice is to stay and fight (with all that means both on the national and foreign policy sides), or give up now, transfer our assets to some other friendly power and leave the country and try to find a place for our families someplace else. A lot of people are already doing just that. I read recently that the numbers of Americans moving to Canada is the highest it’s been in 30 years. It is hard and draining to fight every day. Some days, all I can muster is to send a snarky email to a friend or a family member. Some days, I can manage more, like educating my son-in-law about what his kids are going to face if we don’t start the work to slow and stop the Republican party. The country’s life is made up of the individual decisions we make every day, so I try to be mindful of trying to add one more pebble to the pile to bring these people’s efforts to a stop.
Gosh! I must be asking really dumb questions today. We have all been where Sha is and then realize that what Christy says is right. This is the ‘fight’ of our lives and we will be in it until we die . . . But, I’m having a problem with expecting some hero on a white horse to save us. If we want to experience genuine ‘leadership’ I suspect we shall have to look to ourselves. Hope that doesn’t appear too naive.
too clueless.
We need more and better Dems in 2008.
With more, they should get better as they recover their courage (pardon me, have less to be scared about).
Netroots, like the black vote, are taken for granted by the Dems because we have nowhere else to go except stay home.
They know it, they take corporate dough rather than our dough to play to some mythological middle, and that is how it is in 2007.
egregious @ 14
They’re parents…just not good ones!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 16
Exactly.
BTW, word has it Keith O has a draft of the “Petraeus” report and will
deconstructfact check it tonight.holy crow, head on over to raw story, just about every lead is huge
David W. Bartoo @ 94
Not clueless! Absolutely spot on.
GSD @ 53:
Now THAT is a winning bumper sticker.
BTW, have folks seen the DSCC’s “winner” in its bumper sticker contest [hosted by James Carville]? It’s actually not bad:
mc @ 89
Yes, let’s have some burritos and then get back to the fight to save our country from ruin.
brendan @ 92
One of the articles I read for this said the Dems want to resurrect Webb’s amendment about providing sufficient downtime and training between combat tours — but that’s the only Webb thing I’ve read about.
And just about all of MSM is convinced that Bush simply intends to hand over the Iraq mess to the next administration.
Biodun @ 98
Josh Marshall is doing an analysis of the AP numbers in Iraq also. I guess it’s a long tedious effort and has asked for help. Josh is trying to come up with a comparison tool.
Buffoon in Chief.
Bush’s bad day in Australia.
Notice Bush lies in order to get out of a gaffe.
This is a man in decline.
Chimpligula if you will.
-GSD
I don’t think this country can survive the inevitable result of Democratic inaction. When the repuglicans blame the next administration for the mess they inherited from BushCo, 51% of voters will believe the liars.
At that point, the great experiment is more or less over.
Sha: I know it’s hard to notice but we did win the election in 2006. That was quite an accomplishment. I know it would be a lot nicer if those Dems in power showed those who supported them some action, but who knows what is going on behind closed doors. We have seen what this administration is capable of (Valerie Plame) and although I sometimes feel as desperate as you are feeling today, right now, I think in the long run we WILL succeed. Sometimes you have to just snap the lid on the laptop and step away. Go to a duck pond with a loaf of bread and your walkman and a picnic lunch and take a nap. That’s what I do. Much hugs to you.
Great post Scarecrow. I agree with everything you say here and it makes me sick. By their inactions and bad actions the Dems are now co-owners of this war.
Perhaps in light of the reality and the coming reality its time to go to marginal tax rates of 85% on the super rich, since the biggest beneficiaries of this war are the defense industry, Wall Street, Big Oil and the rest of the super rich.
Biodun @ 104
What mess has Bush EVER cleaned up in his life?
David W. Bartoo @ 94
Yep — for better or worse, we are the grownups.
sporkovat @ 80
A perfect analysis of why we should be working to get Edwards elected which is quite possible. The democratic base does not yet understand that Obamillary will keep us in Iraq forever.
When, and if, they do this primary election will be wide open.
It’s up to us to make sure that they do know this.
so it looks like the new video of bin laden has him wearing a fake beard
’scuze me?
I kind of don’t think they can possibly confirm that’s him if he’s got a fake beard on
sporkovat @ 80
really agree with you here. 2006 was another example of this… now that the D pols are in the driver’s seat, they are using their power to rake in the $$$ (so that they don’t need us) and not either to fufill campaign promises or to fairly represent the people
i think we’re better off trying to change the D party as our primary (or at least equal) goal… that will have the benefit of giving people something to vote for – instead of just voting against the Rs and being glad what we have is slightly less bad.
perris @ 113
LOL! and slap my desk.
kinmo @ 115
No kidding! Good one Perris.
Selise @ 85
ding ding!
And even if you manage to elect a few good (D) apples, with aspirations to go to washington and play for ‘our’ team, it’s a real foul, corrupting barrel they get dropped into.
A third party/independent bloc in Congress that co-operates with (D)’s but also stands for it’s principles is a great way to get better behavior out of the rest of the (D)’s.
egregious @ 100
Scarecrow A 111 (Great post, by the way)
Thanks for responding. Thought I’d fallen into the Twilight Zone. (’To Serve Man’)
GSD @ 106
boy king literally looked confused trying to find his way off that stage — got lost, lost his train of thought sufficiently to forget about his basic motor functions or something… Dick’s running everything isn’t he? shrub must be lucky to be able to get out of bed each morning.
I couldn’t agree more that our Democrats need an intervention. There have been a few suggestions, but perhaps we need some sort of specific plan.
I heard we flew nuclear missiles into the base that is the jump off point to the mid-east. It’s being spun as a mistake, but come on…
We need to figure out a strategy to get through to these people pronto.
Can we try to get progressives to show up en masse to the next meetings of the local Democratic Party all across the country and raise hell?
Would trying to shake the foundation of the party reverberate upwards?
I have a feeling even if we could get a million people (or more) to show up for a mass demonstration in D.C. it would just be ignored by the media and spun as a bunch of fanatics and radicals.
We need a new strategy. The oligarchs have adapted to our old strategies, we need to adapt too.
And Sha, I go through what you are experiencing fairly frequently, but now that I have young children I have found a little more fortitude to keep up the fight. My kids have done nothing to deserve the world they are going to inherit.
You do what you need to do for yourself, but know that you are not alone — and I doubt if any of even considered “piling on.”
OK. I’m not obsessed. I am stupified. Here’s thenew bumpersticker video. Carville is so funny. I am just slapping my knee.
Why, why, why *eyes uplifted* in G*/G*dess is Carville still allowed to don the name Democrat? Here’s my prayer: make him a stay at home hubby for Mary.
GSD @ 106
Moronic Chimpy. APEC, OPEC: What difference does it really make for him? This from a man who called East Timorese “East Timorians.”
A three man Friday riot!
LaGrange – ZZ Top (live!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDZgydwj2Y
Webb is up for a few minutes on CSPAN questioning David Walker on the GAO report
Dear friends,
It’s been about an hour since I posted my lament and disappointment with the world scene, and I am humbled and thankful for your support and words of wisdom.
I’ve always told my kids that sometimes there’s nothing better than a good cry – or, in this case, a written cry. Strangely, I do feel better – but still so sad for this once great country.
I will take all of your kind words to heart – often, I’m sure.
Two years ago I rescued a cat that had been in a shelter for two years. She was a handful! People thought I was crazy and that she would never soften up.
Five minutes ago, Timber jumped up and walked over to my keyboard and started making bread with her paws on the keys and head-butting me. She was purring loudly. Now she is sprawled next to me with her tummy showing and her paws curved gently (no claws exposed) around her face.
Maybe there was something I did right in the past 7 years. She knows she is loved.
Thank you, all, again.
As the lovely and talented James Dobson says – “Dare to Discipline!”
I’m a mom, raising four kids. I know a lot of you out there are parents or pet owners (yes, it applies there too!). Now, which is the better parent – the one who says, “My little darling is just perfect! He can do whatever he wants!” as Little Darling pulls the wings off flies, bullies other kids on the playground, steals their toys, lies, and disrespects others, or the one who corrects Little Darling’s behavior?
Most people would not dream of allowing their children to grow up cruel and selfish. Children are born selfish by nature as a survival instinct, but it’s a parent’s job to teach the child to get along with others, to share, to wait their turn, to put themselves in other people’s shoes, to respect others. That makes for a happy, well-adjusted child who has friends, who does well in school, and later on does well in life. To not give a child limits is to neglect and abuse them. We even treat our animals with more kindness by training them.
If a kid eats too much candy he gets sick. If he isn’t given nutritious food, he becomes weak and sickly. If he isn’t given chores and responsibilities, he doesn’t understand how to take care of himself. If he’s given every toy or thing he demands, he will not understand the meaning of money. He’ll be spoiled, greedy and what’s more, unhappy and dissatisfied without knowing why.
I see our relationship with our country that way. To say “America’s perfect and if you criticize it you’re unpatriotic” does our great country a huge disservice. Nobody wants America to be a spoiled bully, but if we do not discipline her, that’s what happens. I love my country too much to do that.
brendan @ 92
looks like nothing since march.
just another dose of what looks like reality to me. any bill like this would have to go through the foreign relations committee in the house. so long as lantos is chair – i see no chance of it going anywhere.
probably the only chance is to do as defazio did, and submit it as an amendment – thereby bypassing lantos.
GSD @ 84
The fed pumped $31B of funny money into the economy yesterday. Over $100B since 8/9.
Yeah, the economy is just SUPER!
Elliott @ 110
Bush Sr. has always cleaned up after Bush Jr. I wish the elder Bush would step up one more time because this time it would benefit all of us, not just the Bush family.
The Democrats really don’t have any party leadership. There are some strong, independent voices, such as Howard Dean, but they are in political roles, not policy roles. Then there are people like Russ Feingold–back in Wisconsin almost every week listening to his constituents instead of party pundits. That level of commitment to the voters isn’t what most of them had in mind when they ran for office. To be fair, however, I don’t think the Republicans have any leadership, either;they just have more discipline.
IMHO, the only way we’ll ever see any leadership from the Democrats is if we elect a strong leader with a real agenda for change. That way, the Dems can rally around the President for cover in their own states or districts. Part of that leader’s agenda should also be a policy group within the party to formulate long-range planning, PR and media approaches, and increased constituency participation, because, right now, the Democratic brand is as weak as the Republican brand.
I wonder if Bush was wondering how come so many Australians live in Austria yesterday?
GSD @ 106
Fortunately for Bush, he doesn’t have far to fall.
sporkovat @ 117
i think we’re far better off trying to change the D party from the inside… especially with Dean as chair. but i really like the idea of using the fear of a third party to force the Ds to recognize our support has to be earned.
but what do i know… when it comes to tactics, i’m not going to give anyone a hard time for doing what they think is wise – so long as moral means are used.
Badwater @ 129
Apparently, Babs failed at potty-training her boy.
Badwater @ 132
unfortunately he’s taking us down with him.
Sha @ 125
Rescued kitties are the best. They sometimes have the best personalities. A little street jay and cocky but loving in an expansive manner.
Can you imagine what Gordon Brown, a PhD with a history of political activism, really thinks of Bush? And also Angela Merkel, who is also a PhD? Bush tried to endear himself to her by giving her an unwelcome and embarrasing shoulder rub at a summit.
Blub @ 119
Wasn’t it a viral internet suspicion that, during the debates prior to the 2004 election, Bush had a transponder and ear piece so that he could be fed answers, supposedly from Karl Rove?
I seem to remember a hubbub of some sort with pictures of a box the size of a pack of cigarettes in the middle of the shrub’s back; they even took it seriously enough to bring in Bush’s tailor to try and show how it was a fabric flaw.
Anyway, the supposition here is that Bush has been fed answers from Rove since the beginning and, without him, all he can manage is golden oldies from the halcyon frat days like, “We’re kickin ass!”
boadicea @ 49
I love that quote! I just copied and pasted it into an e-mail to my congressman. I hope you don’t mind.
Fern @ 50
Great advice, Fern. I didn’t realize I had ADHD until I started continuing in school after my masters. I knew I had some problems in organizing my work…stacks of papers and articles all over the place that I alone could organize.
I stopped right then and there. I was older (in my late 40s) and I had a newborn in the house who I was caring for while my wife worked. I went to a doctor on recommendation from a good friend who has a child with ADHD and she was able to diagnose me and get me on a program that has beneftied me and my relationships with people near and dear.
Choosing battles is still a bit difficult for me especially when there seems to be a new front opening here everyday.
Peace.
Sha:
It’s exhausting to be angry all the time, but at the same time it’s been exhilarating for me to awaken into political consciousness. I blush when I think of how smug, fatuous and brainwashed I was circa 2000 — and I was a Democrat then, too.
Alicia @ 126
There was a fascinating exchange in the Repub debate on Fox the other night.
Paul tried to say US foreign policy had been hijacked by the crazy neocons and they we’re following American principles, they’d made a mess, and if the Repubs don’t acknowledge and fix that, they’re doomed in 2008. Huckabee retorted that “we’re all one country and we have to stay together and can be divided as Americans” — a complete non-sequitur — and the touchy/feely thingies they do to measure emotional response from the audience said the measure shot up for Huckabee. The Republican base has no idea what Paul was talking about, but they love patriotic rhetoric that doesn’t say anything.
ROPE A DOPE
ccmask @ 131
I’m entertaining the possibility that there is literally nothing up there in shrub’s brain.. that he’s some sort of defective wind-up toy. The-old-men-who-really-run-things probably fried what was left of his cerebrum a long time ago, and just cart him out to do some card tricks every now and then. His performance in Australia, without Rove at his side, has been simply abominable. They shouldn’t let him out of the West Wing.
Biodun @ 137
Gordon is the perfect example of someone too polite and too smart to comment on how badly behaved Bush is — but notice he’s not following the guy over a cliff, as Blair did.
David W. Bartoo @ 94
Not naive at all. We have to become the leaders we seek.
(((Sha)))
(((Fern)))
(((James)))
(((FDL)))
(((THE CONSTITUTION)))
Fresh thready goodness, up and running for everyone.
Scarecrow @ 52
Caw, Caw, Scarecrow. Good reading.
I respectfully ask, however, that you reconsider the name of the new party.
The Constitutional Democrats…Kadets, for short…..were the greatest collaborationists with the forces of reaction and violence against the people during the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.
Scarecrow @ 145
Yeah, but that a$$ in Australia has no qualms about following the boy king.
And what should we make of this one?
Scarecrow @145:
That’s an understatement about Brown. He has been pointed about his opposition to Bush — in the presence of Bush, no less — and his actions — withdrawing from Basra — have been unequivocal enough to earn him the shrieks of the American press (along the lines of “what ever happened to the stiff upper lip?!”).
And what are we to make of this?
Remember Vigilant Warrior was the name of the “exercise” that was being conducted when 9-11 occurred.
NORTHCOM to conduct 5 day martial law exercise
Scarecrow @ 142
It’s really incredible – all you have to do is shout, “Yay America!” and it trumps any other point that someone with the least bit of sense is trying to make. Although Ron Paul wants to get rid of most all of government, he is at least consistent with his principles, and on Iraq he’s dead to rights.
Biodun @ 151
Petraeus is becoming a master of the “bright shiny object.” He knows the troops have to come out and cannot be replaced. The point of this nonsense is to deal with the logical problem they created for themselves: If the “surge” succeeded in improving security, that means to improve security, you need more troops there — but he knows he’s going to lose 30,000 troops that can’t be replaced. So he makes up a story — and Bush previewed this in his sneak Iraq visit — that security is so good that we don’t even need extra troops to sustain it.
There is absolutely no compelling evidence to support any of this chain of logic; it is all nonsense.
brendan @ 152
the situation with brown may be a bit more complicated than that. for example, you might want to give this a listen.
Alicia @ 154
I was recently at a rodeo in Colorado were the Lee Greenwood song about being proud to be an American actually took precedence over the National Anthem. There simply is a faction of folk who are, “Proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m free.”
And they will continue to enjoy their pride, poor grammar and supposed freedom up until the point that martial law is declared and free elections suspended. Fortunately, at that point, they have guns mounted on the gunrack of the old Ford fur just that sort of contingency!
selise
the two strategies can co-exist. I like Dean, I’m starting to like Edwards.
But structurally as was pointed out earlier, they are free to rake in corporate loot and take grassroots support for granted. That’s gotta change. Primary challenges, and other parties on the ballot, or people will be having this same discussion in even numbered years for as long as the voting ritual continues.
james @ 153
Chimpco’s privatizing of emergency services &unleashing/sh*t (pardon language) more mercenary/blackwell fascists on us (Deja vu poor New Orleans). It has to stop. It is one of the most dangerous things going on right now.
james @ 153
What a name! Vigilant Shield 08? As in 2008 election?
Yes, scarecrow, what Petraeus will recommend is a con. The ever supine NYT reporter John Burns a week or two ago wrote an article where he pushed the line that Petraeus wouldn’t kneejerk defend Bush’s policies because he was too professional and concerned about his future reputation. But Petraeus is a willing part of the con (as is John Burns and, of course, Michael Gordon) that is Bush’s Iraq policy.
ccmask @ 160
Ollie is their Heero.
Why am I doing this to myself so early in the morning. The GAO report hearing gives me little hope, again. Walker’s responses to questions are the typical “the sky is blue” answers. Basically, no clear answer. Again phrases like “it’s complicated” are used to excuse giving direct answers.
Some Democrats are asking good questions but the party has no intension of taking a firm stand on demanding a definite time to leave Iraq. The compromise is to do a token pullout of a few troops but it is meaningless.
Now Werner is saying we cannot have a stragegy based on the a political solution but it just isn’t happening. Does this mean Bush will change the benchmarks and delete the political solution side of Iraq? Graham’s statement that the military go out and execute the US policies in Iraq, I just don’t get. Another general statement that makes no sense. Just what is the State Department doing to make the political solution possible? My assessment is that the State Department has deserted our military.
Maybe someone here can shed light on what the State Department has done successfully.
james @ 153
now that is frightening
ccmask @ 160
Vigilant Shield: A new condom from Larry Craig?
Let’s stop wasting our time on these sheep. We would help our cause far more by unionizing Wal-Mart. Why, because in the environment surrounding a unionized Wal-Mart we would have the votes to elect candidates with spines.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
The only alternative is NOT “just giving up”, it is just giving up on the democratic party! OR at the least, giving up on those democrats that have been wrong and starting to reward those that have been right (kucinich comes to mind)
It is a big myth that the only alternative to the repuglican party is the democrats – that is how you got the reps that you have – by voting for the lesser of two evils. How about trying and voting with who you agree with, instead of who you think is “electable”. How about standing up for your own morals (in how you vote), instead of expecting those that you elected to have morals that you yourselves don’t have.
Scarecrow @ 52
You might consider calling it “The Jeffersonian Party” in honor of the author of the Declaration of Independance.
SufiLizard @ 139
Not at all. I’m honored, indeed.
At A Tiny Revolution (Jonathan Schwarz’s blog: http://tinyrevolution.com/mt) on September 5, JS posted “Democrats and the Iron Law of Institutions.” That puts forward one plausible version of what’s wrong with the Dems.
Lynn @ 170
quoting from the the link…
ding-da-ding-ding, dingety-ding!
We are living right now with the consequences of the capitulation of the anti-war movement to John “Reporting-for-duty” Kerry in 2004.
Electability fetishists, try not to allow a neo-con, corporate sellout to be nominated in 08. they don’t win, and everybody is stuck with their fallout for years.
The national Dems are not getting another dime from me until they show some evidence of a spine. Period.
Intervention, it is to late. As with cancer
evisceration or, “cutting it out” is a better method.
Natural Selection Corporate T(r)eason & “Executive Oil”
Another possibility re why the Dems are doing nothing is suggested in Peace Patriot’s comment (#279) on looseheadprop’s post yesterday, “Thursday afternoon . . . tin foil chapeau.” About halfway through the comment, find the para that suggests that Pelosi made a deal to take impeachment (among other things) off the table if the administration would refrain from attacking Iran.
What the democrats lack is a wordsmith. Someone like Howard Dean who can straight-forwardly say what’s wrong with the republicans in a witty attention getting way without being intimidated. The thinking public then responds, ‘ah ha’ with a laugh of appreciation and it changes the direction of the debate.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
Right now we can’t even credibly “strive,” because if the Democrats we helped elect won’t do anything, who will? And by the way, why aren’t they doing anything? If we even knew that, we could possibly figure out how to persuade them to act.
Right now it seems as though we, along with a large majority of the country, are on the other side of an impermeable membrane, looking in, but unable to change anything inside.
exactly, precisely, absolutely correct.
OldCoastie @ 8
As I understand it, Reid is giving the Republicans a chance to change direction. After that, if they don’t go with the Dems, it’s Bush AND the Congressional Republicans who own the war lock, stock and barrel.
Then, as you suggest, the Dems should restrain them as much as possible.
In any event the assault on the Bush admin. should continue with oversight aimed toward developing legislation defining proper use of classification of information and it’s handling. This alone should lead to many things which could bring down Cheney. It could also add to the pile of information which can contribute to impeaching Bush.
If the Congressional Repubs won’t go along with Dems (who are asking politely), then they’ll face armageddon on election day. The public wants us out of Iraq and the Republicans will fall by the wayside if they don’t comprehend that.
As for net neutrality: there’s no way the fight on that can be over already.
Praedor Atrebates @ 38
I understand your sentiments and Sha’s sentiments. We are not asking the Democrats to undertake some extreme “partisan” fight, we are asking them as Americans to respond to the hard facts of this War, the shredding of our beloved Constitution and as people of decency and responsibility to stand up and end the War and restore our Constitutional rights.
Ariadne @ 12
I’m sure some Dems feel that way, especially Blue Dogs who don’t want to stick their necks out to oppose the war. They’re being cautious while soldiers are dying and that’s gonna cost ‘em.
Puzzle: what does your handle and “Hansel and Gretel” have in common?
Deacon Blues @ 13
Let’s listen to John Edwards’ speech and see what he has in mind.
It’s supposed to be today some time, I think. But, I don’t know if it will be televised or at what time.
Does anybody here know when Edwards’ speech is?
MarkH, I had kind of written Edwards off because I didn’t feel like the media would allow him to be the nominee. They have treated him reminiscent of how they treated Gore. But, he seems to be emerging as the candidate with some guts and some real leadership on a lot of issues.
Ann in AZ @ 36
I’d guess they knew enough about Bush that he would do whatever he wanted, regardless of the intelligence (which is proven to be true now), so they didn’t bother opposing him. Plus, some wanted to avoid being seen as not supporting the troops and some wanted specifically to support the president’s freedom to do his job (especially if they were to someday become prez).
There was no strong argument for voting against it except that “The president ought to know better.” and we know that is irrelevant with Bush.
Elliott @ 37
John Edwards — leadership America is crying out for!
Laura Doty @ 39
And, if that doesn’t work there’s always a 60s protestor, Arlo Guthrie:
“If you wanna stop war & stuff ya gotta yell LOUD.”
MarkH @ 183
The Democrats fear of being viewed as weak is exactly what makes them weak. They are not street fighters like the GOP. Until they are willing to stand up for something bigger than themselves they will continue to disappoint. With a few exceptions, I have never seen such a crop of people unwilling to speak the truth, unable to frame a simple truthful argument or call out the GOP when they blatantly lie to the American people. Daily, they insult our intelligence. If I were an employer, I wouldn’t want 99% of them on my staff because we cannot put our trust in them to act in the best interest of us all.
MarkH @ 185
Yes, I’ll go for that. Pray and yell loud.
Also –basil, when all else fails, sauté some basil.
brendan @ 141
“Seek the Truth for the Truth will set you free, but first it gives you a headache.” — Internet joke by the famous author anonymous
MarkH @ 184
While it would be nice to have a sane leader, it may be time to consider alternatives to leaders, electronic democracy for example. As for our present predicament, I don’t think putting money on the Dems is a good bet. It hasn’t been, and there are no indications they will improve. The internet is infinitely expandable and it is fast. We could talk about how we might use it as an engine for change, but we have to hit bottom vis a vie the Dems. I don’t think most of us are there yet.
Lynn Lightfoot @ 170
excellent link, thank you!
MarkH @ 180
Puzzle: what does your handle and “Hansel and Gretel” have in common?
In traditional Greek myth Ariadne gave Theseus a thread to find his way out of the labyrinth (although, technically there is only one way in and out in a labyrinth, while a maze has many dead ends). H&G left a trail of crumbs to find their way back. I’ve been trying to delve back into the prehistoric Ariadne, so haven’t thought about the thread part for a long time.
http://www.mjleach.com/ariadne.htm