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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946825</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess the Dems rode in on Nov. 2006 with nary an idea of why.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946813</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;“Democrats Newly Willing to Compromise on Iraq”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this getting all surprised act in Lefty Blogistan is kind of old now, isnt it? The sellout of campaign rhetoric was pre-ordained, and geuss what? the same will happen in 08 and beyond, until Americans have more choices at the polls, and finally get a chance to vote against neo-con, war candidates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;pseudonymous in nyc&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But Democrats need to go into 2008 showing that they fought against Bush’s ‘leaving is losing’ grand strategy with every inch of their beings. And the elected ones in Congress, for the most part, don’t have the spine for that fight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what if it’s not a matter of spine, bokay?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what if, as in the Matrix, when the little boy monk says “there is no spoon” the truth is, &lt;em&gt;there is no fight&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they are on the same team, they have the same goals of American world hegemony through military force, the ‘fight’ stuff is just for show.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like in the WWF, they look like they are fighting, but the ‘face’, the good guy, is going along with the same script as the ‘heel’, the bad guy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any doubts? look at the near unanimous votes in Congress in support of the Cheney cabals’s next war, against Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then watch them pass the $50 billion, which will get diverted towards the next war, then really, who gives a sh*t about their various timetable for partial withdrawal plans?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>this getting all surprised act in Lefty Blogistan is kind of old now, isnt it? The sellout of campaign rhetoric was pre-ordained, and geuss what? the same will happen in 08 and beyond, until Americans have more choices at the polls, and finally get a chance to vote against neo-con, war candidates.</p>
<p>pseudonymous in nyc</p>
<blockquote><p>But Democrats need to go into 2008 showing that they fought against Bush’s ‘leaving is losing’ grand strategy with every inch of their beings. And the elected ones in Congress, for the most part, don’t have the spine for that fight.</p>
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<p>what if it’s not a matter of spine, bokay?</p>
<p>what if, as in the Matrix, when the little boy monk says “there is no spoon” the truth is, <em>there is no fight</em>?</p>
<p>they are on the same team, they have the same goals of American world hegemony through military force, the ‘fight’ stuff is just for show.</p>
<p>Like in the WWF, they look like they are fighting, but the ‘face’, the good guy, is going along with the same script as the ‘heel’, the bad guy.</p>
<p>Any doubts? look at the near unanimous votes in Congress in support of the Cheney cabals’s next war, against Iran.</p>
<p>Then watch them pass the $50 billion, which will get diverted towards the next war, then really, who gives a sh*t about their various timetable for partial withdrawal plans?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Lightfoot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946810</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Lightfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946120&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;hackworth @ 126&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946100&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, Cuba (Reuters) - The U.S. military is building a mobile courtroom complex on an unused runway at the Guantanamo Bay naval base and plans to be ready by March to conduct as many as three terrorism trials at a time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070905/ts_nm/guantanamo_court_dc&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Making ready for Republicans after 01/20/09..A person can hope.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its mobile. It hops on its own kangaroo legs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bravo, Hackworth!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-946100"><em>Steve-AR @ 107</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT…</p>
<p>GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, Cuba (Reuters) &#8211; The U.S. military is building a mobile courtroom complex on an unused runway at the Guantanamo Bay naval base and plans to be ready by March to conduct as many as three terrorism trials at a time.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070905/ts_nm/guantanamo_court_dc">link</a></p>
<p>Making ready for Republicans after 01/20/09..A person can hope.</p>
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<p>Its mobile. It hops on its own kangaroo legs.</p>
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<p>Bravo, Hackworth!</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Lightfoot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946772</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Lightfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946021&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 34&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;EPU’d&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt; So far I’ve picked up these, please add the ones I missed or you come up with.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;So. What does NPR stand for these days?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;National Platform for Republicans&lt;br /&gt;
Never Piss off a Republican&lt;br /&gt;
Never Plebeian, Really!&lt;br /&gt;
New Privatized Reporting&lt;br /&gt;
Neo-con Piggies’ Radio&lt;br /&gt;
Nice Polite Republicans&lt;br /&gt;
No Ph*cking Reporting&lt;br /&gt;
NO POINT REPORTING&lt;br /&gt;
No Public Responsibility&lt;br /&gt;
Not Preying in Restooms&lt;br /&gt;
Now, Particularly Recherche&lt;br /&gt;
Now Pointless and Redundant&lt;br /&gt;
NPR: “We used to matter”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I especially like “Now, Particularly Recherche.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>EPU’d<br />
<em> So far I’ve picked up these, please add the ones I missed or you come up with.</em></p>
<p><b>So. What does NPR stand for these days?</b></p>
<p>National Platform for Republicans<br />
Never Piss off a Republican<br />
Never Plebeian, Really!<br />
New Privatized Reporting<br />
Neo-con Piggies’ Radio<br />
Nice Polite Republicans<br />
No Ph*cking Reporting<br />
NO POINT REPORTING<br />
No Public Responsibility<br />
Not Preying in Restooms<br />
Now, Particularly Recherche<br />
Now Pointless and Redundant<br />
NPR: “We used to matter”</p>
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<p>I especially like “Now, Particularly Recherche.”</p>
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		<title>By: woodguy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946730</link>
		<dc:creator>woodguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Haven’t read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been noted, but shouldn’t this be “Duh Bait” as in take the…?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: pseudonymous in nc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946502</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudonymous in nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946158&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;billjpa @ 163&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ya know- whats it gonna take to point out that the goopers only understand power?&lt;br /&gt;
 So how about a show of power.1,000,000 or more folks on the mall in DC! waddya say. A good old power display.&lt;br /&gt;
 How about pickets at every single college and university in this country. How about it. I realize that at 130 plus-not too may readers but what the hell.With NYT headlines the bastards got to be awahened!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, that’s what it will take.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look, it’s already clear that there will be 100k  troops in Iraq when Chimpy is booed out of the White House in 2009. The Veto Sharpie and the moral blackmail will ensure it. But Democrats need to go into 2008 showing that they fought against Bush’s ‘leaving is losing’ grand strategy with every inch of their beings. And the elected ones in Congress, for the most part, don’t have the spine for that fight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-946158"><em>billjpa @ 163</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>ya know- whats it gonna take to point out that the goopers only understand power?<br />
 So how about a show of power.1,000,000 or more folks on the mall in DC! waddya say. A good old power display.<br />
 How about pickets at every single college and university in this country. How about it. I realize that at 130 plus-not too may readers but what the hell.With NYT headlines the bastards got to be awahened!</p>
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<p>Well, that’s what it will take.</p>
<p>Look, it’s already clear that there will be 100k  troops in Iraq when Chimpy is booed out of the White House in 2009. The Veto Sharpie and the moral blackmail will ensure it. But Democrats need to go into 2008 showing that they fought against Bush’s ‘leaving is losing’ grand strategy with every inch of their beings. And the elected ones in Congress, for the most part, don’t have the spine for that fight.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946462</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946042&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RonD @ 54&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Guiliani: “Reagan pointed, liike, a thousand missles at Soviet cities to make ‘em negotiate!”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Inspiring, isn’t it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-946042"><em>RonD @ 54</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Guiliani: “Reagan pointed, liike, a thousand missles at Soviet cities to make ‘em negotiate!”</p>
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<p>Inspiring, isn’t it?</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946408</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946137&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Riesz Fischer @ 143&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946135&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 138&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;    So far I’ve picked up these, please add the ones I missed or you come up with.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
    So. What does NPR stand for these days?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    National Platform for Republicans&lt;br /&gt;
    National Public Relations&lt;br /&gt;
    Never Piss off a Republican&lt;br /&gt;
    Never Plebeian, Really!&lt;br /&gt;
    New Pravda Review&lt;br /&gt;
    New Privatized Reporting&lt;br /&gt;
    Neo-con Piggies’ Radio&lt;br /&gt;
    Neo Prone Republics&lt;br /&gt;
    Nice Polite Republicans&lt;br /&gt;
    No Ph*cking Reporting&lt;br /&gt;
    NO POINT REPORTING&lt;br /&gt;
    No Public Responsibility&lt;br /&gt;
    Not Preying in Restooms&lt;br /&gt;
    Now, Particularly Recherche&lt;br /&gt;
    Now Pointless and Redundant&lt;br /&gt;
    NPR: “We used to matter”&lt;br /&gt;
    National Publican Radio&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, this one is just stupid and non-political. I knew a girl in college who made a poster about something on NPR–plastered it everywhere on campus: Natural Pubic Radio&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-946137"><em>Riesz Fischer @ 143</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-946135"><em>Elliott @ 138</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>    So far I’ve picked up these, please add the ones I missed or you come up with.</em><br />
<b><br />
    So. What does NPR stand for these days?</b></p>
<p>    National Platform for Republicans<br />
    National Public Relations<br />
    Never Piss off a Republican<br />
    Never Plebeian, Really!<br />
    New Pravda Review<br />
    New Privatized Reporting<br />
    Neo-con Piggies’ Radio<br />
    Neo Prone Republics<br />
    Nice Polite Republicans<br />
    No Ph*cking Reporting<br />
    NO POINT REPORTING<br />
    No Public Responsibility<br />
    Not Preying in Restooms<br />
    Now, Particularly Recherche<br />
    Now Pointless and Redundant<br />
    NPR: “We used to matter”<br />
    National Publican Radio</p>
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<p>Okay, this one is just stupid and non-political. I knew a girl in college who made a poster about something on NPR–plastered it everywhere on campus: Natural Pubic Radio</p>
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		<title>By: swag</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/05/gop-debate-thread/#comment-946325</link>
		<dc:creator>swag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946115&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Votus @ 121&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946050&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;swag @ 61&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How am I supposed to pressure Gordon Fucking Smith when our Democrats just sign on to this continued bullshit?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel for you. I’m in Baird’s district, which tends to be considered a conservative one. I think that if the Dems. that are representing you are not responding satisfactorily to their constituents, what needs to happen is to run a progressive candidate against the Dem. incumbant in the primary. I’d love to find someone to run here that I could really support, rather than just having to vote for an inadequate Dem. in order to keep a Republican from getting the seat. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is what the local Republican website had on their home page last week–it was designated as their top pick for best letter to the editor, entitled “Baird wisely comes around to making the right Iraq choice.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, thanks.  My real Senator is Ron Wyden, and my Rep is Earl Blumenauer, and they usually represent me quite well, and they did so during the run-up to the war and they do so now, so I wouldn’t care to run anyone against them.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But by all means, against Baird.  I’ll kick in some cash.  And best to you and your district!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-946050"><em>swag @ 61</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>How am I supposed to pressure Gordon Fucking Smith when our Democrats just sign on to this continued bullshit?</p>
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<p>I feel for you. I’m in Baird’s district, which tends to be considered a conservative one. I think that if the Dems. that are representing you are not responding satisfactorily to their constituents, what needs to happen is to run a progressive candidate against the Dem. incumbant in the primary. I’d love to find someone to run here that I could really support, rather than just having to vote for an inadequate Dem. in order to keep a Republican from getting the seat. </p>
<p>This is what the local Republican website had on their home page last week–it was designated as their top pick for best letter to the editor, entitled “Baird wisely comes around to making the right Iraq choice.”</p>
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<p>Well, thanks.  My real Senator is Ron Wyden, and my Rep is Earl Blumenauer, and they usually represent me quite well, and they did so during the run-up to the war and they do so now, so I wouldn’t care to run anyone against them.  </p>
<p>But by all means, against Baird.  I’ll kick in some cash.  And best to you and your district!</p>
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		<title>By: A.Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946139&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 145&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-946110&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;things come undone @ 114&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I thought he did good too! Either this debate gives him a huge boost in the polls, or GOP 30%er voters are way stranger than even I thought.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know that on Washington Journal (CSPAN), tons of calls come in on the Repub line for Paul.  It is sometimes explained away as a “campaign” tactic, but after watching this, I think the support is there with the people, however, the corporate mouthpieces will stifle it, if they can.  The Pubs(if it is a fair election - not) will be surprised at where their base really is.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Uh….it’s way too easy to make fun of these clowns but on ‘our’ side the base is being bamboozled every bit as much. Clik on thru my post about &lt;a href=&quot;http://takeaction.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/now-this-is-more-like-it/&quot;&gt;‘More of the same’&lt;/a&gt; and you will see what I mean.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-946139"><em>LS @ 145</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-946110"><em>things come undone @ 114</em></a></p>
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I thought he did good too! Either this debate gives him a huge boost in the polls, or GOP 30%er voters are way stranger than even I thought.</p>
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<p>I know that on Washington Journal (CSPAN), tons of calls come in on the Repub line for Paul.  It is sometimes explained away as a “campaign” tactic, but after watching this, I think the support is there with the people, however, the corporate mouthpieces will stifle it, if they can.  The Pubs(if it is a fair election &#8211; not) will be surprised at where their base really is.</p>
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<p>Uh….it’s way too easy to make fun of these clowns but on ‘our’ side the base is being bamboozled every bit as much. Clik on thru my post about <a href="http://takeaction.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/now-this-is-more-like-it/">‘More of the same’</a> and you will see what I mean.</p>
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