Sen. Harkin speaking about the importance of the rule of law at the ACLU’s rally for habeas rights.
Yesterday afternoon, I spoke with Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa discussing his proposed legislation on closing the Guantanamo detention facility. We talked for quite a while about the Bush Administration’s utter disregard for the rule of law and for the human rights principles that America has championed for years. Our nation’s standing in the world has suffered for it – and it is going to take enormous efforts to rebuild our relationships with allies and our nation’s reputation. It is going to be a very long road back from the Bush years.
As Sen. Harkin said to me, it is well past time that America “stepped back from operating outside the rule of law,” and lived up to our values instead of hypocritically becoming the very thing we say we fight against.
Sen. Harkin is currently working with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and a number of others, including Senators Christopher Dodd (D-CT), Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Barack Obama (D-IL), and Dick Durbin (D-IL), on an amendment to the next defense bill, requiring closure of Gitmo and the transfer of prisoners held therein to facilities where they could receive a fair and full trial on any charges that ought to have been filed years ago, if at all.
Sen. Harkin needs some help, though, in pushing this legislation further down the road of consideration — so please contact your Senators and ask them to support S. 1469 as it moves through the Senate Armed Services Committee and into the full Senate.
Further, let your Senators know that whomever is nominated as the next Attorney General, the nominee must commit to supporting closure of Guantanamo. You can push that along by signing this petition for Sen. Harkin. The next Attorney General must be someone who is committed to the rule of law — not to a unilateral executive who can violate the law at will. As Sen. Harkin said to me, it is impossible for the next AG to support the rule of law and indefinite detention at Guantanamo without a full, fair trial. The Kafka-esque treatment of these prisoners held in all of our names must end, because the damage being done to the reputation of the US, and the negative impact on our ability to fight the root causes of terrorism, are making us less safe.
This is personal for Sen. Harkin, who worked as a staffer on the Hill uncovering atrocities on Con Son Island in Vietnam, and American complicity in that torture and inhumane treatment:
…“As a young staffer on the Hill, I helped to expose the tiger cages at Con Son Island, where Viet Cong and North Vietnamese prisoners, as well as civilian opponents of the war, were being held incommunicado, tortured and killed with the full knowledge and sanction of the U.S. government. I believe there are disturbing parallels between what transpired on Con Son Island nearly four decades ago and what has happened at Guantanamo in recent years.
In both cases, prisons were deliberately set up on remote islands to limit scrutiny and restrict access. In both cases, detainees were not classified as prisoners of war, expressly to deny them the protections of the Geneva Conventions. In both cases, detainees were deprived of any right to due process, judicial review, or a fair trial. And in both cases, when the mistreatment of detainees was exposed, the United States was accused of hypocrisy, of betraying its most sacred values and violating international law. Now is the time to reclaim America’s moral authority and close the prison at Guantanamo Bay.”
The numbers on Gitmo as it is currently operating are as follows:
There are currently about 375 individuals held at Guantanamo. About 80 of them have been cleared for release, according to the Defense Department. The Administration has stated that it intends to bring charges against no more than 60 to 80 of the remaining detainees. Fourteen “high-value” detainees were transferred to Guantanamo last summer from CIA “black sites,” and another such detainee was sent to Guantanamo from CIA custody since then.
Jane Mayer has done some exceptional reporting on Gitmo for the New Yorker. This article from 2005 details a wealth of informtion on conduct there, and is good background material for those who are interested in knowing more. As does this follow-up interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now. Mayer also did a haunting book review for the WaPo in 2006 of one detainee’s account of his time at Gitmo. And her most recent piece for the New Yorker on CIA black sites and prisoner detentions is infuriating and nauseating at the same time.
It is well past time that we closed the book on a chapter of American history that never should have been written in the first place. This is an excellent place to start.
You can contact your Senators via these toll free numbers (H/T to katymine for finding these):
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
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Dos!
mornin’
RULE OF LAW!!
Listening to HJC on FISA
LINK
Good afternoon, Christy.
Thank you Christy!
BTW, this was EPU’d from the Judy Giuliani thread:
TexBetsy @ 221
“You can push that along by signing this petition for Sen. Harkin.”
Other than serving as a data base for soliciting donations I’m not sure what the purpose of those (petitions) are!?
Petition signed for Harkin.
Hardin, Harkin…*g*
Cozumel at 7 — In this case, Harkin’s political staffer told me they hope to use signatures as evidence to other Senators who haven’t yet signed on that the public does, indeed, care about this issue a great deal.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
Thanks, Christy! I’ll sign it ; )
is it that congress does not do proper oversight? why does torture still go on….who justifies these actions? again i always have questions about the way gov’t acts..yet we pretend to be a beacon in the world….WHAT!!
breaking news – another repug has died…..
signed.
Of course with Box Turtle and the Cheerleader as my senators he’ll probably need some more persuasive items than a petition.
I’m signing the petition, but I fear John Q. Public is on the adm side on this issue due to the effective framing. Why can’t Dems frame an issue as effectively?
i care about the issue, but if Feinstein is part of the mix …….
i’m jus’ sayin’!
I signed.
petition signed.
On the page following the petition is the following:
Thank you
Thank you for signing the petition to restore the promise of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
-Sen. Tom Harkin
Huh?
Hi all – I have an OT request for help: I’m trying to find the amount of money the US gave to the Taliban to aid their effort to eradicate poppy fields prior to 10/2001.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated; the internet tubes are not being kind to me this morning. Feh!
juslin at 11 — Well, for the first 6 years of the Bush Administration, the GOP controlled Congress. So oversight went like this: *crickets*
It’s only been since January of this year that oversight hearings got going again in any meaningful way. And things, alas, do not get changed immediately when the President is a stubborn, egotistical man who refuses to admit he erred under any circumstances, now do they?
fahrender @ 15
I too was surprised that she’s part of it.
Hopefully DiFi doesn’t stab him in the back.
Federal buildings get named after people all the time, what would happen if one of the democratic presidential candidates said that the first thing he or she would do upon becomming president would be to rename Guantanomo prison as “The George W. Bush Gulag and Torture Center”. I bet that would make the “decider” think twice about keeping the place open. He is afterall, thinking about his “legacy”. The new president would of course then close it immediately.
Oddity: I went to sign the petition, it outlined the whole “Next DA needs to close Gitmo”, I filled in and signed…and the resulting page thanked me for signing the petition on closing loopholes in the ADA act (which I also support, mind you). Thought that was a little odd.
MHD @ 22
*spew* I LOVE IT! Where do I sign that petition??!
jayt @ 17:
I saw that too. But I already signed in any case, so…
juslin @ 11
Not only has congress (especially the rethug rump congress) been negligent at doing oversight, the WH has actively impeded oversight. As far as I know, there’s been no real accounting to congress of the rendered prisoners, the secret prisons/”black sites” and the desasparicidos who were never routed through Guantanamo.. and there may be hundreds who are still disappeared. Shrub’s been running what amounts to a secret government (mostly) abroad, accountable only to him and the veep, and he actively stonewalls attempts to impose accountability. When pressured, he just redefines torture… it’s not torture if it doesn’t involve mutilation, death or permanent loss of bodily function, if I recall one of the myriad definitions correctly. This is simply the worst/most abusive/most venal presidential administration this country has ever had. Period.
juslin @ 12
Yes, Rep. Paul Gillmor (R-OH).
Down with Tyranny had a report about him a little while ago.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..-paul.html
Recently was calling for Abu Gonezales to resign and has been critical of Wal-mart, so doesn’t seem like he was a total nutjob, but did toe the Party line for the most part. Sad day for his family and friends…
Rep. John Boner’s gonna be crying for sure today, They might even be real tears today. Ah maybe not, since he has no soul…
MHD @ 22
They had to un-name the NYC jail after Kerik when he got indicted.
Interesting that Senator Harkin brings up Son Con Island during the Vietnam war. I just spent the weekend at an extended family reunion. We have been getting together over labor day for 40 years.
Numerous Vietnam Vets in the group. One dear friend who served in the Pentagon back then as an analyst brought up how his skills and recommendations (PH.D in Psych) were not used at Son Con, and how the American public was in the dark about the atrocities taking place there.
Go Harkin!
Biodun @ 25
jayt @ 17:
I saw that too. But I already signed in any case, so…
yeah – both are good – was just wondering whether there’s a glitch in the Senator’s software – and whether he should be alerted…
Blender @ 18
Type this in your google box: Bush’s Faustian Deal With The Taliban
I noticed it too. I wonder if his web folks are aware of it. Not an unusual error.
Biodun @ 20
I think Feinstein is trying hard to seem fair and just about Iraq and the atrocities that have taken place as a direct result of the pre-emptive invasion. Her family’s hands are bloody due to the war profits made off of her yes vote, and her seat on MILCON.
Paragraphs 1 and 5 “Guantanamo”.
Hi Christy, thanks for sharing your interview with us. I was wondering what was going on with habeas corpus and all the other messes Abu left behind…I had toddled off to read the New Yorker linky you provided.
I love the sardonic cartoon of the prisoner saying “No more Hardball!…I’ll talk” right in the middle of an article on CIA black sites. priceless.
Are ghost planes still flying renditions? anyone know? I’m only a bit through the links CHS provided. Good God, how did we get here with this insanity?
My kids want the next prez to submit to a brain scan/MRI. To check for empathy impulses. I know that would bring its own baggage, but just sayin’…
fahrender @ 15
I agree. I sure hope his bill isn’t dependent or contingent in any way on her support, ‘cuz she’ll sell out in a NY minute if someone makes her a better offer for trade-off. I’ll never trust her again after the recent FISA fiasco.
bonkers @ 27
Boner’s already been there. From the WAPO story
House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) went to the House floor this afternoon to hail his fellow Ohioan as “a good friend to all of us, a colleague of mine who served for two decades.”
“He’s going to be missed,” a tearful Boehner concluded.
Helen @ 37
The article I read said that Gillmor was a “backbencher” which means Boehner probably wouln’t have given him the time of day – he only associates with the uppers.
Overheard in Australia, Bush tells minister ‘we’re kicking ass’ in Iraq
Ann in AZ @ 36
FISA and Judge Southwick. Don’t forget letting his nomination out of committee.
Blender @ 18
You might find some pertinent information in this article. I didn’t read it all, but it sure had a lot of the right dates in it.
OT..More wisdom from the psychopathic moron:
Overheard in Australia, Bush tells minister ‘we’re kicking ass’ in Iraq
RAW link
do-si-do @ 35
I think I like your kids.
Yet another assessment:
Afternoon, all. Signed the petition.
“He’s going to be missed,” a tearful Boehner concluded.
Wasn’t Cryin’ John one of the grifters in The Sting? (Too damned tired to Google.)
jayt @ 30
yeah – both are good – was just wondering whether there’s a glitch in the Senator’s software – and whether he should be alerted…
Probably copied the scripts from the previously-mentioned site and forgot to change the wording of the acknowledgement that it was received.
jayt @ 17
thank you for calling this to our attention. We have fixed this issue and the petition now directs you to the correct thank you page.
-Ryan
Steve-AR @ 42
yep. kicking the arse of our soldiers repeatedly ’till they drop…. arsekicking to continue until morale improves
TexBetsy @ 43
Actually, a simply check for any viable grey matter might have forestalled some of the more idiotic deciderations our sitting POTUS has engaged in.
Ryan at 47 — Thanks much!
Here in Hawaii, by the time the sun comes up, Christy has already written 2-3 front page posts on FDL! Who needs a cuppa coffee, when there’s so much inspirational material from Christy, chock full of things to do!
Bob in HI
Ryan Alexander @ 47
Should those of us who signed it earlier do so again, or did the signatures themselves go to the correct list?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
Done. Thanks for the link.
johnSwifty @ 49
Checking for empathy and checking for brains are two different things. We already know what happens when we get evil genius in the white house.
peanutbutter @ 52
Sounds like it was correct petition, wrong thank-you page.
peanutbutter @ 52
I think it was probably OK all along – just the “thank you” page was the problem.
peanutbutter @ 52
The issue seems to be ONLY with the Thank you page. So probably not
So I see Sen. Sherrod Brown (D, all hail-OH) has joined with such luminaries as Sen. Diane Feinstein (D, all hail-CA) in seeking to over turn some aspects of the Military Commissions Act.
When he was in the House, Sen. Brown (D-OH) voted for the Military Commissions Act. A few months later he announced that he had come to realize that vote was a mistake. Don’t believe him for a minute. Brown is a core-less politician whose only interest is promoting his own career and who will forever play for suckers those in the netroots who let him play them.
Of course at the time of his Military Commissions vote we heard from Christy that that’s how the game has to be played and we need to rally behind “our” Democrats.
Brown shined up his pro-labor credentials in recent years because he calculated that is what would sell. Voter beware.
TexBetsy @ 54
Dick Cheney? He’s got the brain, but no heart. The tin man to Bush’s scarecrow (no offense to scarecrow’s everywhere).
Besides, Bush has long been known to operate soley on the autonomic impulses provided by his gut. He might be that unique human hybrid, able to survive sans grey matter, by mere virtue of his enteric nervous system, alone!
CMike at 58 — Oh really? You heard that from me? Where, exactly? Give me a link.
Because we removed Sherrod from our Blue America fundraising page after his vote on the MCA, as I recall. What I asked for — repeatedly — was civility among people discussing the vote. Don’t put words in my mouth that I did not say. That is a sure way to piss me off.
Overheard in Australia, Bush tells minister ‘we’re kicking ass’ in Iraq
Yup – if he was referring to the “asses” of the American military and American global credibility.
AZ Matt @ 4
Darn! Missed it! Can someone summarize?
Bob in HI
Matt Stoller says that Darcy Burner’s primary opponent has dropped out. Woohooo!!!!!!
OT..It’s hopeless
May ‘07 Gallup Poll
B. Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years
Definite-39%
ly true
Probably-27%
true
Probably-16%
false
Definite-15%
ly false
No
opinion-3%
Total-66%
true
Total-31%
false
These results are similar to those from the question asked in May. A little more than half of Americans say evolution — as defined in this question wording — is definitely or probably true. Forty-four percent say that it is probably or definitely false.
In contrast, even more Americans, two-thirds, say the theory of creationism is definitely or probably true.
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27847
Rep. Paul Gillmor(R) found dead.
LS @ 65
I saw that when I was reading one of the West Virginia papers.
Just watched Tom Harkin on the Senate Appropriations Committee live feed on mine safety. He and Robert Byrd among a few others. There were all kinds of hearings this morning….
As a Californian, when are we going to get an investigation into Feinstein’s war profiteering? Harkin can team up with whomever he wishes, but when I see Feinstein’s name it never ceases to piss me off.
Gilmore RIP.
Kathleen @ 29
Kathleen, our family reunion’s coming up next weekend.
I gave up going after the Bush Regime started.
Note to self (and others): Do not under any circumstances get CHS, JH and the other Ladies of the Lake p*ss’d at me. It is done at my peril!
Signed,
Self
dakine01 @ 70
Smart man!
OT–
Fred of Hollywood:
OT, New Froomkin up
Steve-AR @ 64
There’s people who believe both (so long as you drop biblical inerrancy, of course). And in truth, evolution does not disprove creationism (except of course with particular dates and such) because evolution has nothing to say about what is unprovable.
So I imagine you have a chunk of people who believe that G-d set all the evolutionary stuff in motion, hence he’s still the Creator, it’s just done through evolution.
Senate about to take up a resolution to welcome back Tim Johnson.
To be followed by the “Hey Joe Lieberman – Blow it Out Your Ass!” resolution?
ok – so that one will have to be tabled till mid-November 2008 – but still, that’s one I could get behind.
And it takes a lot for Christy to be pissed off. It’s quite admirable how patient she can be.
johnSwifty @ 59
Hah! I knew the MRI thing would get some juices going. Love the Oz analogy, swifty. Does that make Abu the Lion?
love the cake, TexBetsy! did you make it?
And love the new book about Bush The Decider saying it’s like Bush being the umpire who made a bad call but sticking to it!
Nothing pisses me off more than a routinely crooked/incompetent umpire throwing the game!
TexBetsy @ 71
My momma only raised one fool and it ain’t me!
Or perhaps less confusingly: If creationism is saying the world was created 6K years ago, etc, evolution blows that completely out of the water, no questions asked.
If creationism is simply saying some Deity created the world, evolution is silent on the matter.
Did the poll specify what sort of creationism was meant, or were people free to interpret it themselves?
Hell, the Roman Catholic church officially endorsed the latter scenario not long ago. Pope Ratzi may e many things, but stupid on this point, he’s not.
jayt-
epu’d a couple threads ago – are you in the Central Texas Firepups area? There’s a reason I’m asking – saw your note about looking for a legal job after some years not practicing.
““Hey Joe Lieberman – Blow it Out Your Ass!” resolution?
ok – so that one will have to be tabled till mid-November 2008 – but still, that’s one I could get behind.”
Not sure I want to be behind Lieberman for the “blow it out your ass resolution.”
A warm, collegial, welcome for Sen. Johnson back to the Senate. Sometimes there are good things that happen. ((Yeah Tim Johnson))
No, I don’t actually make (cook, bake, etc.) any of the snack food. I occasionally collage it on the computer, but mostly I hunt for things online. I have about a dozen dino-shaped cookies and cakes for TRex.
Me @ 64… The “fact” that 66% of Americans think humans were created in the past 10,000 years goes a long way to explain our present day politics. If 2/3 of the American population lack critical thinking…it’s going to be tough going to change course.
Steve-AR @ 42
Yep. It’s all just a game to Lil Bush with toy soldiers and tanks and everthing. Look ma, I joined the army! Booyah!
jackass.
I saw a comment on another board about how “at least Bush supports the troops unlike Clinton”. WTF? He likes to play with them, use them and abuse them, how does he support them?
Steve-AR @ 84
Oh. Okay then. Hm…
ARRRRGHHH…
nomolos — Was so glad to see him looking well. I’m sure his family and friends are very much relieved by his amazing progress, too.
OT:
DHS ends criticized data-mining program (AP)
from Yahoo! News: Top Stories
AP – The Homeland Security Department has given up on one of its broadest anti-terrorism data-mining tools after investigators found it was tested with information about real people without the required privacy safeguards.
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070905/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/dhs_data_mining
CNBC commentator Seth Tobias dead found in his pool.
-GSD
BTW here are the 12 Democratic Senators who voted for the Military Commissions Act.
Carper (D-DE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00259
I must admit I still am angry about Sherrod Brown’s vote for the MCA when he was still a Rep.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
I’ll find the thread I’m referring to and post the link here later today. I don’t have the time to do it right now.
TexBetsy @ 88
Edited by Mods
peanutbutter @ 79
I linked the poll..but question B was very specific.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 87
I got a form letter from Boxer this morning which said in part:
We’re kickin’ ash. I can’t wait to start makin’ some cash.
Hey, maybe ah can be a poet lariat!
-Bloody Bush
TexBetsy @ 88
They have already mined the info they need/want.
Continue shopping. Nothing to see here.
Biodun @ 44
So “uneven progress” is the new code for abject failure. Good to know.
Someone better find that linky…*g*
Chertoff: U.S. ‘Unequivocally’ Safer Now From Attacks
from washingtonpost.com – Politics by William Branigin
The United States is “unequivocally” safer from terrorist attacks than it was six years ago, but security gaps remain, notably for private airplanes and small boats, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said today.
I wonder what he’ll really end up doing. Not that I give a f*ck.
nomolos @ 82
I was just watching that before I leave for work. It was touching, actually. There is not a person with whom I work who hasn’t seen incredible things from people who have suffered traumatic brain injury, regardless the cause. I’m sure it was quite humbling for Sen. Johnson. It sure as hell would be for me, too.
tejanarusa @ 80
jayt-
epu’d a couple threads ago – are you in the Central Texas Firepups area? There’s a reason I’m asking – saw your note about looking for a legal job after some years not practicing.
No – but thanks for asking. Am in the process of re-building the crim practice here in Indianapolis, and have an interview Monday for something that *might* work out very well for filling in some of the down-time I still have too much of. It’s with a Chicago-based firm looking for people who can jump in and help other firms who have large-litigation projects going which out-strip the abilities of their current staffs, without those firms creating more full-time positions. Research, writing, strategy, etc. I’m hoping it might be a good fit.
Maybe I shouldn’t have told the lady in Chicago that if she would get here by tomorrow night, she could attend the Colts’ pre-game party/Super Bowl win celebration… Just couldn’t pass up the chance to poke a Bears fan a little bit – heh.
Sorry I am in epu territory. I had to sing at the funeral of 14 year-old daughter of a best friend who died in an alcohol related incident on the way to a HS football game. What a tragedy!
In the meantime I and several Iowans Love Tom Harkin for his efforts and I just called to let him know.
In the meantime we have rubberstamp Grassley who better wake up and smell the roses soon. We are trending blue here for a reason.
An OT FYI..
Former Congresswoman Jennifer Dunn dies at 66
By NEIL MODIE AND CHRIS McGANN
P-I REPORTERS
Jennifer Dunn, a former six-term member of Congress, former chairwoman of the Washington State Republican Party and one of the state GOP’s most respected members, died Wednesday, her family announced. She was 66.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..unn06.html
(It’s pouring rain where I am)
TexBetsy @ 99
I guess he took some Rolaids and got over his “gut” feelings.
-GSD
Jennifer Dunn, a former six-term member of Congress, former chairwoman of the Washington State Republican Party and one of the state GOP’s most respected members, died Wednesday, her family announced. She was 66.
In my version of creationism, the universe is brought into being by a blue dwarf named Harvey. Being outside empirical knowledge, this view is entirely unassailable. In that it resembles much of Bush and Republican policy.
jayt @ 102
No – but thanks for asking. Am in the process of re-building the crim practice here in Indianapolis, and have an interview Monday for something that *might* work out very well for filling in some of the down-time I still have too much of. It’s with a Chicago-based firm looking for people who can jump in and help other firms who have large-litigation projects going which out-strip the abilities of their current staffs, without those firms creating more full-time positions. Research, writing, strategy, etc. I’m hoping it might be a good fit.
Maybe I shouldn’t have told the lady in Chicago that if she would get here by tomorrow night, she could attend the Colts’ pre-game party/Super Bowl win celebration… Just couldn’t pass up the chance to poke a Bears fan a little bit – heh.
Oh, too bad. (I’m thinking of trying to get back into law, myself. thought of brainstorming together). Guess it was the Indianapolis thing – I grew up mostly there. Confused that with your being where I live now.
RE: the interview – Let’s hope she has a sense of humor, and you’ll be fine. I was actually hired for one legal position because, my boss told me later, I was the only one who responded to his teasing during the interview-and teased him back. Everyone else was afraid to laugh, I guess.
Good luck w/ the interview!
everybody else – sorry for the OT.
I hope someday this century, a competent historian will look back at the Bush administration and ask: “What the f*ck was that all about? How did Bush and Cheney get elected?”
Biodun @ 100
I remember when one of his brothers was going in with Babs to make an ‘edjamacation machine’ to roll into classrooms that had failed the no child left behind requirements and perform a fixification on the offending kidlins. I can’t remember if it was the brother who did the Savings and Loan scandal or the one who ran security for Dulles Airport right before 9/11.
Anyway, maybe GW could help out designing some of the curriculum for the edjamacation. You know, kind of like hiring a hacker to find the holes in your security.
Hugh @ 107
Actually the dwarf was a sort of aqua tending toward green but blue is close enough
OT..
Apple unveils new iPod with Wi-Fi
CEO Steve Jobs announced Wednesday major upgrades to its red-hot iPod music players; iTunes will now allow for wireless downloads of songs.link
Not to speak ill of the dead, but re Jennifer Dunn(R Wash.)
johnSwifty @ 110
That was Neil of Silverado Savings and Loan fame and infamy
johnSwifty @ 111
It was/is the “Silverado” son also of Asian hooker fame, IIRC.
Hugh @ 107
I’m a proud member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and anyone who doesn’t accept that reality, a priori, is just a damned fool. Literally! And you DON’T want to go to Flying Spaghetti Monster Hell!
johnSwifty @ 116
Church of the Mouse and the Disco Ball here.
GSD @ 105
He must have taken some heat for his “gut” feelings.
Senator Harkin’s speaking on the Senate floor now on C-SPAN2.
nomolos @ 111
I’m not saying I did but I may have partaken of certain illicit substances when I had my visitation by said cosmic dwarf so the color might have been off a little (although it was really pretty and swirly).
A little more Neil Bush bio..can’t let the Bush scum crawl back under a rock..
Bush’s divorce deposition gained public attention when he admitted to several sexual encounters with high-priced escorts in Thailand and Hong Kong.[10] [11] [12] [13] Among other divorce testimony aired in the press, Neil Bush’s friend John Spalding announced that Sharon had extracted hair samples from her estranged husband in order to place a voodoo curse on him. Sharon Bush later confirmed the forcible hair removal, but she stated that she took the hair to be tested for evidence of drug use.[14] At various times, Sharon Bush publicly spoke of her fear of retribution by Neil, or by the Bush family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Bush
IIIRC when Sharon Bush started squawking about the hookers, Babs told her to STFU or she would end up penniless. Nice people.
Hey, NPR news break just played audio of Sen. Tim Johnson speaking at the Senate welcome – he’s sounds pretty darn good. Hope the stress of dealing with the Bushco people doesn’t affect him too much.
Iowa has to be one of the most schizophrenic states in the union. On one side we have Tom Harkin and on the other Charles Grassley.
Talk about your identity crises!
From The Hill:
Boy, he saw the handwriting on the wall!
dakine01 @ 117
I think the Pastafarians can party with the Church of the MDB. We will always hold out hope that his noodly appendage will touch you too.
Biodun @ 109
mmmm. Nader is an egotistical idiot?
and not enough of my fellow Dems took the time to VOTE!! We out number the GOP so there is NO excuse for this…betcha vote in 08…
Biodun @ 109
Please line up again: “competent historian” and your question. You can have one or the other, not both. ;-)
new thread w/ Phoenix Woman, guys — sorry I’m not sure how to do the link.
TexBetsy @ 71
It is also important not to roll over to the Ladies of the Lake that would mean they have created the same enviroment that radical right “wrong” wingers have created…don’t ask legitimate questions just fall in line with their thinking and opinions. I am sure that they do not want progressive robots here at the Lake.
The Ladies of the Lake are generally reasonable, they have yet to let the power go to their heads. Healthy debate and backing up what you say with facts is critical here at the lake.
Hello Christy – Just signed the petition. It is a short on-line day for me today. Must run but will check in late afternoon.
Thanks for the petition link.
Phoenix Woman is Flying High UPSTAIRS!!
Kathleen @ 129
I was not implying at all blind obeisance. Apples and oranges.
Cozumel @ 7
And this is what has become of the Democratic Party…a solicitation to sign a petition is viewed as a tool to shake the trees for shekels.
BTW, I agree wholeheartedly.
Arnie @ 128
With the scrubbing that has probably taken place during this administration it will take a magician instead of a historian to uncover what has happened in the US since 1981 when Reagan and Poppy took office.
The GOP loves to point to Sandy Berger’s conviction for removing records from the Archives, but I’m willing to bet my house that more documents have been destroyed during the Bush years, all of them Poppy’s included, than have been destroyed in the history of the republic.
One hint at how that would be done….records pertaining to Prescott Bush’s early days in government were destroyed by burning because the archives needed the space. So everything that was either good or bad about Poppy’s poppy was burned.
Anyone from this administration should have to go to the sergeant-at-arms in the Senate to get the key for the National Archives and should be accompanied by a monitorm but that would be like closing the barn door after the horse got out.
Steve-AR @ 116
There were two Bush boys involved in the S&L scandal…Jeb was partners with a contractor in Miami who received a loan from an S&L there that was later defaulted on.
james @ 135
But Neil was more directly involved as a board member of Silverado S&L.
peanutbutter @ 52
you all signed the correct petition… the thank you page was just pointed the wrong way.
CMike @ 91
I’m having a little trouble using the Firedoglake archive and I haven’t found the thread I’m looking for but I think the following will do.
Truth and Patriots
by Christy Hardin Smith
[my emphasis below]
And now Sen. Sherrod Brown (D, all hail-OH) is going to lead us forward.
Cmike — How exactly do you get:
out of what you quoted above? Especially as I said all of that in the immediate aftermath of the vote when we were all still trying to chase down clarifications from all of the people who stupidly voted for the MCA? Did you entirely ignore the part where I said that I was pissed as hell? Why, yes you did. Did you also ignore the part where I said we’d expect explanations and that there would be consequences if they were inadequate — such as, in Sherrod’s case, removing him from Blue America altogether? Why, don’t see that acknowledged either.
The political reality for every single member of Congress is that they have to vote not only their own conscience, but that of their elected constituency. That’s the truth of it. But nowhere there do I say “rally round Sherrod” — what I say is inform yourself, demand accountability, and watc me do the same. Which, last I checked, is exactly what we did in the days that followed.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 63
WOW, now that’s what I call a powerful campaigning.
Of course, this means all the money she can raise won’t be wasted on the primary race and can pile up to be used against her general election opponent — if they dare to show their face!
Hoosierhoops @ 126
Didja know that in Florida 2000 it was Sequoia ( who make electronic voting systems ) who produced the paper ballots which produced hanging chads because they used the wrong weight of paper and they intentionally misaligned the perforations, so the little chad wouldn’t fall out, just hang?
Sorry for the longish sentence.
Well, didja?
I hadn’t even heard of that until the last month.
Not so surprising the company had a direct relationship with Jeb Bush!
At that time the company was based in Ireland, but was purchased later by Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.
Go to
http://www.bradblog.com
for all your voting fairness and accuracy stories.
Just read this:
Guantanamo releases
Not the first shocking story of its kind. Detainees never charged and some sent back to worse places; others they want to dump anywhere but no country wants them.
So, in thinking outside the box, I sent an email to cubanews editor suggesting as a humanitarian gesture, Cuba might take some …