I saw the strangest article in the American Spectator the other day. If I read it correctly, it suggested that Alberto Gonzales resigned a week or so earlier than he or the White House intended.
So why the speed up? According to DOJ staff, revelations that the Department was continuing to improperly vet partners for Muslim outreach programming were brewing, particularly with the resignation of the head of the department’s civil rights division.
So what’s the big deal with that?
Earlier in August, it was reported that the department had canceled a Muslim outreach event at Washington headquarters, which would have featured Gonzales, after it was learned one of the cosponsors had ties to a Muslim organization that was an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing prosecution.
Holy Land Foundation??? Where or where intrepid Plamesters have we heard the name of the Holy Land Foundation before???? Hmmmm?
Wait, wait, something is coming back to me from my foggy memory? Why do I associate Holy Land Foundaton with the Libby Trial?? What is the connection?
Yee Gods! and little fishes!!
I remember now. Judy, Judy, Judy!
Yes, intrepid pups—those of you with steel trap memories where probably shouting her name at your computer screens as you were reading this.
Judy Miller telephoned the Holy Land Foundation and tipped them off the day before the FBI came with a search warrant from Pat Fitzgerald. Josh Marshall had that story long ago, and do scroll through the comments following it for some informative tidbits or maybe just tinfoil hattery.
The thing is, the commenters seem to think that the WH may have had an interest in tipping off the Islamic charities that were the targets of PatFitz’s money laundering/terrorism financing investigation because there were connections that would lead back to some of Bush and Cheney’s favorite Saudis.
Well I don’t know, but something pretty strange is going on because in the American Spectator article an unnamed White House source who claims that Pat “the silent one” Fitzgerald has leaked, LEAKED I tell you, information about Gonzales’ connection to the Muslim charities and it had embarrassed AGAG and he was afraid of being caught out again.
And why was there concern about these stories? Because the U.S. Attorney handling the Holy Land case is none other than Patrick Fitzgerald, of Scooter Libby fame. Fitzgerald is believed by some inside the White House to have been the source of the earlier Muslim leak that embarrassed Gonzales.
OK, repeat after me: what is the first rule of White House spin? If they are accusing you of doing it, it doesn’t mean you are doing it, it means they are doing it.
So, if some anonymous person in the WH is accusing PatFitz of leaking information that AGAG broke the law and committed blatant obstruction of justice, perhaps witness tampering and could even be considered a co-conspirator or inside “mole” inside the DOJ for these targets of criminal investigation; what can we surmise?
1) First, how much does it strain credulity to believe the sphinxlike Fitzgerald has suddenly taken to leaking to the press. Oh, he will throw you a hint here and there if you want to read between the lines of one of his legal filings, but “let’s do lunch dahling” and leak?
I’m having a really hard time swallowing that one.
2) What incentive would he have to leak? If he has the goods on Gonzo, he could either bide his time and hope he gets a chance to indict him before the Statute of Limitations runs out, or JUST GO PUBLIC. Like Comey did with the Ashcroft hospital thingy.
3) Why would it profit the WH to put out this goofy story? Well, OK, why other than their insatiable need to slime PatFitz? But this isn’t even high quality slime, in fact it’s silly sounding slime.
Don’t forget this story essentially admits that Gonzo did something criminal. That’s a kinda big deal.
So, Firepups, it’s time to get out the tinfoil. Clearly, there is SOME KIND OF JUICY BACKSTORY here. Let’s have a good time trying to speculate figure out about what the truth might be.
It’s kinda like playing Clue (which I love—Colonel Mustard in the Library with the candlestick!), only with real crimes that have real consequences.
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Tin foil hats, yay!
yo
Looseheadprop!
Putting on my tin foil with LHP !! And singles !!
Professor Plum Plame
punaise @ 5
with a candle stick
Wow wee!
raven @ 6
…with the slide rule.
I will defer to Marcy on this. I am sure she has her suspicions.
I love this. What game materials do I need and where do I get the rules?
So they admit Gonzo committed crimes? Next steps = ?
A new Pearl Harbor…
This may be the string with which to pull out the truth.
looseheadprop!
this calls for heavy duty tin foil hats!
retirin’ in five @ 8
How bout from asshole to earlobe with a dull deer antler.
LS @ 12
Sounds like your getting Craigish!
#5, 6, 8
In the library (since Shrub won’t go in there, it’s probably where all the bodies are).
I guess they figure everyone’s forgotten Fitz. They figure wrong.
BTW you would have to enlarge the picture to see it, but all those hats are tinfoil.
Somebody was very talented
I love Fitz. I have met him before, will not say where/when/why, but he is the REAL deal, folks. I know I am preaching to the choir, here. He is a fine representative of the new generation coming to power, along with Obama, etc…
OK, repeat after me: what is the first rule of White House spin? If they are accusing you of doing it, it doesn’t mean you are doing it, it means they are doing it.
Classic Projection 101. Spew your faults on someone else, than ridicule them for those faults while absolving yourself of the same. The problem is people buy into this crap.
Oh gosh. Another scandal to learn.
Hey, lhp-
And btw, thank you from my heart for (gaaak) reading the Spectator so the rest of us don’t have to.
Wowie Kazowee!!
Another Fitzmas!!! I have been really really good this year too!!
Clearly, these people have read too many Tom Clancy novels. Fiction should be stranger than truth, and the two should not converge — at least not in the minds of the people whom we elect to govern the country.
Ooops, my bad. I forgot that we did not, in fact, elect the current President and Vice President.
P J Evans @ 16
I’m wondering about that myself.
You KNOW the backstory has got to be good. It’s driving me a little crazy with anticipation
A three way cut Raven: long, deep, and continuous. (A line from some long forgotten r&b tune.)
And from below — you in the USPS? After three years of regimentation by Uncle Sam? Seems destined to fail — expecially in retrospect.
behindthefall @ 10
Okay, show of hands – how many Firepups are Clue fans?
waving my hand madly–
tejanarusa @ 24
I confess
tejanarusa @ 24
Love the game. Don’t get to play very often. I wonder if there’s any online versions to play (ha!).
peanutbutter-
If not online, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a DVD version.
Judy Miller in the garden with a petrified aspen root.
peanutbutter @ 26
there’s a version you can download
can’t vouch for it.
retirin’ in five @ 28
spew alert!
tejanarusa @ 27
The point really would be to play with other people, though, not against a computer :)
Oh thank you LHP. I have run through my Italian mystery books and needed something new to work on (and to hope for). Clue was OK. Kinda boring I thought, but then, IANAL. ;-)
tejanarusa @ 24
You know before my marraige with ex Mr. Prop went to hell, I used to constatnly threaten toget one of those dinner party murder mystery kits, and stage a murder mystery.
AT the time we were living in this old norman style tudor house (witha turret and everything) that the kids in the neighborhood used to call the “castle” or some times “the haunted castel”—yes, we threw THE BEST Halloween parties.
So ,the house was a natural, but I never got around to it, and now I don’t live there any more.
But figuring ot WH spin is my new fun mystery game
peanutbutter @ 32
Perhaps we are.
Somewhat OT, but related because of Fitz: It would be a close call Constitutionally, with Chadiha and the like, but what about a PERMANENT special prosecutor office, staffed by two USAttorneys, each from the Dems and Republican, and separate from the Department of Justice and the Executive. And, the USattorneys selected would have to come from one of the 93 offices throughout the United States, not in DC. If it were feasible, now is the time to strike.
great piece looseheadprop!
let me point out again, I believe much of these releases are comming from the cia
in kind retribution for allowing to get away, cover up and continue, the criminals that exposed our covert assets putting the lives of these officers at peril
tejanarusa @ 31
Then there’s this one — Dick Cheney in the back forty with a shotgun.
Mr. Gnome has been looking for fez for a long time. Is the one pictured above available at the local millinery shop?
tejanarusa @ 30
BillO in the bathroom stall with the falafal.
I found this article about the B52 nukes flying over good o USA. Thought I share it with you. Larry Green called up an old B52 pilot friend and got some insight.
Staging Nuke for Iran?
By Larry Johnson | bio
“Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 base in Barksdale, Louisiana?” …
“So I called a old friend and retired B-52 pilot and asked him” …
“Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations. Gee, why would we want cruise missile nukes at Barksdale Air Force Base. Can’t imagine we would need to use them in Iraq. Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations?
His final point was to observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else.”
and the last paragraph
“Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking.”
retirin’ in five @ 23
We had this punk that was in the Navy Reserve as a supervisor. He’d come in his little white outfit and stare at us for the entire shift. One night he tried to stand between me and the time clock. . .sheeet. Best thing that ever happened to me. Couple years later I broke my back in a car wreck and it forced me to go back to college and beat the GI Bill into a pulp!
BTW:
Del Gue
* [to Jeremiah Johnson] You turn down this gift, and they’ll slit you, me, Caleb and the horses from crotch to eyeball with a dull deer antler!
“The Holy Land Foundation is shut down and its assets are seized. Holy Land claimed to be the largest Muslim charity in the US. It claimed to raise millions for Palestinian refugees and denied any support for terrorism. In justifying the move, the US government presents evidence of ties between the Holy Land and Hamas. Much of this evidence dates back to 1993; the Associated Press titles a story on the closure, “Money Freeze A Long Time Coming.” [Associated Press, 12/5/2001] Holy Land offices in San Diego, California; Paterson, New Jersey; and Bridgeview, Illinois, are also raided. [CNN, 12/4/2001] The indictment says Holy Land has been “deeply involved with a network of Muslim Brotherhood organizations dedicated to furthering the Islamic fundamentalist agenda espoused by Hamas.” [Washington Post, 9/11/2004] Holy Land is represented by the powerful law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld. Three partners at Akin, Gump are very close to President Bush: George Salem chaired Bush’s 2000 campaign outreach to Arab-Americans; Barnett “Sandy” Kress was appointed by Bush as an “unpaid consultant” on education reform and has an office in the White House; and James Langdon is one of Bush’s closest Texas friends. [Boston Herald, 12/11/2001; Washington Post, 12/17/2001] The leaders of Holy Land will be charged with a variety of crimes in 2002 and 2004 (see December 18, 2002-April 2005).
Entity Tags: Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, US Department of the Treasury, Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development”
http://www.cooperativeresearch…..e_treasury
Tin foil…It’s the new black!
raven @ 15
I’ll pretend I don’t know what you are talking about! *G* lol
I had to run get my heavy tin foil I only use at Thanksgiving. I think it’s still good. I don’t think tin foil has a shelf life – it’s more like infinity. Hummm! Fun game!
LS @ 44
Some of us hung out in boom boom joints in asia many moons ago.
LS @ 42
These kind of things shouldn’t surprise me any more. And yet…
LS @ 44
Oh gag me. I just figured out what you were talking about. Pass the brain bleach, please!
Gnome de Plume @ 48
Any port in a storm.
lhp-
And there are always new levels, new stories, to play with!
LHP!!!
But pray tell us more about Pat Fitz’s “Holy Land” investigations. Have these been hidden under a bushel basket? I don’t remember hearing about this at all. So maybe Gonzo is involved? What’s the plot here? Who’s trying to do what to whom? Yeah, the WH is trying to slime Fitz, but who is Fitz investigating and why?
Does this mean we have to do homework and root around in the sources you provided like Marcy in the Weeds?
Bob in HI
raven @ 49
I am so out of the loop I have only the slightest clue what all of this talk means
retirin’ in five @ 29
So Larry Gannon/Craigert has a wide stance, eh?
I hear Judy Miller has a “wide recline.”
I ran into a quote I liked the other day, from Czarist diplomat Alexander Gorchakov: “I never believe anything that hasn’t been publicly denied.”
bobschacht @ 51
Marcy in the Weeds, is that a catholic thing?
OMG… how evil are these people? Please reassure me that there is some limit to their evil. OK. If this HLF funds terror, and AGAG supports HLF, isn’t that, well, at least vaguely treasonable? Ugh.
I think Perris @ 37 is on to something. A leaky here, a leaky there, maybe by rank and file Bushies gone sour. Ahhh, but the CIA can keep it coming. They know where all the bodies are buried (since they buried so many themselves).
raven @ 55
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Marcy in the weeds with a timeline!
Raven,
Are you one of those guys who knows every line of that movie? (You’re not my ex-boyfriend from Okla. are you?????)
JF @ 59
We have a winner!!!!
Do you think Fitz is investigating this???:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003432.php
perris @ 53
Let’s shut this down before cassie shows up, isn’t 9th grade about out in Texas?
tejanarusa @ 60
Twarnt Mormons.
The Holy Land Foundation was shut down. It was not a Fundy Christian Outfit. It was a Muslim Charity project founded in 1988 by Shrakri Baker (James Baker’s kin?) as Occupied Lands Foundation.
Why would Judith Miller feel the need to have tipped them off if she didn’t have friends there?
Why would AGAG need to cancel the speaking engagement? This seems flimsy. Gonzo did everthing else he damn well pleased (at the pleasure of the president).
Earlier in August, it was reported that the department had canceled a Muslim outreach event at Washington headquarters, which would have featured Gonzales, after it was learned one of the cosponsors had ties to a Muslim organization that was an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing prosecution.
Seems that the cosponsor with the ties may have had other ties that bind.
Blub @ 56
I am not an expert, but I do know that Al Qaeda is Sunni, and the Saudis are mostly Sunni, and the 9/11 attacks were Sunni-Saudis, and that the HLF is Sunni. Now, I know that doesn’t mean that ALL Saudi-Sunnis are Al Qaeda, but like Sy Hersh wrote a couple months ago, the US is arming Sunni radicals to fight the Shites and Iran.
Gnome de Plume @ 48
Here ya go, I already took mine when raven first posted *severe look*
:-)
tejanarusa @ 31
707!
MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm…..LOVE me some tin foil!
Here’s just a small scrap of Reynolds wrap (SSRW); what if it were as simple as Cheney just never really liked the Shrub’s little, pet lawyer. Even if the oval office Shrubbery were unable to see that blind loyalty was taking his already dismal poll numbers and dragging them past the point of usefulness. The Cheney master would not like that, he might just decide to leak when the opportunity knocked with the Muslim deal.
Get Tough @ 36
i think they are going to have to come up with some new form of Independant Counsel law. your’s is not the worst idea I have ever heard,
But don’t forget, there have been lots and lots of IC’s whose names most of you don’t know. They are all not super
heroslawyers, like Pat.What he did, and more signifigantly how he did, was pretty extraordinary
tejanarusa @ 59
Men have two innate talents: (1) How to work even the most complex of remote controls on the fly, and (2) quote obscure quotes from obscure movies.
Elliott @ 26
we lost the board game so now I’m Clueless.
LS @ 43
Um…would Grover Norquist be slinking about here, too?
LHP, what’s with the sudden burst of outreach by AGAG, too? He was here in my homestate making suck-up to the Native American tribes, bearing gifts of cash and promises about Violence Against Women just a couple weeks before he pulled the plug.
Was he out buying votes, in a round-about way?
Or was he prepping folks with resources to move cash in quantities??
Too tired to think about this, need a nap. I’ll ponder this one after a few winks in an arm chair.
QuakerGirl @ 57
I keep wondering about the CIA. By rights, Tenet should have gunned down the WH long ago for the way the WH treated the CIA like so much chump change. If this is part of CIA revenge, it’s certainly a long and drawn out process…
raven @ 56
A lost manuscript by J. D. Salinger.
“Twarnt Mormons” said Del Qu. Now that one should have had a spew alert for recognition sake. After that, I’d have to bet Raven’s got a whole lot of movie lines in his memory banks.
Iraq is believed by some inside the White House to have WMDs.
The constitution is believed by some inside the White House to not apply to the President in times of war.
Subpoenas in the name of congressional oversight are believed by some inside the White House to be illegal.
You’d be amazed what some inside the White House believe. Or, after seven years of it, maybe not.
looseheadprop:
You will find a picture of an actual tin-foil hat in a screen-grab (fourth from bottom) from Woody Allen’s “Sleeper”:
http://whatthebutlerblogged.bl….._8582.html
looseheadprop @ 69
Very true. Fitz deserves an award named after him.
Get Tough said:
LOL!
raven @ 64
It took me 10 years to find the soundtrack on vinyl. All the was from Australia it came. The great thing is that it has a good bit of the dialog on it plus the music. The bad thing is there isn’t much about the singer. It was Tim McIntire who also played Alan Freed in American Hot Wax.
QuakerGirl @ 58
Remember what quote is over the lobby at the C.I.A?
“Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.“
retirin’ in five @ 76
Them’s that dies will be the lucky ones!
I don’t know the precise reason Gonzales resigned. There are so many to choose from. As for the timing, in a general sense, the August recess is a dead news time with most of the nation and government less focused than usual on news. It also got Gonzales’ resignation over and done with before the September “surge” debate and so they didn’t have him stepping on their Iraq message.
The precise day was a little odd because it placed it at the beginning of a weekly news cycle rather than at its end.
“It was Tim McIntire who also played Alan Freed in American Hot Wax.” And a corrupt guard in “Brubaker.” (Sometimes our useless knowledge carries beyond the movie dialogue.)
Get Tough @ 71
I resemble that remark!
This is the foil I prefer:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076723/quotes
The video, here.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vW6…..mp;search=
Rayne @ 73
When I hear “Native Americans” and “outreach” by the Bush administration in the same sentence, two words come to mind: Jack Abramoff.
Of course Akin Gump also represented Monica Goodling if I remember correctly
Isn’t the HLF the kind of shady foundation former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds hinted that she was enjoined from talking about?
Raven- obscure movies, indeed.
retirin’ in five @ 85
Try to find a copy of American Hot wax, no VHS nop DVD. Lorranie Newman, Jay Leno, The Killer, Screamin Jay Hawkins. . .damn.
raven @ 85
It’s good to know he’s out there, the Dude, taking ‘er easy for all us sinners…..
And ‘corrupt guard’ brings us full cirlce back a ‘corrupt AG’. My party, the Dems, will be all over this, won’t they, LHP?
tejanarusa @ 91
Oh, but it was sooooo good. “The Chesterfields”!
bobschacht @ 52
oR ROOT AROUND IN SOURCES YOU FIND ON YUR OWN AS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED UPTHREAD.
tHE hOLY laND INVESTIGATION INVOLVED iirc 3 MUSLIM CHARITIES.
PatFitz had managed to develope enough probable cause to get search warants to raid their offices. The day before the FBI was going to raid Holy LAnd, Judy Miler called and asked them for a quoate about the Fitz investiagtion. Presumable by the time the FBI showed up the next day, all the best evidence had been disappeared.
A colleague of Miller’s coincedentlay calle dup anothe rof the charties the day before itwas scheduled to be raided by search warratn bearing FeeBees.
This was before Judy went to jail in the scooter trial and when she did some inthe MSM said Pat was being harsh with her to punish her for screwing up his Holy Land raid.
He (I think–I haven’t checked in a while) i still in litgation with the NYTimes over forcing them to give up their telephone records to show who else Judy talked to.
That would give him the proabale cause he needs to compell her testimony in this case as well.
go forth and Google!
ooow. hope i’m not too late to play.
here’s a crazy a guess i haven’t seen:
the suspect charity connections were really with someone else in the WH, and since gonzo was already gonzo… they put out the word that he was the connection.
these guys are the masters of deflection.
…i can’t see fitz leaking unless it was something that he heard outside the grand jury and his professional duties.
BTW
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..banon.html
This is hardly a surprising finding given that the vast majority of Lebanese killed were civilians while the vast majority of Israelis killed were military.
CocoaBeach @ 88
Jeb’s kid was an associate there, too. Not the one popping pills, the up-and-comer one.
Peterr–
My thoughts, exactly. But Abramoff’s in jail…
Best thing about Gonzo is that he’s gone- Rover’s gone too. Guess we’re gonna have Clusterfuck for another 16 months or so.
Looks as if we’ll have his war for another three or four years. Looks like we’ll have his economy for another five at least- Looks as if we’ll enjoy his effect on the environmen eternally…
How does a guy like this get into the White House?
Incredible.
Get Tough @ 93
How many people that saw that have any idea what the Port Huron statement is? Of course all these commies on the lake should.
punaise @ 71
you’ll have to scrabble to catch up
“American Hot Wax.”
W/ Jay Leno and Fran “the Nanny” Drescher?
sporkovat @ 90
turkish version, i think?
CocoaBeach @ 89
Achin’ Gump? can’t see the Forrest for the trees: “lahf is lahk a baox uh chowcolits”
raven @ 101
The original, of course, and not the compromised second draft, right?
Brisingamen @ 82
And so they reveal the truth……bit by bit.
Who is it that benefits by isolating Bush the Lesser, thereby making him easier to steamroller, and gets to toss in a slime at one of his least favorite people?
Can you say ‘Darth Cheney’? I knew you could.
He’s saving that line to use on Marcy.
;-)
Elliott @ 103
Deadeye Dick plays Shoots and Bladders
Get Tough @ 93
Go see my comment at #87.
kitty, kitty
It’s just a wild guess, but there were, um, twenty-eight pages redacted from the SSIC 9/11 report that purportedly had to do with, uh, Saudi financing of, um, terrorists and things like that….
So, naturally, I would wonder if maybe those pages were redacted by the White House, to, say, avoid embarrassment. And, of course, Republicans being very good at keeping secrets, none of them would dare tell any of their colleagues in the SJC about some obvious problems that they really ought to investigate.
Or something.
jim oconnor @ 104
And Cameron Crowe!
lhp -
Oh, honey, your typing really is pretty funny — but your writing (not the same thing!) and your analysis are first-rate. Forgive the gentle teasing…love your posts.
peanutbutter @ 73
Not Tenet. Tenet was a water carrier for Clinton and for Dubya. Lacking core principles, Tenet had no axe to grind. These are inside guys. The lower level institutional employees that disagree with the sh*t that’s going on. They would be the leakers.
Get Tough @ 107
There it is.
Brisingamen @ 82
Who says that those wacky guys at the CIA don’t have a sense of humor?
Waves hand madly again!
Umm, I’m old enough to recall Port Huron Statement from current events (it was SDS, wasn’t it? memory a bit vague),
but in truth, I am not sure of the source of the movie quote.
Gotta go get a root canal now, I will check back after I come out of the laughing gas to see whatcha all figured out.
Cheers
I’ll take the foil derby thank you very much….
Wow, small world, this tango between Fitz and Miss Judy…
I wonder if this tidbit will be incorporated in that new movie, “Nothing but the Truth”…
(What a hoot, perhaps a name change in that movie is in order)….
Shooter is our next president so who is the Vice President? Not Nancy for certain. Will Shooter appoint someone? Who is his favorite? I didn’t know he had friends, professional or otherwise. Things are looking good for Shooter; going just the way he planned.
I guess it is time to breakout this classic.
tejanarusa @ 120
outside of being a roady for Metallica on the Wheels of Steel tour–bunch of a**holes, and the occasional acid flashback, it’s what the main character is best known for…that, and a pair of testicals.
punaise @ 110
you must be known as Uncle Giggly
looseheadprop @ 121
Ouch!
[[[[[[lhp]]]]]]]
Really wish I could play but It took me so long to read the comments that I now have meeting in 7 minutes to go to.
Nobody does weeds better than Marcy. Just throwing something out there that may be totally irrelevant—what about the 2 guys caught in the A*PAC plot. Is there a way this cross pollenates?
No tin foil hat workshop at YKos this year . . . yet another thing to add to the YK2 bummer list.
Check back later but keep wading in the muck. There has to be a pony in there somewhere.
tejanarusa @ 120
Current events, in 62? Wow, you must be as old as me.
QuakerGirl @ 123
Who else? Lynne.
raven @ 57
Unless I’m missing the point of your question, Marcy in the weeds is FDL lore for what happens when Marcy goes off into what seems like an information wasteland (the weeds) and finds gems that have been dropped here and there, but long forgotten by the milling throngs. She then weaves the gems together (usually with the help of a timeline), and a secret plot is thereby revealed.
Bob in HI
Helpless Dancer @ 124
You’re killin me over here!
raven @ 131
Men are morons. It’s amazing that women actually elect to spend time with us.
looseheadprop @ 121
Sending happy thoughts your way. Take care.
raven @ 56
St.-Marcy-in-the-Weeds, perhaps?
raven @ 128
I’m tellin’ ya, I’m OLD! Twelve in ‘62. Perhaps I exaggerate – may have been in college when I learned about it.
Bob, that was a lovely description (and tribute to) of Marcy’s amazing talents.
montag @ 129
Now my eyes are open. I see how we get a woman president. By lineage.
raven @ 102
Jeebus. How is being concerned about social inequities “commie”? That’s kind of post-Eisenhowerish thinking.
We ought to be revisiting the Port Huron Statement, frankly. Especially since the original opponents of the statement’s authors, the YAF, are reemerging and they are incredibly, scarily ugly. Hate crime advocates.
(I’m ignoring the fact that you were going Lebowski on us; the obscure Coen reference is less important to our social circle than the Port Huron Statement itself.)
tejanarusa @ 135
born Nov 49, class of 67. . .well, Army in 66, GED in 67
“It’s kinda like playing Clue (which I love—Colonel Mustard in the Library with the candlestick!), only with real crimes that have real consequences.”
Oh, like, say, purgury? Or obstruction of justice? No, I’m afraid that all crimes committed by the WH fall under executive privilege and, by presidential executive order, cannot be investigated, prosecuted, or even reported. Even if Al did it in the Senate chamber with a shotgun he’d still walk. What a country.
QuakerGirl @ 123
there are a few predictions that shooter is going to resign in a week or so
myself, I believe that if indeed all of this information being released is from the cia, then that is why rove was resigned, that is why abu torture was resigned and in fact, since shooter was the person that exposed our covert assets, he is the final spoke that must be reconsiled
they will leave bush to waver in the wind
all speculation but still, it does play niceley and would make an incredible book
Oh flick, I put myself in mod. What did I say this time?
I didn’t say Cas*nos or L*kud or **PAC or C*al*s…??
http://baltimorechronicle.com/…..loyd.shtml
Fitzgerald actually won the court battle on the telephone records, lhp – but the victory came only days away from the expiration of one key round of statutes of limitation (in December, 2006, I think?). [Fitzgerald wasn’t requesting testimony from the reporters at the time - just access to their telephone records for certain discrete dates. Philip Shenon is the other reporter, I think? I remember discussions about this over at Marcy’s at the time.]
Pinch Sulzberger and the NYTimes fought on behalf of Judy and the neocons all the way to the Supreme Court, and lost. I’ve wondered since if they managed to win in the end by running out the clock to such an extent that Fitzgerald (and I believe AUSA Debra Riggs Bonamici) couldn’t effectively act on the information they learned quickly enough to bring indictment(s) on whomever did the leaking.
The first statute of limitations ran out days after the court victory; and I believe there was reference in one of the filings to the fact that the next key statute of limitations would expire within the next six months (say May of this year) – but I may be mistaken about that. Either way, it seems likely that if there were indictments, they were sealed, or else it’s too late for that. But perhaps I have the timing wrong, and the statute of limitations on one or more offenses has yet to run (though it would probably be getting quite near at hand…).
I’ll check out your links for more on this; the kicker is that someone with integrity probably knows – and someone(s) without integrity knows that that someone knows – the identity of certain someone(s) who made those phone call tip-offs, whether or not indictments were able to be served… That would cause some discomfort in certain guilty quarters, at a minimum.
Ah, an a small tidbit of news about our friend Judy, who seems to have found a home at the Manhatten Institute.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2….._in_1.html
All we need to know: William Kristol is on the Board of Trustees…
Get Tough @ 132
yea, except when they need something fixed. . .or killed. (like roaches, don’t get all hysterical)
raven @ 138
I’ve got a year on Raven — and grew up and live an hour or so west of Port Huron — but I didn’t learn about it until after the fact either. College, I believe, earlyl 70’s.
Elliott @ 102
Climb up the ladders, slide down the chutes…
LS @ 142
deserves leh snippet to entice;
Mod, it’s okay, you can tell me to be quiet. Obviously I’m using the wrong language to get mod’d twice in a row.
[Mod: You’re fine, keep talking]
looseheadprop @ 34
Heh. I know people who write those mystery games. Most of ‘em (the ones they didn’t write) are crap, btw, designed for the lowest-common-denominator of unimaginative people who have to be walked through everything.
I like Clue, but haven’t played in years; Colonel Mustard was always my favorite.
Another friend used to run great live-action Clue games. Everybody came dressed in a color and made up a name to match — the most memorable was “Goldie Lam” *g*
QuakerGirl @ 137
The Bush family motto is: “Public service for private gain.”
The Cheney family motto is: “Cronyism begins at home.”
:)
Well, well, well…now I really really have something to ask Judy, Judy, Judy about when she comes to town. Are there aspens in the Holy Land?? Just askin’
perris @ 142
It makes complete sense to me. He doesn’t want to run for any office again, he has made trillions for his huntin’ buddies, and it would be perfect for the Republicans because the guy/gal selected to the VP would have the incumbent track. Plus, the Republican candidates blow. It is Rove’s final play.
hackworth @ 116
Except that Tenet got royally shafted over by the WH itself. I do think he has an axe to grind, or at least he SHOULD. Very strange, that.
Toby Wollin @ 145
Who else would have her but a neo-con think tank. Right-wing welfare was her only option. Besides, she probably got a recommendation from Laurie Mylroie….
Rayne at 139 – I took Get Tough’s “commies” reference as ironic, even complimentary.
Yay LHP! Bring on the tinfoil, I wear it proudly. And I’ve never thought we heard the last from Fitz.
Did that once, it was a blast. Everyone had to dress up as a character from the 1910’s – I was a debutante and it was my engagement party to a witless society boy named Bunny. You had to be in character, talk in accents, and ad lib like mad. I thought my own best line was when I blurted “Bunny darling! Our kind of people don’t commit Petty Crimes!”
Rayne @ 139
Dude. The Duder, or El Dudorino, if you are not into the whole brevity thing.
perris @ 150
Thanks, I hit submit, when I meant to go back and get some text…new computer.
raven @ 103
Port Huron Statement
I’m of that vintage, but couldn’t remember the details. I was a freshman at the University of Wisconsin at the time, and a bit wet behind the ears.
Bob in HI
retirin’ in five @ 145
used to go salmon fishing in Muskegon
raven @ 140
OMG – I’m a month OLDER than you! LOL. Also Class of ‘67 – just missed the 40th reunion.
bobschacht @ 158
Have you read “They Marched into Sunlight?
tejanarusa @ 158
For the record, that was not my quote, anyway. It was raven’s.
Fitzy no leaky. Maybe Cheney via Addington is spinning this, or it was Miss Scarlet in the library with the knife.
perris @ 142
Juicy! Maybe FDL can write the jacket cover.
is there a Washington DC version of “Clue? You know, Senator X in the bathroom with a… plunger? Judge Q in the Oval Office with a… gun owned by Hussien? Vice Pres Y in the basement with a shotgun?
LOL
Get Tough @ 154
I can’t imagine any Republican candidate would want to be associated that closely with the Bush Administration. (Look what happened to McCain when he sucked up to them.) They’re all frantically trying to figure out how to break with Bush without actually saying he did anything wrong. Being made VP might get you some name recognition, but otherwise it would be the kiss of death.
Plus I can’t believe Cheney will ever let go of any levers of power until they pry them from his cold, dead hands. (And geez, he already has cold, dead hands, y’know?)
Rayne @ 139
Dude. You’re Lebowski, I’m the Dude. Or his Dudeness, or El Dudorino, if you are into that whole brevity thing.
#36 GetTough: I think your idea is good. I am in favor of the Justice Dept being seperated from the Exec Branch altogether!
ticktock @ 122
Why am I suddenly hearing the “Cell Block Tango” from “Chicago”?
LOL,
-S
Kathy/Fozzetti @ 169
In the bathroom with a shoe
Hey my ears are burning. And I was very busy turning on my TV because today’s the first day of FOOTBALL season (particularly if, as a Wolverine, you’ve already despaired of college football for the year).
pow wow @ 145
My understanding and pow wow’s are the same–Fitz got the phone records and then has gone silent since. The statute of limitations at the time, IIRC, was a perjury one (5 years in any case–from December 2001)–assuming someone had testified not to be Judy’s source. But I suspect that if Fitz figured out the source, he’d be more interested in putting together a substantive case.
carolyn urban @ 158
LOL, good one!
Fitz in the courtroom with a subpoena
[poking a little fun at the repubs who think opposing Libby is a crime]
This is the investigation in which Fitz tried to get our little Judy to testify – didn’t she fight that subpoena?
raven @ 147
So you’re saying that our gender makes a good chattel/servant/mercenary class then?
montag @ 152
The Wolfowitz family motto: “Cronyism begins in the bedroom.”
Redshift @ 171
There are plenty of Goop whor*s, Giulliani comes to mind and how can one forget Fredericks of Holywood
EW — Appalachian State? And for Raven — “Who are these freakin’ guys?”
emptywheel @ 172
I knew there was someone else I knew of that went to Michigan! Go Mountaineers! (I grew up in Boone, NC. There was never a lot to celebrate about ASU football until the past couple of years.)
Blub @ 175
Sorry, can’t talk now, have to get dinner ready.
Hugh @ 181
..well he was known for doing creative things with a comb.
I didn’t know he actually had a family.
perris @ 142
I think we’re seeing a chess match, but I’ve no clue who’s moving the pieces! Try this gambit:
IF Cheney resigns (good riddance to bad rubbish, sez I) who will the Criminal-in-Chief (or his puppet-masters) nominate for VP?
I’m guessing that it will be someone the GOP considers a viable candidate for 2008. IF that’s the case and Bush either resigns or is impeached, in theory the new VP could serve out the rest of GWB’s term, and be able to run for re-election twice.
Emptywheel!
Have you been in any weeds lately?
The resemblance between Ghouliani and this guy is amazing.
raven @ 185
This chattel has just had the Yorkshire Pud collapse. Maybe I’ll go fix a faucet.
Blub @ 185
He had Shaha Riza.
bonkers @ 184
You gotta lot of nerve dissin nosferatu like dat
bonkers @ 189
LOL! Rudy is not the only ‘undead’ Repub, I fear.
Brisingamen @ 185
the person that takes cheney’s place will be whoever they think can have a chance winning the election
if they think mccain can win, he will be the vp, if on the other hand they want to shop patreas, he will be the vp
bush pre pardons cheney
bush resigns, whoever takes office pre pardons bush
bing
tejanarusa @ 188
With a timeline?
Well, kids, I’ve got tasks that have been neglected. Thanks for making me laugh along with working my brain.
Now, I’ll be back later to see what you’ve all come up with for Looseheadprop to solve this mystery.
Sealed vs sealed or leak vs leak…
OT: The Real Rudy.
http://therealrudy.org/?utm_source=rgemail
Toby Wollin @ 146
Thanks for the information here. Wow! I consider the Manhattan Institute a place for losers so Judith Miller fits right in. I call these “welfare” jobs. You don’t get the job through merit. If anyone at the Manhattan Institute had to go out and get a real job and do real work, they may get their hands dirty – with good clean dirt, that is.
One of the funniest mornings on Washington Journal was when a woman from the Manhattan Institute, classic prim and proper cackling crow, a female Ichabod Crane, spoke disparagingly about workers who used their hands as her reason why manual labor work should go to immigrants or sent off-shore. She made a nasty face and said, “Americans don’t want to do dirty work.” I thought of all those carpenters and cabinet makers and gardeners who loved their work.
Kathy/Fozzetti @ 173
Although that would be ideal in the present climate, Constitutionally it’s impossible because the Executive “executes” the laws, and the DOJ is the executor, pardon the pun. BUT, I think a permanent IC office is prudent. Hard-core Republicans like Bruce Fein, and hard-core Democrats like those in the Lake, are both for it, and so now is the time to strike. The whole idea of the Constitution is checks and balances, and if Congress is reluctant/incapable of oversight and investigations because there are too many chefs in the kitchen, or whatever metaphor you want to use, then it seems wise to have a separate office, staffed by current USattorneys or Executive USattorneys.
Bay State Librul @ 196
Shades of Mad Magazine’s “Spy vs. Spy” — after all “What me worry” is in the White House…
egregious @ 177
Sweet!
Comedians crashing the APEC summit and now this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..eek-early/
I don’t think even the Daily Show writers could come up with anything funnier.
Brisingamen @ 187
If Cheney goes, it’s gotta be Jeb taking his place. Jeb ‘08! Republics love a name they can trust…or at least spell.
raven @ 184
*spew alert*
Judy tipping off Muslim front organizations who support terroists? Bahahaha! What ever happened to the Judy who was so concerned about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the hero of the right who could not be bothered to confirm what her one source said.
Why would Judy turn on America like this? I wonder if the NY Times will grace us plebians with an answer.
Badwater @ 204
that would be the only chance jeb would ever get becoming president and this scenario makes the most sense…good on ya
the problem is, jeb could probably not get approved by congress…tons of baggage and he might not even be willing to submit to the questioning that will surely follow the nomination
Way OT, but of interest…
In the runup to an election, I routinely check in with FactCheck.org to see whether claims by candidates are even remotely accurate. In an announcement on their website, is the following:
“The St. Petersburg Times of Florida and Congressional Quarterly of Washington, D.C. announced a new Web site called PolitiFact.com.”
[snip]
“The new site does something we [FactCheck.org] don’t. It offers a “truth-o-meter” that rates statements by the 2008 presidential candidates on a scale from “true” through “half true” to “pants on fire.”
It’s pretty interesting, some of the writing is humorous. Check it out…might be fun to watch during this election season.
OT, but related to the CIA in a way – Larry Johnson has put together a great list of questions for Petraeus.
bobschacht @ 162
Me too. My memory is in here with SDS and Tom Hayden. I dressed differently then – lots of paisley. Oh, and very long thick hair blowing in the wind.
perris @ 207
It plays with the Bushies that they are the royal family of the United States.
Maybe Cheeney is running the bus over Bush. In the event of a terra strike, Shooter can tar Bush with it – say he’s tired of babysitting and its time for a real republican he-man to step in and handle things. Then, the republican nominee can ride in on Cheney’s glorious protectin the homeland for real this time coat tails, instead of having to distance himself from Bush. Its a better scenario for the R Party.
Brisingamen @ 186
I disagree. Since an appointed VP would have to clear both the House and Senate, I do not think the candidates of either party would hold still for giving a leg up to a competitor. More likely it would be a “senior statesman” type along the lines of an Alan Simpson or so.
Diane @ 209
Linky?
Diane @ 209
Hmm.. does that mean the general actually gets to read the report they wrote for him?
bobschacht @ 162
Bob, we’re the same vintage. I was a freshman in college in ‘62 as well. [Totters off into desert.]
IIRC, it came out during the Church Committee hearings that the CIA had made a practice of recruiting and/or compromising journalists in order to gain favorable coverage and sympathetic voices; it seems strongly implied by Judy’s behavior that something similar may be going on here, only with the Iraq group and the VP’s office, not the CIA. Judy looks to me like a covert propaganda asset.
And not even all that covert.
Here is the link to Larry Johnson
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2…../#more-818
Judith Miller at the Manhattan Institute now?Hmmm. Name is similar to the Manhattan Project (where nuclear bomb developed in WWII). William Krystol on the board? Hmmm. It seems this Isr*el front group also is promoting idea of Iran threat and need to bomb.
http://article.nationalreview……UzYWRmYzA=
Diane @ 218
Thank you, you are a goddess…of the moon, that is.
Bob Hi and Mauimom — and you’ve got the gall to call yourselves Firepups?
retirin’ in five @ 221
that works out OK in blog years
dakine01 @ 212
Umm, not Alan Simpson, thank goodness. Prez and VP can’t be from the same state.
Now, if the Dems had only taken that one to court and fought it in 2000, the last six and a half years would have been even more interesting (and, maybe, not quite so tragic).
JF @ 184
My husband went to Ohio State, so we “watched the Michigan game with interest.”
Apparently hundreds of people “friended” the ASU quarterback on Facebook, all of them from Ohio. And one of the folks who produces ASU t-shirts has sold out again and again, continues to print more.
Sorry, Marcy. Do you want me to root for the Packers on your behalf? Got no problem with that. [I’m REALLY excited about football beginning tonight too.]
johnSwifty – wow, thanks; as a matter of fact I am moonchild (Cancer).
retirin’ in five @ 221
Ooh, didn’t your parents teach ya to respect your elders…!!! ;-)
mc @ 203
Hilarious. These guys could fuck up a wet dream.
Mauimom @ 224
Let’s get this straight. PRO football starts tonite! Go Dawgs!
“But this isn’t even high quality slime, in fact it’s silly sounding slime.”
None of their slime is high quality. It’s all very juvenile. Maybe that’s why so many of us feel like our heads are spinning. It’s tough to go back and try to think like a thirteen year old.
This is the VP of the Muslim outreach group. This is the controversial figure they supposedly didn’t want Gonzo to associate with:
http://www.isna.net/about/prof…..d_Ali.html
This is an article by Isikoff that describes more on what the American Spectator article is talking about:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20…../newsweek/
Somewhat OT, but germane:This is why I think Jeb Bush won’t be President.
from wiki:
Orlando Bosch (also known as Orlando Bosch Avila) is a Cuban exile and former CIA-backed criminal, head of…”an anti-Castro terrorist umbrella organization.”[1] Attorney General Dick Thornburgh called Bosch an “unrepentant terrorist.”[2] He has been accused of taking part in Operation Condor and several other terrorist attacks, including the October 6, 1976 bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner in which all 73 people on board were killed… The bombing is alleged to have been plotted at a 1976 meeting in Washington, D.C. attended by Bosch, Luis Posada Carriles, and DINA agent Michael Townley. At the same meeting, the assassination of Chilean former minister Orlando Letelier was also plotted…
Bosch was pardoned of all American charges by President George H.W. Bush on July 18, 1990 at the request of his son Jeb Bush, who later became Governor of Florida; this pardon was despite objections by the then-President’s own defense department, that Bosch was one of the most deadly terrorists working “within the hemisphere.” [3] “Although many countries seek Bosch’s extradition he remains free in the United States. The political pressure to grant Bosch a pardon was begun during the congressional campaign run by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, herself a Cuban American, and overseen by her campaign manager Jeb Bush.
CTuttle @ 226
Just kidding. They’re not too far into elderhood from my vantage point. Besides, my better half is their age. Yes, I had the wisdom and good sense to marry an older woman. As Raven said earlier — never looked back.
This is the Muslim outreach group whose event was cancelled:
http://www.isna.net/clear.gif
Drive By From Al Da Spook:
We’ve all been worried about the Colony Collapse Disorder affecting U.S. honeybee populations. Well, a genetics team using the newly sequenced bee genome has found a likely culprit, namely a bee virus found about two years ago in Israel which has also been found in Australia, from which hives were imported to the US shortly before the CCD began appearing here. Curiously, the virus does not appear to cause CCD in Australia or Israel, so some other factor is at work as well. But it is clear progress, even though it does not immediately lead to a cure; for example, colonies can be tested for the virus and isolated if they test positive, thus hopefully stopping the spread and protecting remaining hive assets.
The BBC has the story here.
The University of Oregon Fighting Ducks take on Michigan in Ann Arbor on saturday—I imagine that Michigan will be in a bad mood. Hope they STAY in a bad mood after the game.
CTuttle @ 226
We can’t hear you . . . .
Since I do rescue, I calculate my age in dog years. . . or dog hair.
rwcole @ 235
I suspect there will be more than a few ASU T-shirts on display!
althespook @ 234
ah yes: the Bee(b)
tejanarusa @ 136
Ok, the trivia question for today is does anyone remember what SDS stands for? If you get that one then for sure you know what SNCC (Snik) stands for
raven @ 164
Nope. Should I? If so, there are about 6 other books it will have to shove off the reading stand onto the floor.
Bob in HI
punaise @ 238
They always have the latest buzz.
RonD @ 231
And Jeb becomes Governor, thus securing Florida for his brother in 2000.
MayDaze @ 227
That is so funny. AEI must have given the Bushies the dates.
punaise @ 238
One report said Aussie bee imports may have been carriers for the virus (they’re immune, apparently). Let’s blame Australia!
RonD @ 231
Noooooooo!!!!!
karnak12 @ 238
Too easy. Students for a Democratic Society
And, Students’ Non-Violence Coordinating Committee.
SDS
Students for a Democratic Society
karnak12 @ 238
Students for a Democratic Society. But I’m not contemporaneous with that ;-)
karnak12 @ 239
Students for a Democratic Society
Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee
How’d I do?
montag @ 222:
Simpson could replace Cheney as VP if Cheney were to resign. The same state law would only come into play if Cheney were to become President.
But I was only using Simpson as an example of the “type” that could most likely be approved by both houses to serve as VP in a corrupt administration. Unlike the days of Nixon and Gerry Ford, there are few choices available who could actually and easily win confirmation.
Lotsa geezers answering the quiz. Damn !! It was great to be young in the sixties !!
JF @ 183
Me, three! Don’t worry, the Wolverines will do well in the Big 10, though I don’t know that they can get to the Rose Bowl. The Defense worries me a bit. But I have a lot to learn about this year’s team. There’s another FDL person over on Facebook who knows a lot more than I do.
Go Blue!
Bob in HI
Michigan ‘73
retirin’ in five @ 251
The seventies had their share of fun too. A two time Heisman winner for Ohio State…
RonD @ 231
Even more to the point: he’s Shrub’s brother and nobody with any sense (which excludes most of Congress, I know) would back it. The stink coming off Shrub makes anyone in that family almost automatically a non-starter.
retirin’ in five @ 232
I married an older woman, myself, she was born in ‘62, tho!!! ;-)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/n…..suit_x.htm
“U.S. law allows victims of overseas terrorist groups to sue American organizations that finance them. The Boims maintain Islamic charities have been raising money for guns and explosives in this country while using charity as a cover.
Boim attorneys said they hoped the verdict and other cases being filed under the law would help to choke off the flow of money to terrorist groups in the Mideast.
The government already had frozen the assets of Holy Land, Quranic Literacy and Salah. Salah and Holy Land are currently under federal indictment on charges of stemming from their alleged support of Hamas.
There is little likelihood that the Boims will collect the full $156 million. Not only are the assets of three defendants frozen by the government, but federal prosecutors are asking the court in Texas to order Holy Land to forfeit its assets.
“If there’s any money there, we’ll get it,” Landes said.
Lawyers for Holy Land, Islamic Association for Palestine and Salah boycotted the trial. Veteran Chicago defense attorney John Beal, representing Quranic Literacy, was ordered to be on hand but declined to address the jury or cross-examine witnesses. He maintained that Keys didn’t give his group enough time to mount a defense.
Holy Land attorney James Fennerty and Salah attorney Matthew Piers did not return telephone calls seeking comment.”
Chicago.
egregious @ 241
Oooh, I love it when you all wax eloquent.
LOL You guys cheat. You’re paying too close attention
Get Tough @ 242
Now THERE’S some tinfoil hat material baby! Whooo Hoooo. Keep ‘em cummin’. What about Marvin Bush, any flies on him?
mc @ 257
hive scene better days.
New swopa upstairs – Realizing there’s a war on…
P J Evans @ 254
oh I dunno… we could always go for a dynasty
George W Bush 43 2001-2008
Jeb Bush 44 2009-2016
Jonathan Bush 45 2017-2024
George P Bush 46 2025-2032
Jenna Bush 47 2033-2040
Brisingamen @ 186
The Dems will never go for that.
1. I used to think that the most likely pick for new VP would be John McCain– which I deduced from observing how often McCain has been kissing up to Bush for the past 2 years. But since he’s become an active candidate, I don’t think the Dems would buy it.
2. The stealth candidate might be Joe Lieberman, but the Republican base probably would object.
3. The best choice (least offensive to all parties) would probably be Sen. John Warner. He’s a perfect fit for Jerry Ford’s old threads.
Bob in HI
punaise @ 260
I think it is time to comb through comments in another thread :)
post pill
pre aids
it was grand…
LHP–
This is for when you come back from your root canal work. (I hope it all went well, and painlessly!)
When I hear the words “Holy Land” and anyone from the Bush administration aligned in the same paragraph, the name that comes to my mind is Elliot Abrams, the convicted felon of Iran Contra fame. I’ll bet he’s the one they’re trying to hide. But I have no evidence other than that I’ve heard that he’s heavily involved in the administration’s policies regarding Israel (A.K.A. the Holy Land!)
So far, he’s proven very adept at keeping his name out of any news involving scandals. And isn’t he about the only one?
Bob in HI
A lost manuscript by J. D. Salinger.
Oh so true. This is just like a work of fiction, except the names have not been changed to protect the GUILTY.
karnak12 @ 238
‘UMAS not let the SDS BSU.’
If Cheney resigns, it would be Condi – Pickles wants her to run for president.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 264
will the pollen ease ya?
I’m always throwing out conjectures on this site that turn out to be wrong, but this time I think I’m really on to something. Gonzo announced his resignation when he did because he knew that THE DAILY SHOW AND THE COLBERT REPORT WOULD BE ON VACATION FOR TWO WHOLE WEEKS. Watch for other bombshells the next time these guys start their vacations, and it may even be true of past ones, as well.
Get Tough @ 242
The Miami Cubans view Bosch as a Freedom fighter. Carriles is another one.
Miami Cuban hardliners against Castro have a special alliance and an unwritten agreement with the Republican Party. To Wit: Republicans maintain the blockade against Cuba (thus bestowing Asylum Seeker status to any Cuban refugee who gets a dry foot on American soil) and Miami Cubans will vote Republican.
Jim Clausen @ 9
I got the first Marcy! Forget Fitz , the reads TNH.
Jim Clausen @ 273
Forget Fitz? Never. He is my hero.
julierb @ 271
I’ve noticed that for a long time too.
Thanks for that Newsweek link, LS @ 230. This seems to be the “earlier in August” report that the A.S. article references and which the White House is supposedly pretending to claim Fitzgerald is a source for – to Isikoff and Hosenball of all people – although there’s not much, if any, insider gossip involved that doesn’t come straight from Main Justice… – this story apparently only appeared in the on-line version of Newsweek:
Http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20…..ek/page/0/
The backstory here all seems to revolve around a trial on-going as of 8/8/07 in Dallas, and to an internal disagreement between DOJ’s civil rights division and the criminal division’s counter-terrorism section (which may still be percolating). Is this Dallas prosecution an off-shoot of Fitzgerald’s Holy Land work in New York and Chicago, or did the A.S. propaganda outfit simply throw Fitzgerald’s name into the mix of this situation and the departure of Gonzales for the heck of it?
pow wow here is an article in the Dallas Morning News from yesterday
Hugh @ 84
I believe you are right about the plethora of possibilities that Gonzales was involved in that might of been the impetus of his speedy exit….
Also the timing makes sense (in August)…
But there has to be something more that has not been revealed regarding the specific date, it was really abrupt…
Could be the Bush administration is in such a state of turmoil that it was handled in such a manner…
Or than more than likely something else….
Stay tuned and pass the popcorn….
Chess game, yeah. Bressingamen (in #187) said it feels like a chess game, but we don’t know who’s moving the pieces. And have y’all forgotten Rumsfeld? That was the weirdest resignation (and timing) of all. They tried to make it look like it was in response to the will of the people in the ‘06 elections (which is howlingly funny, when you think about it), but we soon found out that there would be no change of policy in Iraq–more “surge,” more billions to war profiteers, nothing changed. And, furthermore, “impeachment is off the table.” (WHAT table, Nancy?)
Libby gone.
Rumsfeld gone.
Rove gone.
Gonzales gone.
Bishop.
Queen.
Knight.
Knight.
Somebody’s picking them off, one by one.
I’m gonna add a piece to this chess set–The Fool–Junior–the one the Bush Cartel is trying to keep out of jail (or from utter disgrace). Cheney is the King, and he is in a very bad spot, about to be checkmated. Rumsfeld was the Queen–the most powerful, the most maneuverable piece, the guiltiest of the dirtiest operational parts of the junta–for instance, using torture for profit, and for coverups of other crimes, illicit arms dealings, “losing” billions of dollars in Iraq, blacks ops like Nick Berg’s beheading, and whatever they were up to that really prompted the Plame outings, and likely LIHOP on 9/11 itself. (Remember Rumsfeld was AWOL during the critical hour–later said he was “in a meeting”–and had pulled all NORAD decisions into his own hands six months prior to 9/11). And all of this was possible–and made so easy–with DoD “war time” secrecy cover.
They tried to tag Rove with the Plame outing. But Fitz (White Queen?) didn’t let them get away with that, and Rove hightailed it to the GJ to head it off. That’s when things started falling apart for Black. Timeframe: Katrina. Big split in the defense. Fight between Rove (knight) and Libby (bishop). Rove wins, and tries to set himself up as the only protector of The Fool. Then, big fight between Rove (knight) and Cheney (king). Cheney wins, but only temporarily. He is cornered. No protection, except from a few limited pieces (bishop, rook, pawns).
He leaks Gonzo’s connection to the terrorist groups, and attributes it to Fitz to give it credibility. The leak is intended to start making a case for Gonzo as the real evildoer. Remember, Gonzo, as WH counsel, gave the Plame perps a 12 hour heads up to burn harddrives and shred documents. (I’ve often thought that this was the matter of “Sealed v. Sealed”–Fitz had Gonzo as a perp, to fend off Gonzo interference when he became AG, in the Plame investigation and Libby trial.) It was very similar to what Judith Miller did for the Holy Land Foundation–called them up to alert them to a Fitz subpoena that was about to arrive.
I think it is likely that Gonzo was the one who told Miller of the Holy Land subpoena, and that it could have been a Cheney set up of Gonzo–to deflect CHENEY’s connections to the same organizations, and possibly Rumfeld’s. (Cheney and Rumsfeld are old pals.) And I would suspect that Rumsfeld is the dirtiest of the three–directly sponsoring terrorism, with the others benefiting.
On Plame, I suspect that Rumsfeld designed the Niger/Iraq nuke forgery plot, and that part 2 was to have been planting of the nukes on Iraqi soil, after the invasion. (Miller claimed she had an “embed” contract signed by Rumsfeld, to accompany the U.S. troops who were “hunting” for the WMDs. She would have been on the spot to get that “scoop.”) The plot was foiled. Plame, Brewster-Jennings (the entire covert network), and possibly also David Kelly (UK/UN weapons expert, friend of Miller’s, found dead in highly suspicious circumstances, four days after Plame was outed), were thought to be responsible for foiling this nefarious scheme. Some were outed; some killed; all disabled. So many “eyes and ears” on WMDs removed!
I think this was Rumsfeld’s baby. He was the mastermind and the operational end of it. Cheney, Libby, Rove and others were the political end–getting the Niger/Iraq nuke forgeries into Bush’s SOU speech, and generally “selling it,” and then, later, doing the political damage control.
I don’t know who is moving or capturing these pieces, but I think Rumsfeld (the powerful Queen) was the key event. Rumsfeld’s resigination slipped MUCH TOO QUICKLY under the radar. Much, MUCH too quickly. It was the pivotal event. And it was masked by the election. And it had nothing to do with the election–unless you think fooling the American people for two months (from Rumsfeld’s resignation to the re-funding of the war by the Democrats) was worth the trouble.
No, I think somebody got the goods on Rumsfeld (and the possibilities are many as to what “the goods” are–including the AIPAC case–both operatives were DoD). But he wouldn’t budge. He said, “Indict me! See how far you get!” (or, see how long you live?) But the election did give Pelosi (and others) some maneuvering room. I think she told Bush “no impeachment” for the principles (him and Cheney)–a dignified end to the regime–and refunding the Iraq War, in exchange for no attack on Iran, and getting rid of Rumsfeld. Cheney went for it in the hope that he could still force the Iraqis to sign over their oil rights.
Then, the chess master went after Rove and Gonzales.
I can’t see this as Cheney isolating Bush, because of the Rumsfeld resignation, which isolated Cheney. His old pal in heavy dirt is gone, along with their plan to attack Iran. (The country and the world are not ready for it, and I think the War Democrats know this–if they are going to do it anyway, much more prep is needed, including a military Draft.) (Also, the U.S. military opposes it, and those guys are plenty pissed, along with the “white hat” CIA.)
Conclusion: Cheney is being taken down. He has almost no defense left, and he is about to be checkmated. What he is doing now is trying to deflect guilt onto others, maybe even onto The Fool. But neither of them will see jail time. The “military-industrial complex” and global corporate predators who are running things need to protect themselves from such a disgrace. Good guys like Fitz and other heroes have their own motives. But the Corporate Rulers do things for PROFIT. Profit is their God. They have got to get a profit-minded Democrat in the White House, and avoid a leftist revolution.
I think the Rove/DoJ thing was a last-minute and desperate “surge” of criminal political activity, to shore up a failing regime, which was threatening to expose PREVIOUS criminal political activity–primarily, the theft of the 2004 election via Diebold/ES&S machines (with “smoking guns” in the Rove RNC emails); also, domestic spying. Rove and Gonzo were easily gotten on these items. I suspect that whoever is moving and capturing pieces in this chess game KNOWS about the 2004 stolen election, but is loathe to expose the U.S. government to such naked illegitimacy. Diebold/ES&S are also, meanwhile, being discredited (although the political establishment and corporate predators want to keep some control over election outcomes, so they are trying to retain the “trade secret” programming code in the vote counting system, without being so obvious about it–as with the paperless touchscreen machines).
(Clue: Colonel “Stinky” Rove in the West Wing with the “trade secret” code.)
I think the Bush Junta is over. Damage control is what is happening. And–aside from the trigger finger possibilities (which are scary)–we should be more worried about the NEXT president than about this one.
I think Cheney will resign. Game over.
And what of The Fool–a wildcard on the gameboard, a slippy-slidey piece, who crosses over the lines with impunity, and sneakily changes squares when no one is looking. We may find that “it’s all been Cheney’s fault.” The “virtuous” Fool will serve out the term, and grant pardons all around. He will in any case be neutralized, if not captured.
There is one Republican the Junta could appoint as VP, get approved by Congress, and have a good chance at winning the 2008 election, and that is Patrick Fitzgerald. He’s the dream candidate for the Republicans. Non-political. Non-partisan. Untainted. A rock solid honest sheriff. He could redeem the Republican Party. And frankly I would vote for him over Hillary Clinton–even with all my Democratic ancestors rolling in their graves and issuing anathemas against such a traitorous act as voting for a Republican. I never have done it, in 40 years of voting. But I am sick unto death of Democratic Party collusion with these traitors and criminals. Fitz would probably hate this idea (and laugh at it), which is why he should be president. All the rest of them are running for emperor. He would be running, reluctantly, as the servant of the people. Gore also has this quality. It’s the founding notion of our democracy, that the president is a mere human and not a king. It’s time we got back to that.
LHP – I don’t know if you will come back here, but I have a thought: Could it be that in the same way the we are supporting BOTH the Sunni’s and Shiites in Iraq, that we are supporting both sides of the ME mess, i.e. Isr*el and Saudi Arabia (home to Wuhabi’s as well as Bin Ladin’s supporters). Why would we do that you ask? So that we can sell arms to both sides, and various materials of war.
Holy Land Foundation front for Mossad?
Or as Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neil stated in Ron Susskinds book the “Price of Loyalty” that when he started to dig into the Saudi Arabia connection with 9/11 and tracking $$$$ into Muslim charities etc. The Bush administration shut Paul O’Neils efforts down. Follow the money….
bobschacht @ 266
Interesting ideas
Bay State Librul @ 197
some folks may eat their words that the “sealed vs. sealed” has nothing to do with Fitz investigations.
things come undone @ 206
Just who was Judy working for anyway? We may find out if and when the A*P*C espionage trial takes place. Justin Raimando has recently stated that the trial has been delayed until Jan 2008. The MSM never mentions this trial or investigation. No Israeli lobby here
LS @ 62
In the book “The Price of Loyalty” Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’neil sure indicated that he was slammed when he started investigating these links and funds
selise @ 105
Still investigating
Thanks for that link, blue e @ 277! The government rested its case last week. This Holy Land group apparently has a long and disputed history of (millions of dollars of) donations to the Palestinians. Don’t know if this prosecution is directly drawn from work done by Fitzgerald and his investigators in 2001, or not (Holy Land is based in Texas, and it was to Texas that Miller apparently telephoned on 12/3/01 to give the heads-up about the imminent search):
If this Texas trial is connected to the 2001 searches, it appears that any links with Al Qaeda that were being investigated when Miller and Shenon made their calls (Shenon’s was to the Global Relief Fund based in Illinois) were not charged here; links to Hamas seem to be what the government’s case is based upon.
Http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01207.html
Appeals to both the full 2nd Circuit and to the Supreme Court by the New York Times failed, as of, I think, very late November, 2006.
Akin Gump…Akin Gump…why does that sound familiar? Oh yeah:
Yet another tangle in the skein of yarn?
Very sorry…here’s a link re my previous post, about Akin Gump and the Goodling connection:
http://www.abovethelaw.com/200…..ms_app.php
Amilius @ 109
I think Senor Cui Bono would agree.
Dick has an interest in revealing terribly damaging information as quickly as possible. If the evidence against Dubya builds up faster than the evidence against Dick, then Dubya goes out and Dick goes up to the Oval office.
But probably, if Dubya stays Dick goes first.
Isn’t it cute to see them playing together at last. Each one kicking the other in the ass. Hee hee.
Heres a summary of Miller’s call to HLF and Fitz’s investigation in Dec. 2001
second paragraph
I found this interesting:
The 9/11 Commission will later conclude that in addition to the above cases, “press leaks plagued almost every [raid on Muslim charities] that took place in the United States” after 9/11. [Washington Post, 9/10/2004]
Rayne @ 139
I think we need a new political group called the Neo-Lebowskis who base their political philosophy on Matrix and The Big Lebowski bits.
kdh22 @ 154
Just ask Bandar Lieberman. It’s a very chummy group, despite all the appearances of fighting and bloodshed all around.
Peace Patriot @ 279
Have you ever tried to tear a piece of silk? It’s not so easy. Start at a weak spot on the edge and begin tearing there. The tear usually goes in a straight line, but not always. It follows the weakest line. Linea minora
Ever tried to smash a diamond? It’s not so easy. First you have to find the weak spot (as can be done by fine jewelers) and use just the right tool. One false step and it shatters into dust. The proper aim and it shatters into beautiful littler diamonds.
Know why Hillary and Obama turned on each other? Hmmm? They’re like Bush & Cheney in many ways.
emptywheels Judy’s Call Data Versus My Call Data after Circut Court Desision last year
Here is something I don’t recall
Mueller takes over as FBI director on September 4, 2001.
But months before when his name is floated as a replacement for FBI director he is critized for Justice’s BBCI investigation ‘90-93 in the Wall Street Journal
Peace Patriot @ 279
How can I make sure that I have a permanent copy of this comment by Peace Patriot?
Richmond @ 280
Oil
Morning loosehead :)
You could copy it and paste it into an email to yourself.