What is Rudy Giuliani’s biggest mistake? You decide…do cast your vote on this one. Huge thanks to Robert Greenwald and the Brave New Films crew.
Sat down with my cuppa coffee this morning and spotted an op-ed about the world’s most expensive ugly handbag, and then…whammo:
But no moral calculus can justify $52,500, no matter how much you’ve given to good works. This expenditure makes Judith Giuliani look frugal in her reported relationship with her Louis Vuitton purse — according to a Vanity Fair profile, she calls it Baby Louis and insists that it be accorded a separate seat on the Giulianis’ chartered jet.
There are many lessons to be found in a handbag that costs more than my childhood home.
Ex-squeeze me? Rudy Giuliani’s third wife has named her purse and demands that the damn thing has it’s own seat on the chartered plane on which it travels? After reading through the Vanity Fair profile of Dame Judi[th], I’m just sitting here aghast at the levels of high mantenance and mendacity. These people make Zsa Zsa Gabor look positively spartan.
The additional background on the dog killing for clamp demonstration portion of Judi[th]’s career will make you sick to your stomach. You have been warned. Jane talked about this last April, but this Vanity Fair discussion is even more detailed:
“Every salesperson at U.S. Surgical was trained for six weeks with dogs at Lincoln Hospital in the Bronx, and that was really brutal,” explains a former employee. “They spent days and days with dogs, taking out the spleen or stomach or the lobe of a lung. Then if the dog started moaning or fidgeted, whoever was closest would push more sedative into him from the syringe. It was horrible. Then the dog would be killed with potassium chloride.”
After training, the salespeople marketed the staplers to doctors, and, once again, in many cases large dogs were used, as they had organs comparable in size to those possessed by humans. “After the stapling, sometimes they’d put a big clamp above and below the staple lines of the dog, and fill [the area] with lots of fluid,” the ex-employee says. “It would fill up like a balloon, and the salesperson would say to the doctor, ‘See—it doesn’t leak!’ That’s how they marketed and sold the product.”…
…”Think of all the hacks and politicos who sit down and they say to Judi, ‘O.K., we’ve gone through your background, husbands, etc.,’” he muses. “‘Is there any other thing in your background, some crazy little thing, that might catch someone’s attention?’ It’s at that point you should raise your hand and say, ‘Oh, you mean when I was killing puppies?’”
The whole article is one big freak show revelation after another: the diamond-encrusted tiara from their wedding (third for each), the travelling entourage of security and sycophants, and then this creepy window of greedy entitlement and hands-on control:
The fashion insider sighs. “But the problem was the dress was a sample, and the designer’s only sample. But she was very persistent. We had almost a metaphorical tugging of the dress away!” And not just that dress. “There were a number of items she tried on she wanted. There was greed in the air. We finally brokered a deal with the designer to give her some sort of discount for the dress.”…
If Giuliani’s third wife became less popular as time went on, it was in part due to the feeling that she had a private list of Rudy loyalists she wanted fired. “The atmosphere is slippery, but not always venomous,” says one. “You just realize there’s an agenda there: she’s worming her way in so she can push you out.” Papir, for instance, was fired five years ago after word got around that he had called Judith a “princess” behind her back. …”And Tony Carbonetti too, that’s the other person Judith hates.… He would never be confrontational. His job is Rudy.” A shrug. “Anyone supportive of him, close to him—Judith wants them fired. A lot of the senior staff … She just gets furiously jealous and treats them like shit!”
Jeebus, I never thought anything would make Jeri Thompson sound positively disengaged …but I was clearly wrong. Who in the hell are these people? Lady MacBeth looks like an amateur by comparison. And who knew that Romney’s dog torture car trip could look less heinous in any way? Why on earth would anyone want them running their country?
Puts the President Bush entourage into some GOP-entitlement perspective. Party of the people, my ass.
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Christy!
Christy!
Good morning, Christy
Alright, where are my congrats! I’ll let them know downstairs about this thread, if Christy hasn’t already beaten me to it. Then back up to read the post.
Morning Christy…
Hi Christy, great post!
Really, who ARE these people?
Ann in AZ @ 1
Congrats…
remember, the position of Mrs. Ghouliani is not a permanent one, as the article mentions.
will the harridan stay on as first lady, or will there be a battle royale for the crown?
Holy guacamole.
What a set of horrible stories.
Does this mean that Giuliani is trying to wrestle the Michael Vick endorsement away from Mitt?
Hi MommaRedd,
How ya holdin’ up? Hope Peanut’s havin’ fun.
Hey. I’m thinkin’ that pocketbook earned its space just as much as the other passengers, eh?
this sign stayed up over four hours in berkeley:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..-from.html
the two one minute films will tell you everything you need to know about how to do what I do.
I can’t wait for Rudy to be the Repug nominee. It will be a very entertaining fest. Can’t wait.
Christy’s obsessed with the ugliness of that handbag. It really does represent sort of apotheosis for conspicuous consumption vulgarity.
Yeah, I really want to sit down and “have a beer” with these people.
Oy. Leona Helmsley has a soul sister.
It’s just a classy, classy bunch.
No airport indignities for Baby Louis.
Sigh…
This handbag does not face the same problems as people like me.
Does it vote too?
Jane at 13 — The damn thing just keeps popping up, and its hideousness gets worse to look at every time. But the Vanity Fair article on the Guiliani’s? Eclipses the entire conspicuous consumption idiocy altogether. Blergh. After reading the whole damn thing, I need a shower…
scarlet p. @ 11
a warning that must be heard.
I know that the NYTimes, in addition to the ones it has already done, is planning a number of exposes on Giuliani if he’s the nominee. Then there’s his nemesis Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice. Then there are the books. Plenty of ammunition.
I still don’t see Rudy getting the nomination. The battle for the Republican nomination will be nasty. Stuff like this is just the appetizer.
Call me crazy (most people do), but I can’t see either Rudy or Mitt getting the nomination. The vocal rightwingers won’t let either man take the helm. Rudy is “too liberal”, and Mitt is “too Mormon” (not to mention a serious flip-flopper) for the primary voters. Those two will keep dishing it out against each other, meaning that someone else will rise up from the ashes and get the nomination. I still believe that will be McCain. He is the default, and his age and crankiness will not deter the primary voters.
Shorter Judith Giuliani: “So sorry Rudy, my handbag has a headache.”
By the way, and OT: Christy – did you see this McClatchy piece on the Civil Rights Division at 50?
but…but…Edwards had a $400 haircut!
I still can’t understand how somebody who would pay $52,500 for a handbag would ever be able to have $52,500 to spend on a handbag.
As far as St Rudy of 9/11 I just have six words:
Abner Louima
Amadou Diallo
Patrick Dorismond
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
As long as your handbag has a separate stall. *g*
landofthefree @ 9
Are the concern trolls at the MSM outlets and others(including the tools at The Politico), gonna cover this for the next month?
landofthefree @ 20
You don’t think it’ll be Right Said Fred?
Mutant Poodle @ 28
And don’t forget Huckabee…
Of course she was Judi before she married Rudy. Now she’s “Judith.” Sorta like Larry Fishbourne before he became Laurence Fishbourne. And Judi Miller now is Judith Miller. Self-important people don’t like dimunitives.
Here’s a photo of the offending purse:
http://www.luxist.com/2007/03/…..ensive-ha/
I still love Digby’s moniker for Thompson — Frederick of Hollywood. I was using Floppy Fred (in honor of Mike Allen’s declaring him a flop at fundraising and such), but Digby’s is much, much better. *G*
Elliot, I can’t imagine how anyone with $52k to spend on a handbag would spend it on a handbag.
You could feed and house a family of four for a couple years on that.
Every time I’d look at that handbag, I’d think of homeless people desperate for something to eat. I’d think of people who are bankrupt due to medical issues, and can’t afford treatement. I couldn’t even imagine wasting money that could really help save lives on something so pointless.
The new Birkin Indigo Croc is nice.
This should be “Spotlighted”.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 31
But…he’s such a man of the people! He’s jes’ folks!
Perhaps his Gucci loafers have a separate seat on his private jet…
Biodun @ 30
but I like Fishburne, the others..
not so much
Christy:
Nietzsche said “After reading our letters, we need a bath.”
And…*sniffle*…no one noticed my cattily placed “ex-squeeze me.” I have to say, it’s gone to the top of my mwahahahaha writing list.
John Dean does it again. Part 1 of a three part series.link
Biodun @ 7
Thanks, Biodun!
I just wanted to tell Christy, I watched an interview of some purse designer on some show the other day. The interviewer asked the designer if he could define the difference between the $150 purse and the $350-$500 purses, and he babbled on about the quality of the materials and the workmanship would be better for the more expensive purses. I couldn’t help but reflect on how much possible difference there could be between his $500 purse and my $30 purse. I’m sure there’s not $470 worth of difference, so essentially, your paying for the status the name offers. What a ripoff!
Where is our modern-day equivalent of Thorsten Veblen? Thorsten Veblen Biography
Jane Hamsher @ 13
Jane, I love that last sentence. Christy, thanks for posting this. Have been trying to get people to pay attention to Mrs. G. With all the traction that the Vick story got, I’m disgusted that the MSM hasn’t been all over this one about Mrs. G.’s former antics. Feels vaguely familiar to the MSM’s behavior before the 2000 elections.
I first met Mrs. Nathan (her then name) in 1995. Had a closeup view of that divorce, custody battle etc.
Have been aware from the outset that there was little truth in any public info on the latest wife. However, she does have Barbara Walters fooled!
There is no way to exaggerate what the Rudy/Judy show would mean for all of us. If they make it to the White House, our dream of a democratic country where integrity is valued……will be a sad caricature.
People need to wake up. This is serious. Am traveling at the moment and the lack of accurate info about Rudy is startling. He’s a mean, vindicative sort who is, in many ways, more self destructive than Dubya. And oh yes, he’s the ultimate profiteer from 9/11.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
You cracked me up! does that count for a little, even if I didn’t mention it out right?
Nah, I don’t think Fredrick of Hollywood is ready for primetime. He’s stepping in it already, he is not up to speed on the issues, and I think his star will fade by the time Mrs. Giuliani is purchasing $1000 French champagne for her hideous purse to drink for New Year’s Eve.
Huckabee might have a shot, too. I still think McCain will make a McComeback. People like his feistiness (when they don’t realize he’s just really an asshole behind the scenes). They like his war record. They like his experience. I see him down now, like Kerry was at this time before the ‘04 contest. He’ll rise up and be the McComeback Kid. He’d actually be the toughest candidate on the Republican side, IMO. The Republicans will really go after “electability” and a “tough guy who will keep us safe from
exaggeratedterror threats.”BTW, Christy:
It’s Giuliani. Trust me on this one…*g*
Elliott @ 37
And what do they all have in common? Apocalypse Now! Larry for the movie and everyone else for a hand in the downfall of western civilization.
anyone watching the bridge hearings on cspan 3?
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..p;Code=CS3
Is this the Judith for whom Rudi moved the emergency command and control center to the World Trade Center (despite the fact the WTC had already been a terrorist target)so he would have a place within easy walking distance where he could bang her? Is it that Judith?
O/T, Our Classy Presidunce:
“GEORGE Bush is a man who likes a short sentence. Which is not to say the President of the United States reduces ideas to bite-sized chunks. Or maybe it is.
Either way, during the course of his first 24 hours in Sydney, there were plenty of efficient exclamations. Like the exchange on the tarmac as Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile inquired how things were going in Iraq. “We’re kicking ass,” he declared.”
I don’t think the people supporting Giuliani care about anything other than the myth that Rudy would somehow save them from terrorists. They want the meanest baddass person as president, because they have been terrorized by the “there’s a terrorist coming to a neighborhood near you any moment” propaganda. It is really that simple – they have lost their minds.
That is one ugly purse! Whomever be the lady that would wear that purse would carry her aesthetic in her arse.
Hey, some guys name their unit, how come she can’t name her. . .oh you said purse. Never mind.
johnSwifty:
Easy…
hackworth @ 32
God, that is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. 52K, there’s a sucker born every minute.
Hugh @ 49
Yup.
Biodun @ 54
You’re right; a true apocalypse would be much more consuming than mere western civilazation. But if you can spend 52k on a purse, there really isn’t much more for this society to accomplish, is there?
raven @ 53
That’s just…wrong.
Here’s my favorite part of the Vanity Fair piece:
landofthefree @ 33
if i think seriously about this now, the additional outrage and frustration (i’m also listening to the HJC hearing on FISA) my head will just explode.
p.s. i learned from getting purses on ebay from earlier discussions here… got a great looking old BDB leather bag for $18.
landofthefree @ 45
McCain will still have to explain this lovely moment:
http://themoderatevoice.com/wo…..sh_hug.jpg
Maybe he’ll just insist he’s NOT GAY.
oh gawd. That bag IS one ugly m***f***er. I too read that Ruth Marcus op-ed this a.m., and dropped my jaw at the hideous photo.
And why, one might ask, are the Shitstream Media buzzards that devoured every last ounce of flesh from John Edwards’ $400 haircut not swarming in droves over Mrs. Ghoul’s $52K purse??
raven @ 54
707!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
Oh, I noticed :-) But just catching up after coming in to work.
I googled up the bag. It is HIDEOUS. I mean jeebus christ…
Hugh @ 49
IIRC, Judi was living uptown, in the Upper East Side. WTC was downtown.
Mutant Poodle @ 58
RatherGood, actually. As in: Doo doo be doo doo, but it’s a little early in the morning for that.
Mutant Poodle @ 58
Gotta try to keep things loose on the Lake.
johnSwifty @ 66
It ain’t morning here.
hackworth @ 31
I’m going to stick my neck out: I actually sorta like the bag. Worth the money? Heck no. But at least it is a creative idea: at least it’s got a vision behind it.
selise: thanks for the hearing link
hackworth @ 31
Man, that is hideous!
$50 thou for a handbag is obscene. It was butt ugly too.
Not long ago the Mpls Star Tribune had an article about $60,000 mattresses. Most people would rather have $60 thou under a mattress.
I bet she can fit a lot of food in that purse, for handouts to the homeless.
raven @ 68
Really? Where is ‘here’ for you?
BobbyG @ 50
ALL the pundits assured us that a twelve year old boy would be a fine President. (Though he be incompetent), he would surround himself with competent people.
Dumb question: where do the Giulianis get their money from? He’s been a lifelong public servant, right, apart from his last several years on the talking head circuit? Does his wife have family money or is she a corporate executive? It can’t just be from his speaking and consulting fees, can it?
Boy, maybe I should switch party affiliations and devote myself to public service… seems like the easiest way to become a multimillionaire these days, without doing anything or creating any value for anybody.
johnSwifty @ 73
That would be Athens, GA! It’s High Noon.
landofthefree @ 45
Actually, I don’t think people like him nearly as much as they use to, especially as he keeps making mistakes like calling a kid a “little creep” for asking if he’s too old to be running for president. I think his chances are gone and forgotten, and rightly so.
So who’s left if we don’t include Rudy, Mitt, Mike Huckabee or Freddy. Brownback?
mc, I think that McCain’s dismissve “go Cheney yourself” moment at that high school the other day will help his “macho” image. I assume you heard about how he called a student a “little punk”, and then mocked another who asked about gay marriage. That is precisely the kind of behaivor I’ve seen from McCain – he’s a bully, a meanspirited man who can turn on the charm for the cameras, but his nasty side oozes out at times. The media thougt it was just delightful in the last election. I expect the media to get whipped up like Vitter in his diapers with the notion of a “McCain comeback”. It just seems far more likely than a Huckabee love-fest or Return Of The Newt to save their party.
punaise @ 72
she probably does fill it with food, just not for the homeless.
johnSwifty @ 73
Georgia. Athens. Right, raven? I do pay attention.
Elliott @ 79
Cake, undoubtedly.
hackworth @ 74
I remember my first 24 hours in Sydney. . .sort of.
Maybe she needs to trade it in on One of these and show that she is one of the “Folks.”
To be fair to Judi[th] Giuliani, I don’t think the handbag featured in the WaPo op-ed is the same LV handag that she owns, just from contextual details in both articles — the 52K handbag hasn’t been shipped to anyone as yet and, thus, wouldn’t have needed a separate seat on any airline just yet. Just FYI…
Biodun @ 80
Yea, I’ve lived in Champaign-Urbana and here since 69, the real world is over-rated.
Hugh @ 49
Rudy does what Judith says…he has a submissive addiction that Judith knows just how to soothe.
remember: it fell off the back of a truck.
raven @ 76
Damn! The morning is getting away from me again! You see how you are FDL! You see how you are! I go in for a few minutes and you turn into hours! I’m going back to worldnetdaily. Time almost stands still over there (Dunbar loved skeet shooting because he hated it so much).
It seems that a not insignificant segment of Americans might actually dream of being Leona Helmsley – or at least basking in the authoritarian glow of such a luminous ego. Kill a dog. Make a dog a millionaire. Whatever. As long as the little people are forced to treat someone like royalty, you partake of the romance of Queen Bitchy.
Blub @ 75
Rudy has made/is making tons of money since he left office. Tons of it. Two companies: financial consulting. Securites. Lots of contracts. Speaking fees on the speaking circuit.
Blub @ 75
Rudy cashed in on his 9/11 cache – so much so that he couldn’t be bothered to show up for the Iraq Study Group meetings and was, essentially, fired.
johnSwifty @ 88
You oughta login at 5am Eastern. Trex leaves em laughing.
hackworth @ 31
That is the ugliest purse I have ever seen. For some reason I was imagining something a tad more elegant and tasteful. Silly me.
you know, they better come up with a candidate that has a chance
mitt…he’s a mormon and I believe they think someone else is their savior besides Christ…that ain’t gonna fly no way no how
guiliani…he’s a cross dressing draq queen now trying to climb back in the closet
mccain…I don’t understand this one, they hate him and he really was their best candidate but now he’s got no shot
so who will they field?
/me no know but it aing gonna be one of these guys
unless of course cheney resigns…then the president will make good his promise, put mccain in office, then he will resign and then mccain will have a shot as the uncumbant
that’s gotta happen like immediately for it to have a shot though
The complete title for that purse, according to the link hackworth gave, is “Louis Vuitton Tribute Patchwork Bag”. When you read the spokesperson’s description at the link, though, it all makes sense: “It takes all the best parts of the season’s creations and rolls them into one. We are confident that the bag is utterly exclusive and that it will remain so.”
It’s a metaphor for the “Rudy McRomney” act in the GOP, don’t you think? And yes, that makes it the ugliest purse in existence.
perris @ 94
Fredrick of Hollywood
raven @ 68
Raven, are you aware that the link to your website is not working?
Biodun @ 90
Geeeesh. So you CAN get rich by doing nothing at all, without having to inherit a dime. It sounds like we really all should become rethugs and go become public servants, if that’s what it takes to get in on this scam. This sounds better than.. and frankly a lot more fun than.. winning the lottery.. Actually, it’s about the same thing.
Peterr @ 94
Some companies could package shit and some consumers would pay a lot of money for it. Same goes for political parties.
you know, the best chance these guys have is bloomberg
would he run as a republican if they court his candidacy?
Biodun @ 65
My understanding was that the center was within walking distance of the Mayor’s office. Where Judi lived was I think never the issue.
johnSwifty @ 88
I have this problem too.
Mr Oddmommy, who is not much given to lecturing, was on my case this morning about WHY I don’t get enough sleep…
punaise, mon vieux, tu es la?
Ann in AZ @ 97
That’s good because I don’t have a website! I do have a facebook but I always forget to login to the lake so it’s not always visible.
must go to work…fdl for president..community president are us
(sighhhh) their sense of entitlements is limitless….i for one dont understand how people vote for these characters….
OK.. I have to say this. I hope Mitt can whoop this thug good in the rethug primary… not because I like Mitt — frankly, I think he’s evil, but I’m sick of these do-nothing rethugs.. Rudy, Fred, whatever. At least Mitt has achieved something in his life other than trashing the lives of fellow Americans.
Biodun @ 103
o, chouette! we’re all workin’ for the clampdown now…
Hugh @ 101
I don’t think Rudi ever banged Judi either in the mayor’s office or at the WTC Emergency Command Center…*g*
OT just slightly:
Fredericks of Hollywood (the lingerie company) is a Buy Blue company. I always buy my undies gifts from them.
Victoria’s Secret is Red like Fred.
So Judith is a BagLady! If she wants to blow her money on something so stupid let her. And let her explain it the the public that right now is nervous about the housing market, trying to pay for kids’ tuition, the cost of gasoline, etc… . It makes her look like a fool and her husband Number Three too!
And the bag referenced was only $45,000, so I am curious how much more stupid her’s looks like.
Blub @ 107
shouldn’t we from hence and forward be calling him “mutt” romney
yup
hackworth @ 74
Gotta love this, too:
“…people who don’t believe we should be in Iraq in the first place, there’s no political reconciliation that can take place to justify your opinion. If you don’t think Iraq is important, if you don’t think it matters what the society looks like there, then there’s not enough amount of reconciliation that will cause people to say, great, it’s working. If you believe like I believe, that the security of the United States and the peace of the world depend upon a democracy in the Middle East and Iraq, then you can see progress. And I’m seeing it…”
[emphases mine]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..04-10.html
He believes what he believes, ergo he sees progress regarding which the rest of us are blind.
Motherfucker is clinical.
Here are some shoes to go with that purse.
from:
amazedme.com/labels/amazing pics.html
Most expensive shoes: 1 million pounds
Would you feel like a princess or what when you wear something worth 1m pounds? The most expensive shoes in the world were on sale at Harrods in London. After a photo-call for the press, the shoes were locked away in a bullet-proof case where they will be guarded round-the-clock. The shoes, inspired by the ruby slippers from The Wizard of Oz, were woven from platinum thread and set with 642 rubies. They were designed by Stuart Weitzman.
OT – Bob Barr has a good column on another US Attorney story. This one involves the UN Oil for Food program and a Bush critic.
HERE
From CNN:
AZ Matt @ 110
As stupid as The Emperor’s New Clothes did on him.
OT — AHHHHHHH!!
B-52 mistakenly carried nuclear warheads on U.S. flight, military paper reports
from Americas – International Herald Tribune
A B-52 bomber was mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads during a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana, a newspaper reported Wednesday.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..rheads.php
punaise: here’s another frere for Sarko:
raven1 @ 116
he.. ’tis prolly a dress rehearsal for the ‘accidental’ bombing of Iran ;P
raven1 @ 116
wasn’t there a kos diary that was pretty scary about some subways getting shut down for no reason as if they were performing some kind of unanounced enhancements?
I don’t have the link but if anyone remembers it, I wonder if that is somehow connected to this…does anyone remember where that was going on?
insulting France in fluent French…
Lovely. De-lovely. Zut alors!
Biodun @ 65
The “emergency center” was easy walking distance from his office in city hall. And set up with “amenities” not usually found in emergency centers such as private bath and bedroom iirc.
on the lighter side, if anyone else here is a lifelong devotee of I Love Lucy like I am, the whole LV bag thing kind of reminds me of that episode when they are in Paris, the one where Lucy wants an outfit by the ultrachic French designer Jacques Marcel and Ricky makes her one out of a horse’s feed bag and a burlap sack…which the designer then copies.
Re: Republic Presidential candidates
It appears that Tom Tancredo is aiming for the compassionate conservative vote:
“Longshot GOP presidential candidate Tom Tancredo (R-Col.) called for an end to federal funding for New Orleans recovery efforts and accused the government of runaway spending on Hurricane Katrina.
Tancredo said Friday it is “”time the taxpayer gravy train left the New Orleans station,” citing the government figure of $114 billion spent on Gulf Coast storm relief. “Enough is enough,” he said, aiming to cut future recovery funding requests to New Orleans.
(snip)
Up to this point, Tancredo has gained national notoriety for his vitriolic anti-immigrant rhetoric, but this kind of “equal opportunity” racism must certainly raise his credentials as a bona fide compassionate conservative.
Like our sitting president, he’s now proven that he’s presidential material since he clearly doesn’t care about Black people.”
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/61668/#more
Is Rudy’s daughter still stumping for Obama?
Blub @ 126
possibly yearning for obama’s stump?
sorry…I could not possibly resist,,,I had to go there…sorry
raven1 @ 115
Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick. The bumbling bugf*ckery never ceases.
It’s just amazing to compare somebody like the Third Mrs. Rudy to a true class act like the wonderful (and sadly, now late) Jane Tomlinson:
dakine01 @ 123
Begs the question, “What’s the emergency?”
If it lasts more than four hours, call your doctor…or Judi.
Blub @ 98
Speaking fees @ $100K per AND contracts with both sides of conflicts can raise large amounts of dollars quite quickly and easily. Ethics shemthics.
The rich are not like us.
mack @ 132
the rich do not like us.
JF @ 115
Here’s the part of the article that let’s you know it’s true.
Bush and Casey negotiated with Iran in 1980 to keep Americans hostage until Reagan was sworn in.
Here, he’s attacking someone for trying to rescue American’s in Iraq, Americans whom, had they been kept captive, could have been used for propaganda purposes by the Bush administration:
[I]t appears Wyatt’s fate was sealed in the eyes of the federal government when he dared to stand up to the first Bush administration in 1990. He dealt directly with Saddam Hussein to rescue 22 American hostages being held in Iraq as “human shields.” The administration pushed hard to keep the Texas wildcatter from embarking on his rescue mission (which was ultimately a success). When he proceeded in spite of this pressure, it was reported at the time that Wyatt’s efforts left the White House “furious.”
———————
Another fine example of the Bush family supporting the troops.
mc @ 125
(R-Ninth Circle of Hell)
Try listening to his bloodcurdling “preserving white culture and civilization” speeches. He’s outright stated that we must limit brown-people LEGAL immigration because too much will erode “our culture”. Tom Tancredo is about as evil as a person can come in American politics these days.. he goes out of his way to appeal to the worst in our society. In Germany, he’d be in jail.
punaise @ 133
The rich don’t know who we are.
punaise @ 133
The rich like us with a bernaise sauce.
OT…
Breaking: Rep Gillmor (R-OH) Dies
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..r-oh-dies/
$52K for an ugly purse? That’s over a hundred times the cost of the haircuts John Edwards got, yet we won’t hear anywhere near the media hue and cry over this purse.
Neither will we hear about the fact Rudy (and in fact most of the GOP candidates) is richer than “rich man” Edwards.
Biodun @ 19
I don’t get it. Shouldn’t the expose’s come BEFORE nomination? So the horrible error of nominating a bad person could be avoided?
I just don’t understand “journalists’” thinking today. (see previous thread below)
I am not the least bit fascinated with the life of the rich and famous. Give me regular people any day of any week.
james @ 137
That would be the “good gravy” part of this post’s title, right?
You know, I happen to know a number of wealthy people who do a lot of good with their money — self-made or inherited. And it’s neither fair nor accurate to say that all rich people are the same. Some are generous and some are greedy little shits. I’m just saying…
Steve-AR @ 138
I don’t care how we increase our majority at this point.
Steve-AR @ 138
I hate to get straight to bussiness but is there a chance he’s replaced with a democrat?
OMG! That is the ugliest purse I have ever seen. Now wonder why she wants a separate seat for it–so nobody knows it’s hers. That’s it. When I go home tonite I am going to staple all my little coin purses to a purse and book a flight for two.
punaise @ 133
Judith Giuliani is obviously very different from most Americans, but that’s true of the rich who control the Republic Party. Their goals are to further enrich themselves. That’s a problem for them because most people aren’t rich and don’t share the same self interests.
Republics solved this dilema by claiming to be the Party of Jesus. Since that’s just an election ploy, Republics only have to pretend to pray every couple of years. Too bad that it’s worked so well for them.
TexBetsy @ 118
Betsy, I just know you’ll like this one:
punaise @ 133
Christy Hardin Smith @ 143
I’m specifically referring to the ones who like us with the sauce that DOESN’T have any lumps. (as in lumpenproletariat).
Elliott @ 24
see: elimination of “death tax”-#1 priority
james @ 144
Anyone know about OH-5?
If the Republican Party nominates Guiliani, I want an official apology from the party for every mean thing they ever said about Bill Clinton’s wife. Or about Bill Clinton’s adultery. Seriously. If they nominate a serial adulterer after impeaching Bill Clinton, I want some sort of retraction or apology or admission by the GOP that adultery, and prevarication about adultery, is now ok. Alternatively, I would accept a statement that if President Guliani resumes his adulterous ways, he will be subjected to the same penalty as Bill Clinton.
Blub @ 126
She took her Facebook down after MSM came out with the news.
killing puppies? Bill Frist used to adopt cats from the shelter & dissect them..it’s out in print somewhere…I know a lot of crazy surgeons (a stressed out resident, son & grandson of surgeons, would smear his hands with hamburger grease & practice knots with his eyes closed) but Frist still takes the cake
Phoenix Woman @ 129
A little factoid FWIW: The first couple of “Ironman” triathlons were held on Oahu in the late ’70s. IIRC, the 2.4 mile open ocean swim was because it was 2.4 miles across the opening of Honolulu Bay and the 112 miles for the bike ride was because of the 112 miles paved roads around Oahu. Then the standard Honolulu Marathon course…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 143
I think it’s the very old money that hates the middle class, I believe they think there even is a middle class because of them
what they don’t understand or refuse to acknowledge is that they are as wealthy as they are BECAUSE of the middle class not inspite of it
never the less, the amount of wealth to them is not as important as the differance in wealth…they would rather there be a great devide and they should have less then an equality and they should have more
there are also the “reagan wealthy” that have been told they are supposed to keep all that they aquire without paying back into the society that gave them their wealth
so there are those two kinds of wealth that want to keep it all withuot paying the rent they owe for all they have
cleter @ 153
Interestingly, Mike Huckabee has said much the same thing, but in a gentler way.
fair enough, Christy, but those broad sweeping generalities are soooo tempting. :~)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
Hey Christy, I noticed — but must confess, on reading the rest of the post, it slipped my mind. *g*
Hi raven, betsy, christy, and gang:
Raven whaddaya think the chances were that Bush baby was moving those little critters down to Louisiana so they’d be more accessible to the Bay of Pigs crazies and their spawn to be used in a final attack against Castro.
That might be the only thing that will help with the Hispanic vote in ‘08 for the American wing of the Nazi Party.
Hey, OT – on the SJC Fis hearing webcast, Maxine Waters up now.
ok, really got to go and get some work done, must at least try to pay some bills today
c all L8tr
cleter @ 153
Gee, you sound like Mike Huckabee; he is on record as saying if Rudy or Freddie of Hollywood or McCain or Newt get the nom, there will be large numbers of apologies due to the Clintons because of the hypocrisy.
tejanarusa @ 162
watching now: this is good stuff
Christy Hardin Smith @ 143
I agree, and I think it’s unfair to people of wealth to fault them as a class for Rudy’s actions (or those of his wife). Rudy was not born rich. Nor did he earn his money through trade, commerce or the practice of a profession. He obtained what wealth he has by exploiting one of the worst tragedies in American city in the most brazenly cynical way imagineable. This makes him a profiteer — the socioeconomic equivalent of a malarial mosquito.
Judith reminds me of the girls on My Super Sweet Sixteen – only at age 16 you can almost overlook the narcissism & arrogance of youth.
which cspan? 1 2 3?
Diane @ 167
Or simply HOPE they grow out of it?
Speaking fees @ $100K per AND contracts with both sides of conflicts can raise large amounts of dollars quite quickly and easily. Ethics shemthics.
The Abramoff, Delay, Ralph Reed Texas Indian Cas*no plot was played to perfection.
First, they screwed the Indians out of their cas*nos with a ballot initiative that induced Texas pearl- clutching Christian winger fundies to vote to outlaw all cas*nos in Texas – especially the ones on Indian Reservations.
Then they went to the Indians and offered to help them get their cas*nos back if the Indians paid them. The Indians were then bilked out of millions of dollars. Then they all (on record) yukked it up about how stupid and gullible the Indians were. Republican business as usual.
~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~
OK, dentist time……aaaarrrgggghhhhh!
See y’all later.
TexBetsy @ 169
Which most likely won’t happen. Instead, they’ll grow up to be Paris Hilton or Jenna and Not-Jenna.
cleter @ 153
I can hear the Republics now: It wasn’t the adultery. It was the perjury. Rudy has never lied under oath about being an adulterer. He’s our guy and the WH has many bedrooms.
james @ 170
good luck
OT..
OH-5 R 10.1
dakine01 @ 171
Yes but SOME 16 yr olds grow to be more mature and less self-centered.
Phoenix Woman @ 139
But what about Rudy’s cleavage?
oddmommy @ 62
Umm, having read Marcus’s piece, but not the Vanity Fair, with Marcus saying the identity of the DC purchaser is not known, are we sure the LV patched up horror is the same one Mrs Rudy III treats like a spoiled child?
It may say so in the Vanity Fair piece, but it isn’t clear from the excerpts. And Is Mrs. Rudy III a Washingtonian already?
Just askin’. The dog history is more than enough for me to form my opinion of this woman…but I like to ‘hate’ people with accuracy.
Froomkin WaPo live chat @ 1:00
The hell with you guys; y’all aint right…
John Edwards got 2 $200 haircuts, and that’s what counts. :o)
TexBetsy @ 175
Those 16 year olds will generally be showing that maturity AT 16. Kinda like your niece…
james @ 161
I dunno, they can deliver that shit so rickey-tic it doesn’t really matter does it?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
TexBetsy @ 176
And of whom are you speaking, Betsy? *g*
tejanarusa @ 178
As Christy pointed out above, Mrs Rudy’s bag is not in fact the one shown in the Post op-ed. Mea wronga.
I’m a lover of accuracy, myself.
Readers of this website should not expect puke voters to be sane. They have no connection to sanity. Fifty million pukes voted for Bush, twice! Once is bad enough, but twice? By the time November 2008 gets around, the beltway whores will have convinced most that Judy in the reincarnation of Mother Teresa. And, what a great First Lady she will make!
punaise @ 182
I don’t want to be disrespectful but the Repubs are dropping like flies – in one way or another. The stress must be getting to them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 84
Thanks, Christy, for the clarification.
oddmommy – re ugly bag and Christy clarifying — I just can’t type fast enogh to beat MsReddHedd’s noticing what’s needed. *g*
I wonder if Rudy had it all to do over again, would he have tried to prevent 911?
The bluebloods are howling!
Blub @ 107
I hope the weakest possible candidate wins, whoever that is!
Joe D. @ 186
speaking of Mother T, Michael Gerson actually had a halfway decent piece about her today, also in the Post. How ’bout that.
perris @ 145
There’s a donkey by Ted Strickland’s name if that means anything, I don’t know if Governors choose Representative replacements like they would for Senators. But a modicum of good taste dictates that some respect be paid to Mr. Gillmor’s service. If it is confirmed the man has past, his family will grieve like any other.
Ann in AZ @ 192
That’s why I want Rudi to win the nomination.
tejan — As I said earlier in the thread, I don’t think Marcus was saying that Judy Giuliani bought that particular handbag — nor is that what I said.
SJC – Paraphrase
If our country had James Comey as Attorney General, we’d feel like our rights were being protected. James Comey is a hero.
Biodun @ 195
Conversely, that’s why the Republicans think they want Hillary.
johnSwifty:
I read your response at the bottom of the last thread re: Pawlenty. That men’s room is already a tourist attraction. Interesting. I’ve been in there a few times before its new fame…just to pee…*g*
Link to Froomkin chat
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..newsletter
Video is up of Mccain callimg a child a jerk and then adding, “You are drafted”. Wonder what that means?
Christy,
What punaise said.
Honestly, I am more concerned with how someone makes their money than how they spend it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 196
Oh, Christy, I’m sorry–didn’t think it was what you said, I was just getting confused. And unfortunately, I was typing my question when your clarification appeared, I think. Sorry if the implication was that you caused my confusion.
Was this Gillmore closeted?
Biodun @ 199
I’m sure I’ve been in there over a dozen times. Who knew it came with perks? I can be so obtuse, when the hand showed up under the stall, I just gave ‘em some terlet paper.
OT, but OMFG
Biodun @ 90
Yeah, just what we need, another rich jerk who will feel the need to go make “a lot of money” after trying to survive on a $400,000 presidential salary.
Biodun @ 199
Imagine what you were missing…
On second thought, don’t.
brendan @ 204
No. Just dead.
peanutbutter @ 206
Just wow. It’s good to know that there was no danger at any time /off snark
brendan @ 204
No,in the bathroom.
Having now seen a photo of “The Purse”, I have to hand it to Mr. Vuitton. Not only must he be wetting himself laughing at having convinced women with more money than brains to carry the ugly things – but they’re paying megabucks for the privilege!
Brava!, Mr. Vuitton. You deserve a PT Barnum award!
Blub @ 120
Or NOLA. That’d be one way to make the whole mess go away. Oops!
Sewmouse @ 212
Does it come with a great egress?
Ann in AZ @ 213
That’s what I thought…
hackworth @ 31
Gosh, if it’s 15 purses in one, then that’s only a paultry $3,000 or so for each compartment. Such a deal for so much ugly.
Some years back, I developed a theory based on a $25,000 electric lime green mens suede fringe jacket.
Such items are advertisments that the wearer has money to piss away and serve as an invitation to those who want to attach themselves to said money.
Sort of an high cost solicitation of prostitution.
The uglier and more conspicuous the better.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 143
Someone who has a $52,000 purse and insists on the purse having its own seat on the private jet just strikes me as the type of wealthy person who might want to take a moment to consider what good they could do with some of their spare change. But, perhaps that’s just me being a snide, judgemental not-wealthy person.
HJC: the witnesses are debating each other
johnSwifty:
That gay code was news to me too…*g*
In general, I only provide snack food for the late night crowd, but this is the absolutely perfect cake for this thread. Yes it IS a cake. Enjoy!
HJC: congresspeople using children as examples
they are learning how to play the game
anne @ 218
linky?
You can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear, but Louis Vuitton can cut up old purses and make a Luis Vuitton patchwork purse that retails for $50K. What will we teach our children? Or, is our children learning?
That is one offensive piece of merchandise. Can hardly believe someone got paid to design that crap, let alone spend money to buy it. Ugh.
TexBetsy @ 221
Wow! Louis Vuitton and everything!
TexBetsy @ 223
http://judiciary.house.gov/
just scroll down to the ‘live webcast’ in the today’s schedule section
Redshift @ 226
The cakemaker did a fantastic job. Too cute.
Just as an aside, on the Congressman who just passed away, let’s not descend into some sort of purile ooze, shall we? Not saying we have…just making sure we don’t head south. Consider this a preemptive plea for civility. Thanks.
Fresh thready goodness, up and running for everyone.
Thanks to hackworth @ 31 for the link to photo of the HANDBAG.
Why in God’s name would anyone spend even 50 cents on it? It’s hard to imagine the level of discourse one might expect from someone who would want to carry such a thing around in public. A brown paper bag would be more elegant.
Well, in all fairness, for Judith Giuliani to insist on her stupid handbag to have its own seat on the family’s chartered fucking jet *does* mean that’s one fewer seat for some ass-kissing authoritarian fantasist to share with The Mayor Of 9/11.
On the other hand, the “I’ll top that!” aspect of the cruelty-to-animals stories from Romney/Giuliani does seem like an all-too-easily-understood cavalier attitude about respecting the dignity of anyone or anything else, though that may be a feature rather than a bug for the GOP primary voters.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 229
Thanks for this, Christy. I was hoping you’d post about it…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 229
Thanks Christy! We need to be better than the other side in all ways.
There are lots of “industries” that cater to the rich and shallow (and make lots of money doing it). The thing that boggles my mind isthat Judith Giuliani has NO understanding of how voters will react to this. “What!? THIS is the oblivious, materialistic,shallowbimbo Giuliani brought into the Governor’s Mansion while his wife was still living there???” Then again, she may just not care, which also tells us something about Giuliani.
posey @ 235
Please pardon the correction…
Good grief. That post doesn’t look anything like the one I posted. My nom is POSEY, not DOSEY, and someone sprinkled a few extra question marks around.
dakine01, thanks for the reminder that Giuliani was mayor, not governor, but I’d appreciate a response rather than a direct, public edit. Another option (for the extra question marks) would have been an accurate posting of what I wrote.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 229
Too late, Debbie Schlusselupuggus has already blamed the Islamo-fascists.
Just kidding.
-GSD
I am not certain, but House seats seem to be filled by elections and not appointment by Governors.
I would imagine that a special election will be scheduled by Governor Strickland.
-GSD
but…but…I LIKE the compulsive cross-dressing. It’s the only thing that makes the man likeable.
posey — What browser are you using? Sometimes folks using Opera have interface issues and extra characters get inserted like that. Same if you compose in a Microsoft word processor and then paste into the comment window — imbedded code comes along for the ride and then shows up as ghost characters.
No idea if either applies to you, but just in case, I thought I’d throw that out for you to see it.
Good Gravy, Who Are These People?
Fascist whackos that hate everyone, themselves included.
perris @ 157
My milage differs with your considered opinion, those of “old” wealth are some of the most secure and non-threatening genuine people you are likely to meet.
It is the nouveau riche, beginning with the wealth accumulated after the civil war, including the likes of Rockefellers, Morgans, Vanderbilts, etc. (who spent in ways to “prove” their wealth – refer to Thorsten Veblin’s opus), that arrogance and “class distain” enters into the picture, mostly built on insecurity of position and questionable source of that wealth.
That has not changed to present day accumulations of wealth and how it was obtained. What you describe is the newest (and least secure) of the nouveau riche who have to distance themselves from their origins (as well as from their means of obtaining that wealth).
Please examine quite carefully this “yardstick” you use called wealth. In economic terms, wealth is merely the accumulated un-consumed products of participation in the economic process and in itself is economically healthy. What is not economically healthy is the abduction of economic resources into a few hands, a plutocracy that becomes entrenched and selfserving.
In history, no king or kingdom ever survived having entities (nobles) controlling any significant position of power. Only the advent of great, self-perpetuating wealth in America has allowed this to occure and the result is what you are beginning to see, the coupe de e’tat that has killed the American Republic.
How’s that for EPU’d
Phoenix Woman @ 129
If you were riding in a private plane with Rudolph Giuliani, would you want an empty seat next to you?
Personally, I’d want my bag to have a seat too.
Next time some wing nut asks Edwards about his haircut he should just say “At least my wife doesn’t require seat on a chartered jet for “Baby Louis”, her $3000 handbag.”
posey — What browser are you using? Sometimes folks using Opera have interface issues and extra characters get inserted like that. Same if you compose in a Microsoft word processor and then paste into the comment window — imbedded code comes along for the ride and then shows up as ghost characters.
No idea if either applies to you, but just in case, I thought I’d throw that out for you to see it.
Thanks for the suggestion, Christy. Nope, I’m on Internet Explorer, and I typed my comment directly into the comment box. I can’t wait to see how this one turns out. It must be my system, though, because the other comments look fine (unless dakine01 is editing them too).
mc @ 14
Watch out for the hemlock!
oddmommy @ 62
I think it’s because they’ve either been paid off or they’ve bought into some mythology where Rudy has to be the successor.
And, now that the Bush mafia has taken how many trillion dollars from DoD and Baghdad, will they continue to dominate American politicians and the press?
The problem (if you want to see it that way) is there really isn’t any part of the mythology which is meant to continue after George. It was all just part of a sales pitch meant to get him into power. After he leaves they’re out in the cold on their own again (the American Republicans that is).
semiot @ 89
Little Bootsie?
punaise @ 183
Condolences to his family.
Did he have a wife & kids?
This entitlement BS has exactly the same effect on me that biting down on a nice wad of aluminum foil does… I’ve often said that if I ever win the Powerball lottery and someone spots me buying a pair of thousand dollar shoes, I hope they wrestle them from my grasp and beat me to death with them.
Lower Manhattanite at the Group News Blog (and late of Gilly’s) has written extensively about the long knives being sharpened in New York especially for sweet Rudy should he actually win the nomination. I hope to God he’s right. Didn’t someone once say that you should never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel?