George swooped into Iraq today on his way to Australia to hold a “war council.”
This expensive little PR stunt was designed to highlight the great “success” claimed by George in Anbar governate which is being touted as “quiet” these days. This so-called “success” is also being used to convince junketing Congresscritters that they should back off from holding the administration to deadlines for withdrawal from Iraq. Of course, the congressional visitors – and George today – never leave the safety of American mega-bases. But we can get a more accurate view of Anbar’s “successes” through last week’s report by Ali al-Fadhily of Dahr Jamail’s IPS:
Fallujah is quiet these days. After all the fighting and destruction of 2004, U.S. and Iraqi forces call this success. Many residents are not so sure.
Fallujah, 60km west of Baghdad, produced some of the strongest resistance yet to U.S. forces and their Iraqi collaborators. These forces led two severe assaults on the city, in April and November of 2004. Three-quarters of the city was destroyed, massive numbers of people were killed.
There has been little by way of reconstruction.
The city sees no more of the kind of resistance attacks of old, and no more of the 2004 kind of crackdown. “We are so happy that our city is peaceful and quiet after all the battling that killed thousands of our citizens,” a captain in the local police force of Fallujah, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS. “We can patrol the streets without fear now, and arrest any person that we suspect to be a terrorist.”
There has been a good deal of this, residents say. Hundreds of suspected resistance fighters are now held at the Fallujah police station. Many have been killed on the streets; the police speak of finding “unidentified bodies”.
Several of those found dead had been arrested earlier, eyewitnesses and families of several of the men killed have said.
“This is fascist behaviour that shows the brutality of the Americans and the so-called Iraqi government,” a former member of the Fallujah city council who asked to be referred to as Mahmood told IPS. “Those young guys were executed without any trial. This brutality was not known in our city before this occupation began.”
Journalists inside the city are also quiet after a few of them were arrested and held for several days.
(snip)
Residents speak of other reasons why the city is relatively quiet.
“But of course the city is quiet,” Rahemm Othman, a high school teacher, told IPS. “They are banning car movement, and that would make it as quiet as the dead. We are being subjected to slow death here, and the world is so happy about it.” The local police and the U.S. military banned car movement in May.
(snip)
“To say Fallujah is quiet is true, and you can see it in the city streets,” said Shiek Salim from the Fallujah Scholars’ Council. “The city is practically dead, and the dead are quiet.”
One after another, residents spoke of Fallujah finding the quiet of the dead.
(snip)
But resistance has not died altogether. Five U.S. soldiers were killed when their helicopter was shot down Aug. 14 near al-Taqaddum airbase on the outskirts of Fallujah.
At least 20 U.S. soldiers were killed in al-Anbar province to the west of Baghdad in July, several of them in Fallujah area. According to the U.S. Department of Defence, 1,257 U.S. soldiers have died in al-Anbar province, more than in any other Iraqi province.
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ZED!
tpres2000 @ 1
Sorry – didn’t mean to shout…
whisper
Siun!
Why yes, Anbar has been such a success that Bush had to sneak out of the White House, pretend he was flying straight to Australia, not tell the Iraqi Prime Minister he was coming until the plane was getting ready to land . . .
It’s all good.
Except, of course, for those pesky soldiers asking questions about “when are we going to get enough up-armored humvees?” and concussive brain trauma.
Starting tomorrow I am on total “Let’s stop this madness patrol… Anyone with me?
Siun!
afternoon all …I thought we should note George’s
brave trip to reality … 6 hours on a remote landing strip is certainly an impressive feat.
siun!
Siun @ 8
Little Boots is not in the same dimension as reality.
What astounds me is the fact the surge was(is) not targeting al-anbar province! How can progress be attributed to the surge, when it wasn’t a target???
How Wolf Blitzer and the CNN crew look at themselves in the mirror will never cease to amaze me. I don’t watch FOX but I cannot imagine much difference between the two today.
Dang! I could use a nice quiet vacation like that. I wonder if he cut any brush while he was there?
It’s not surprising that the head of the Bush crime family heads out to Iraq for a little peace. There’s more folks back home that want his head than there are in Iraq.
AZ Matt … doesn’t look like there’s much brush near the plane … but maybe that photo was taken after he got his weedwhacker out?
Iraq is the mistake that will follow our country past Labor Day, 2107. Thanks, asshole.
I guess that perhaps now the republicans can go back to doing what they’re best at; trashing gays and recruiting in Men’s Rooms worldwide.
Mr. Bush was certainly dressed appropriately for that opp I saw this AM of the big guy in Iraq. All black. Nice touch… George.
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..A36665.htm
During Chimpenfuhrers speech today he mentioned something about going home soon and a soldier yelled something like ..we want to go home now and other voices started to chime in.. all voices cut out at the same time. It made me realize how many soldiers in that room had a very different view than their Commander Codpiece.
Siun @ 15
Just goes to show that he’s got the brush problem in Iraq under control.
AZ Matt @ 19
lol on that one.
Eureka Springs @ 18
Heh, Their superiors are gonna have a field day with’em later…!!! ;-)
If it were not for the fact that Bush has is finger on the nuclear trigger, he would be completely irrelevant. Great legacy, Mr. Prez.
September 15, 1971
Boeing 707 takes a steep dive to land at Bien Hoa airbase.
Hot. Unbelievable hot and humid.
From the plane to the tarmac, drenched in sweat.
Several hours. Get bags.
Get on a bus. Chain link over the windows. MPs with M-16s.
Short ride through the Nam to the 90th repo-depo at Long Binh.
In-processing.
A bed.
Shower, past a line of toilets. God, what a smell.
24-hour time difference.
Hot, hot, humid night. Sweating in a bunk. Fan is at the other end of the barracks.
Day 1.
Actually, this might have been simulated on the same set that the Apollo 11 landing was made on.[/tinfoil hat off]
It would be yet another edition of “The Preznit’s Potemkin Theatre” brought to you by Rove’n’Rummmy Productions, directed by Abu G and funded in part by a grant from the poor folks in this country and the bankers of China.
Is it worth listening to the speech to hear the soldiers yelling out?
“War Council”? What is this? He’s reprising the Cherokee Wars? War Chief Bush. Geessh. What’s Howard calling it?
Wait till he gets to Australia. They are really on edge.
Elliott @ 25
Not really. Most of the shouts and cheers came from mouths off camera.
Eureka Springs @ 18
You mean they didn’t weed out the objectors before they brought in Der Fruher?
Say I’m visiting family in DC next week. Anybody know where I can find out about the festivities on the 15th? I’d like to join in.
Jim Clausen @ 6
What’s your plan?
CTuttle @ 11
Correct. I finally listened to a replay of Commander Guy’s speech. Looks like he’s trying to pull another fast one and BS the American public. D teamers in Congress ought to eat this argument up. We’ll see.
Ghostman
Yep Blub … all the news reports referred to him holding his ‘war council’ in Anbar …
oh, and he got to shake hands with tribal sheikhs … don’t they have any clue that the sheikhs have figured out that a little cooperation now means money and weapons and a free shot at Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia … once they’ve cleared that up, I suspect the friendship will chill considerably
AP – President Bush, briefed by U.S. military commanders and Iraqi leaders, said Monday some American forces could be sent home if security across Iraq improves as it has in Anbar province, a former hotbed of Sunni insurgency.
What a bunch of bunk.
I can’t bring myself to look at bush. This fucking war needs to stop now!
Loo Hoo. @ 30
My phone calls will include this short list tomorrow.
Out of Iraq now, including the paid militia
Don’t bomb Iran
Get Comey into the AG position
Fix FISA
Jonathan at 23, is that from your diary?
This from Haaretz:
Bush makes surprise visit to Iraq, rules out hasty decision on troop levels
U.S. President George W. Bush said Monday any reduction in U.S. troop numbers in Iraq would be based on calm military assessments and not the nervous reaction of politicians in Washington.
Siun – another gem, thanks
Just received by e-mail even the 1%ers are unhappy with the occupier in the WH
This does go to show that insurrections can be defeated. Now if we just do to the rest of Iraqi cities what we did to Falluja, we will have won.
Best estimates is that we will have to kill about 3 million people. I wonder if a Dem president will have the fortitude to carry this war to its logical conclusion.
Loo Hoo. @ 36
Thanks for asking.
It’s from my head.
I play it most days.
Jonathan @ 40
And nights, eh? 8-(
Arnie @ 38
I thought Trump’s supposed to be a dem, or at least an indie
Jonathan @ 23
When I left we were winning. 3/9/69 (this is snark)
dakine01 @ 10
I actually go to this store where you can buy all the wingnut lit plus whatever else gets overstocked for a dollar. This is a certian part of CT .So that Ed Klein book on Hillary gets thrown face down. Tim Russert develops a magic marker disease.I managed to pick up Kevin Phillips book on the bush dynatsy (They have some Al Franken and other peripheral and non-wingnut books thrown in the bin as well, and a few sundry NYT best seller stuff.) It’s an interesting read.
CT at 41
Lots of nights too.
In fact, in dreams I speak Cambodian and Vietnamese (learned both).
And fight fights.
Great. So he’s used his reverse-Midas touch on all the key Iraq players. The only silver lining here is that he’s about to use it on Howard, so he should be gone by January.
Here’s what I think is “news” today in relation to Bush’s visit to Iraq. A soldier told Bush right to his face (in a respectful way) that the soldiers and their families are struggling with short home leaves before returning to the front. The biggest news about that, is that it is being played on the MSM.
Even McClatchy ran a very misleading story on combat death toll last night.
Even after all I have witnessed over the past six years the full force of the press saying things are improving is amazing to me.
raven,
When I left, the NVA had been crushed in their Easter Offensive (beginning April 1972).
But I knew when I left, the South Vietnamese (both government and people) were going to be sacrificed to U.S. political forces.
Bush makes surprise visit to Iraq MSNBC
Bush, in Iraq, Sees Possible Reduction in Troop Levels NYT
Bush, Rice, Gates Make Surprise Visit to Iraq ABC
President, Top Advisers Make Surprise Iraq Visit WaPo
Is it like a surprise birthday party?
Bush: ‘Fewer American forces’ possible in Iraq CNN
While our leader is in Iraq I have to wonder if he will be meeting with anyone from the Israeli government on the ‘Iran Question’.
LS @ 47
He was a Marine Cobra pilot, maybe a Warrant officer. Those dudes always marched to a beat of a different drummner!
EPU’d from downstairs:
msmolly @ 93
Jonathan @ 49
Amazing how formations of troops marching down a road don’t stand a chance against Arc Lights.
Here’s an American journalist in Baghdad’s reaction to George’s behavior today and a colleague’s story about a family’s recent experience with American beneficence.
With friends like us….
LS @ 27
Hi LS. Been out of town?
raven
Arc lights
I felt them
from 15 miles away
msmolly @ 53
Can somebody please enlighten MsMolly, because I just ignore the teh…
Here’s a pix of our beaming boy in Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..mi_ea/bush
“We’ve begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Anbar province, it’s working,” Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) said in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars on Monday.
teh probably started out as a typo and got snarkified.
Rove’s got teh math, for instance.
msmolly @ 53
Is it a parody on how some people think Bush pronounces the word “the”? I’ve never been entirely certain on this one either.
Ghostman
Loo Hoo. @ 50
why is it when I read all these headlines, I hear Gomer Pyle saying, “surprise! surprise! surprise!”?
Jonathan @ 57
Pick this one up The Eleven Days of Christmas: America’s Last Vietnam Battle A great recounting of heroism by “the troops” and total stupidity by the leaders.
It gives a brief background of SAC, and how LeMay’s thinking carried over into the Vietnam War. He was, like anyone, flawed at times, and he left SAC in something of a tight spot. It only did things one way. Flexibility was lacking when it would have been very helpful. The bombers over North Vietnam did things in a set pattern, and that went back to SAC, and the days of LeMay. Someone should have been able to look ahead, and change the path of the bombers as they left their bomb runs.
It also gives the reader a good look at the bureaucratic bungling, micro-management, and political thinking which increased the losses of the B-52 crews. That is hardly new in war. It still hurts and frustrates to have to see the results. Lives could have been saved with a realistic response from those who should have known better. Careers can end up being more important than lives. Too bad it has to happen in the military, where some wonderful people risk so much for their country.
CTuttle @ 11
You have to go with what you got! :-)
Actually, even so, this is a bait and switch operation. Do you remember what the criteria for success held up at the beginning of the surge were? Weren’t they about achieving political objectives?
Bob in HI
Okay…I’ve been wracking my brains about why W was suddenly appearing wearing a black shirt…then (slaps forehead)…I got it…he wants us to think he is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EPL…..mp;search=
Laura Doty @ 55
I have an old school friend named Leyla whose parents were from Iraq. I love that name.
Ghostman @ 62
It’s part ‘net typo of the common sort. Also snark from TRex and a few other factors. I’m more familiar with it as one of the most common typos of all online.
msmolly @ 53
wiki
msmolly @ 53
From what I remember, it was in fact a typo by TRex in a Late Nite post, as in his typing “teh gay”. The typo itself somehow got to be hilarious and TRex made sure to continue typing it as “teh gay” ever since.
“teh” has since expanded beyond “gay” and adds a touch of whimsy to its usage everywhere it goes.
JPL @ 58
I ignore it too. I always wondered though. It’s a blog thing.
Teh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teh
Jonathan @ 57
HMM, I posted this once?
Here’s a good one for you reading list The Eleven Days of Christmas: America’s Last Vietnam Battle
Eureka Springs @ 48
I received three emails from McClatchy editors about that article, as I wrote in complaint to the Washington bureau, as well as leaving comments online. I think they really believed that they were conveying that the reasons for the numbers going down (from May to August) are unclear–and that it might even be because some fighters are just waiting out the surge. The problem is that they didn’t really analyze the data, statistically or otherwise. They (the editors) also don’t seem to grasp that the message they thought they were conveying really wasn’t expressed very well. I think the article they had in their minds was better than the one that ended up online (and, sadly, on front pages of newspapers, like the one in my town).
rootless2 @ 60
Ringin’ that triangle as much as she can.
Hey syvanen, Comment #39, if your tongue wasn’t firmly in cheek when you wrote that, then I respectfully submit that you have a mental defect.
Jonathan @ 57
I am banned?
Linebacker
Bush’s drop in was successful in pushing all other stories back. He was the lead story on PBS news hour, and there were none of the traditional labor day speeches.
However, PBS closed with an interview with Barney Franks, Chair of House Committee on Banking (now “Financial Services.”) — and he got in his licks. He’s for single payer health reform, making trade agreements conditional on sharing the benefits more equitably, taxing managers of hedge funds as income and not capital gains, etc, — Barney represents the “Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,” as Dean would say.
raven
You’re never banned, bro.
Just thinking about earthquake-like feelings.
OldCoastie @ 63
And in all the pictures, Condi is in a pant suit with purse, Gates is in a business suit, Bush in dress slacks and shirt, w/out tie, but black. These guys can’t fly into a protected combat zone without looking like they’re going out for dinner.
Out of curiosity did any of the other lakers this morning think, oh my god if he doesn’t come back Cheney could be pres.????
I hope we get a clear answer from the Dem. leadership this week as to why it is necessary to allocate more funding for the war. Simply providing for the troops welfare is just not enough anymore. What is lacking in all of this is compassion….true and genuine compassion for the human pain, suffering and dignity. I truly hope the Dem. leadership can reach within themselves and find the humanity that dwells within and do the right thing to bring this war to a resolution.
Jonathan @ 77
I tried to post some text from that boo 3 times and it never took. gives a brief background of SAC, and how LeMay’s thinking carried over into the Vietnam War. He was, like anyone, flawed at times, and he left SAC in something of a tight spot. It only did things one way. Flexibility was lacking when it would have been very helpful. The bombers over North Vietnam did things in a set pattern, and that went back to SAC, and the days of LeMay. Someone should have been able to look ahead, and change the path of the bombers as they left their bomb runs.
It also gives the reader a good look at the bureaucratic bungling, micro-management, and political thinking which increased the losses of the B-52 crews. That is hardly new in war. It still hurts and frustrates to have to see the results. Lives could have been saved with a realistic response from those who should have known better. Careers can end up being more important than lives. Too bad it has to happen in the military, where some wonderful people risk so much for their country.
Laura Doty @ 73
Nice. I noticed the comments were very helpful.
Thanks for the links above.. I will pass those along.
Loo Hoo. @ 61
That is my understanding. It is all over the web too. It’s a means of exaggeration – as if you were typing so fast and excited you mispelled it.
Jonathan @ 77
I keep trying to post part of a review and it keeps not show up?
It also gives the reader a good look at the bureaucratic bungling, micro-management, and political thinking which increased the losses of the B-52 crews. That is hardly new in war. It still hurts and frustrates to have to see the results. Lives could have been saved with a realistic response from those who should have known better. Careers can end up being more important than lives. Too bad it has to happen in the military, where some wonderful people risk so much for their country
JPL @ 80
On matters of war, Cheney is the President, no matter where Bush is.
Mad Dogs @ 69
Actually, I think it has a genesis far earlier than TRex’s stylings. The wing nuts have been mocked for it for years due to their rabid need to get out in front of whatever dastardly left leaning fear they have for the day. They get in such a hurry to post, they can’t even spend the time to run spell check.
rootless2 @ 72
Thanks, everyone! I had assumed it was ironic or snarky, and I’ve seen TRex’s teh gay, and elsewhere I’ve seen Teh Timmeh, but I was curious about the real significance — saw it again somewhere early in the last thread. The wiki entry explains it, along with !!11!!, which I’ve also wondered about.
Mad Dogs @ 74
She can’t be serious. Or is she? Mary Matalin said on a horrid MtP yesterday (she was holding hubbies hand practically) said that OBama and Hillary believe the surge is working. At first I thought this might be a Matalin/Carville delusion, but given Hillary’s hawkish Republikan tendencies, I start to doubt. We need to call her and Obama on this. It’s crazy to vote for a Dem who’s just going to pull you into Cambodia so to speak. Fool us once . . .
Scarecrow @ 84
Well duh, but he could do even more damage without him IMO.
JPL @ 80
I think of that every night Junya goes to sleep.
And the Australians are none too happy with Chimpy’s visit. When Cheney visited a few months back security shut down bridges so Dick could have a beer with the PM. This time EVERYTHING is shut down including Sydney opera house and all other tourist spots as well as major roadways and waterways.
I’m sure the residents will feel it was worth it to bask in his Chimpiness…
Raven, Did you feel the earthquake that we had in GA a few years back? It was only a 4.6 or 4.7 by the time it hit Roswell but my blinds shook and my husband thought the furnace was ready to blow.
JPL @ 95
I guess I didn’t!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
I think it’s funny that they couldn’t even get a unit of ALL soldiers to stand behind him for the photo op. There’s that national guard guy with the white t’shirt right behind George.
Eureka Springs @ 12
You got that right! I watched Wolf hoping to hear about the major union endorsements for Edwards that came down today. No Info (except the scroll at the bottom of the screen). We then watched Lou Dobbs. That show talked about unions and even mentioned that Hiliary had been endorsed last week and Dodd had been endorsed and then they went to commercial. You guessed it NO INFO about Edwards. He gets two major endorsements today United Steelworkers and United MineWorkers and no info. I’m so sick of Edwards being treated like the invisible man. I called CNN in Atlanta but had to leave a message. I’m calling them tomorrow and I’m also making copies of the transcripts of both shows to send to them asking them to explain why, on Labor day of all days, they can’t manage to cover major news about labor endorsements. It’s beyond pathetic. I swear I’m going to put them on speed dial and nail them everytime they omit info that they should be covering.
Alecia @ 81
Cynic or not, I expect clutching of pearls while the Dems lament their lack of a VPM (Veto Proof Majority) and then proceed to use this figleaf to rollover, and over, and over…
raven,
What lesson about war do you have to tell here?
CNN just can’t get over how tricky the Prez was sneaking off to Anbar — and how safe it was to land there — and then describes that the air base in the remote desert is secured for 10 miles around by 10,000 US Marines. Yep, the surge has made an airstrip safe in the middle of the desert.
Now Michael Ware says, “gee whiz, where did he go,” saying the “success” was allying with the “insurgency” and sunni militias who are opposed to al Maliki.
Jonathan @ 100
The future’s uncertain and the end is always near.
the Doors, “Roadhouse Blues”
You’ve seen Army of Dude, right?
Thanks, George.
CNN’s Ware says the US is doing exactly what the shia fear, “building anti-government forces” by arming former “insurgents” to be the local police.
Despite a few like Ware, this very risky basic trade off still hasn’t sunk into the primary coverage.
Scarecrow @ 77
I’m sure that the adminstration was absolutely delighted to push out “Labor” news on Labor Day! Freaking media get played everytime.
My lesson about war:
If you start it, you lose it.
And these past few weeks have been like standing alongside someone playing find-the-lady with a street hustler, and every time you say ‘he’s conning you’, the mark grins and puts down another $10.
Patty Morlan @ 97
I am personally hoping for the “media darkhorse” to overtake hawk Hillary and nuke-loving Obama.
raven @ 99
Thanks Raven, I’m listening to Louis Armstrong sing “It’s a wonderful world”.
raven @ 102
I had dinner with the son of LBJ’s Secretary of State the other night. He was a Marine Corps officer who never went to the Nam. It’s amazing how the war continues to inpact his life.
OMG, the NewsHour has finally jumped the shark. To assess Bush’s “blink and you missed it” trip to Iraq, they have *gasp* Michael Gordon. PBS has officially signed on to the Administration’s efforts to sell the “surge”. A big shout out to propagandists everywhere. There may be no progress in Iraq but in propaganda on it at least great strides are being made.
Scarecrow @ 101
That’s because it’s considered brilliant, real-politik stratergy. They don’t believe in blowback.
Jonathan @ 106
Well, you know that one of the most common phrases we had was “it don’t mean nuthin”.
“Drive On”
I got a friend named Whiskey Sam
He was my boonierat buddy for a year in Nam
He said is my country just a little off track
Took ‘em twenty-five years to welcome me back
But, it’s better than not coming back at all
Many a good man
I saw fall And even now,
every time I dream I hear the men
and the monkeys in the jungle scream
Drive on, don’t mean nothin’
My children love me , but they don’t understand
And I got a woman who knows her man
Drive on, don’t mean nothin’, drive on
I remember one night,
Tex and me Rappelled in on a hot L.Z.
We had our 16’s on rock and roll
But, with all that fire,
was scared and cold
We were crazy, we were wild
And I have seen the tiger smile
I spit in a bamboo viper’s face
And I’d be dead , but by God’s grace
Drive on, don’t mean nothin’
My children love me, but they don’t understand
And I got a woman who knows her man
Drive on, don’t mean nothin’, drive on
It was a real slow walk in a real sad rain
And nobody tried to be John Wayne
I came home, but Tex did not
And I can’t talk about the hit he got
I got a little limp now when
I walk Got a little tremolo when
I talk But my letter read from Whiskey Sam
You’re a walkin’ talkin’ miracle from Vietnam
Drive on, don’t mean nothin’
My children love me, but they don’t understand
And I got a woman who knows her man
Drive on, don’t mean nothin’, drive on
raven @ 109
as this war will foul the lives of so many of the soldiers, and the citizens of Iraq.
Hugh @ 110
Well there’s always “surge” (profits) for the contractors.
Hugh @ 108
They actually joined the choir years ago but are now becoming more obvious in their intentions. I tuned out awhile back. Just not worth the stress.
We’ve got a fun little breaking news up top …
c’mon up and read!
New thread upstairs.
mui @ 105
Me Too!
I hope everyone who supports Edwards will start contacting the media to complain everytime they marginalize him. I vented yesterday about Russert showing on his lead in to his show Clinton, Edwards & Obama even though Edwards should have been listed first because he was leading the Times poll they were quoting. Later in the show during the discussion about Iowa the comments were predominatly about Hilliary. Yep, to listen to the guests talk you would have thought that Hiliary was leading the poll. We were outraged at what happened yesterday and we were doubly outraged today. The biased coverage is so blatant that it can not be just an accident. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Siun shines on upstairs
Scarecrow @ 100
Haven’t been watching CNN. Did they then point out that it is not safe to bring Air Force One into Baghdad? That it is not even safe to bring the President in by military jet, as I believe was once done.
I’d love to know – would pay money to know – if Bush was going to go into Baghdad until that congressional delegation nearly got blown out of the sky. I’d bet he was scheduled to go there, but the Secret service put its foot down. Wonder if any reporter will find out if there was a change in plans? For sure CNN won’t.
I hope this week is more embarassing for the Gop than last week. I’d like some DC Madam or Larry Flynt confession. I learned on Slate that if you are having sex in a bathroom stall, have your buddy stand inside of a shopping bag so only one pair of legs show. I want to thank the GOP for all the things I am learning!
Patty Morlan @ 118
Just why do you think they’d like to pretend Edwards doesn’t exist? Hmmm.
mui @ 90
I think that she is stupidly providing ammunition for the predictable Republican secret-plan-to-end-the-war candidate who will use this and AUMF to spotlight her lack of clarity and spine. If she thinks “Bush fooled me” is going to be a good slogan, especially when she tries to use it for repeated failures of sense, she is sadly mistaken.
Eureka Springs @ 35
Don’t forget to tell’em to read the book LHP reviewed earlier today BEFORE fixing FISA.
Bob in HI
Hugh @ 108
i just listened to an interview of geneva overholser on media matters with bob mcchesney and she told about when she worked on the editorial board of the nyt and they would write editorials about reagan’s “star wars” and how all the scientists said it was bunk… and yet there would these be horrible articles, written by michael gordon, about “star wars” that just reported “anonymous” administration sources about how great “star wars” would be. (36 min. in, if you’re interested)
omg. just shoot me.
selise @ 125
Star wars is bunk. A friend of a friend of an uncles cousin said I should write that.
Eureka Springs @ 48
If you would like a graph of US deaths in Iraq for the last 3 years, you can try mine here:
http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hu…..Iraq_1.htm
selise @ 125
I’ll look it up. It’s sort of the hometown radio station here.
mui @ 126
but 20 years of michael gordon’s nonsense? i didn’t know it had been going on for so long… how the fuck has that happened?
Hugh @ 128
then i better make a correction – start at 32 minutes in.
selise @ 129
Don’t know selise, wish I was qualified to comment. Boston family table talk.
Let’s get serious already or get out.
If this war is worth it, we should do it right. Not lean on an unlucky minority who happen to be in the military now. This is not what soldiers sign up for. In addition to the nearly 4000 US soldiers dead and counting (let’s stop hiding the coffins already), lack of proper medical facilities and treatment for the wounded, unaddressed combat stress, suicide problems, and lack of proper gear and equipment, the downtime off also is being squeezed to a bare minimum to enable the government to send our soldiers off for redeployment before they’ve had adequate rest. Our military is so desperate that people in their 40s and 50s have been called up for Guard Duty, multiple times no less. The situation is so bad that military recruiters have to resort to mercenary bonuses and still miss the numbers – some people are fighting for money, not for our country. The whole situation is so messed up. So rarely has so much been asked of so few.
So if we are serious about this war, we should do now what we should have done from the getgo. Fight it with enough troops. The original plan was for half a million. Going from 130,000 to a 180,000 surge just isn’t going to turn this thing. And it will needlessly break our soldiers’ backs in the process.
Get enough troops in there with a clear plan they can execute. Or get out. Stop pussyfooting around with our military. I don’t care whether it’s foreign countries who we should have got to go along with us in the first place (though it seems unlikely they will step into this situation now that our Fox Republican government has cheerled us into the current mess), or whether it’s a draft. Let’s do this thing the straight and honest way if it’s really worth doing. Maybe we need a permanent base there as the President really wants, even though he denied this for the longest time. Whatever the reason. Let the President lay it out.
Or let’s get out. Every day we stay more people die and we just delay the inevitable chaos when we leave anyway. Get the other countries in the Middle East to the table. Give them the timetable for our withdrawal. And let them start to work it out.
selise @ 129
Apparently the lesson here is that a shill isn’t created in a day but is the product of long years of stenography.
I am serious and I want us out. Not serious or, serious AND.
If we did this the “straight and honest way,” we’d never have invaded at all.
Hugh @ 127
Thanks Hugh. I almost posted a link to the graph in the McClatchy article comments section last night. For some reason I just let it go.
Well this surprise visit sure took the wind out of the British pulling out of Basra and the 2 top British Generals dissing American policy in Iraq.
Funny how these just seem to happen at such times.
mui @ 90
MediaMatters has been all over that. I believe Hillary said “it’s working in some areas”, and true to form, the Rethugs claim she’s doing the Happy M-16 Halleluja dance. I’m no fan of Hillary, but this is just normal Rethug tactics.
Eureka Springs @ 135
I thought of that too, ES. I found it so disappointing. There’s a much better one up just now at their website re: the Anbar visit–not to mention Leila’s blog: by William Douglas.
The American dimwits and halfwits will eat it up. Fearless leader on the front lines. The traditional media will play along with the joke.
Rick Blaine @ 136
Yes. Someone has quite the dramatic flair.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
celebration of Labor Day…..
There are weapons of mass destruction
Mission Accomplished
Good Job Brownie
The Surge is working
HRC is begining to sound like Lieberman and that frightens me. I saw somewhere she gave a speech about compromising with the other side to get things done….I wonder what all this will mean for progressives in the future as it seems to be coming so early in the primaries.
Fallujah…that was the city where American military began their long slide into losing the war and their dignity.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
Sounds like he’s talked to some of those Congressmen who were recently in Iraq and he’s gone there to take a look-see himself.
raven @ 112
Some people aren’t capable or ready to hear and understand. I never went to war and can’t comprehend how soldiers keep their minds, keep their sh*t wound tight.
I remember about 1970 there was some kind of event downtown and when I was there I saw a soldier, an airman who had flown in Nam. He had a silent quiet non-emotional look, almost of a comatose person and yet you could see he was as hard-edged as a deadly knife. He had been to war and though he lived it left an indelible mark on him.
Perhaps you realize “it don’t mean nuthin’”, but it’s still somethin’.
When all a man has is a choice of how to fall down and die, then falling down is all important.
I might write more words, but it would be redundant or flowery silliness. Life IS important. Live it well.
#76
neither tounge in cheek or mentally off balance. I was opposed to the Iraq war from the very beginning. I am responding to those critics of the war that we are not doing it correctly. If we really want to win then we must be willing to kill ten percent of the current population. that is about 3 million people. I hope that the American people will not accept this. Unfortunately that is what we accepted during the suppression of the Phillipines who resisted our occupation a century ago. Will we do this today?
Hi Folks!
Now let me see if I get this straight. President Bush sneaks into Iraq, onto a distant airbase surounded by 10,000 troops just for a few hours, and the media gushes like this is a good thing!?
The already well in place American military bases in Iraq surely remain on main menu and near top of that menu for the Americans.
Clearly the Sunni/Shia divide is being gamed now that the Baghdad Green Zone Staged(stooge?) Iraqi government has timed out.
The Americans surely will kill many more Iraqis to secure those American military bases.
Setting up the Sunnis for zone control of West Iraq surely plays into this strategy.
Iraq seems to be destined to be blown apart by the Americans effort to site ME military bases no matter the cost to Iraq.
Iraqi refugees? Iraqi dead? The Americans do not care and will cause/inflict much more to achieve Americans ME militarism/hegemonism aims.
Iraqi oil control remains the wild card and here the Americans will still have to work the game much better and harder then they have thus far. The “Iraq Oil Law” is going no where these days and may well have failed at ever being passed.
Any Green Zone “coup” activity/puppet play may well be result of IOL having not passed due to Iraqi resentment/unwillingness to this western energy interests imposed pillage/plunder grab-all.
Those who still believe the Americans did not invade/occupy Iraq largely for desired control of Iraqs oil are displaying very slow/no learning curves.
The American military bases seem to have landed in Iraq early and deeply. WashDC’s two party/one party setup clearly having agreed to not disagree about them in any way from early on funding and build plans.
One may well wonder what happens if the Iraqis state/demand Americans leave these bases at some point.
Sovereign Iraq is fully entitled to do this.
The Americans have displayed great confidence with these bases size and cost that Iraq will or would not do so. This is oddly curious.
The DC DEMS,Hillary,Barack and John evidently all see no issue in this and have remained ever silent about the bases having appeared in Iraq so easily at several $$$ billion during the four years since March 2003.
The DEMS flunk the warmonger/occupier test here.
It is fair to suggest the Americans are so in thrall of the Israeli Arab Palestine occupation model they just had to have their own in Iraq.
The stench grows and grows.
So, the U.S. is even more brutal than Hussein..and at least he had law and order.His fatal mistake..changing currency from dollar to euro..then he made 17% more on his oil. Iran just changed their currency exchange to yen. Hence the need to drop a few mega tons of nukes on them. How many of the dem. candidates see Iran as a threat to US/dollar.
it always seemed to me, given w’s baptist theology that whenever he spoke of bring ‘peace’ to parts of the world before the invasion, and now he still talks of ‘peace’ ‘bringing peace’, he was really referring to the peace that lies beyond.
Yep…Denver would be quiet if there were a ban on vehicles…
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