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	<title>Comments on: ACLU Scores a Big Win Against the Patriot Act</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949482</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948445&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 177&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Iceberg straight ahead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad we have Joseph Hazelwood Bush at the helm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just heard on NPR that Bush called Australian soldiers Austrians. And these are the people who somehow know best? Give…Me…a…Break!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948445"><em>GSD @ 177</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Iceberg straight ahead.</p>
<p>Too bad we have Joseph Hazelwood Bush at the helm.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<p>I just heard on NPR that Bush called Australian soldiers Austrians. And these are the people who somehow know best? Give…Me…a…Break!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949454</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948379&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Peterr @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948375&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 113&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Ike is also quite annoyed with the Air Force.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can think of lots of reasons why, but what’s his?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ever had Air Force planes flying over your head with nukes on the wings?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948379"><em>Peterr @ 117</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-948375"><em>Steve-AR @ 113</em></a></p>
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<p>Ike is also quite annoyed with the Air Force.</p>
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<p>I can think of lots of reasons why, but what’s his?</p>
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<p>Ever had Air Force planes flying over your head with nukes on the wings?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949427</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948322&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Does this ruling give Sibel Edmunds her 1st Amendment rights back???&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She never lost her rights. They are unalienable. Even an alien like Dubya can’t take them away. But, he can infringe on them and should be punished thoroughly for that. He has to be restrained from infringing further.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948322"><em>LS @ 67</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Does this ruling give Sibel Edmunds her 1st Amendment rights back???</p>
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<p>She never lost her rights. They are unalienable. Even an alien like Dubya can’t take them away. But, he can infringe on them and should be punished thoroughly for that. He has to be restrained from infringing further.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949410</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948275&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 29&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jeralyn:  Out of the 143,000 of the letters, will we ever find out who got them, do you think?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone should set up a website specifically to let them sign and give some info about when they received an NSL and what it was about (if they have that). If we’re going to figure out the fight we have to know, to some extent, what, and who, they’ve been after.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948275"><em>ccmask @ 29</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Jeralyn:  Out of the 143,000 of the letters, will we ever find out who got them, do you think?</p>
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<p>Someone should set up a website specifically to let them sign and give some info about when they received an NSL and what it was about (if they have that). If we’re going to figure out the fight we have to know, to some extent, what, and who, they’ve been after.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949400</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948264&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 19&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Every time we win, I feel good until I remember what is waiting at the SCOTUS. When the Republican police state starts getting the stamp of approval from Roberts et al, then what do we do?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like your thinking and I agree that is a very scary potential. We don’t really have a good way to avoid that at this time. I’m still hoping, I suppose, that when the FISA law goes before them it will put Roberts and Alito and perhaps the other Rs in an awkward position of having to shoot down the Bush law because it’s not Constitutional. That will be a big test which will let us see where we really stand. Until then you’re right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948264"><em>Steve-AR @ 19</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Every time we win, I feel good until I remember what is waiting at the SCOTUS. When the Republican police state starts getting the stamp of approval from Roberts et al, then what do we do?</p>
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<p>I like your thinking and I agree that is a very scary potential. We don’t really have a good way to avoid that at this time. I’m still hoping, I suppose, that when the FISA law goes before them it will put Roberts and Alito and perhaps the other Rs in an awkward position of having to shoot down the Bush law because it’s not Constitutional. That will be a big test which will let us see where we really stand. Until then you’re right.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Judges are irrelevant now.  Laws are irrelevant.  Nothing short of impeachment and removal from office will shut down the Republican ‘War on America’ machine.  Too bad the Republicans control both houses of Congress.  Maybe France will liberate us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges are irrelevant now.  Laws are irrelevant.  Nothing short of impeachment and removal from office will shut down the Republican ‘War on America’ machine.  Too bad the Republicans control both houses of Congress.  Maybe France will liberate us.</p>
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		<title>By: KestrelBrighteyes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949178</link>
		<dc:creator>KestrelBrighteyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I want to share with y’all something posted in my chatroom yesterday:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I swear..its seems like the ACLU is doing everything they can to protect the enemies of the US..This will be over turned thank God..I bet Kes is saying fantastic..al Qaeda won another short lived round..Not that she supports al Qaeda but because she hates bush so much!!&lt;br /&gt;
but it comes out the same..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Must. Bang. Head. Against. Wall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now - check this out (and turn up the sound):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/2or6jw&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2or6jw&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We’ll buy a flag when we get our country back”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My favorite line - “It’s my country too. Who the hell are you?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to share with y’all something posted in my chatroom yesterday:</p>
<blockquote><p>I swear..its seems like the ACLU is doing everything they can to protect the enemies of the US..This will be over turned thank God..I bet Kes is saying fantastic..al Qaeda won another short lived round..Not that she supports al Qaeda but because she hates bush so much!!<br />
but it comes out the same..</p>
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<p>Must. Bang. Head. Against. Wall.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; check this out (and turn up the sound):</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2or6jw">http://tinyurl.com/2or6jw</a> </p>
<p>“We’ll buy a flag when we get our country back”</p>
<p>My favorite line &#8211; “It’s my country too. Who the hell are you?”</p>
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		<title>By: ticktock</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-949131</link>
		<dc:creator>ticktock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“NSLs may be used to obtain access to subscriber, billing or transactional records from Internet service providers; to obtain a wide array of financial and credit documents; or even to obtain library records. In almost all cases, recipients of NSLs are forbidden, or “gagged,” from disclosing that they have received the letters, even to close family and friends. This has been a severe hardship on NSL recipients, who not only have been forced to keep this major event secret, but who have been prevented from meaningfully participating in public discussions about NSLs. The court today held that because the gag provisions cannot be separated from the entire amended statute, the court was compelled to strike down the entire statute.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe any persons or businesses at this point need to pony up;&lt;br /&gt;
a). if they received any of these NSA requests for private information of specific individuals&lt;br /&gt;
b). if they indeed participated in allowing access&lt;br /&gt;
c). what precisely did they provide, when, and to whom&lt;br /&gt;
d). or face possible legal action from all victims of this fast and loose fishing expedition…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“NSLs may be used to obtain access to subscriber, billing or transactional records from Internet service providers; to obtain a wide array of financial and credit documents; or even to obtain library records. In almost all cases, recipients of NSLs are forbidden, or “gagged,” from disclosing that they have received the letters, even to close family and friends. This has been a severe hardship on NSL recipients, who not only have been forced to keep this major event secret, but who have been prevented from meaningfully participating in public discussions about NSLs. The court today held that because the gag provisions cannot be separated from the entire amended statute, the court was compelled to strike down the entire statute.”</p>
<p>I believe any persons or businesses at this point need to pony up;<br />
a). if they received any of these NSA requests for private information of specific individuals<br />
b). if they indeed participated in allowing access<br />
c). what precisely did they provide, when, and to whom<br />
d). or face possible legal action from all victims of this fast and loose fishing expedition…</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-948371&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PeterK @ 109&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is only one word for this stuff:  &lt;b&gt;Fascism&lt;/b&gt;.  The parallels with the Nazis are evident–repeat the lies over and over, scare the populace, grab power based on the fears that you have created.  Thank God we have a judiciary that has not been completely cowed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have a look at this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-wicKsoi0&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-wicKsoi0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-948371"><em>PeterK @ 109</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>There is only one word for this stuff:  <b>Fascism</b>.  The parallels with the Nazis are evident–repeat the lies over and over, scare the populace, grab power based on the fears that you have created.  Thank God we have a judiciary that has not been completely cowed.</p>
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<p>Have a look at this: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-wicKsoi0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-wicKsoi0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/06/aclu-scores-a-big-win-against-the-patriot-act/#comment-948717</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Understanding the Contemporary Republican Party: Authoritarians Have Taken Control&lt;br /&gt;
Part One in a Three-Part Series&lt;br /&gt;
By JOHN W. DEAN&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070905.html&quot;&gt;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070905.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dean tries to help us understand the madness&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understanding the Contemporary Republican Party: Authoritarians Have Taken Control<br />
Part One in a Three-Part Series<br />
By JOHN W. DEAN<br />
<a href="http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070905.html">http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070905.html</a></p>
<p>Dean tries to help us understand the madness</p>
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