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I’m on vacation for a couple of weeks but wanted to share some thoughts on the latest corporate efforts to depersonalize, isolate and turn even white-collar workers into cogs in the machine.
One of the stale arguments against unions regurgitated by anti-worker organizations is that today’s white-collar employees no longer need the benefits of unionization because conditions at their workplaces are so different from the industrial shop floor.
Not so.
As Simon Head writes in a recent issue of The New York Review of Books (cost involved for the full article), where he overviews recent publications on the effects of the digital revolution at the workplace:
…the findings of the three books under review here, along with much recent research, suggest that methods of production based on top-down standardization and tight control of work are as influential in the digital economy as they were in the industrial economy. Drawing upon the virtually unlimited powers of computers to monitor the activities of employees and their use of information, these methods have simply been readapted for the white-collar workplace.
Head, a senior fellow at the Rothermere American Institute at Oxford, says for proof of these assertions, we only have to look as far as the nearest Wal-Mart, which “has demonstrated the effectiveness of applying industrial principles to the retail economy.”
It does so by combining an intensive use of information technology, a rapid growth of employee productivity and a harsh, often punitive work regime that keeps even the most productive workers off balance and their wages at poverty levels.
Further, the Wal-Mart approach is being driven by technologies known as “enterprise systems,” or ES, which bring together computer hardware and software to standardize and then monitor the entire range of tasks done by a company’s workforce. Head reviews Richard Sennett’s The Culture of the New Capitalism, which describes the widespread use of enterprise systems—well beyond the retail world—and how ES has given top managers much greater latitude to direct and control corporate workforces, while at the same time making the jobs of wage workers and professionals more rigid and bleak. Here, Head highlights an example from the book:
At call center companies such as AmTech and TeleTech, call center companies to whom many corporations outsource their “customer relations management,” agents must follow a script displayed on their computer screens, spelling out the exact conversation, word for word, they must follow in their dealings with customers. Monitoring devices track every fact of their work: minutes spent per call, minutes spent going to the bathroom. At the same time managers can speed up or reconfigure this digital assembly line simply by throwing a switch and reprogramming the software—specifying less time per call and between calls—much as Henry Ford controlled the line at his Detroit plants in the 1920s.
In fact, just as the enterprise system was introduced at the turn of this century, so “Taylorism” was rolled out at the turn of the 20th century as a break-through method of controlling workers. In 1911, Frederick Taylor’s The Principles of Scientific Management became the corporate bible, introducing a massive shift in workplace production, the most revolutionary of which standardized “task allocation.” That is, breaking one task into smaller and smaller tasks. Taylorism created efficiency—and isolated workers from participation in the creation of a whole product. Taylorism’s hierarchical system furthered the move toward workers’ role as “cogs in a machine” and centralized control at the top.
Taylorism was not a passing phase, and neither should any of us presume enterprise systems will remain limited to call center and retail workers. In discussing author Barbara Ehrenreich’s latest book, Bait and Switch: The (Futile) Pursuit of the American Dream, in which she pretends to be an ex-manager seeking a job, Head notes that at no point did the “career coaches” Ehrenreich consulted try to assess her abilities by finding out how she would deal with actual problems. Useless as measures of ability and experience, these tests instead are reliable indicators of those who are “cheerful, enthusiastic and obedient.” Although Head notes that Ehrenreich seems puzzled why the “transition industry” and “by implication, corporate America itself is so little interested in the skills of its workforce,” he finds the reason pretty clear.
…for corporate managers, the attraction of white-collar industrialization is that it adds to the productivity of workers without adding to their skills or their earning power. From a management perspective it is the best of all possible worlds, allowing companies such as Wal-Mart to improve their profit margins while keeping labor costs low. Too often, it is intelligent and valuable employees who pay the price for these changes; they lead increasingly insecure and anxious professional lives that no longer provide a reliable flow of income and benefits.
That’s one reason the slogan, “Danger: Educated Union Member” makes a lot of sense. And why unionization at 21st century workplaces makes the most sense of all.
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zED
Single digits! Hi, Tula.
Frequently, bad management is what organizes a union….if it’s allowed.
micromanagement=EVIL
Wal-Mart’s “effectiveness”? Yeah, but at what cost?
Mrs. Tarquin Biscuitbarrel @ 5
The high cost of low price.
Sorry for the very early OT, but I just saw this on Net Neutrality at MSNBC.com :
Justice Dept. against ‘Net neutrality’
This is being couched in terms if “regulating” the internet. There is even a descussion link: “Do you think the government should regulate the Internet?”
pardon the nit but the title is reading mirco instead of micro managed.
what’s this “no longer need the benefits of unionizaition” crap?
laborers MUST have the ability to bargain for the proper value of their product
a company doesn’t get to set the price of the product it purchases, the provider sets that price…the corporation can bargain for a better deal but the provider sets the price
plain and simple stuff here
the provider of labor sets the price, the company bargains to get a better deal
so they want to take free this priniciple away from the laborer
it’s a rediculous point of view but the proper framing of the discussion is very important
perris @ 9
It may be ridiculous, but it’s a common view point. They tried to put together a union here, for tech workers who kind of fall thru the cracks and aren’t members of any of the other unions here… “we” voted it down (I didn’t, but obviously I was outvoted)… these are people working in technical computer/IT related jobs…
OT but important:
Thanks for this, Tula; Head’s article was a GREAT read, and for once my non-reader spouse actually picked up and read my NYRB because of that article.
You see, his company specializes in automation for the plant floor. Ouch.
If any of you are interested in reading the full version, let me know and I’ll email you a copy of that article. Most excellent. I think many people who do not work in either manufacturing or in service industries don’t realize how much has changed in 20-25 years, and how dehumanized any form of repetitive work has become.
My experience in the workplace is Enterprise Solutions are Taylorism. The user is just a cog in the wheel, so to speak. Talk about a boring day!
Any work that is not senior management needs a union. The idea that if you have a computer on your desk you don’t need a union is a bamboozle corporate senior management ploy. Just ask the Administrative Assistant.
peanutbutter @ 10
One of the problems with organizing white collar/professional level employees is that they have this “unions are John L. Lewis/industrial/I’m above all that” mindset. They really do think that Management “values” them and wouldn’t treat them badly. What they don’t understand is that by and large, people in Management/supervisory positions are not trained to the job – they’ve been given their promotions based on the lower level jobs they had – so, many times, they make very poor managers and supervisors and don’t have the skills to do the job and end up creating a lot of problems for technical/professional/white collar folks. Which is why, when someone at that level gets it in the neck, or is harassed or whatever, they are just paralyzed because the employees themselves are just shocked (shocked!!) that management or their supervisor would do such a thing to them. But unfortunately once that happens, it’s too late and there is no framework in place for how to deal with it…
People need to understand that poor management is usually a given – that is why every employee needs the protection of union representation – it’s a big help when you’ve been called in by some faceless HR blob who’s under orders to “discipline” you.
QuakerGirl @ 13
Ah yes, the Administrative Assistant.
been there. done that. know just what you mean.
I worked one place where they noticed how many restroom breaks you took. It was a nuisance for someone who needs more than one every two hours, more so when the nearest usable facility was literally a five minute walk away (the closer one being unusable because of plumbing difficulties).
(FWIW I quit one day, when the department boss dumped one too many need-it-today projects on my desk. E-mailed the resignation in. The location was pretty in terms of landscaping, but I think they were skirting regulations in many ways. The pay was cr*p.)
I had a friend at Boeing years ago. Originally, he was in the crowd that thought that being an engineer made him “management” and that a union wasn’t required.
He was disabused of that idea quickly by some seriously stupid moves on Boeing’s part and soon was part of the group that unionized the engineer’s there.
Had Boeing acted even slightly in good faith, it never would have occured. Engineers tend to be a pretty conservative lot.
is this what takes place when we call in to customer service?? damn this is awful…. who knew?
Tula and Rayne -
You are so right. Glad you used that excerpt re call centers, Tula – that’s my current experience.
I took the job because no one else was remotely interested in hiring a woman over 50 who used to be a “professional”, trying to change fields.
But you are so right; we must keep our minutes “off the phone” to less than 6 per day, and constantly reminded that while we may go to the rest room outside of a break if we absolutely must, we’re supposed to wait for breaks. My first break, btw, is 3 1/2 hrs after my start time.
We used to keep track on paper,; recently new software allowed an even closer tracking by the System.
Three is a goal of xxx seconds per call – if one takes too long, you’d better cut the rest short – but be polite, and gracious and give the customer a “wow” experience, but follow the rules about NOT doing what they want you to do.
Rules change regularly, work changes regularly, new goals, new tasks. I spend 11 hrs a day at work (luckily we have a 1 hr lunch, but it’s “unpaid”) four days a week. My days off I sleep half the day, I’m so tired.
And outside of proprietary software, I’m not learning anything new that will apply to other types of work.
juslin @ 18
Hey, this finally explains the dumb ass answers I get from Verizon.
peanutbutter @ 10
the reason there is anti union sentiment the marketing blizt the corporations have visited on our society…they have demonized collective bargaining becuase they don’t want to pay market value
we need to reframe the discussion, it is not us against them like they make it out to be it is a provider setting the price and the purchaser trying to get a better price…a bargaining proceedure where the laborer gets the true value of his product instead of taking whatever the corporation says they have to take
let me add something else which is very important and we have to bring it up every time this subject is discussed;
the cost of a product has very little to do with the price when it gets to market
companies price according to how desireable that product is, they don’t price according to what they pay for it
if a company pays 3 dollars to manufacture a pair of sneakers (say nike) and they can charge 110 dollars, they don’t charge 6 dollars which is what the cost would indicate, they charge 110 dollars which is what they can get
they charge what people will pay, plain and simple
in other words, the cost of a union product will only rarely reflect on the price of that product, the only thing that matters is what people will pay not what the product cost
Well put, Perris.
peanutbutter @ 10
It is sad but true. I worked in Silicon Valley for fifteen years and the tech people did not want to see themselves as “blue collar” in a “white collar” job. They had some serious attitudes towards their classification.
Also, many of these companies are small – below 200 employees. They tend to be more egalitarian. They address a problem among themselves and come up with a solution that fits the whole company. They are less than top down management. Though the person at the top is titled CEO, they are really more of a General Manager (don’t tell them that – ego, you know) than a large corporate CEO.
My personal opinion is that large corporations need unions because their workers are cogs in the wheel while in a small company, every person is essential and stands out as an individual in a position. It’s a totally different structure.
juslin @ 18
Oh, yeah — and if you feel like chatting because the person is friendly, be aware you could be costing her/him his job or at least a bonus. Our pay is based on bonuses; “qualifiers” include time per call (in seconds), time off the phone or out sick, and quality – adherence to required scripting (some can be in your own words) and hitting all necessary points in call (Did you rephrase the caller’s question in just the right way? Did you recite the proper closing/good-bye? Did you verify security properly? Etc., etc., etc.)
I missed 2 days in July – that meant no bonus 8/31 – and one my bill payments is likely to bounce because I’m so short.
there’s a tool that is pretty insidious: stock options.
Hey, you’re a bright intelligent employee invested in your future and the company’s future. A “win/win” as they say!
So we need you to work your tail off for very long days, you are management or at least management material, so that means no overtime pay! but you will get more stock options when you are promoted because you are a team player!! And because you’re workin’ hard, you get six weeks vacation to play hard, which we know you won’t take because there is never a “good time” to take it and you’re a great leader!!
(claps hand on your shoulder) Have a great, productive day.
Everyone falls for it.
“Micro management” is what any person says whose boss won’t let em do what they want to do.
AnnieW @ 20
They don’t get paid to think; they get paid to follow a script.
If you listen carefully to many of the folks in call centers like those that handle computer problems, you can almost hear them clicking through the scripted solution they are supposed to follow.
I’ve been on the other end, taking the calls for specialty piping, commodities trading and for computer service. The commodities trading happened pre-computers; I actually got to know the customers quite well, could predict what they wanted. The specialty piping was somewhat less personable, because we were measured on numbers of calls per hour (that was in the early 90’s). The last one was toughest, because even as you were trying to make the customer happy, you were trying to make the solution match a scripted plan while having nearly every key stroke recorded. The script would be just fine if one was working to fix a computer…
But what most of these scripted work plans fail to realize is that the part that needs repair most often is HUMAN, not a computer.
Like the jackass who sat on his laptop and lied about it, leaving an obvious butt print in the display. Where does that show up in the script, and where does it say in the script that I can’t laugh in his face??
Elliott @ 15
This is one of the most highly skilled demanding jobs I know of. That’s why so few men are Admins – highly skilled, multi-tasked, hard work and very low pay, especially for the requirements.
Well, I’m not sure, rwcole, that micromanagement is the precise description for my call center job–I’m left alone most of the time, (tho’ I’ll be monitored without knowing it at any time), I just get graded on deviation.
But, if your comment wasn’t just snark, I’d have to disagree with you. I’ve been “micromanaged” at “professional” work, and it doesn’t do anybody any good.
QuakerGirl @ 28
the words “used” and “abused” come to mind when I think back…
tejanarusa @ 24
What happens when you have a hard of hearing customer who needs a good deal of repetition?
Refresh now
Rayne @ 12
Went to your blog but didn’t see an e-mail address. I’d like a copy of the article. Send it to ekunin at optonline dot net
~~~ModNote: Repaired email address.~~~
and where does this notion that unions are no longer needed? there’s no benevolent corporations just giving employees a fair shake… ok maybe 1 or 2 but thats about it….the executives are raking in the dough and great benefits…unions are still necessary…
Rayne -
LOL!
Unfortunately, laughing at our customers’ pathetic lies/excuses would be a firing offense. But sometimes they’re nearly as obvious as that!
Hey mods, in #31, if you could clear out the top quoted part I accidentally included to just tejanarusa’s quote, I’d be appreciative *sigh*
*chants* preview, preview, preview…
Quaker Girl,
I agree and recognize what you say because I also worked in tech. The problem with small companies is, if they succeed, they outgrow the egalitarianism, as you put it, or are bought by a bigger, more rigid organization structure.
The expectation to put in long hours because it will pay off in the near future is replaced by the expectation to put in long hours because that how we succeeded in the early years and you can too (maybe) or if they were bought, the workers need to work long hours, because that’s the kind of company the buyer thought they were buying. IOW, mgmt sees the benefit of fewer people working longer hours (who wouldn’t?) but forget about the promise of compensation for that investment of time on the workers’ part.
E.G. I lost a sabbatical through re-organization just like that because our division was bought by a very large telecommunications company. oh well.
QuakerGirl @ 28
Having been one, I think the perfect Administrative Assistant has to be a passive aggressive personality. The kind of person who will say, “Yes, sir, immediately, sir,” and then takes out their aggression by moving like molasses on a January day in Michigan.
I couldn’t hack it, nothing passive about me.
And the pay sucked. Would have taken everything I earned just to put my two kids in daycare; had to switch to IT instead. Made 10K more for less stressful work, and spent my time working on computers which I was already doing as an Admin Asst. And I had the best boss in the world.
tejanarusa @ 29
If I can chime in here. I put portfolio companies together for Venture Capital firms in Silicon Valley, and, “micromanage” meant a boss who abused their position of “power” over employees. A good manager never micromanages. They manage.
juslin @ 18
So, would it be better if they didn’t follow a script? The script allows them to figure out what you need an address that need.
Any teachers out there. How are unions covered in textbooks, history and social studies? Has corporate America used NCLB to demonize unions for a generation?
peanutbutter-
Ah, you catch on quick! They are exactly the ones most likely to require 10-15 minutes. And everyone knows when you have such a customer – you have to shout every word.
Sadly, the elderly also are most likely to have certain cognitive defects -honestly, there are certain concepts that they seem unable to grasp anymore, that are rarely hard for younger folks.
I take the time – I’ve never gotten a bonus based on talk time, and I’m constantly counseled to reduce my time. It’s because I do explain 6 different ways, and my callers, elderly ones especially, often tell me that out of 2 or 3 “advisors” they’ve asked about the problem, I was the first who actually explained the answer so it made sense.
Elliott @ 30
Yes. What is ruder than when you are, not handed, but a project is dropped on you desk at 3:30 PM with the demand, “I need this before five o’clock. It is a several hour project sloppily slapped together that you have to fix to make an idiot look good.
SeamusD @ 40
I never thought about it that way.
I’m interested in the answers you get.
I work in SW development for a large company. There is a strong sense among the folks I work with that we don’t need unions because we are well compensated compared to most of the rest of the work force and we are. None-the-less, few people understand that the only reason the overall market in the US is as good as it is is because of the impact of the union movement 80 to 30 years ago and that as that impact is eroded our position will be eroded as well. Off shore outsourcing is having a big impact as well. Additionally, the quality of work life gets worse and worse. Schedules go from unrealistic to impossible and we’re expected to compensate by working more hours.
None-the-less, the sense that we are “professionals” that is promoted makes it nearly impossible to get anyone interested in a union.
Anybody ever worked a job where you would get your ass kicked for working too hard or fast by union members. Maybe if the unions hadn’t pulled all that bullshit wit featherbedding it wouldn’t have been as easy to do away with them. (I am now hiding in my bunker)
Micromanagement does cause passive aggressive behavoir on the small scale.
On a larger scale, at my husband’s old company there was a term for it…working to the contract. The employees did tons of things outside of the scope of their employment that made things go smoother, saved the company money, made customers happy and feel appreciated, etc.
When the company would screw around with them (unfortunately, fairly regularly) all of a sudden all rules are followed to the letter and things ceased to go as smoothly as they could. Technically, they didn’t do anything wrong, they instead, were doing everything right.
tejanarusa @ 34
Fortunately my customers were internal, not external. Instead of laughing in his face (I could even make out that he’d been wearing Levi’s when he sat on it), I forced the next step in the script and sic’d a Field Service Tech on him. I emailed her in advance what had happened, and she took it from there, proceeded to painfully and slowly review the case with him in person over the broken laptop.
Heh. We laughed so hard afterwards because he’d broken into a sweat. I think he thought we were going to hand him a bill for it; unfortunately, I had to issue him a new machine. Never saw that guy again, fortunately for him. I would have had to put on my righteously angry shareholder voice.
Ed Kunin @ 32
Ed, I’ve already emailed it to you, hope the formatting survives the cut-and-paste.
[and thanks, mod, for the repair job.]
AnnieW @ 46
It all pays the same!
raven @ 45
come back out!
it’s not like you’re making featherbedding up.
raven @ 39
Don’t tempt me to post my tirade about trying to solve a technical issue over several phone calls, where the “script” forced each technician to GO OVER THE SAME SET OF QUESTIONS EACH TIME before we reached the new plateau. Even when I TOLD THEM, Look, we’ve covered a, b, c, and now we’re on d, sure enough WE HAD TO GO THROUGH a, b, and c OVER AGAIN.
Ooops, I ranted.
It’s particularly galling when you know more than they do, but they’ve got access to the controls you don’t.
Office Space:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hec…..mp;search=
I have but one name – Studs Turkel. If you want to learn about unions and union workers, Studs is your man. He is our national memory on unions.
tejanarusa@19
You must be working for Dell! That certainly sounds like their MO…
raven @ 39
It would be better if the script allowed for options, including “None of the Above” where the script is not working. There are almost always one-of’s that happen, where a solid technician will be able to fix the problem, but the script stops then from doing it or more importantly, from documenting that it happened and how it was resolved.
One-of’s have a nasty way of becoming massive recalls.
raven @ 45
raven, I’ve heard stories of this, but have never experienced it. I have, however seen a union employee-run test that should take 2 people about an hour to do take 6 people two hours to do. Two people did the work, 4 watched, and there were breaks about every half hour.
Come to think of it, this was very likely the result of being threatened about working too fast.
raven @ 45
I’m not going to flamethrow, but, if the company has a policy that 10 parts need to be made a day, and one day, because everything is going perfect, no outside problems, no mechanical issues, etc., some hard worker pulls out an amazing 14 parts, instead of getting a bonus, the standard gets raised unrealistically by a management that’s not on the line.
Plus, doing things methodically (seen as slow by many newcomers) reduces error and injuries. It’s not a race, and a company would NEVER tolerate (union or no) a workforce so slow that it is costing them money.
Just my 2 cents….
JF @ 55
You betcha.
Certainly unions themselves can become corrupted. There’s a case here where the local union is deliberately supplying apprentices in greater numbers (because they are cheaper) to certain companies, despite a required journeyman/apprentice ratio. Transparency and accountability are needed everywhere. But even so, many of the things that we take for granted today were instituted by unions so in the end I’d say we were better off with them than without them.
nonplussed @ 53
Sadly, no. It’s the model for all call centers. And we are less tightly scripted than some types of businesses.
tejanarusa @ 59
well, I hope when I call your center I get you.
peanutbutter @ 58
Absolutely agree. Where I live in FL, (a right-to-get-screwed state),non-union industries still have to be responsive to wage and worker issues, else the qualified help departs for unionized climes.
QuakerGirl @ 23
A lot of the IT pros had the same attitude where I used to work – until the agency got “out from under” Title V and started negotiating pay. When managment denied them a raise that the rest of the federal IT pros got, they were all adamant that the union do something – the non-members most of all (as usual). We ended up getting the raise for them with back pay about 2 1/2 years later.
Elliott said
One more defense of 5 employees watching 1 do the work…or not defense, but another reason other than pesky unions.
Sometimes it’s regulations.
I worked in the nuclear power industry, trust me, we had tons of nonsensical overlap that involved tons of educated people being drastically underworked. Every nut and bolt was touched 15 times.
A friend worked for Caltrans and everything that’s done by a laborer is signed off by multiple people, by law. Sometimes, it does look like five people are watching a ditch be dug, and sometimes, that IS what’s happening.
JF @ 55
Visit any convention center in this country and try to work with the Teamsters setting up a display.
peanutbutter @ 50
Ugh. I know that one, been there, done that.
Last power outage late one night made my digital set top burp. I didn’t think anything of it because it powered back up, albeit slowly.
Next morning I have no high-speed internet over cable. Being a techie, I follow the usual drill:
– reboot, check the network. If no, then
– reboot the modem, check the network. If no, then
– reboot both the modem and the router, in order, allowing full reset, check the network. If no, then
– check the cable to the house, pre- and post- digital set box, check the network. If no, then
– check the fuse box for any tripped fuses, check the network. If no,
– call the cable company.
I got an automated voice-activated system that actually detected my cable service when I called to report the outage. It made me go back and do every single f*cking step over again, and even asked me to unplug and replug in both the computer to the power and the modem, and to check the main power coming into the house.
At that point I got REALLY furious and spent 15 minutes trying to figure out how to route my call around this automated monstrous hell. I got to a human.
They told me, Oh, yeah, we know there’s a wide-spread outage in your area because of a lightning strike last night.
I apologized in advance, and explained to them that I wanted them to convey word-for-word what I was saying to their supervisors. I asked why the bloody hell there wasn’t a voice message explaining the known outage at the beginning of the process so I could simply hang up and wait.
F*ckers.
off topic, sorry but this is breaking on raw story and it is HUGE
here’s the pdfoff topic, sorry but this is breaking on raw story and it is HUGE
MAN OH MAN OH MAN, how the HELL can congress aquiesse if they have this report?
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perris @ 67
Linky?
Ooops! I hit enter by mistake ! Sorry, sorry.
was responding to Elliott, saying he hopes he gets me if he calls my business.
Thanks, that’s sweet. But if you want something I’m not allowed to give you, you might not be so happy with me. *g*
I do what I can, but people who think they’re going to persuade me to risk my job by breaking the rules outright are people who’ve never been unemployed. Let’s just say, I might think this is utterly ridiculous, too, but I can neither say so nor violate the rule straight out. And if it’s bendable and you, the caller, are calling me names, I probably WON’T bend it for you. Yup, passive-aggressive – it’s all we have.
Rayne @ 66
Agh. Flashbacks, flashbacks.
Yeah, gotta love that.
(Thanks mods, for the fix on #31…)
peanutbutter @ 69
linkerage
Rayne @ 66
You’re the mistress of understatement.
perris @ 68
I guess we’ll see how they can next week when they probably will.
featherbedding notwithstanding unions are still necessary…it made entering the middle-class a bit easier… viva unions i say
The whole “right to work” state issue is a very contentious thing in economic development. So many companies looking for new sites use, as a first cut off, the map of “right to work” states. I worked in eco dev for five years and I can tell you from working with the consultants that this is the first cut. This is why states in the Northeast and upper midwest struggle so much and seem to have so many problems getting new projects — they get cut right away. Worker productivity, quality of life issues, etc. never get on the plate because the consultants have been told to only look at “right to work” states. This is why the only eco develment that works in states like New York or PA is working with companies that are already here or with people who grew up in those states who want to be with families and so on – they WANT to be there so they choose to be there. They are not chasing “cheap labor”.
This is also why the SEIU is doing wonderful work in unionizing service-industry employees.
In California, at least, it was this way 20 years ago. I tried to tell coworkers when unions came knocking, but did they listen? Are you kidding?
Maybe they see now.
AnnieW @ 64
OTOH, there’s my experience managing a branch where it took one union member to change the filter on the furnace and another union member to flip the switch to turn the furnace on. This might take upwards of a week, since it was the same two guys in charge of 20 facilities who all needed heat at the same time…
Eleven public officials arrested in Jersey.
Toby Wollin @ 76
And folks in those states are thoroughly brain-washed. In Texas, the AG is “finally” looking into some claims of a union violating “right-to-work”law because — wait for it — a huge volume of calls and letters from Texans demanding an investigation. Sigh.
In Oklahoma, I knew a very liberal man on vitually all issues except one: “I hate unions,” he’d say.
OT. This is an incredibly damning video about Ghouliani:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/6/142146/7610
And then there are teachers unions.
Re ccmasks OT on the arrested officials:
“It’s just a horrible day in Pleasantville,” said John Deserable, a monitor sent by the state Department of Education to oversee the district’s finances.
I’m sorry, that just made me LOL. /s
I’m an IT contractor, and what I’ve noticed recently is that domestic placement firms, that help contractors find open positions for a percentage of their fee, are being aggressively undercut by offshored (read: east Indian) contracting firms.
These firms employ giant call centers that scour all of the major resume sites (Monster, Dice, etc) to match workers with jobs. They are totally undercutting the local, domestic firms with which I’ve worked for years.
But they’re not only undercutting the placement firms: they are under orders from their clients to reduce rates. Big companies aren’t even providing their professional openings to domestic firms, but are restricting them to offshored firms with orders to cut rates.
Today I got an offer from one such firm for a rate ONE THIRD of my highest rate, less than half of my lowest rate.
I’ve tried to bypass the firms and communicate directly with the employers – many of whose placement personnel I know personally. They have confirmed that these companies are trying to drive down rates, for two reasons.
First, of course, to save money on those they do hire for these lowered rates.
Second, to justify bringing over inexpensive offshored H1-B workers to fill in for a “lack” of domestic workers. Of course when they’re offering 1/3rd or 1/2 of a fair rate, you will create that lack of domestic workers…
I have worked in two call centers and we were monitored every minute with computer activity and time on the phone. We had speed of answer reports, amount of time on “after call activities” and time logged out. They even monitored the time in the bathroom with access in and out of the bathroom using a security badge.
I left that job in 2002 and at my good bye party we had a headset burning party. This is how nurses were treated while trying to perform case management on the insured members.
katymine @ 86
I got fired from the Post Office in 1971 and I NEVER looked back.
Albatross @ 85
Yup, that’s exactly what I’m seeing as well, and that’s why the “white collar” IT sector needs to unionize and unionize fast. I actually make less than I did when I first graduated in this field. It’s crazy.
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later.
Great post, Tula. Enjoy the rest of your vacation.
New thread, looseheadprop Thursday Afternoon As I Don My Tin Foil Chapeau
peanutbutter @ 88
Unfortunately, I don’t think unionization can prevent off-shoring. That’s how they avoid the union altogether – just send it offshore.
I’ve figured from the start of my call center job that it could go to India any time. Then, I suppose I’ll have to be a Wal-Mart greeter, since I’m “too old’ for anything else.
We tend to stereotype unions and vilify them. There have certainly been a criminal element that took possession of some unions with the help of corporate management. My Dad used to say the union bosses sold out to corrupt corporation bosses and deserted the worker. And, so they did.
On the other hand, most corporations are corrupt. It is not just Enron. Even broader categories are industries – pharmaceutical, insurance, oil, energy, security, agricultural to mention a few. Unions work best for large corporations. Without them, workers have little to no rights. Their pay can be reduced, benefits reduced, hours increased, vacation time decreased, etc.
Thanks to unions we no longer have child laborers in this country, thus the celebration of Labor Day. Now we continue this practice off-shore. Corporations cannot be trusted to “do the right thing” without being made to do the right thing.
Rather than criticizing the concept of unions, we need to recreate them to fit a modern, better educated, more sophisticated worker. Unions need to be updated. Everything spirals downward over time. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water, let us put our collective heads together and address what would be appropriate for the role of unions.
I am looking more into Andy Stern these days. I am interested in where he is taking the concept of unions. There must be others out there.
tejanarusa @ 91
Oh, I don’t know about that…India’s got a few problems right now. It’s possible their entire government will walk out because a power bloc has broken up over a dispute about a joint naval exercise with the U.S. The U.S. could find itself on the outs, and India already has too much control over IT assets for this country; it’s a national security risk.
Amazing that we don’t see this getting picked up in US media, huh?
If you have the skill set, you might think about starting a small company that specializes in providing personal service to small-medium businesses. A micro-business, like a mom-and-pop shop, don’t have the ability to do their own IT work and they often don’t have the time to do regular maintenance. You’d not only be helping them immensely, but you’d be out of the cube farm and dealing directly with real, live humans.
tejanarusa @ 91
there must be tariffs on any industry that off shores to countries that don’t have collective bargaining
bing, problem solved
Rayne –
Hmmm, interesting. Although, I believe it was Lenin who said “a capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with.” Seems to me there are already lots of national security issues that have been ignored — selling Boeing plan designs to China? WTF?
Sadly, no such skill set. Totally left-brained, verbal.
I am thinking of starting a small factory to make “tinfoil chapeaus”, though. Looks like that market might be exploding soon. (see next thread)
raven @ 45
My father was once upon a time an accountant for a construction company and told about two things that got his attention.
1. A union member had to be present to run the cement mixer. What it took to run it was to press the on/off switch.
2. Every crane operating needed a union crane oiler to service the crane. This was a separate and additional person from the crane operator. Never mind that one crane oiler could have easily handled many many cranes at the same site.
I also work in a call center. The LATEST thing is to use software that can 1. see and record for the auditors every place you go on the computer during the call, and which can- GET THIS:
2. recognize “emotion” and flag certain calls for review based on emotional content or “key words.” If we had any doubts about Big Brother- He’s Here. The thing is that the call monitoring is “supposed” to be random. But it clearly is NOT if the computer can grab calls that are more likely to have been difficult- and therefore, there is a wonderful new way to deprive employees of bonuses, since anyone who is judged by their most difficult calls will look worse than someone with a true sampling of calls.
Please read any biography of Frederick Winslow Taylor to discover he was a raving nutcase. When he was a young man, he went to bed every night held in place with an array of leather restraining straps to prevent him from playing with himself. That any sane person would turn over their business to a management method based on Obessive-Compulsive Disorder . . .