Zed

2

zed? crap

3

zed

3?

hey TRex.

not even close

was getting worried, TRex

10?

Zwolf?

No…elf.

Dang…

be sure to let downstairs know

TRex!

Yeeeee HHAWW!

Suzanne @ 13

be sure to let downstairs know

did that.

Suzanne @ 9

was getting worried, TRex

I was seriously thinking 600!!! And, yes I let’em know…!!! *g*

I may be alone in this, but I don’t care all that much that the man was looking for an encounter in the men’s room. What if he was going to have the encounter elsewhere? Live and let live. Yes he’s a hypocrite but not as much so as all the “defend the constitution by taking all your rights” crowd, and that seems like a more important fight to be having.

Leaving a message on the wrong phone is an indication of how panicked Craig must be. Deer in the head lights kind of thing. His fear of being found out is being overtaken by his fear of self realization. Finally, after all of these years he has come to learn that having sex with men means you are GAY, baby.

Big Mitch in land o’ EPU

althespook @ 508

Jeebus, Mitch, where do you get your info? And do they take new clients?

From a local practioner who called into the Ed Schultz show re: the re-typed form. After this was discussed at the lake, someone doubted me and then went and found the form. Paragraph 7 on the court-published forms contains an explicit waver of the right to counsel, according to the practioner on the radio, but as you can see the Senator’s does not. When our discussion at the lake led to viewing the form, I formed my own conclusion from the last paragraph, and you are invited to do the same.

CTuttle @ 1

Zed

ct you’re cool.

if i was cool enough to take the cue of you dropping out, i might try for a zed, but i ain’t that cool.

yet.

marymccurnin @ 18

Leaving a message on the wrong phone is an indication of how panicked Craig must be. Deer in the head lights kind of thing. His fear of being found out is being overtaken by his fear of self realization. Finally, after all of these years he has come to learn that having sex with men means you are GAY, baby.

Ya think? Maybe he really wants to be outed. Sure looks that way to me. Sincerely yours, Sigmund Freud.

marymccurnin @ 18

Leaving a message on the wrong phone is an indication of how panicked Craig must be. Deer in the head lights kind of thing. His fear of being found out is being overtaken by his fear of self realization. Finally, after all of these years he has come to learn that having sex with men means you are GAY, baby.

If you follow TRex’s link you discover the story was offered for sale to the Idaho Statesman before Roll Call and Statesman bounced it. That will take some parsing one way or the other.

C’mon, you really can’t expect us to believe that Billy Martin call do ya??? 8~(

BigMitch @ 21

marymccurnin @ 18

Leaving a message on the wrong phone is an indication of how panicked Craig must be. Deer in the head lights kind of thing. His fear of being found out is being overtaken by his fear of self realization. Finally, after all of these years he has come to learn that having sex with men means you are GAY, baby.

Ya think? Maybe he really wants to be outed. Sure looks that way to me. Sincerely yours, Sigmund Freud.

Remember Ted Haggard. Anonymous sex isn’t always that anonymous.

CTuttle @ 23

C’mon, you really can’t expect us to believe that Billy Martin call do ya??? 8~(

I missed the Billy Martin reference?

I wonder if Ted Haggard knows Craig. I mean in the biblical sense.

Billy Martin the lawyer is not the same as Billy Martin of baseball repute.

althespook @ 22

If you follow TRex’s link you discover the story was offered for sale to the Idaho Statesman before Roll Call and Statesman bounced it. That will take some parsing one way or the other.

Most good reasonably reputable news outlets have a policy of not paying for information. Might be the case here. Or not. I would guess the The Statesman is going to have say why, one way or another.

BigMitch @ 21

Maybe he really wants to be outed. Sure looks that way to me.

The risk factor is part of his dirty, naughty bad boy thrill.

(disclaimer: I may have played a psychologist on TV, once)

;>)

marymccurnin @ 26

I wonder if Ted Haggard knows Craig. I mean in the biblical sense.

there’s hasn’t been a whiff of meth related to the craig story, so craig would not be haggards cuppa tea and visa versa.

marymccurnin @ 26

I wonder if Ted Haggard knows Craig. I mean in the biblical sense.

We can assume they have met at various gop events in the Rocky Mountain West. What they did in the men’s rooms of such events is known only to them, their diaries, and any stray cell phone they happen to misdial (a word which needs updating, since the “dial” went away a long time ago…)

Wow – got completely sidetracked by tennis…and Ferrer beats Nadal!

althespook @ 25

CTuttle @ 23

C’mon, you really can’t expect us to believe that Billy Martin call do ya??? 8~(

I missed the Billy Martin reference?

The last link takes ya to the cite!

EPU’d

Kirk, a small leak in a pipe, but ongoing for more than a week. Wash all the clothes in the closet? washing machine-type wash? Or cleaners?

You poke cell phones.

TexBetsy @ 17

I may be alone in this, but I don’t care all that much that the man was looking for an encounter in the men’s room. What if he was going to have the encounter elsewhere? Live and let live. Yes he’s a hypocrite but not as much so as all the “defend the constitution by taking all your rights” crowd, and that seems like a more important fight to be having.

You aren’t alone. We’ve got a lot bigger fish to fry.

LOL. Just yesterday, the big AP headline was:

“GOP touts swift action on Craig”

This whole thing is FANTASTIC!

BigMitch @ 21

marymccurnin @ 18

Leaving a message on the wrong phone is an indication of how panicked Craig must be. Deer in the head lights kind of thing. His fear of being found out is being overtaken by his fear of self realization. Finally, after all of these years he has come to learn that having sex with men means you are GAY, baby.

Ya think? Maybe he really wants to be outed. Sure looks that way to me. Sincerely yours, Sigmund Freud.

I don’t think so…it’s a need, he was taking care of it in the way he knew how, and he wants his job too. He’s a powerful man, what powerful man wants to go through all this?

Woo hoo! Go Larry! Go Larry! He is emblazoned on the pantheon of all-time great Republicans! I just knew he wouldn’t disappoint his fans!

…and now, to bed. Be well, everybody.

I think I am going to turn in as well. Looking to sleep many hours.

I think Craig got a serious look at the hit his bank balance was taking and is trying to put a bandaid on his hemorrhaging fiscal state.

TJ @ 36

TexBetsy @ 17

I may be alone in this, but I don’t care all that much that the man was looking for an encounter in the men’s room. What if he was going to have the encounter elsewhere? Live and let live. Yes he’s a hypocrite but not as much so as all the “defend the constitution by taking all your rights” crowd, and that seems like a more important fight to be having.

You aren’t alone. We’ve got a lot bigger fish to fry.

this is a classic example of “if we don’t win we can’t govern” as Tony Zeigler put it on West Wing. Of course it is a minor pecadillo even in terms of the hypocritical GOP mob and if we take the high road we point that out and focus on his abominable voting record in re the constitution.

BUT, none of that matters if the GOP retains enough seats in the senate to pull their current form of stalling tactics (pun NOT intended) or some more esoteric version. So we need all the scandal we can get that is going to poison their chances at the polls nationwide regardless of how picayune it is. Once we have a (excuse the reference) cloture-proof majority in the senate we can work on the high road again. right now we’re trying just to survive to get out of the gutter.

Me too – school starts tomorrow, and 5:30 AM is when I will be staggering out of bed.

Night, all!

TJ @ 36

TexBetsy @ 17

I may be alone in this, but I don’t care all that much that the man was looking for an encounter in the men’s room. What if he was going to have the encounter elsewhere? Live and let live. Yes he’s a hypocrite but not as much so as all the “defend the constitution by taking all your rights” crowd, and that seems like a more important fight to be having.

You aren’t alone. We’ve got a lot bigger fish to fry.

Anyway to 60 votes that is honest works for me. Outing a hypocrite — oh yeah, I can live with that.

As I pointed out on another post, there is congressman in Idaho of the Democratic persuasion who won his last election by 2:1 margin. The son of a former governor, he would be a formidable candidate, especially against Senator Craig.

(ectoplasmic wave to all departing sleepy firepups)

althespook @ 31

What they did in the men’s rooms of such events is known only to them, their diaries, and any stray cell phone they happen to misdial(…)

And they’ll always have such sweet memories of their toilet tarantos and wango tangos.

;>)

I hope that all of the GOP scandals outstrip their ability to do the math on how much to cheat on the next election.

Margot @ 38

BigMitch @ 21

Ya think? Maybe he really wants to be outed. Sure looks that way to me. Sincerely yours, Sigmund Freud.

I don’t think so…it’s a need, he was taking care of it in the way he knew how, and he wants his job too. He’s a powerful man, what powerful man wants to go through all this?

A self-hater, perhaps.

althespook @ 43

TJ @ 36

You aren’t alone. We’ve got a lot bigger fish to fry.

this is a classic example of “if we don’t win we can’t govern” as Tony Zeigler put it on West Wing. Of course it is a minor pecadillo even in terms of the hypocritical GOP mob and if we take the high road we point that out and focus on his abominable voting record in re the constitution.

BUT, none of that matters if the GOP retains enough seats in the senate to pull their current form of stalling tactics (pun NOT intended) or some more esoteric version. So we need all the scandal we can get that is going to poison their chances at the polls nationwide regardless of how picayune it is. Once we have a (excuse the reference) cloture-proof majority in the senate we can work on the high road again. right now we’re trying just to survive to get out of the gutter.

But isn’t it better for us to have him in there than having the governor appoint another Republican with better chances for reelection?

Nite, sleepers…!!!

I want lots of GOP money spent in states like idaho where they did not think they were gonna have to spend money.

BigMitch @ 49

Margot @ 38

I don’t think so…it’s a need, he was taking care of it in the way he knew how, and he wants his job too. He’s a powerful man, what powerful man wants to go through all this?

A self-hater, perhaps.

I view it as portrayed in “enemy of the state” by John Voight, who as the head of an NSA we might all recognize right now, said after his assasination of a prominent senator was recorded by the mcguffin of the film, “I don’t intend to let this little scumbag be the last chapter in my life.”

I suspect Senator Craig feels the same way about now. What I don’t understand is why Arlen is egging him on.

TexBetsy @ 17

I may be alone in this, but I don’t care all that much that the man was looking for an encounter in the men’s room. What if he was going to have the encounter elsewhere? Live and let live. Yes he’s a hypocrite but not as much so as all the “defend the constitution by taking all your rights” crowd, and that seems like a more important fight to be having.

betsy, i don’t care where they’re doing nor what they’re doing.
their business.
they are hypocrites, but that’s their business too.

to destroy your enemy, first make him ridiculous.

their problem is that they care what they’re doing and where they’re doing it.
and it makes them ridiculous.

the sweeetness of reading TRex’s words of how “Hello” Larry Craig is about to take a big crap all over the cheneybu$hco & petraeous puppet 9/11 special report for the Surge.

awesome.
i will sleep well tonight, mis amigos.

I wonder if that cell phone belonged to someone in Spector’s office.

TJ @ 50

althespook @ 43

this is a classic example of “if we don’t win we can’t govern” as Tony Zeigler put it on West Wing. Of course it is a minor pecadillo even in terms of the hypocritical GOP mob and if we take the high road we point that out and focus on his abominable voting record in re the constitution.

BUT, none of that matters if the GOP retains enough seats in the senate to pull their current form of stalling tactics (pun NOT intended) or some more esoteric version. So we need all the scandal we can get that is going to poison their chances at the polls nationwide regardless of how picayune it is. Once we have a (excuse the reference) cloture-proof majority in the senate we can work on the high road again. right now we’re trying just to survive to get out of the gutter.

But isn’t it better for us to have him in there than having the governor appoint another Republican with better chances for reelection?

YES! This is why we are all celebrating tonight! Although we don’t expect a pickup on that particular seat, keeping the scandal alive through to the 08 election would be magical. which is why the GOP establishment is excreting masonry right now.

Suzanne @ 55

I wonder if that cell phone belonged to someone in Spector’s office.

ding

;>)

Maybe we can get Mark Foley to come out and reconsider since he was’nt convicted of anything either. Then we would have a two ring circus. It’s enough to make you want to take a private jet on holiday to the middle of a barren desert if you were the head of a party and needed to see some friendly faces. Even if they friendlies were ordered to smile and shake hands with you.

The extra bonus in all this is the MSM has cast David Vitter’s face all over the screen and rescandalizing him. I think he got off pretty easy the first time but he is straight so he is still one of the good old boys.

Suzanne @ 55

I wonder if that cell phone belonged to someone in Spector’s office.

Suz, have I ever told you that I absolutely ADORE the byzantine nature of your mind?

Did anyone catch Olbermann’s Special Comment tonight. It seemed a bit of a stretch to me. And all of his previous Special Comments that I’ve caught were superb.

Suzanne @ 55

I wonder if that cell phone belonged to someone in Spector’s office.

Shouldn’t be that hard to get Billy Martin’s phone number and see whose number is similar to it.

Maybe this has been covered, but when I read the transcript of his arrest, they read him his rights,
and in there is his right to counsel.

This would be great! Especially is the Petraeus report is the prelude to “getting psyched” for Iran (starting next Monday supposedly). If one gay republican could derail the Iran hype train I’d buy him a male prostitute myslelf. You earned it Craig!

old habits die hard and figuring out crook stuff is what i did – trying to out think ‘em if you will.

The Dems should be having ‘backroom’ meetings with Craig right now trying to convince him to switch parties as Lieberman insurance.

Suzanne @ 63

old habits die hard and figuring out crook stuff is what i did – trying to out think ‘em if you will.

same here, except my ‘crooks’ had lots and lots of nuclear weapons, VX nerve gas, and militarized Anthrax. I’ll trade ya…

David McGiffert @ 62

Maybe this has been covered, but when I read the transcript of his arrest, they read him his rights,
and in there is his right to counsel.

Right. On the tape I heard, too.

darkblack @ 57

Suzanne @ 55

I wonder if that cell phone belonged to someone in Spector’s office.

ding

;>)

Oops, wrong number…!!! ;-)

wigwam @ 60

Did anyone catch Olbermann’s Special Comment tonight. It seemed a bit of a stretch to me. And all of his previous Special Comments that I’ve caught were superb.

i liked it.
but i am a sucker for any public rants against cheneybu$hco.

too over the top?

althespook @ 65

Suzanne @ 63

old habits die hard and figuring out crook stuff is what i did – trying to out think ‘em if you will.

same here, except my ‘crooks’ had lots and lots of nuclear weapons, VX nerve gas, and militarized Anthrax. I’ll trade ya…

don’t matter what they are shooting at ya when they are shooting at ya

David McGiffert @ 62

Maybe this has been covered, but when I read the transcript of his arrest, they read him his rights,
and in there is his right to counsel.

That is undoubtedly true.

But if your point is that he didn’t need to have the judge separately advise him of his right to counsel, or that he didn’t need to explicitly waive it at his change-of-plea, I respectfully disagree with you.

(Note: I use the alaska terminology of a “change of plea” i.e. from not guilty to guilty. The correct term in Minnasota is “petition to accept guilty plea.”)

TexBetsy @ 34

EPU’d

Kirk, a small leak in a pipe, but ongoing for more than a week. Wash all the clothes in the closet? washing machine-type wash? Or cleaners?

The extent of the moisture determines what to do.

For damp fabrics, one would “clean” as per usual (launder/toxic nasty solvents. i’m just sayin’)

[In dry places, if the air sucked the water out of the clothes the same day, no biggie - they closet dried.]

When mildew starts, the odor is a really sensitive clue as to whether or not you’ve got it all.

[BTW - all this assumes leak was drinking water.]

Hey, Suzanne
When/if you get a chance, could you let the behind-the-curtain folks know that the FDL book Salon schedule is a bit wonky? Sept 9th is listed twice, and one of the book images is the same in two different listings.
FunnyD the Picayune

I assume Mr. TRex will persuade firedoglake to write one of them friend of the court letters in support that nice Senator Craig?
I do hope so.

FDL is heavily lawyered up with top notch lawyers and they could write a real good one. I can barely wait to read it.

kirk, she’s gone to bed but i’ll email her your comment

Suzanne @ 70

althespook @ 65

same here, except my ‘crooks’ had lots and lots of nuclear weapons, VX nerve gas, and militarized Anthrax. I’ll trade ya…

don’t matter what they are shooting at ya when they are shooting at ya

Duck and cover, duck and cover…!!! *g*

will do, funnyd – thanks

Chasm @ 65

The Dems should be having ‘backroom’ meetings with Craig right now trying to convince him to switch parties as Lieberman insurance.

Why? He’s a complete asshole and won’t vote with them. That would also be the surest way, in the `08 election, to lose that seat to another `pug.

thanks Suz – takes me so long to type I miss the thread….

CTuttle @ 67

Oops, wrong number…!!! ;-)

‘Sorry about that, Chief…’

;>)

wesgpc @ 74

I assume Mr. TRex will persuade firedoglake to write one of them friend of the court letters in support that nice Senator Craig?
I do hope so.

FDL is heavily lawyered up with top notch lawyers and they could write a real good one. I can barely wait to read it.

707!!!

What I really want to know is who is the Minneapolis city attorney. I would sure like him to publicly announce that if Senator Craig feels that he didn’t get a fair treatment, well then, he’ll stipulate to letting the Senator withdraw his plea. That would stir the pot, doncha think?

The best talking point on Cheney-Bush and Iraq/surge/Iran/whatever they plan to do over the next few months. I am practicing delivering it just the right way for some of the 25% deadenders in my family:

” Given the track record, who would trust these incompetents to expand our military involvement in the Middle East for almost any reason whatsoever?…

It’s like handing a drunk the keys to yet another car. Where he says he’s going is really beside the point. “

–Josh Marshall

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/052248.php

yellowdog jim @ 69

wigwam @ 60

Did anyone catch Olbermann’s Special Comment tonight. It seemed a bit of a stretch to me. And all of his previous Special Comments that I’ve caught were superb.

i liked it.
but i am a sucker for any public rants against cheneybu$hco.

too over the top?

I’m not sure. My wife didn’t like it, and she seems very tuned to general public sensibilities.

It fell flat for me, but in part it seemed he was playing a gotcha game where he hadn’t got. He tried to imply that withdrawing troops is an all-or-nothing thing. But, Bush is forced by logistics etc to withdraw a lot of troops over the next six months. But he’ll still have a lot of troops left in Iraq. The point is that bringing troops home and leaving troops there are not mutually contradictory notions. It’s easy to do both, i.e., some of each.

BigMitch @ 81

What I really want to know is who is the Minneapolis city attorney. I would sure like him to publicly announce that if Senator Craig feels that he didn’t get a fair treatment, well then, he’ll stipulate to letting the Senator withdraw his plea. That would stir the pot, doncha think?

what a nice man…

BigMitch @ 82

What I really want to know is who is the Minneapolis city attorney. I would sure like him to publicly announce that if Senator Craig feels that he didn’t get a fair treatment, well then, he’ll stipulate to letting the Senator withdraw his plea. That would stir the pot, doncha think?

Heh, Let the games, err.. trial begin…!!! ;-)

While I really am enjoying all the joking at Craig’s expense, I do have this nagging feeling that the real crap is gonna hit the fan before too long.

big mitch, have i mentioned how deviously you think – and how i admire it? (big ole grin)

althespook @ 85

BigMitch @ 81

What I really want to know is who is the Minneapolis city attorney. I would sure like him to publicly announce that if Senator Craig feels that he didn’t get a fair treatment, well then, he’ll stipulate to letting the Senator withdraw his plea. That would stir the pot, doncha think?

what a nice man…

I would applaud that.

wigwam @ 83

yellowdog jim @ 69

i liked it.
but i am a sucker for any public rants against cheneybu$hco.

too over the top?

I’m not sure. My wife didn’t like it, and she seems very tuned to general public sensibilities.

It fell flat for me, but in part it seemed he was playing a gotcha game where he hadn’t got. He tried to imply that withdrawing troops is an all-or-nothing thing. But, Bush is forced by logistics etc to withdraw a lot of troops over the next six months. But he’ll still have a lot of troops left in Iraq. The point is that bringing troops home and leaving troops there are not mutually contradictory notions. It’s easy to do both, i.e., some of each.

speaking of withdrawing troops….

here’s the experience the Brits had in basra, just abandoning their palace base for one at the airport. I hear Steve Gillard’s mocking laughter in the background…(and this blog is Main and Central, a pointy end of the sword blog, not some blue arrow thing…)

TJ @ 87

While I really am enjoying all the joking at Craig’s expense, I do have this nagging feeling that the real crap is gonna hit the fan before too long.

I don’t know if you mean that Larry Flynt is going to grab a headline, or some new fuckery in the mid-East. But I agree with you.

Suzanne @ 88

big mitch, have i mentioned how deviously you think – and how i admire it? (big ole grin)

Thank you ma’am.

TJ @ 87

While I really am enjoying all the joking at Craig’s expense, I do have this nagging feeling that the real crap is gonna hit the fan before too long.

Iran…???

BigMitch @ 91

Suzanne @ 88

big mitch, have i mentioned how deviously you think – and how i admire it? (big ole grin)

Thank you ma’am.

seconded. Byzantium is with us tonight here at the lake!

BigMitch @ 81

What I really want to know is who is the Minneapolis city attorney. I would sure like him to publicly announce that if Senator Craig feels that he didn’t get a fair treatment, well then, he’ll stipulate to letting the Senator withdraw his plea. That would stir the pot, doncha think?

So he can meet, er, have, er, attend his date in court? Splendid.

‘Defense calls a bathroom break, your honor’

;>)

wigwam @ 84

yellowdog jim @ 69

i liked it.
but i am a sucker for any public rants against cheneybu$hco.

too over the top?

I’m not sure. My wife didn’t like it, and she seems very tuned to general public sensibilities.

It fell flat for me, but in part it seemed he was playing a gotcha game where he hadn’t got. He tried to imply that withdrawing troops is an all-or-nothing thing. But, Bush is forced by logistics etc to withdraw a lot of troops over the next six months. But he’ll still have a lot of troops left in Iraq. The point is that bringing troops home and leaving troops there are not mutually contradictory notions. It’s easy to do both, i.e., some of each.

i hear ya.
as you say, he was stretching.
y’all are right.
i’m just in the mood for that and miss the finer points.
my rage release mechanism don’t always employ all the sensibilities.

you should write KO.

did you see him retract the piece they did on Vitter’s wife?

althespook @ 94

BigMitch @ 91

Thank you ma’am.

seconded. Byzantium is with us tonight here at the lake!

Heh, the logic is Byzantine in its circuitous route…!!!

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to get a bl*owjob in an airport.

– Sir Walter Scott (edited by Mitch)

(EDITED BY MOD to pass filters)

So how do we get the MSM to ask the City Attorney for his position on Craig’s statements.

yellowdog jim @ 96

wigwam @ 84

I’m not sure. My wife didn’t like it, and she seems very tuned to general public sensibilities.

It fell flat for me, but in part it seemed he was playing a gotcha game where he hadn’t got. He tried to imply that withdrawing troops is an all-or-nothing thing. But, Bush is forced by logistics etc to withdraw a lot of troops over the next six months. But he’ll still have a lot of troops left in Iraq. The point is that bringing troops home and leaving troops there are not mutually contradictory notions. It’s easy to do both, i.e., some of each.

i hear ya.
as you say, he was stretching.
y’all are right.
i’m just in the mood for that and miss the finer points.
my rage release mechanism don’t always employ all the sensibilities.

you should write KO.

did you see him retract the piece they did on Vitter’s wife?

Yeah, I thought it would be lights out for Alison.

Penguin @ 63

This would be great! Especially is the Petraeus report is the prelude to “getting psyched” for Iran (starting next Monday supposedly). If one gay republican could derail the Iran hype train I’d buy him a male prostitute myslelf. You earned it Craig!

Why is everyone still calling it the Petraeus report? It’s common knowledge the White House is actually producing this complete sack of lying shit. Petraeus is but the latest bush puppet.

Oh, goodie!!! My letter to Senator Craig urging him to stand and fight worked!!! Nobody likes a quitter, Larry, you’re doing the right thing and they OWE YOU.

CTuttle @ 93

TJ @ 87

While I really am enjoying all the joking at Craig’s expense, I do have this nagging feeling that the real crap is gonna hit the fan before too long.

Iran…???

That’s my big fear.

ooops, I must have been edited out for nastiness. Sorry, mod.

CTuttle @ 96

Heh, the logic is Byzantine in its circuitous route…!!!

Inconceivable!

;>)

BigMitch @ 100

Yeah, I thought it would be lights out for Alison.

i was impressed.

BigMitch @ 98

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to get a bl*owjob in an airport.

– Sir Walter Scott (edited by Mitch)

(EDITED BY MOD to pass filters)

freed ya mitch

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to get anonymous sex in an airport bathroom.

__ Sir Walter Scott (as edited by Mitch)

{better?]

you just forgot your * the first time, mitch

Dang, why do I have to keep putting quarters in the juke box…

David McGiffert @ 62

Maybe this has been covered, but when I read the transcript of his arrest, they read him his rights,
and in there is his right to counsel.

Yes, he was read his Miranda rights after his arrest. That pertains to the validity of his post-arrest statement. Advisement of the right to counsel when pleading guilty is completely separate.

Good night, dear friends.

epu’d…

Bionic @ 550

TRex @ 99

Uh, women don’t really cruise public places for anonymous sex.

Unless there is a thriving Lesbian Toilet Underworld that I don’t know about.

I too was wondering about this. I had never heard of the Thriving Lesbian Toilet Underground.

Then I thought of a reason why. Who thinks twice if one woman asks another to go to the powder room with her?

Damn, is there enough popcorn in the world to keep us supplied these days?

Bwahahahaha! This just keeps getting better.

yellowdog jim @ 96

wigwam @ 84

I’m not sure. My wife didn’t like it, and she seems very tuned to general public sensibilities.

It fell flat for me, but in part it seemed he was playing a gotcha game where he hadn’t got. He tried to imply that withdrawing troops is an all-or-nothing thing. But, Bush is forced by logistics etc to withdraw a lot of troops over the next six months. But he’ll still have a lot of troops left in Iraq. The point is that bringing troops home and leaving troops there are not mutually contradictory notions. It’s easy to do both, i.e., some of each.

i hear ya.
as you say, he was stretching.
y’all are right.
i’m just in the mood for that and miss the finer points.
my rage release mechanism don’t always employ all the sensibilities.

you should write KO.

did you see him retract the piece they did on Vitter’s wife?

I missed the one about Vitter’s wife but heard about it.

I’m a very big fan of KO and watch him almost every night. This is the only time in my experience that he has been less than superb. (And maybe it was just me and my mood.)

Suzanne @ 107

BigMitch @ 98

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to get a bl*owjob in an airport.

– Sir Walter Scott (edited by Mitch)

(EDITED BY MOD to pass filters)

freed ya mitch

(my bold)

deleting mental image.

CTuttle @ 110

Dang, why do I have to keep putting quarters in the juke box…

Hmmm… I didn’t have the edit button…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFCGn_bU_kI

Jeralyn in da house!

TalkLeft @ 111

David McGiffert @ 62

Maybe this has been covered, but when I read the transcript of his arrest, they read him his rights,
and in there is his right to counsel.

Yes, he was read his Miranda rights after his arrest. That pertains to the validity of his post-arrest statement. Advisement of the right to counsel when pleading guilty is completely separate.

Thanks, Jerilyn.

I will watch the Olbermann special comment. I see 90% of that kind of TV on the internet, so have to wait until its posted.

I gotta say that I dislike the Iraq war reduced to debates about troop withdrawal. It is very important, I won’t deny that, since thousands of lives and billions of public funds are at stake.

But why so little debate about the big picture? We have tried mindless violence and it has failed completely. The US will need to use other means to try to avoid disaster -regional conference, comprehensive negotiations with Iraq neighbors, some kind of reformation of Iraq political order that is not a tansparent and foolish attempt to manipulate or set up a puppet government. That last one cannot be done under US auspices. The old farts will have to surrender their Risk fantasies of control. It will take UN or some kind of mulitlateral action with real political and legal credibility.

I have been a little shook up (prolly several people will say I am a naive fool -that is true, OK, I agree) but I have been shook up to find that the mindless violence school of foreign relations and national security has kind of seeped into the mainstream. UN? Multilateral action? Negotiations? That is for losers. The big boys (that is, US, the great and manly sole “hyperpower”) manipulate and scheme (stupidly) and it that doesn’t work, then the big boys kill people and blow up their homes (immorally and futilely). The depravity is disgusting. Yet we see these bogus foreign policy experts, empty sloganeers who are experts on everything and nothing, saying this, or implying it with a wink and a nudge.

Seems like talking about big picture would be a way for Democrats to say something positive and constructive. It would give them courage to escape the conventional wisdom BS mindtrap of withdrawal=defeatism=loserhood, etc.

Some will say the Democrats are really bought and paid for just like GOP. May be. But would be nice to test them to talk big picture. If they can’t or won’t then I hope everyone is saving money for electing lots of new people to congress next year.

(face burning red with shame at mis-spelling jeralyn’s name)

BigMitch @ 112

Good night, dear friends.

Nite, Mitch!!!

kirk murphy @ 117

Jeralyn in da house!

woo hoo! What’s new dear Jeralyn?

TalkLeft @ 111

David McGiffert @ 62

Maybe this has been covered, but when I read the transcript of his arrest, they read him his rights,
and in there is his right to counsel.

Yes, he was read his Miranda rights after his arrest. That pertains to the validity of his post-arrest statement. Advisement of the right to counsel when pleading guilty is completely separate.

I was questioning the veracity of the call, no snark involved???

CT, there are two separate rights(amongst others) — right to have a lawyer present while being questioned

and

right to have a lawyer represent you and present your defense during trial (and any judicial proceedings).

wigwam @ 115

yellowdog jim @ 96

i hear ya.
as you say, he was stretching.
y’all are right.
i’m just in the mood for that and miss the finer points.
my rage release mechanism don’t always employ all the sensibilities.

you should write KO.

did you see him retract the piece they did on Vitter’s wife?

I missed the one about Vitter’s wife but heard about it.

I’m a very big fan of KO and watch him almost every night. This is the only time in my experience that he has been less than superb. (And maybe it was just me and my mood.)

i admire that we should hold our side, the good guys, to a higher standard.
KO’s had bad shows.
he’s raised expectations so high, we expect a lot.

ko was out when they did a hit piece on vitter’s wife for what she was wearing to the press conference.

ko did a principled retraction and apologized to mrs. vitter.

I wonder what the good Senator from Idaho was even doing in Minneapolis on that ill fated day? Is it at all possible that this representative of the party of fiscal responsibility flew into Mineaopolis at taxpayer expense for the sole purpose of getting ot on in a men’s restroom? Just wondering.

yellowdog jim @ 115

Suzanne @ 107

freed ya mitch

(my bold)

deleting mental image.

Only DrDick’s brain bleach can fully wash one’s cortex…
But it’s a good thing you’re not going where the handcuffs hit the mattress.

;>)

Suzanne @ 125

CT, there are two separate rights(amongst others) — right to have a lawyer present while being questioned

and

right to have a lawyer represent you and present your defense during trial (and any judicial proceedings).

Yes’m, I’m a trained paralegal, I was referring to the Craig call to Billy Martin, is it legit? *g*

darkblack @ 128

yellowdog jim @ 115

(my bold)

deleting mental image.

Only DrDick’s brain bleach can fully wash one’s cortex…
But it’s a good thing you’re not going where the handcuffs hit the mattress.

;>)

i was going to sleep.

wesgpc @ 120

I will watch the Olbermann special comment. I see 90% of that kind of TV on the internet, so have to wait until its posted.

I gotta say that I dislike the Iraq war reduced to debates about troop withdrawal. It is very important, I won’t deny that, since thousands of lives and billions of public funds are at stake.

But why so little debate about the big picture? We have tried mindless violence and it has failed completely. The US will need to use other means to try to avoid disaster -regional conference, comprehensive negotiations with Iraq neighbors, some kind of reformation of Iraq political order that is not a tansparent and foolish attempt to manipulate or set up a puppet government. That last one cannot be done under US auspices. The old farts will have to surrender their Risk fantasies of control. It will take UN or some kind of mulitlateral action with real political and legal credibility.

I have been a little shook up (prolly several people will say I am a naive fool -that is true, OK, I agree) but I have been shook up to find that the mindless violence school of foreign relations and national security has kind of seeped into the mainstream. UN? Multilateral action? Negotiations? That is for losers. The big boys (that is, US, the great and manly sole “hyperpower”) manipulate and scheme (stupidly) and it that doesn’t work, then the big boys kill people and blow up their homes (immorally and futilely). The depravity is disgusting. Yet we see these bogus foreign policy experts, empty sloganeers who are experts on everything and nothing, saying this, or implying it with a wink and a nudge.

Seems like talking about big picture would be a way for Democrats to say something positive and constructive. It would give them courage to escape the conventional wisdom BS mindtrap of withdrawal=defeatism=loserhood, etc.

Some will say the Democrats are really bought and paid for just like GOP. May be. But would be nice to test them to talk big picture. If they can’t or won’t then I hope everyone is saving money for electing lots of new people to congress next year.

The thing that gets to me about Iraq is that, just like in Vietnam, we have nothing real at stake. It’s all about macho vanity. If we leave nothing will happen to us, i.e., we have no national interest at stake.

The other thing is that we went to war to rid Iraq of WMDs and the means to produce them. But that objective had already been quietly achieved by Bill Clinton at (almost) no cost in terms of American lives and dollars.

Technicolouryawn @ 127

I wonder what the good Senator from Idaho was even doing in Minneapolis on that ill fated day? Is it at all possible that this representative of the party of fiscal responsibility flew into Mineaopolis at taxpayer expense for the sole purpose of getting ot on in a men’s restroom? Just wondering.

iirc, he regularly flew into dc and back to idaho by way of changing planes in minn. apparently, there are no direct flights.

Technicolouryawn @ 126

I wonder what the good Senator from Idaho was even doing in Minneapolis on that ill fated day? Is it at all possible that this representative of the party of fiscal responsibility flew into Mineaopolis at taxpayer expense for the sole purpose of getting ot on in a men’s restroom? Just wondering.

He was quoted earlier to the effect he was changing planes at Minneapolis for a connecting flight to home where he lives alone. His wife resides in Chicago and has for some time, IIRC

darkblack @ 127

yellowdog jim @ 115

(my bold)

deleting mental image.

Only DrDick’s brain bleach can fully wash one’s cortex…
But it’s a good thing you’re not going where the handcuffs hit the mattress.

;>)

Now who wouldn’t want to come to San Francisco?

never mind, ct… doing a lot of emily quoting tonight

i’m gonna be headed off to bed soon – my typo to word ratio is all outta whack – a sure clue that i’m getting tired.

kirk murphy @ 113

epu’d…

Bionic @ 550

the Thriving Lesbian Toilet Underground.

I saw them open for Smashing Pumpkins back in ‘96, I think.

darkblack @ 128

yellowdog jim @ 115

(my bold)

deleting mental image.

Only DrDick’s brain bleach can fully wash one’s cortex…
But it’s a good thing you’re not going where the handcuffs hit the mattress.

;>)

Now if it’s Suz…!!! ;-)

SteveAudio @ 135

kirk murphy @ 113

epu’d…

I saw them open for Smashing Pumpkins back in ‘96, I think.

And if they didn’t they soon will. As an indie band name, that one is a surefire winner. (i’m emailing it to IndieTits as we type…)

darkblack @ 29

BigMitch @ 21

(disclaimer: I may have played a psychologist on TV, once)

;>)

Huh?

CTuttle @ 137

darkblack @ 128

Only DrDick’s brain bleach can fully wash one’s cortex…
But it’s a good thing you’re not going where the handcuffs hit the mattress.

;>)

Now if it’s Suz…!!! ;-)

could be better for us if she never saw any of this

kirk murphy @ 134

Now who wouldn’t want to come to San Francisco?

It’s fine if you just want to mallow out.

;>)

you are not gonna be that lucky, ydj

yellowdog jim @ 140

CTuttle @ 137

Now if it’s Suz…!!! ;-)

could be better for us if she never saw any of this

Trust me I’m ducking…!!! ;-)

too late, ct, too late

SteveAudio @ 138

darkblack @ 29

Huh?

hey, if dick cheney can be in Die Hard III: OMFG Why Did We Make This Stupid Sequel, then BigMitch can play a shrink on Tee Vee.

(poof) g’nite all

wigwam @ 131

wesgpc @ 120

…I hope everyone is saving money for electing lots of new people to congress next year.

The thing that gets to me about Iraq is that, just like in Vietnam, we have nothing real at stake. It’s all about macho vanity. If we leave nothing will happen to us, i.e., we have no national interest at stake.

The other thing is that we went to war to rid Iraq of WMDs and the means to produce them. But that objective had already been quietly achieved by Bill Clinton at (almost) no cost in terms of American lives and dollars.

I would agree that there was no reason to invade. I thought it was both a very dumb and very wicked thing to do.

But I think there are national interests at stake, and national security at stake now, because we have made a big mess there.

Thing is, it is not a mess we can clean up by violence or military, or by playing stupid Machiavellian tricks, or duplicitous and cynical scheming, which is all I hear the bigshots talking about anymore.

Suzanne @ 144

too late, ct, too late

Oops…?!!! ;-)

althespook @ 145

SteveAudio @ 138

hey, if dick cheney can be in Die Hard III: OMFG Why Did We Make This Stupid Sequel, then BigMitch can play a shrink on Tee Vee.

Actually, it was darkblack. I screwed up the html in the quote.

Suzanne @ 145

(poof) g’nite all

nite suz. (poof too)

Suzanne @ 146

(poof) g’nite all

you made me laugh SOOOO hard

Suzanne @ 146

(poof) g’nite all

Poof? Dang, no same bat channel… Nite, Ma Cheri!!!

Suzanne @ 142

you are not gonna be that lucky, ydj

still laughing

CTuttle @ 93

TJ @ 87

While I really am enjoying all the joking at Craig’s expense, I do have this nagging feeling that the real crap is gonna hit the fan before too long.

Iran…???

Naw. You’re thinking way too small. Think really big news.

Torre resigns!

burnspbesq @ 154

CTuttle @ 93

Iran…???

Naw. You’re thinking way too small. Think really big news.

Torre resigns!

Earth-shattering for the center of the earth, eh??? ;-)

SteveAudio @ 149

Actually, it was darkblack.

‘There thou goeth, anon’

;>)

darkblack @ 140

kirk murphy @ 134

Now who wouldn’t want to come to San Francisco?

It’s fine if you just want to mallow out.

;>)

eek!

I’m afraid to go to sleep…

CTuttle @ 155

burnspbesq @ 154

Naw. You’re thinking way too small. Think really big news.

Torre resigns!

Earth-shattering for the center of the earth, eh??? ;-)

Makes no difference in my world. The Angels have pwned the Yankees for several years.

TheOtherWA @ 114

Damn, is there enough popcorn in the world to keep us supplied these days?

When every farmer with more than 160 acres of corn starts selling to ExxonMobil instead of Orville Redenbacher, there won’t be.

Ethanol from corn may not be the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, but it’s right up there with repealing the estate tax.

I would love to see a double whammy: Craig staying in the spotlight as a festering symbol of republican hypocrisy AND making people think about the silliness of wasting police resources on sexual entrapment… Would that be, like, hitting the bifecta?

darkblack @ 156

SteveAudio @ 149

Actually, it was darkblack.

‘There thou goeth, anon’

;>)

Ome of my faves of your work.

But what does that have to do with you playing a psychologist on teh teevee?

Japandrew @ 159

I would love to see a double whammy: Craig staying in the spotlight as a festering symbol of republican hypocrisy AND making people think about the silliness of wasting police resources on sexual entrapment… Would that be, like, hitting the bifecta?

BOLWS

(bending over laughing, wide-stanced)

I was so against the stupid Iraq invasion, and so disoriented by the insane mood of the country that I managed to delude myself into thinking it would all be a clever feint. I guess it was a sad effort on my part to retain my sanity. See, I figured, maybe these guys really are the, clever strong daddy government in foreign policy, if bad news in other ways.

OK, now get this. We act like we are going to invade. Squeeze so many concessions out of Saddam that he will weaken himself fatally. OK, THEN after we got inspectors and spies and whatnot crawling all over the country for a year or two, and get the concessions we want, we move the forces to Afghanistan and rebuild that country, finish the job there.

I was hoping that was the plan. OK, I was psychologically desperate. I admit it.

Then they invaded. And I said “Ok, these people are really dumb and really bad in ever way imaginable.” Which I knew already but I didn’t want to admit to myself how bad and how dumb they were.

SteveAudio @ 158

CTuttle @ 155

Earth-shattering for the center of the earth, eh??? ;-)

Makes no difference in my world. The Angels have pwned the Yankees for several years.

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

CTuttle @ 164

SteveAudio @ 158

Makes no difference in my world. The Angels have pwned the Yankees for several years.

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

Angels v. Giants, 7 games, 2002…

burnspbesq @ 159

TheOtherWA @ 114

Damn, is there enough popcorn in the world to keep us supplied these days?

When every farmer with more than 160 acres of corn starts selling to ExxonMobil instead of Orville Redenbacher, there won’t be.

Ethanol from corn may not be the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, but it’s right up there with repealing the estate tax.

star wars anti-missile system

TJ @ 87

While I really am enjoying all the joking at Craig’s expense, I do have this nagging feeling that the real crap is gonna hit the fan before too long.

Horrible prospect: Craig’s the distraction while they ‘roll out a new product.’

yellowdog jim @ 165

burnspbesq @ 159

When every farmer with more than 160 acres of corn starts selling to ExxonMobil instead of Orville Redenbacher, there won’t be.

Ethanol from corn may not be the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, but it’s right up there with repealing the estate tax.

star wars anti-missile system

globalization…

and disco

SteveAudio @ 165

CTuttle @ 164

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

Angels v. Giants, 7 games, 2002…

Yeah, but, Bosox v. Yanks, 7 games, 2004 was pure bliss!!! ;-)

CTuttle @ 164

SteveAudio @ 158

Makes no difference in my world. The Angels have pwned the Yankees for several years.

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

I am so looking forward to watching the Angels’ catchers try to contain the Mets’ running game in the World Series.

Snicker.

No, wait.

Guffaw.

I love that “the Angels succeed by playing National League baseball in the American League” meme.

Fuhgedaboudit.

When the Mets come to town, Angel fans will see what National League baseball really looks like.

night all -

sleep tight and don’t let the bedbugs bite.

or the bushbots…

Ethanol and biodiesel can be made from many things besides corn. I’m guessing the farmers and corn state legislators jumped on that crop as a way to start making real money again. Can’t say I blame them, but no, a food staple can’t all go toward fuel production.

kirk murphy @ 157

eek!

I’m afraid to go to sleep…

There, there…Better?

;>)

SteveAudio @ 161

But what does that have to do with you playing a psychologist on teh teevee?

They wouldn’t have me on Broadway…Too much of a ham, they said.

;>)

G’nite, FDL

kirk murphy @ 171

night all -

sleep tight and don’t let the bedbugs bite.

or the bushbots…

Nite, Doc!!!

I really need to stop pressing the refresh button and head to bed myself.

burnspbesq @ 170

CTuttle @ 164

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

I am so looking forward to watching the Angels’ catchers try to contain the Mets’ running game in the World Series.

Snicker.

No, wait.

Guffaw.

The road runs through Fenway…!!!

burnspbesq @ 170

CTuttle @ 164

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

I am so looking forward to watching the Angels’ catchers try to contain the Mets’ running game in the World Series.

Snicker.

No, wait.

Guffaw.

Granted, the catcher position in Anaheim has suffered since the departure of los hermanos molinas, but dude, have you seen Jeff Mathis’ arm.

And in re: running game, let me introduce you to Chone Figgins and Reggie Willits.

SteveAudio @ 165

CTuttle @ 164

That they have and I’m a Angels fan for it, and because it the only regular feed I get besides the Giants and Dodgers and I’m an AL fanatic…!!!

Angels v. Giants, 7 games, 2002…

Very tough series for us Giants fans, but very competitive.

wesgpc @ 147

wigwam @ 131

The thing that gets to me about Iraq is that, just like in Vietnam, we have nothing real at stake. It’s all about macho vanity. If we leave nothing will happen to us, i.e., we have no national interest at stake.

The other thing is that we went to war to rid Iraq of WMDs and the means to produce them. But that objective had already been quietly achieved by Bill Clinton at (almost) no cost in terms of American lives and dollars.

I would agree that there was no reason to invade. I thought it was both a very dumb and very wicked thing to do.

But I think there are national interests at stake, and national security at stake now, because we have made a big mess there.

Thing is, it is not a mess we can clean up by violence or military, or by playing stupid Machiavellian tricks, or duplicitous and cynical scheming, which is all I hear the bigshots talking about anymore.

My perspective is very simple.

We walked away from Vietnam, and nothing bad happened to us. Bad things happened to Cambodians, and maybe it was our fault and maybe not. But our national interests were not harmed by that withdrawal.

I’m of the opinion that the same is true of Iraq. Perhaps it’ll be hard on the Iraqis if we leave, but it won’t be hard on us. We have no “national interest” at stake.

So, when Bush wants to argue that we should stay, he starts talking like a “bleeding-heart liberal.” Stuff at which the conservatives and the Henry Kissinger realpolitik folks usually laugh. But they don’t laugh and not because they’ve become bleeding hearts but because they have an imperial agenda at stake. They want to occupy those permanent bases and control the last barrel of petroleum.

Being a bleeding-heart liberal myself, I’m not insensitive to the plight of the Iraqis, but their old scores are going to get settled however they are going to settle them. By staying, we may be able to postpone some things, but I doubt we can prevent them.

Nite, DB and TJ!!!

marymccurnin @ 18

Leaving a message on the wrong phone is an indication of how panicked Craig must be. Deer in the head lights kind of thing. His fear of being found out is being overtaken by his fear of self realization. Finally, after all of these years he has come to learn that having sex with men means you are GAY, baby.

The phone call on the wrong phone occurred well after his plea. When he realized it was “out”…of course he would be panicked THEN.

Craig can, of course, REQUEST that the judge set aside his guilty plea and reconsider the conviction. But the judge will not be very happy about it, and need not do so. He would need to have a VERY GOOD reason…such as the possibility that Craig is incapable of understanding his legal rights. Given that Craig was read his Miranda rights, and called the Police subsequently, telling TWO different officers that he needed the name and phone number of the Prosecuting Attorney “for my legal firm” it seems he was well aware of his ability to challenge the police claims, and use legal counsel.

I suspect he, in fact, did. It would be very interesting to see what the D.A.’s office says about who contacted them regarding Craig’s case…was it Craig, or a lawyer? And given the fact that Craig submitted a lawyerly PLEA form…it would seem that someone did in fact obtain this from the D.A. I’m sure the DA will tell the judge if he has any indication that an outside counsel was consulted and what he told Craig about this.

Craig is so astute that back in 1982, when the FBI interviewed him regarding assertions by Congressional Pages that he approached them for sex, that he insisted he be interviewed AT HIS LAWYERS OFFICE! It seems that Craig got away with this activity because he refused to confess at that time…while two other Congressman admitted their activities.

I don’t think that the Governor can “forcibly evict” Craig from his seat. Craig has to leave voluntarily, and only then is there the capability for the Governor to appoint a replacement.

The SENATE CAN, after a ethics hearing, censure or evict Craig from his seat…but this would require more than just the Republicans. They cannot throw him out of his seat…only the Senate as a whole can do so.

They could turn him out of their Caucus and declare him a “Non-Republican”. They have already removed him from his Committee positions. Why the Ranching and Mining interests in Idaho would want such a weakened figure in power is beyond my understanding.

Personally I hope that he stays until the bloody aftermath and runs for office again…perhaps even against the Republican nominee that follows him. He could scream how he was “railroaded”, how the Party didn’t treat confessed diaper-perv. David Witter in the same way, and how it’s well-known that the leadership of the Party is filled with closeted gays.

And if the Democrats can find a decent, populist candidate to run they may actually take back the seat long held by Frank Church.

I wonder if people like Picabo Street, the former Secretary of State Larry Echohawk, or former NFL Quarterback (and Idaho native) Jake Plummer. Also that guy that plays Gil Grissum from CSI (William Petersen) is from Idaho, though a longtime Chicago resident.

I don’t know if any of these folks are Democrats (other than Echohawk)…but they appear to be a lot saner than what Idaho has recently offered.

SteveAudio @ 177

burnspbesq @ 170

I am so looking forward to watching the Angels’ catchers try to contain the Mets’ running game in the World Series.

Snicker.

No, wait.

Guffaw.

Granted, the catcher position in Anaheim has suffered since the departure of los hermanos molinas, but dude, have you seen Jeff Mathis’ arm.

And in re: running game, let me introduce you to Chone Figgins and Reggie Willits.

That’s an Epiphone running game. Reyes, Castillo, Wright, and Beltran: Gibson Custom Shop.

newtonusr @ 178

SteveAudio @ 165

Angels v. Giants, 7 games, 2002…

Very tough series for us Giants fans, but very competitive.

Indeed. With all due respect, the Giants that years were a badass team. That’s why they went to the Series.

wesgpc @ 163

Then they invaded. And I said “Ok, these people are really dumb and really bad in ever way imaginable.” Which I knew already but I didn’t want to admit to myself how bad and how dumb they were.

i hear tell they planned it:
1) destroy the country and grind it into the dirt;
2) make all holy hell of sectarian violence explode;
3) give up on political process;
then
4) establish their puppet military dictatorship
(Halliburtonistan)
THEN
5) rebuild and let the oil money flow.

AK told me.
he said we can stop them.
i don’t remember that part.
it’s at his blog.

SteveAudio @ 177

burnspbesq @ 170

I am so looking forward to watching the Angels’ catchers try to contain the Mets’ running game in the World Series.

Snicker.

No, wait.

Guffaw.

Granted, the catcher position in Anaheim has suffered since the departure of los hermanos molinas, but dude, have you seen Jeff Mathis’ arm.

And in re: running game, let me introduce you to Chone Figgins and Reggie Willits.

Heck, all the Molinas are good catchers, but Varitek is the master of the craft…!!!

With apologies to the tongue in my cheek — (I am also listed in his e-mail as an “Idahoan living outside of Idaho” — which is actually true if you count all of the potatoes I have eaten over the years.)

SENATOR CRAIG, PLEASE DO NOT RESIGN

Dear Senator Craig,

Please do not resign. We need you in the Senate to stand tall for the American people. You have had a distinguished career. Do not let the possibly illegal entrapment by airport police or the sudden disdain of your fellow Republicans dissuade you from following the dictates of your conscience.

Be the man you are, a conservative man of principle, a staunch supporter of the NRA. Stay in the Senate. Don’t allow the disingenuous slings and arrows of cowardly political operatives control your fate. Stand up to the naysayers. You were elected to serve Idaho. Stay in office, Senator, until your term expires. Otherwise, the witchhunters will have won. And the real Idahoans will have lost.

For the sake of conservative America, please hold your head up high as the rightfully elected Senator from Idaho. Don’t give in to bigotry. Be proud. Be courageous. Be yourself. The Senior Senator from Idaho.

Stay strong,

I’ve been out at a meeting trying to locally reconstruct the Democratic Party along modern lines, and I come here to discover that – WTF! – Larry Craig is still with us? Please, god, tell me that Don Young went to the same class as did Sen. Craig on framing your arguments…

wigwam says September 5th, 2007 at 12:01 am:
Re Iraq

Well, we are agreed on one thing: LEAVE!
I disagree with you that no national interests are at stake. But I think that any kind of staying around militarily would make a bad situation worse. As far as I am concerned, proposals floated by some Dems to keep a large force their, even if drastically reduced, is just as bad as staying the course.

The US simply cannot continue to pretend it can control the situation. We screwed it up and we canot fix it militarily, with a big medium or small military presence. So, leave.

darkblack @ 172

kirk murphy @ 157

eek!

I’m afraid to go to sleep…

There, there…Better?

;>)

G’nite, FDL

g’nite darkblack – thanks for the happy dreams.

all better now.

except I can’t find my binkie.

g’nite lake

must.find.binkie

SteveAudio @ 183

newtonusr @ 178

Very tough series for us Giants fans, but very competitive.

Indeed. With all due respect, the Giants that years were a badass team. That’s why they went to the Series.

After the shellacking we got by the A’s in ‘89, we weren’t going to get our hopes too high. But after Game 6 (Game 6!), we all thought we had it locked.
The Angels were nothing but heart.

burnspbesq @ 182

SteveAudio @ 177

Granted, the catcher position in Anaheim has suffered since the departure of los hermanos molinas, but dude, have you seen Jeff Mathis’ arm.

And in re: running game, let me introduce you to Chone Figgins and Reggie Willits.

That’s an Epiphone running game. Reyes, Castillo, Wright, and Beltran: Gibson Custom Shop.

While I disagree, that’s an artful metaphor, which only a few of us here, like you, me, and darkblack will get.

Goodnight, all.

It looks like KO’s Special Comment worked for a lot of other people: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/4/22415/50823

So, maybe I didn’t get enough sleep.

CTuttle @ 185

SteveAudio @ 177

Granted, the catcher position in Anaheim has suffered since the departure of los hermanos molinas, but dude, have you seen Jeff Mathis’ arm.

And in re: running game, let me introduce you to Chone Figgins and Reggie Willits.

Heck, all the Molinas are good catchers, but Varitek is the master of the craft…!!!

Varitek is indeed a serious practicioner of the art. But I think he’s somewhat past his glory days.

Still, a quality player.

Nite, Kirk!!!

newtonusr @ 190

SteveAudio @ 183

Indeed. With all due respect, the Giants that years were a badass team. That’s why they went to the Series.

After the shellacking we got by the A’s in ‘89, we weren’t going to get our hopes too high. But after Game 6 (Game 6!), we all thought we had it locked.
The Angels were nothing but heart.

Pam, my wife, the serious Angels fan in the house, was running around screaming and crying at the same time.

Amazing series indeed.

newtonusr @ 190

SteveAudio @ 183

Indeed. With all due respect, the Giants that years were a badass team. That’s why they went to the Series.

After the shellacking we got by the A’s in ‘89, we weren’t going to get our hopes too high. But after Game 6 (Game 6!), we all thought we had it locked.
The Angels were nothing but heart.

…and those pesky Rally Monkeys…!!!

I’m chucking it for the night, too.
ttyl

SteveAudio @ 191

burnspbesq @ 182

That’s an Epiphone running game. Reyes, Castillo, Wright, and Beltran: Gibson Custom Shop.

While I disagree, that’s an artful metaphor, which only a few of us here, like you, me, and darkblack will get.

One of my dreams is to one day own a ‘58 or ‘59 double cutaway Special.

newtonusr @ 198

I’m chucking it for the night, too.
ttyl

Nite, Newton!!!

wigwam @ 193

It looks like KO’s Special Comment worked for a lot of other people: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/4/22415/50823

So, maybe I didn’t get enough sleep.

well that is the cathartic effect that i go there for, However, i think your analysis applies, if at less affective level.

we all need all the intelligence we can scrap together.

yellowdog jim says September 5th, 2007 at 12:04 am:
Re: they planned it.

Well, if so, they failed even on their on terms, in my opinion. If they think they can waste US and Iraqi lives for years on end hoping to stabilize the country enough for their oil buddies to cash in, well, I think they blew it on those terms as well.

I think that these people are so arrogant and incompetent, that the real truth is that they were a bunch of prima donna would-be geniuses who all had their own stupid little dreams and reasons in their heads. There was no one plan, there were half a dozen half-baked plans each faction thought would pan out, somehow or other.

Cheney’s faction probably was planning some idiotic geopoltical resource-war masterstroke. So much for his brilliant ideas.

wesgpc @ 188

wigwam says September 5th, 2007 at 12:01 am:
Re Iraq

Well, we are agreed on one thing: LEAVE!
I disagree with you that no national interests are at stake. But I think that any kind of staying around militarily would make a bad situation worse. As far as I am concerned, proposals floated by some Dems to keep a large force their, even if drastically reduced, is just as bad as staying the course.

The US simply cannot continue to pretend it can control the situation. We screwed it up and we canot fix it militarily, with a big medium or small military presence. So, leave.

The global gamesters have their hearts set on keeping those megabases to maintain our access to resources, particularly mideast petroleum. IMHO, it’ll kill us to burn that stuff, so it’s not worth so all that much. And we can probably buy it cheaper than we can stealing it.

burnspbesq @ 199

SteveAudio @ 191

While I disagree, that’s an artful metaphor, which only a few of us here, like you, me, and darkblack will get.

One of my dreams is to one day own a ‘58 or ‘59 double cutaway Special.

If you have a myspace account, go here, go to the pics page, and check out my ‘56 Junior being ressurected.

I’ve got to crash. G’nite all.

burnspbesq @ 199

SteveAudio @ 191

While I disagree, that’s an artful metaphor, which only a few of us here, like you, me, and darkblack will get.

One of my dreams is to one day own a ‘58 or ‘59 double cutaway Special.

My step-dad has a ‘61 Gibson double cutaway, a 12 string Martin, and an Ovation, I have a little familiarity!!!

wigwam says September 5th, 2007 at 12:13 am:

Well, looks like we agree more than we disagree.

Between Iraq and sadistic people mentioning the poor Giants over and over and OVER again, I better leave before I start weeping. Good night.

CTuttle @ 206

burnspbesq @ 199

One of my dreams is to one day own a ‘58 or ‘59 double cutaway Special.

My step-dad has a ‘61 Gibson double cutaway, a 12 string Martin, and an Ovation, I have a little familiarity!!!

While never being an Ovation fan, the other 2 are excellent instruments.

wigwam @ 205

I’ve got to crash. G’nite all.

Nite, Wigwam!!!

SteveAudio @ 208

CTuttle @ 206

My step-dad has a ‘61 Gibson double cutaway, a 12 string Martin, and an Ovation, I have a little familiarity!!!

While never being an Ovation fan, the other 2 are excellent instruments.

They’re comfortable…!!! ;-)

wesgpc @ 202

yellowdog jim says September 5th, 2007 at 12:04 am:
Re: they planned it.

Well, if so, they failed even on their on terms, in my opinion. If they think they can waste US and Iraqi lives for years on end hoping to stabilize the country enough for their oil buddies to cash in, well, I think they blew it on those terms as well.

the implosion has to look like incompetence and disastrous, so it can be the justification for their “last hope”, the military takeover.
once they crack down harder than saddam, things settle down.

there are some big bases that got built over there.

CTuttle @ 210

SteveAudio @ 208

While never being an Ovation fan, the other 2 are excellent instruments.

They’re comfortable…!!! ;-)

I know, for a lot of people, they were. But when I was skinny they never hung on my body comfortably, and now that i’m no longer skinny, it’s even worse.

Personal taste, really.

Everyone I know has a Telecaster, and I don;t like the way they feel, either. And yet I played my Les Paul Junior (modified within and inch of its life, mind you) for years, And it’s just another slab guitar.

>poof!

Nite, everyone.

*poof*

SteveAudio @ 212

CTuttle @ 210

They’re comfortable…!!! ;-)

I know, for a lot of people, they were. But when I was skinny they never hung on my body comfortably, and now that i’m no longer skinny, it’s even worse.

Personal taste, really.

Everyone I know has a Telecaster, and I don;t like the way they feel, either. And yet I played my Les Paul Junior (modified within and inch of its life, mind you) for years, And it’s just another slab guitar.

Heh, the spare tire is not conducive…!!! He has a Fender Strat too!

Dang, where’s all this pixie dust coming from! Some potent shit…! Nite, sleepers!!!

CTuttle @ 215

SteveAudio @ 212

I know, for a lot of people, they were. But when I was skinny they never hung on my body comfortably, and now that i’m no longer skinny, it’s even worse.

Personal taste, really.

Everyone I know has a Telecaster, and I don;t like the way they feel, either. And yet I played my Les Paul Junior (modified within and inch of its life, mind you) for years, And it’s just another slab guitar.

Heh, the spare tire is not conducive…!!! He has a Fender Strat too!

And indeed, so do I.

Speaking of strats, anyone see my post about the death anniversary of Stevie Ray, also posted at Crooks & Liars in their Late Night Music Club, a week ago Monday?

[/blogwhoring]

BTW The way I read the plea form submitted it is clear that Craig had the RIGHT to an attorney to counsel him. It provides several options in which Craig can inform the court of such Counsel and whether that oppoortunity was, in fact, utilized.

http://www.talkleft.com/docs/craigguiltyplea.pdf

While there is no explicit statement on the form as to that right it would be hard to see how anyone could construe that there was no such right, and that the opportunities mentioned on the form, indicated the contrary.

K, that’s it, I’m out.

Take it away, late shift!

SteveAudio @ 217

CTuttle @ 215

Heh, the spare tire is not conducive…!!! He has a Fender Strat too!

And indeed, so do I.

Speaking of strats, anyone see my post about the death anniversary of Stevie Ray, also posted at Crooks & Liars in their Late Night Music Club, a week ago Monday?

[/blogwhoring]

Hmmm… Gotta check it out! Here’s a good demo of some guitar pickings…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Ebcx-mTns

cinnamonape @ 218

BTW The way I read the plea form submitted it is clear that Craig had the RIGHT to an attorney to counsel him. It provides several options in which Craig can inform the court of such Counsel and whether that oppoortunity was, in fact, utilized.

http://www.talkleft.com/docs/craigguiltyplea.pdf

While there is no explicit statement on the form as to that right it would be hard to see how anyone could construe that there was no such right, and that the opportunities mentioned on the form, indicated the contrary.

Will the DA or Judge allow such fuckery…???

yellowdog jim says: September 5th, 2007 at 12:19 am:

Had to look one more time before I went to sleep.

So, you think that ‘crack down’ plan would work?
(I’ll check back tomorrow AM)

I don’t. Even if the US public would go along with it, which I don’t. Cheney-Bush will blow their ‘crack down’ plan too. I hope they don’t get a chance to try it. It might work if they could subsidize the oil flowing through violent chaos with public funds. Military and blood subsidy and hundreds of public $ costs per barrel of oil for their buddies and their vision of the greater good, maybe. But it would be a disaster on every way except in their own twisted view, and they are insane.

kirk murphy @ 117

Jeralyn in da house!

woo hoo! What’s new dear Jeralyn?

Thanks, Kirk, not much is new, but I’ll be taking the 6pm PT time slot hereat FDL on Thursday, so I hope you’ll come around.

Jeralyn Merritt @ 223

kirk murphy @ 117

Jeralyn in da house!

woo hoo! What’s new dear Jeralyn?

Thanks, Kirk, not much is new, but I’ll be taking the 6pm PT time slot hereat FDL on Thursday, so I hope you’ll come around.

For real? Kewl, the Lake expands…!!! *g*

Well, I guess I shall bid another fond adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!!

Anyone still awake?

I’m here, Betsy. Good morning. Can’t you sleep?

Not too well, but I may try back in a bit.

You up early or late Lindy?

Oy. I’m sorry to hear that. You in pain?

Haven’t been to bed yet. I don’t sleep well when everyone’s away.

Yeah. Not as bad as I was expecting after all the injections, but my body does not like sleeping on the couch.

Are the someplace fun?

*nod* mine either. I’m looking at the possibility of an injection in my shoulder. Not happy about that.

If you think New Orleans is fun, then yeah. They went to finish a contract.

A single one shouldn’t be too bad. Where would you have it done? Doc office?

Lindy @ 235

If you think New Orleans is fun, then yeah. They went to finish a contract.

Different answer than a few yrs ago. :(

When will they be back?

I’m not sure when they’ll be back. They are also working on our house and the shop.

The injection…probably at the doctor’s office.

I have gotten tremendous pain relief from mine, and usually deal with injection pain for only the first 24 hours. And this time it’s not bad at all.

That’s good. The doc said to give it a while to settle down (the shoulder). She still thinks it’s a pinched nerve. It’s been hurting for weeks, though.

Did I show you my photo album on facebook?

Lindy @ 240

That’s good. The doc said to give it a while to settle down (the shoulder). She still thinks it’s a pinched nerve. It’s been hurting for weeks, though.

Then you should probably try it. Have you had an MRI? Does it hurt through the whole arm? When I had my first shoulder injection(s) they did one or two shots where I expected they would but also one under the arm at about bra strap height, between ribs, and that one was the most effective.

Haven’t had an mri yet. I want to, but am not sure my insurance will pay for it.

Lindy @ 241

Did I show you my photo album on facebook?

remind me your facebook name?

or else write on my FB wall if you don’t want to post it here?

My last MRI, which I thought was just routine after the last set of injections, is what showed the changes/problems in my spine, and the reason they set up the injection series I just finished.

McCain update: Responding to N.H. High-Schoolers questions…McCain took umbrage at one’s questiions about whether he was too old and too pro-Iraq War to win.

“Thank’s a lot you little ingrate, you’re drafted”, McCain said.

Apparetly McCain really respects tough questions!

Then there is this tid-bit about who is behind the California Election Law shift that would turn over half its votes to the Republican candidate…and weaken it’s electoral strength to that of States like North Carolina as a result.

It’s the Swift-Boaters!

“Lawyers behind a California ballot proposal that could benefit the 2008 Republican presidential nominee have ties to a Texas homebuilder who financed attacks on Democrat John Kerry’s Vietnam War record in the 2004 presidential campaign.

Charles H. Bell and Thomas Hiltachk’s law firm banked nearly $65,000 in fees from a California-based political committee funded almost solely by Bob J. Perry that targeted Democrats in 2006. Perry, a major Republican donor, contributed nearly $4.5 million to the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that made unsubstantiated but damaging attacks on Kerry three years ago.

The Perry-financed committee in California, the Economic Freedom Fund, continued to spend money this year, mostly on legal expenses tied to an ongoing legal dispute in Indiana over phone calls made to voters in 2006. It lists the Sacramento law office’s address as its home and its Web site directs contributions to the firm, Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk. In addition, Bell serves as the committee’s treasurer.

Hiltachk has been pushing a proposal to revamp the way California awards its electoral votes, a change Democrats claim would rig the 2008 race. He and Bell are the sole officers of a new political committee, Californians for Equal Representation, that is raising money to place the plan on the ballot in June….

Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk is one of the most politically involved law firms in the state. According to a news story on its Web site, Bell keeps a life-sized cardboard image of President Bush in his office. Federal records show the firm does legal work for a host of political committees, most with Republican or business ties….
Perry, who is close with former White House adviser Karl Rove, donated $5 million to the Economic Freedom Fund in 2006. His contribution provided virtually all of the group’s budget for advertising, automated telephone calls and other expenses for races around the country.”

http://www.pe.com/ap_news/Cali…..479C.shtml

Here’s the link:

GORGEOUS flowers! Wow!

Looking at your digital art site now.

Oh, dear. You’ll be up the rest of the nite. It’s a never-ending site. I don’t throw anything away.

Actually I think I will get some sleep and leave the window open. Good night Lindy, Cinnamonape, lurkers.

Nite, Betsy. Take care and rest well.

Thanks for the link Cinnamonape. I figured it was those folks.

one thing on this earth that Big Media loves more than a rich, dead blond, it would have to be the spectacle of a nasty, mushrooming Gay Republican Sex Scandal. Mmmmm-mm.

I’m less hopeful. Gay prostitute Jeff Gannon evidently spent the night in the frigging White House, and the media took one glassy-eyed look and turned away…

Since the Late Night crew seems to have evaporated, I’ll leave this here for the Dawn Patrol to ponder.

I just stumbled across a really remarkable blog on the Los Angeles Times website. Christine Daniels is a veteran sporstwriter for the LAT. Until recently, she was Mike Penner, veteran sportswriter for the LAT. Her blog about her ongoing adventure is just riveting.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/womaninprogress/

OK, its late and I don’t know how many people are still up and reading, but I gotta tell you about Curtis Muhammad, who was on Democracy Now! today. Man, he is one wise dude, with a life-time of work as organizer, stretching back to the days of SNCC. The transcript is here, and every progressive who wants to be a grassroots community organizer needs to read what he had to say. His historical reminiscence of learning the tools of being an organizer are priceless. Here’s a real take-away message from the meat of it:

this is what Ms. Baker taught us. She said when — an organizer do not design a program and sell it to the people. An organizer talks to the people until they discover what the people already agree to. She said the people have a consensus. They’re just not aware of it. The organizer’s job is to find out what it is and then organize around that consensus.

What strikes me about why this is so wonderful is that it agrees EXACTLY with Paolo Freire’s work (best expressed, for me, in his Pedagogy of Hope (orig. 1992, eng. trans. 1994, Continuum Press 2003).

Doggone, I’m leaving too much out. Here’s the historical context that you need for the quote to make sense. Curtis said,

So we got this massive sit-in movement, just swelled all over the South. And one smart woman named Ella Baker called us together and said, “Hey children, y’all are doing good work, but you need to know that there’s been a movement around before you started this hamburger business.” We’re doing freedom rides, we’re integrating buses. We were just raising much hell. We’re in the evening news and the morning news, and we were totally convinced we were the movement.

And Ms. Baker said, “Do me a favor. What do you think the worst state in the whole union is?” Oh, we were smart: “Mississippi!” She said, “Why don’t you go down there and talk to some of the elders about what they want?” And a few of us decided to do that. And the people that she sent us to talk to gave us a list of towns to go to with a car and some gas money and told us to tell the people our story, who we were, and ask them what would they have us do if we were going to work for freedom for them. And we did it and came back to the people. Amsie Moore was one of the great men who sent us. He said “No, I don’t want to hear it today. Go tomorrow.” They made us do it for five days: knock on doors and ask people these four or five questions after we introduced who we were. And the tally of our conversation with people was, “Oh, it’s nice that y’all would like to integrate those places — it’s good — and that you’ve got the freedom rides and all those marches you had, but we want the right to vote.” Wow!

[Emphasis added.]

This is how you find where the consensus is. It’s also pretty good campaign strategy.

If we truly want to be grass-roots organizers, this is what we have to do. We have to become good listeners. But then it is not enough to just listen. Or to just listen to one or two people. We have to discern and articulate what the consensus of a sizable sample is, so that once they hear it, they say, yeah, that’s what we want. Then you can run with that, and the people will run with you. That takes humility, which seems to be in short supply.

Curtis Mohammed, and Paolo Freire, are wise men. That’s a word we don’t use much. Who would you say is “wise”?

Bob in HI

Scott Horton suggests that if the question is, “how do we de-politicize DOJ,” the answer is plainly not “Chertoff.”

Gee, worth being up so early far. I’ve missed the conversation, but I love the image of Bill Kristol head’s exploding….maybe wipe that smile off his face. Does anyone know how much he has spent on whitening those teeth? He could have just gotten some neon. Sorry, it’s early.

bobschacht @ 256

OK, its late and I don’t know how many people are still up and reading, but I gotta tell you about Curtis Muhammad, who was on Democracy Now! today. Man, he is one wise dude, with a life-time of work as organizer, stretching back to the days of SNCC. The transcript is here, and every progressive who wants to be a grassroots community organizer needs to read what he had to say. His historical reminiscence of learning the tools of being an organizer are priceless. Here’s a real take-away message from the meat of it:

this is what Ms. Baker taught us. She said when — an organizer do not design a program and sell it to the people. An organizer talks to the people until they discover what the people already agree to. She said the people have a consensus. They’re just not aware of it. The organizer’s job is to find out what it is and then organize around that consensus.

What strikes me about why this is so wonderful is that it agrees EXACTLY with Paolo Freire’s work (best expressed, for me, in his Pedagogy of Hope (orig. 1992, eng. trans. 1994, Continuum Press 2003).

Doggone, I’m leaving too much out. Here’s the historical context that you need for the quote to make sense. Curtis said,

So we got this massive sit-in movement, just swelled all over the South. And one smart woman named Ella Baker called us together and said, “Hey children, y’all are doing good work, but you need to know that there’s been a movement around before you started this hamburger business.” We’re doing freedom rides, we’re integrating buses. We were just raising much hell. We’re in the evening news and the morning news, and we were totally convinced we were the movement.

And Ms. Baker said, “Do me a favor. What do you think the worst state in the whole union is?” Oh, we were smart: “Mississippi!” She said, “Why don’t you go down there and talk to some of the elders about what they want?” And a few of us decided to do that. And the people that she sent us to talk to gave us a list of towns to go to with a car and some gas money and told us to tell the people our story, who we were, and ask them what would they have us do if we were going to work for freedom for them. And we did it and came back to the people. Amsie Moore was one of the great men who sent us. He said “No, I don’t want to hear it today. Go tomorrow.” They made us do it for five days: knock on doors and ask people these four or five questions after we introduced who we were. And the tally of our conversation with people was, “Oh, it’s nice that y’all would like to integrate those places — it’s good — and that you’ve got the freedom rides and all those marches you had, but we want the right to vote.” Wow!

[Emphasis added.]

This is how you find where the consensus is. It’s also pretty good campaign strategy.

If we truly want to be grass-roots organizers, this is what we have to do. We have to become good listeners. But then it is not enough to just listen. Or to just listen to one or two people. We have to discern and articulate what the consensus of a sizable sample is, so that once they hear it, they say, yeah, that’s what we want. Then you can run with that, and the people will run with you. That takes humility, which seems to be in short supply.

Curtis Mohammed, and Paolo Freire, are wise men. That’s a word we don’t use much. Who would you say is “wise”?

Bob in HI

Wow, not many people know about Freire. My work in adult literacy led me to read his work.

Geoduck @ 254

one thing on this earth that Big Media loves more than a rich, dead blond, it would have to be the spectacle of a nasty, mushrooming Gay Republican Sex Scandal. Mmmmm-mm.

I’m less hopeful. Gay prostitute Jeff Gannon evidently spent the night in the frigging White House, and the media took one glassy-eyed look and turned away…

I remember thinking at the time the whole male prostitute, posing as journalist, spending nights (weren’t there several nights according to the Secret Service logs?) at thw White House was gonna finally bring the madmen down. I mean, do you think they give WH press credentials to just anyone? Wow, was I ever wrong. There have been about 20 scandals even worse since then, and the Conglomerate Media continues to cover for the killers.

Now, Larry Gannon/Craigert, a senator most people had never heard of, gets busted for bizarre behaviour in a bathroom and it’s frontpage news across the country? Smoke and mirrors, baby. Smoke and mirrors…

Good morning, pups. I’m sorry to have to tell you that MoDo is back in the NYT today, sharpening her little claws on Obama. Thomas Friedman saw contradictory things in Iraq and shares three things that struck him.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and I was by the bakery yesterday so I have croissants. Sorry about MoDo… Have a good day.

Good morning! Do I smell croissants?

Thanks for the goodies, Marion.

You’re most welcome, egregious! I’m willing to stand up and support Sen. Craig’s assertion that he’s not gay. I believe him. You’ll notice, however, that he did NOT say that he wasn’t bisexual or simply polymorphously perverse…

wigwam @ 60

Did anyone catch Olbermann’s Special Comment tonight. It seemed a bit of a stretch to me. And all of his previous Special Comments that I’ve caught were superb.

Thought the same thing — a stretch and not nearly as well-delivered as usual.

Matthews gave a decent lite round-up on the scandals. on Daily kos, a diarist reported.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/5/2154/39783
Republican Family Values
by justabill

BlueState’s thoughts:
For once he seems to have had a grasp on a subject, a light one, but nonetheless all the fingers of his mind were on topic.
Now, how do we encourage such ‘deviant’ behavior? Not snark. Consider that in 24 hours, Matthews has shown brain, Blitzer, spine, Geraldo was elected best person by KO, and KO has bested his personal best in courageous forthright persuasiveness (though some of you disagree; I found the emotion appealing), there may be a tide turning.

Just when the Katrina of Petraeus misinformation is bearing down on us, we could use some change in the MSM. (Sorry about the mixed meteorological metaphor).

Ideas for action, anyone?

probably posted already, but if not, keith o

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..C-Bush.wmv

I see above some of you think he stretched a bit

I’m pretty surprised, I think this is one of his better…goes to show

Good morning all. Marion, thanks for the croissants but after reading MoDo, I think that I’ll pass.

Did somebody say croissants?!

mmMMmmm…

Good morning everyone. Tonight’s the repub debate. I’ll be watching.

Marion in Savannah @ 261

Good morning, pups. I’m sorry to have to tell you that MoDo is back in the NYT today, sharpening her little claws on Obama. Thomas Friedman saw contradictory things in Iraq and shares three things that struck him.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and I was by the bakery yesterday so I have croissants. Sorry about MoDo… Have a good day.

Thanks for the link.

WTF is with that MoDough column?!? What is the purpose of having pundits anyway? Seems quite obvious that they exist only to push pre-approved storylines on the electorate. This was an interesting glimpse into her world of cocktail-weenie haze:

“As one of the Washington pundits Obama has scorned put it, with a grin: “That’s why you have two hands, one to graciously greet your opponents and one to stick the shiv in.””

They no likey when someone calls them on their bullshit. Welcome to the 2nd grade sandbox America! Pathetic.

I guess I’d have a bit of a chip on my shoulder if I knew I was completely uneccessary also.

Raven,

It’s not sex, but it’s trouble for Romney and a chance for some of the listening wisdom discussed last by Raven@259 by ourselves, citizen journalists
(with h/t to original commenter, but the comment is too long to insert)

Mass. Dems mount a Romney Fact site as an aide to bloggers and want their assistance. as an anti-rightwing-radio.

http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..le_on_romn

“Christopher Lehane, who helped direct opposition research for the presidential campaigns of Al Gore, Kerry, and Wesley Clark and who is not affiliated with any campaign this time, said in an e-mail that such opposition research sites could help shape a candidate’s “character storyline,” the overall sense voters have of the candidate, by delivering information to bloggers who then shape it to bolster their arguments.”

It’s actually vice-versa, since in polspeak, he means we have shaped/can shape their arguments, but they can’t admit it.

If we can add listening to our shaping, will that work, Raven?

David Walker the comptroller general from yesterday’s hearing is now on CSPAN Washington Journal taking calls.

Elliott @ 272

David Walker the comptroller general from yesterday’s hearing is now on CSPAN Washington Journal taking calls.

Thanks, I just turned on the TV.

BlueStateRedHead @ 271

Raven,

It’s not sex, but it’s trouble for Romney and a chance for some of the listening wisdom discussed last by Raven@259 by ourselves, citizen journalists
(with h/t to original commenter, but the comment is too long to insert)

Mass. Dems mount a Romney Fact site as an aide to bloggers and want their assistance. as an anti-rightwing-radio.

http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..le_on_romn

“Christopher Lehane, who helped direct opposition research for the presidential campaigns of Al Gore, Kerry, and Wesley Clark and who is not affiliated with any campaign this time, said in an e-mail that such opposition research sites could help shape a candidate’s “character storyline,” the overall sense voters have of the candidate, by delivering information to bloggers who then shape it to bolster their arguments.”

It’s actually vice-versa, since in polspeak, he means we have shaped/can shape their arguments, but they can’t admit it.

If we can add listening to our shaping, will that work, Raven?

I missed something here, are you sure you are talking to me? My comment was at the very end and only had to do with having read Friere.

TRex…

In that voicemail, Larry Craig said

“Arlen Specter is now willing to come out in my defense.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that no matter how many strange men a Republican deep throats in a public toilet, that man can never, ever be gay. Not if he’s married and in good standing with The Party. To call such a man “gay” would be vile and slanderous calumny.

Vile & slanderous to gays!!

Morning everyone. I wonder if the democrats will actually reframe the Iraq debate?

Trex:
While this guy is a sleeze, he’s a sleeze because he’s (as Texas Betsy) says, part of the “Destroy the Constitution” (not her words) movement. I don’t think it’s a matter of the fact that he’s gay. I think that it’s a matter of the fact that he’s looking for sex in a public toilet. I also understand that while I might not give a crap about someone’s sexual orientation, the wingnuts do. So maybe I’m arguing against myself and my philosophy that we should get the wingnuts by any means possible, but still……

Interesting story about the decline of North Sea fisherys to the point of extinction in the Guardian. (Irish fisherys are headed the same way). It will be interesting to see the effects of global heating of the oceans will further have upon the marine ecology. Just in case anyone is interested.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/…..31,00.html

Fight it, Larry! If you just slink away everyone might think you were some sort of poof! You don’t want that, do you? No, be macho and prove you aren’t gay by staying in office. You can do it!

I LOVE it!! Craig is going to try and get off on a technicality!

That is some ‘law and order’ Repug we got here, folks!

Listening to the NPR commentary this morning, and the careful parsing of language that Craig and Co. are using, it occurs to me that the staring through cracks, tap dancing, and hand gestures may be ‘re-positioned’ as ‘lurid’ behavior and not the ‘lewd’ behavior that constitute the disorderly conduct to which he pleaded guilty. The bottom line, pardon the expression, is that they will attempt to parse hypocrisy to the point of the ridiculous. Craig is a ’straight’ family values Republican who likes public restroom room sex with other men but is not ‘gay’, as he demonstrates by vilifying those men comfortable with sex with other men in private. Here’s hoping this display of conspicuous hypocrisy opens the eyes of the undecided and willfully blind to the many forms of ungracious hypocrisy that pervade the self-proclaimed ‘righteous’, ‘exceptional’, ‘advantaged’ and ‘privileged’ Repugs.

BigMitch @ 45

TJ @ 36

there is congressman in Idaho of the Democratic persuasion who won his last election by 2:1 margin. The son of a former governor, he would be a formidable candidate, especially against Senator Craig.

Sounds great. If the Repubs don’t put some other heavy hitter up against Craig, then maybe we do have a shot at electing a Dem out there.