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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-949127</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948074&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;james @ 180&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-947967&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Redshift @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Hope you enjoy your defeatism; the rest of us have a country to change!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s flippant, unfeeling remarks like this one that just about kept me from coming back to this site.&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
What did you do during Vietnam?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are different attitudes about remarks like that. Sometimes people here just hug away and offer help and at other times we’re weary of negative remarks, many coming from trolls, so we respond more aggressively. It’s tough to be positive ALL the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Vietnam…Let’s see, it occurred during my youth and troop involvement ended just as I was about to graduate from high school. My brother missed it because of eyesight, but I was never drafted. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My view of Vietnam was very second-hand and distant. However, I’ve read a bit about it since and have discovered it’s still a mangled tortured mess of a story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948074"><em>james @ 180</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-947967"><em>Redshift @ 107</em></a></p>
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<p>Hope you enjoy your defeatism; the rest of us have a country to change!</p>
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<p>It’s flippant, unfeeling remarks like this one that just about kept me from coming back to this site.<br />
…<br />
What did you do during Vietnam?</p>
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<p>There are different attitudes about remarks like that. Sometimes people here just hug away and offer help and at other times we’re weary of negative remarks, many coming from trolls, so we respond more aggressively. It’s tough to be positive ALL the time.</p>
<p>Vietnam…Let’s see, it occurred during my youth and troop involvement ended just as I was about to graduate from high school. My brother missed it because of eyesight, but I was never drafted. </p>
<p>My view of Vietnam was very second-hand and distant. However, I’ve read a bit about it since and have discovered it’s still a mangled tortured mess of a story.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-949118</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-947932&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 74&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-947912&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 54&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wow.  Looks like we are two donations short of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08&quot;&gt;160&lt;/a&gt; single donations Jane wanted yesterday for Jim Himes.  WTG!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am actually pretty concerned about Harold Ford’s challenge to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08&quot;&gt;Steve Cohen TN-09 (Map&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I took a look at the list of candidates and it’s not really a long list. But, the candidates look terrific. Why, I wonder, do some of them have quite a lot of contributions and some others have very little? I know some districts are more expensive to run in and it depends a lot upon who the opponent is, but these guys should have solid campaign funds to have a real show of our support.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-947932"><em>mui @ 74</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-947912"><em>ccmask @ 54</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Wow.  Looks like we are two donations short of the <a href="http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08">160</a> single donations Jane wanted yesterday for Jim Himes.  WTG!</p>
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<p>I am actually pretty concerned about Harold Ford’s challenge to <a href="http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08">Steve Cohen TN-09 (Map</a>).</p>
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<p>I took a look at the list of candidates and it’s not really a long list. But, the candidates look terrific. Why, I wonder, do some of them have quite a lot of contributions and some others have very little? I know some districts are more expensive to run in and it depends a lot upon who the opponent is, but these guys should have solid campaign funds to have a real show of our support.</p>
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		<title>By: tryggth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948592</link>
		<dc:creator>tryggth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Distinctions only a mobbed-up org can appreciate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Put aside for the moment why the mob is dead (my theory is that they couldn’t compete) but think about what happened when the corporation became the replacement org. Not everywhere. But had the capability to suck out all the excess cash. Not spending it on hookers  because Cinemax satisfies 90%. Not that there is anything wrong with that… but man, had to have an impact on revenue streams.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So on the numbers…&lt;br /&gt;
Political porn. All eyes on the arguments. Doesn’t matter though, does it? All that Jrs. cherished historians will remember is the actual events. The deaths. The bombings. Who told who to do what. The length of the engagement. All the noise/story ends up meaning nothing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distinctions only a mobbed-up org can appreciate.</p>
<p>Put aside for the moment why the mob is dead (my theory is that they couldn’t compete) but think about what happened when the corporation became the replacement org. Not everywhere. But had the capability to suck out all the excess cash. Not spending it on hookers  because Cinemax satisfies 90%. Not that there is anything wrong with that… but man, had to have an impact on revenue streams.</p>
<p>So on the numbers…<br />
Political porn. All eyes on the arguments. Doesn’t matter though, does it? All that Jrs. cherished historians will remember is the actual events. The deaths. The bombings. Who told who to do what. The length of the engagement. All the noise/story ends up meaning nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948166</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i sent n=1 an email that people were concerned………&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i sent n=1 an email that people were concerned………</p>
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		<title>By: Waccamaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948142</link>
		<dc:creator>Waccamaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wrt N=1 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t keep up with every thread but wasn’t it she who was having trouble with really nasty commenters on her blog and talking about cutting back visibility at the Lake in hopes of reducing their tracking her footprint?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrt N=1 -</p>
<p>I don’t keep up with every thread but wasn’t it she who was having trouble with really nasty commenters on her blog and talking about cutting back visibility at the Lake in hopes of reducing their tracking her footprint?</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948141</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;jonathan at 160&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i was out of town, did i miss something about n=1???????????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what happened????????&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonathan at 160</p>
<p>i was out of town, did i miss something about n=1???????????</p>
<p>what happened????????</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948135</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948119&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 187&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Selise, I didn’t get the sense that James was leaving, only that he was offering to speak with Jonathan about stress and despair offblog.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i thought so too… but wanted to respond to this bit of his comment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s flippant, unfeeling remarks like this one that just about kept me from coming back to this site.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948119"><em>egregious @ 187</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Selise, I didn’t get the sense that James was leaving, only that he was offering to speak with Jonathan about stress and despair offblog.</p>
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<p>i thought so too… but wanted to respond to this bit of his comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s flippant, unfeeling remarks like this one that just about kept me from coming back to this site.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948131</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;quaker girl 152-”I can tell you. Last week I was reprimanded by my daughter for bringing Molly Ann’s stuff chewie toy, Bushie. His stuffings are almost all out, he’s much thinner and is really beat-up. Her new inlaws-to-be were also coming over and they LOVE, did you get that, L O V E Bush. He walks on water.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i know i’m epu’d but just had to say=======RUN RUN RUN!!!!!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;from experience, just sayin’…………..really, run away run away run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay…………..monty python coconuts clompin’……..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i spent a few years in that time zone, it led to a breakdown…….went from my family of democrats to his of bushies, no compute…..i melted………..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quaker girl 152-”I can tell you. Last week I was reprimanded by my daughter for bringing Molly Ann’s stuff chewie toy, Bushie. His stuffings are almost all out, he’s much thinner and is really beat-up. Her new inlaws-to-be were also coming over and they LOVE, did you get that, L O V E Bush. He walks on water.”</p>
<p>i know i’m epu’d but just had to say=======RUN RUN RUN!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>from experience, just sayin’…………..really, run away run away run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay…………..monty python coconuts clompin’……..</p>
<p>i spent a few years in that time zone, it led to a breakdown…….went from my family of democrats to his of bushies, no compute…..i melted………..</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948119</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise, I didn’t get the sense that James was leaving, only that he was offering to speak with Jonathan about stress and despair offblog.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise, I didn’t get the sense that James was leaving, only that he was offering to speak with Jonathan about stress and despair offblog.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lurking Mod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/deliberate-lies-and-manipulations/#comment-948103</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lurking Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the record:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;N=1 commented most recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/more-fun-with-medical-bills/#comment-942942&quot;&gt;on health care issues&lt;/a&gt; only two days ago and is welcome to speak here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record:</p>
<p>N=1 commented most recently <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/more-fun-with-medical-bills/#comment-942942">on health care issues</a> only two days ago and is welcome to speak here.</p>
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