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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-945458</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another thing that needs to be done is to take what is known as mainstream media and refer to it with a more accurate descriptive term, which spells out who they really are.  It’s a cinch they aren’t mainstream any more.  I took a phrase from a commentary written by Ray McGovern.  Then, in discussion at another blog, we came up with:  the corporate-owned, war-profiteering media syndicate.  I know it’s a mouthful; but, the acronym is riotously funny.  It’s COWPMS.  I’m sure if Tim Russert and Fred Hiatt and Wolf Blitzer became known as members of the COWPMS and no longer mainstream, they might give some thought to changing their ways.  At any rate, calling these guys mainstream is too complimentary and a lie.  The COWPMS has given up its first amendment right of a free press by publishing all their propaganda for the Bush administration and the GOP.  It’s about time they get called on it.  Marcy Wheeler, Jane Hamsher, Christy Hardin Smith, Josh Marshall, Tom Englehardt, Glenn Greenwald, and many others are the true mainstream media now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that needs to be done is to take what is known as mainstream media and refer to it with a more accurate descriptive term, which spells out who they really are.  It’s a cinch they aren’t mainstream any more.  I took a phrase from a commentary written by Ray McGovern.  Then, in discussion at another blog, we came up with:  the corporate-owned, war-profiteering media syndicate.  I know it’s a mouthful; but, the acronym is riotously funny.  It’s COWPMS.  I’m sure if Tim Russert and Fred Hiatt and Wolf Blitzer became known as members of the COWPMS and no longer mainstream, they might give some thought to changing their ways.  At any rate, calling these guys mainstream is too complimentary and a lie.  The COWPMS has given up its first amendment right of a free press by publishing all their propaganda for the Bush administration and the GOP.  It’s about time they get called on it.  Marcy Wheeler, Jane Hamsher, Christy Hardin Smith, Josh Marshall, Tom Englehardt, Glenn Greenwald, and many others are the true mainstream media now.</p>
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		<title>By: r4d20</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-945095</link>
		<dc:creator>r4d20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you tell someone “X is not caused by Y”, when that person never previously associated X and Y, you’ll confuse at least some of them into forgetting the “not”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I played sports in my youth my coaches always told us to tell ourselves things like “I will make this shot” and NEVER “I will not miss this shot” because the “not” gets lost and the brain ‘hears’ “I will … miss this shot”.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;seems like it was good advice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you tell someone “X is not caused by Y”, when that person never previously associated X and Y, you’ll confuse at least some of them into forgetting the “not”.</p>
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<p>When I played sports in my youth my coaches always told us to tell ourselves things like “I will make this shot” and NEVER “I will not miss this shot” because the “not” gets lost and the brain ‘hears’ “I will … miss this shot”.  </p>
<p>seems like it was good advice.</p>
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		<title>By: TomR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-944953</link>
		<dc:creator>TomR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My suggestion is it’s okay to repeat the lie in order to refute it.  But then, you must also point out 5 more lies the perpetrator has been caught in.  After establishing a pattern of lying, you ask, “why would anyone believe what a habitual liar has to say?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Tom&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suggestion is it’s okay to repeat the lie in order to refute it.  But then, you must also point out 5 more lies the perpetrator has been caught in.  After establishing a pattern of lying, you ask, “why would anyone believe what a habitual liar has to say?”</p>
<p>- Tom</p>
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		<title>By: kyledeb</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-944843</link>
		<dc:creator>kyledeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you repeat the same thing over and over again, it becomes truth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you repeat the same thing over and over again, it becomes truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buck</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-944821</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I recall reading a piece explaining deconstruction in literary criticism.  I will now greatly oversimplify; apologies in advance to those who know far more about this than I do.  This is an example from that article.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Imagine that you read the following sentence in some text (if you’re a humanities graduate student you of course call it a “text”):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thomas Jefferson was not a homosexual.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The surface meaning of this statement is that Thomas Jefferson was not a homosexual.  But you’d never before heard anyone claim otherwise, and with the Sally Hemmings story you certainly never thought otherwise before reading this statement.  So why does this sentence appear?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The deconstructionist would point out that the author is implicitly introducing the statement that Jefferson &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a homosexual into the discourse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you tell someone “X is not caused by Y”, when that person never previously associated X and Y, you’ll confuse at least some of them into forgetting the “not”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall reading a piece explaining deconstruction in literary criticism.  I will now greatly oversimplify; apologies in advance to those who know far more about this than I do.  This is an example from that article.</p>
<p>Imagine that you read the following sentence in some text (if you’re a humanities graduate student you of course call it a “text”):</p>
<blockquote><p>Thomas Jefferson was not a homosexual.</p>
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<p>The surface meaning of this statement is that Thomas Jefferson was not a homosexual.  But you’d never before heard anyone claim otherwise, and with the Sally Hemmings story you certainly never thought otherwise before reading this statement.  So why does this sentence appear?</p>
<p>The deconstructionist would point out that the author is implicitly introducing the statement that Jefferson <i>was</i> a homosexual into the discourse.</p>
<p>If you tell someone “X is not caused by Y”, when that person never previously associated X and Y, you’ll confuse at least some of them into forgetting the “not”.</p>
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		<title>By: hug the moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>hug the moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about lie detector technology that attaches to our TV’s and Radios. Let the truth meter on the TV sidebar help Joe and Jane six pack quantify their Cognitive Dissonance. They already have this technology for the phones. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or repeat the truth over and over and over. That would be hard because we are talking about politicians.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about lie detector technology that attaches to our TV’s and Radios. Let the truth meter on the TV sidebar help Joe and Jane six pack quantify their Cognitive Dissonance. They already have this technology for the phones. </p>
<p>Or repeat the truth over and over and over. That would be hard because we are talking about politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr33d0m</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-944497</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr33d0m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would add:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  Be first on the attack (law of primacy)&lt;br /&gt;
2.  If you must restate, re-brand&lt;br /&gt;
3.  Most important, repeat, repeat, repeat and while you’re at it get some others to repeat for you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t you see all of these things in what the repugnicons do every day?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, you can’t do number one if you fall for the “running a nice campaign” myth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add:</p>
<p>1.  Be first on the attack (law of primacy)<br />
2.  If you must restate, re-brand<br />
3.  Most important, repeat, repeat, repeat and while you’re at it get some others to repeat for you.</p>
<p>Don’t you see all of these things in what the repugnicons do every day?</p>
<p>BTW, you can’t do number one if you fall for the “running a nice campaign” myth.</p>
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		<title>By: dolphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-944487</link>
		<dc:creator>dolphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone have any better ideas? Ideas that will work for bloggers?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pardon me if I’m missing the obvious, but isn’t the source of the problem with the various proposed responses the fact that they’re all initiated as responses? Rather than give the GOP’s idiotic claims currency through repetition or reference, why not just lay out our own case, something like this: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the situation.&lt;br /&gt;
Here’s the series of GOP policies (if that’s the term for them) that led to this situation.&lt;br /&gt;
Here’s why they don’t work.&lt;br /&gt;
Here’s the logical approach that will work. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Break it down into bite-sized chunks that people can digest (perhaps present it via ads in serial form—a bit at a time).  Reinforce it with visuals (TV is an affective, visual medium after all). Repeat, repeat, repeat. Spend at least a week on each chunk. Sell it like soap. We need to acknowledge the attributes of the media we have to rely on to get the message across &amp; use it to our advantage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or am I missing the point?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyone have any better ideas? Ideas that will work for bloggers?</p>
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<p>Pardon me if I’m missing the obvious, but isn’t the source of the problem with the various proposed responses the fact that they’re all initiated as responses? Rather than give the GOP’s idiotic claims currency through repetition or reference, why not just lay out our own case, something like this: </p>
<p>Here’s the situation.<br />
Here’s the series of GOP policies (if that’s the term for them) that led to this situation.<br />
Here’s why they don’t work.<br />
Here’s the logical approach that will work. </p>
<p>Break it down into bite-sized chunks that people can digest (perhaps present it via ads in serial form—a bit at a time).  Reinforce it with visuals (TV is an affective, visual medium after all). Repeat, repeat, repeat. Spend at least a week on each chunk. Sell it like soap. We need to acknowledge the attributes of the media we have to rely on to get the message across &amp; use it to our advantage.</p>
<p>Or am I missing the point?</p>
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		<title>By: AM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the most effective response is the word ‘baloney!’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most effective response is the word ‘baloney!’</p>
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		<title>By: yzfool</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/04/science-finally-catches-up-to-the-gop/#comment-944195</link>
		<dc:creator>yzfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Utilize the counterclaim.  The standard form of the debunk goes as follows: ‘claim X is wrong for the following reasons:  reason 1, 2, 3 …’  However, as you have noted that only reinforces the faulty claim.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The form of the counterclaim is as follows:  ‘that person made claim X in order to harm people in Y fashion.’  The counterclaim envelops the faulty claim but places it in a larger context such that what is remembered is the counterclaim.  Then keep repeating the counterclaim  so as to reframe the debate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utilize the counterclaim.  The standard form of the debunk goes as follows: ‘claim X is wrong for the following reasons:  reason 1, 2, 3 …’  However, as you have noted that only reinforces the faulty claim.  </p>
<p>The form of the counterclaim is as follows:  ‘that person made claim X in order to harm people in Y fashion.’  The counterclaim envelops the faulty claim but places it in a larger context such that what is remembered is the counterclaim.  Then keep repeating the counterclaim  so as to reframe the debate.</p>
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