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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-940390</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939047&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;bmaz @ 131&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-938987&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jayt @ 71&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Billy Martin is an extremely good lawyer. Now why Craig hired someone from out of state to try to reopen a city court misdemeanor case, I don’t know; but Martin is VERY good lawyer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks - couldn’t remember the guy’s name - knew there was a connection with another famous name, was all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s going to have to be good to get that plea set aside. How is a U.S. Senator going to stand in front of a judge, and try to convince him/her that he didn’t understand the law well enough to know what he was doing, and/or didn’t perjure himself when he stipulated to a factual basis?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, well, I got no answer for that one.  I see no chance in hell.  Furthermore, I will bet dollars to donuts that a thorough investigation will find a lawyer somewhere that Craig consulted with in the two months in between his arrest and change of plea; in spite of the fact that he had no counsel of record at the COP.  I guess there is not much harm in him trying, just so he can say he tried (there need not be much judicial resources wasted on a city magistrate saying “Are you nuts, your plea was voluntary, get out of here”).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And even worse, it’s clear that Craig at least CONSIDERED calling his lawyers. After the incident he called the Police Department and demanded that he receive the charges and the name and phone number of the Prosecuting Attorney “for my law firm”. He said this to both the initial officer handling the call and the arresting office, David Karsnia. After Karsnia provided him with the Police Attorney’s name handling these cases Craig said “That’s just what I need”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if Craig didn’t call the DA personally then it was likely handled by a lawyer, or a law firm likely received the documents. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition, in 1982 Craig, then a Congressman, had the FBI interview him at the offices of his legal representative about accusations of having sex with male pages. So apparently he knows all about this sort of stuff. It’s not inappropriate sex acts.the first time he’s been accuse of&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-938987"><em>jayt @ 71</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Billy Martin is an extremely good lawyer. Now why Craig hired someone from out of state to try to reopen a city court misdemeanor case, I don’t know; but Martin is VERY good lawyer.</p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; couldn’t remember the guy’s name &#8211; knew there was a connection with another famous name, was all.</p>
<p>He’s going to have to be good to get that plea set aside. How is a U.S. Senator going to stand in front of a judge, and try to convince him/her that he didn’t understand the law well enough to know what he was doing, and/or didn’t perjure himself when he stipulated to a factual basis?</p>
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<p>Yeah, well, I got no answer for that one.  I see no chance in hell.  Furthermore, I will bet dollars to donuts that a thorough investigation will find a lawyer somewhere that Craig consulted with in the two months in between his arrest and change of plea; in spite of the fact that he had no counsel of record at the COP.  I guess there is not much harm in him trying, just so he can say he tried (there need not be much judicial resources wasted on a city magistrate saying “Are you nuts, your plea was voluntary, get out of here”).</p>
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<p>And even worse, it’s clear that Craig at least CONSIDERED calling his lawyers. After the incident he called the Police Department and demanded that he receive the charges and the name and phone number of the Prosecuting Attorney “for my law firm”. He said this to both the initial officer handling the call and the arresting office, David Karsnia. After Karsnia provided him with the Police Attorney’s name handling these cases Craig said “That’s just what I need”.</p>
<p>So if Craig didn’t call the DA personally then it was likely handled by a lawyer, or a law firm likely received the documents. </p>
<p>In addition, in 1982 Craig, then a Congressman, had the FBI interview him at the offices of his legal representative about accusations of having sex with male pages. So apparently he knows all about this sort of stuff. It’s not inappropriate sex acts.the first time he’s been accuse of</p>
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		<title>By: NoriegaBlog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939606</link>
		<dc:creator>NoriegaBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;–PS– If I don’t know you.. feel free to facebook me anyways! ::waves politely::&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>–PS– If I don’t know you.. feel free to facebook me anyways! ::waves politely::</p>
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		<title>By: NoriegaBlog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939596</link>
		<dc:creator>NoriegaBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939223&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dmac @ 212&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;cassie at 128 says-When I was 2 or 3 I had really long hair and my brother liked to clean stuff.  So he used my head as a broom or a mop and used my legs as the handle.  He cleaned the whole house with me and then my mom gave me a bath.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cassie-i had this fear of doors when people in front of me would open them, and i would always picture them smacking me in the face…….one night, my mom and one of her friends were in front of me, each opened a door, and i froze, and said i always have had this ‘thing’ about doors when someone else has a hand on them…….my  mom explained that my older brother-who is now dead, he died in the army- when i was a toddler, used to call me into the other room, and we had french doors inside, and when i got there, he would slam the door on me…..was a game for him, and she used to catch him at it all of the time…..never knew where the door thing came from, but i would always flinch when the doors came flying at me, always made sure i had my hand on them ……and in my late 30’s finally got the answer……at least you know, is a good thing……..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Less family oriented, but I was in a car wreck in a really curvy part of an interstate in Mass, spun out, and still have back problems (at 24!).. I can’t go around a curve in a highway in the rain over about 40 mph..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-939223"><em>dmac @ 212</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>cassie at 128 says-When I was 2 or 3 I had really long hair and my brother liked to clean stuff.  So he used my head as a broom or a mop and used my legs as the handle.  He cleaned the whole house with me and then my mom gave me a bath.”</p>
<p>cassie-i had this fear of doors when people in front of me would open them, and i would always picture them smacking me in the face…….one night, my mom and one of her friends were in front of me, each opened a door, and i froze, and said i always have had this ‘thing’ about doors when someone else has a hand on them…….my  mom explained that my older brother-who is now dead, he died in the army- when i was a toddler, used to call me into the other room, and we had french doors inside, and when i got there, he would slam the door on me…..was a game for him, and she used to catch him at it all of the time…..never knew where the door thing came from, but i would always flinch when the doors came flying at me, always made sure i had my hand on them ……and in my late 30’s finally got the answer……at least you know, is a good thing……..</p>
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<p>Less family oriented, but I was in a car wreck in a really curvy part of an interstate in Mass, spun out, and still have back problems (at 24!).. I can’t go around a curve in a highway in the rain over about 40 mph..</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939239</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-938993&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT..More on the Iranian war; from the UK..No wonder the Brits are leaving Iraq next week.	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will President Bush bomb Iran?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/02/wiran102.xml&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That article was published last February. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I wonder if the Brits made Bush wait to bomb Iran until they had all their troops out of Basra?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-938993"><em>Steve-AR @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT..More on the Iranian war; from the UK..No wonder the Brits are leaving Iraq next week.	</p>
<p>Will President Bush bomb Iran?<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/02/wiran102.xml">link</a></p>
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<p>That article was published last February. </p>
<p>But I wonder if the Brits made Bush wait to bomb Iran until they had all their troops out of Basra?</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939223</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cassie at 128 says-When I was 2 or 3 I had really long hair and my brother liked to clean stuff.  So he used my head as a broom or a mop and used my legs as the handle.  He cleaned the whole house with me and then my mom gave me a bath.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cassie-i had this fear of doors when people in front of me would open them, and i would always picture them smacking me in the face…….one night, my mom and one of her friends were in front of me, each opened a door, and i froze, and said i always have had this ‘thing’ about doors when someone else has a hand on them…….my  mom explained that my older brother-who is now dead, he died in the army- when i was a toddler, used to call me into the other room, and we had french doors inside, and when i got there, he would slam the door on me…..was a game for him, and she used to catch him at it all of the time…..never knew where the door thing came from, but i would always flinch when the doors came flying at me, always made sure i had my hand on them ……and in my late 30’s finally got the answer……at least you know, is a good thing……..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cassie at 128 says-When I was 2 or 3 I had really long hair and my brother liked to clean stuff.  So he used my head as a broom or a mop and used my legs as the handle.  He cleaned the whole house with me and then my mom gave me a bath.”</p>
<p>cassie-i had this fear of doors when people in front of me would open them, and i would always picture them smacking me in the face…….one night, my mom and one of her friends were in front of me, each opened a door, and i froze, and said i always have had this ‘thing’ about doors when someone else has a hand on them…….my  mom explained that my older brother-who is now dead, he died in the army- when i was a toddler, used to call me into the other room, and we had french doors inside, and when i got there, he would slam the door on me…..was a game for him, and she used to catch him at it all of the time…..never knew where the door thing came from, but i would always flinch when the doors came flying at me, always made sure i had my hand on them ……and in my late 30’s finally got the answer……at least you know, is a good thing……..</p>
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		<title>By: petwrecker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939165</link>
		<dc:creator>petwrecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939154&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wangdangdoodle @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939149&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;petwrecker @ 209&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you’re favorite, ha?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is.  Until someone plays Hello Walls.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;can’t. find. it. on the you toobz&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-939154"><em>wangdangdoodle @ 210</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-939149"><em>petwrecker @ 209</em></a></p>
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<p>you’re favorite, ha?</p>
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<p>It is.  Until someone plays Hello Walls.</p>
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<p>can’t. find. it. on the you toobz</p>
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		<title>By: wangdangdoodle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939154</link>
		<dc:creator>wangdangdoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939149&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;petwrecker @ 209&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939146&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wangdangdoodle @ 207&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wanna dance?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you’re favorite, ha?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is.  Until someone plays Hello Walls.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-939149"><em>petwrecker @ 209</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-939146"><em>wangdangdoodle @ 207</em></a></p>
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<p>Wanna dance?</p>
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<p>you’re favorite, ha?</p>
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<p>It is.  Until someone plays Hello Walls.</p>
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		<title>By: petwrecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>petwrecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939146&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wangdangdoodle @ 207&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939142&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;petwrecker @ 206&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;did some one say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbypwszw3e0&quot;&gt;Jones?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wanna dance?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you’re favorite, ha?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-939146"><em>wangdangdoodle @ 207</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-939142"><em>petwrecker @ 206</em></a></p>
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<p>did some one say <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbypwszw3e0">Jones?</a></p>
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<p>Wanna dance?</p>
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<p>you’re favorite, ha?</p>
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		<title>By: wangdangdoodle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939146</link>
		<dc:creator>wangdangdoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939142&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;petwrecker @ 206&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-939057&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SnarKassandra @ 139&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TEXAS!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;did some one say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbypwszw3e0&quot;&gt;Jones?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wanna dance?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-939142"><em>petwrecker @ 206</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-939057"><em>SnarKassandra @ 139</em></a></p>
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<p>TEXAS!</p>
</blockquote>
<p>did some one say <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbypwszw3e0">Jones?</a></p>
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<p>Wanna dance?</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/more-from-the-family-values-front/#comment-939147</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Siun has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/he-just-said-continue/&quot;&gt;new thread&lt;/a&gt; going.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siun has a <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/02/he-just-said-continue/">new thread</a> going.</p>
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