One of our favorite Blue America candidates from last cycle was Jay Fawcett, running against Republican Doug Lamborn who was such an asshole the outgoing fellow Republican Joe Hefley wouldn’t endorse him. Lamborn has not failed to disappoint. According to Zappatero over at Square State Project, Lamborn is now threatening Focus on the Family members who wrote an LTE and said he took contributions from gambling interests.
Jonathan Bartha and Anna Bartha told The Denver Post that Lamborn said there would be “consequences” if they did not withdraw their letter.
“We felt very threatened and intimidated, and quite frankly, scared,” Anna Bartha said. “It was just not anything we would ever anticipate an elected official would pursue or a way that an elected official would conduct himself.”
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The Bartha’s letter criticized Lamborn for accepting $1,500 in campaign contributions from the gambling industry. Federal records confirm the donations were accepted, but Lamborn said he returned them. He did not say when and The Post said there is no federal record of them being returned.
Lamborn’s voice mails urged the couple as “brothers and sisters in Christ” and implored them to call him back to discuss their “blatantly false” letter.
Nice. He’s the Tony Soprano of the God Squad, and Jesus is his enforcer.
Meanwhile Howie says that Arlen Specter is now encouraging Larry Craig to tough it out. Gee that’s heroic, Arlen, but it probably would have been a braver stance to take before Craig actually made his announcement (not much of a pun intended). As Howie notes, Craig says he “intends” to resign on September 30. Maybe Arlen’s not so psyched about Ari Fleischer’s million dollars worth of ads running in his back yard and sees some solidarity with Craig (who reportedly pissed Bush off when he wouldn’t vote to renew the Patriot Act?) I don’t think that Arlen will go and do anything bold here, he’s probably just exercising his rare talent for being an irritant.
Still, it’s always funny to see the right wing coughing each other up like hairballs.
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‘alooo…
Jane!!!!
EPU’d downstairs…
In case you’re wondering why so many Dems have turned into lily livered wusses, this might explain it:
# Total number of NSL requests from 2000 (prior to passage of the Patriot Act): about 8,500.
# Total number of NSL requests from 2003-2005 (after passage of the Patriot Act): 143,074.
NSL stands for National Security Letters. The things they use to collect information on you and your habits. Your library use, internet use, phone and banking records, etc…
143,074 NSL’s seeking any or all records on thousands of Americans. Even more interesting, here’s the year by year breakdown:
* 2003: 39,346
* 2004: 56,507
* 2005: 47,221
Gee, what could have caused a spike in NSL’s in 2004? Oh, wait. That was an election year. If all this
spyingdata collection isn’t being done on the Dems, theRNCWhite House is wasting it’s time.again jane is ON IT!!
“Earlier this year, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig explained why he favors Mitt Romney. “First and foremost,” Craig said, “he has very strong family values.” That platitude had power for Craig, as it did for his party. But it turns out that family values might no longer have a “wide stance” athwart American politics. The haste with which his fellow Republicans called for Craig’s resignation suggests that they fear many voters will no longer automatically associate the GOP with superior moral standing.”
Hokey smokes – Jane calls someone an “asshole”?
Not very civil!
Never a dull moment within the Rethug Family…!!!
sen arlen – manages to be on both sides of wide-stance craig…. and that idiotic rep lameborn is reduced to threatening his own followers cuz he voted for gambling – ooooooo shocking! this bunch are beneath contempt imo
It was just a matter of time before these vicious idiots turned on one another. The Barthas, who for all I know are upstanding conservatives, criticized a fellow conservative for taking gambling money. I’m sure they expected he would apologize and promise never to do that again, then provide proof he had in fact returned the money.
Lamborn showed his true colors. Perhaps now the Barthas’ eyes have been opened to the cesspool that is the conservative movement.
Here’s a picture of Lamborn.
TheOtherWA @ 3
Then there are the Hatch Act violations and the report that the DOJ investigated four times as many ‘Democrat’ Party folk as Rethuglicans.
I wonder when the ‘Democrat LeaderSheep’ are going to lose control of their caucus because they are setting themselves up to be the minority party again.
I would imagine all this euphoric ‘Green Zone Haze’ Rahm and ‘Chuckie’ find themselves in as to their parties 2008 chances will be evaporating pretty soon as the American people led by the netroots come to realize that they, the ‘Democrat’ Party, have no answers to the rising tide of Fascism we, the netroots, and they, the people, see so clearly.
It will be too, too late then for Rahm and Co. as we in the netroots are not gonna let you back in the boat we are rowing to freedom.
Nope, you will sink or swim on your own.
Lamborn is now threatening Focus on the Family members
Dumb ass. One word from James Dobson and Lamborn is Left Behind…
jayt @ 12
Don’t ya just love it when they eat their own…!!! ;-)
I donated to Fawcett the last go-around and would do again. Any idea if he going to run again?
Focus on the Family get what they deserve, nuts to them!
jayt @ 12
“Oh No! not that!”
Hmm. This doesn’t mention that Jonathan Bartha works for Focus on the Family….
Guess Dobson was testing how strong the strings were to the puppet.
Hi y’all.
OT, but I just posted my reply to Lanny Davis’ email about Olson on the thread below.
dave @ 6
You must be new!
SnarKassandra @ 17
Aloha, Missie! How’s your holiday break going?
CTuttle @ 20
Very nice except for the rain. Plants are happy. Swimmers are not. Oh well.
Ann in AZ @ 19
Heh, this is a Foul-Mouthed Fem Blog…!!! *g*
SnarKassandra @ 21
Dang, still no break in the weather, how’s the ark coming along? ;-)
CTuttle @ 23
Washed away last weekend. Outgrew the garage ya know.
Loo Hoo. @ 10
Smug, arrogant looking sucker, ain’t he?!!
and speaking of dumb-asses:
Craig hired Michael Vick’s attorney, fresh off his awe-inspiring,
successful defense ofcopping a plea for, Vick.The guy is obviously the perfect attorney for Craig – now he can go back to Minnesota and enter an even more spectacular – Guilty Plea.
Brilliant!! You’d think that after all the practice, the R’s would have the ‘being a criminal defendant’ thing down a little better.
SnarKassandra @ 24
707!!!
In the time it took me to write this, a new post and 22 comments went up.
Re: Orrin Hatch for A.G.
Hatch is a duplicitous son of a bitch, which should qualify him from the Republican perspective. He can easily be confirmed by his colleagues in the Senate.
Hatch has been in the Senate for 30 years, and he won his last election with 62% of the vote. His democratic opponent got half as many votes. Only a fool would bet against him if he chooses to run again in 2012. In any event, he’s Utah’s gift to the Senate until then, unless he is appointed to something.
Orrin Hatch is mentioned in various news sources and in Roll Call as openly lobbying to succeed Alberto Gonzales as United States Attorney General. Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) said on Meet the Press that Hatch was indeed campaigning for the position — a charge Hatch denies.
But is this something we should wish for?
If he is appointed, the Governor of Utah gets to appoint a replacement from a list supplied to him by the Republican central committee. However, the appointment must stand for election at the next regular election.
Jim Matheson, (D) is a viable candidate should he choose to run for the Senate against Hatch’s replacement. The son of a former governor, he represents the largest district in Utah. I believe Utah will be going from 3 to 4 districts soon, and he may not be as safe as before, given the tolerance for gerrymandering we have seen elsewhere. In the past he has won his district with over 60% of the vote.
I love that imagery, but I’d like it better if they coughed up a president or vp or even both.
““We felt very threatened and intimidated, and quite frankly, scared,” Anna Bartha said.
Is this not telling?
I mean, do these folks not know what they are backing?
.
I say Hel* NO to Hatch! jmho
OK, for anyone who’s an attorney or who knows about such things. What is the legal status of a threatening voicemail?
I do not understand the Craig affair.
itwasntme @ 18
Great!
I like Jane’s imagery in the photo above. It is very Republican.
Ann in AZ @ 25
More like a failed shoe salesman….
Wouldn’t it be easier and less expensive for the Republicans just to pass a law making it legal to have gay sex in public bathrooms?
Holy moly. I asked a few days ago if there was a running list of scandals. Checked in today to find a terrific printable list. You guys are just amazing. In the downstairs thread, I mean.
Toby Wollin @ 32
I hope it’s different if the people making threats are high school kids. (Looks quickly at all the OTHER HS kids in the room. Hmmmm. MMMMmmmm.)
Toby Wollin @ 32
OK, for anyone who’s an attorney or who knows about such things. What is the legal status of a threatening voicemail?
In Indiana, it could constitute Intimidation, a Class D Felony…
Was there a threat of physical violence?
Gotta run out and buy pet food and a newspaper. Later.
itwasntme @ 18
Lanny posted this here
twirp.
willyloman @ 37
It would be easier if they stopped demonizing the gay community.
Ann in AZ @ 41
taking care of both ends of your puppy?
BigMitch @ 44
LOL
willyloman @ 37
clarification inserted, being necessary for immediate passage.
jayt @ 40
No. But, the recipient works for James Dobson. Lamborn was probably hinting at workplace retribution. That’s likely why he said he’d work to resolve it “at the Scriptural level.”
Yup, and slavery’s okay at the scriptural level, too. Friggin’ moron.
jayt @ 40
In Indiana, it could constitute Intimidation, a Class D Felony…
Was there a threat of physical violence?
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_6781394
“Now there are consequences to this kind of thing, but I would like to work with you in a way that is best for everyone here concerned.”
I donno, Jayt — sounds pretty threatening to me….
ReneND @ 38
You do know about Hugh’s list?
Thanks everyone for the props to me about my sudden, unexpected personal correspondence with Lanny Davis! It’s kinda scary for a lurker like me to suddenly be point person on this. All advice is welcome.
montag @ 47
So is stoning…
jayt @ 26
Billy Martin is an extremely good lawyer. Now why Craig hired someone from out of state to try to reopen a city court misdemeanor case, I don’t know; but Martin is VERY good lawyer.
Toby Wollin – Most places threatening and intimidating phone calls is considered a high grade misdemeanor if the facts are not exacerbated, which they do not appear to be here. There is some wiggle room for Lamborn, if he plays this smart, he is unlikely to be charged with anything.
BigMitch @ 44
Dang, Mitch, what happened to the Evil Empire…? ;-)
montag @ 47
Interestingly, I spent some time yesterday “at the scriptural level,” as it were. Re-read the weekly portion (according to Jewish tradition) which is from Deuteronomy.
I was struck by the various protections that the law provided for converts. It occurred to me that some of these verses can be used to make a case for more acceptance of immigrants. Just a thought.
hol* *hit! Morons!
I would say that “working to resolve it at the Scriptural level” is a threat of physical violence. Stoning, anyone?
itwasntme @ 50
Even though you didn’t have suggestions (as he asked for in his second message), ask him why he’s recommending anyone. And, ask him why he’s recommending someone who was a player in a conspiracy to ruin his erstwhile boss.
And, remind him of the Senate and Haynesworth and Carswell. You keep going down the list until you find someone who isn’t a partisan, period.
itwasntme @ 50
don’t stop!
Toby Wollin @ 48
oh. I thought you might be talking about something personal to you.
The above language is probably too vague to draw a prosecutor’s attention.
Eureka Springs @ 49
jayt, we’re on the same wavelength.
petwrecker @ 55
And Scooter Libby was CONVICTED and SENTENCED, but I guess he is OK cause he never admitted anything.
AZ Matt @ 43
But if they did that, they would have to run on real issues…. oh yeah, and 9/11.
They’ld never get elected again.
From C&L:
What did the couple do to incur Lamborn’s wrath? Wrote a letter to the editor of their paper denouncing his voting AGAINST stricter dog-fighting penalties. I’d say that this is a case for the House Ethics Committee, wouldn’t you? Rep. Tubbs-Jones is the chairperson, if you’d like to contact them
link
What an idiot!!!
watching giuliani campaigning on cspan. What a phony son-of-a-bitch. And so empty of substance. He has only been talking about pets, lobsters, and Red Sox.
When asked a question about health care, he said his idea is to give a tax break to people like her so they can afford health care. She was a clerk in a gift shop. Probably doesn’t pay enough taxes in a year to pay for a month of health care.
We’re cleaning the house to Eddie Kendricks.
Man those little poodle feet sure can boogie.
Jane, do the poodles help you clean?
Jane Hamsher @ 66
I have such fond feelings for the Hamsher household.
I heard that poodles don’t shed…is that true? Bless their lil’ feet!
BigMitch @ 65
*gasp* How dare the traitor be supporting the Bosox…!!! Just cause you’re in NH, one shouldn’t shed their loyalties, oh wait, it is Ghouliani…!!!
Billy Martin is an extremely good lawyer. Now why Craig hired someone from out of state to try to reopen a city court misdemeanor case, I don’t know; but Martin is VERY good lawyer.
Thanks – couldn’t remember the guy’s name – knew there was a connection with another famous name, was all.
He’s going to have to be good to get that plea set aside. How is a U.S. Senator going to stand in front of a judge, and try to convince him/her that he didn’t understand the law well enough to know what he was doing, and/or didn’t perjure himself when he stipulated to a factual basis?
Eddie Kendricks
jayt @ 71
Maybe his first defense will be IOKIYAR. :)
wangdangdoodle @ 61
jayt, we’re on the same wavelength.
oooh, Van the Man – thanks!
wangdangdoodle @ 61
thank you! )
Snarkassandra @62
Bingo! That’s why the first thing out of a repugs mouth when a Dem does anything is to demand an apology. Every time. Whether it’s deserved or not. Tell the truth and the goopers want an apology.
OT..More on the Iranian war; from the UK..No wonder the Brits are leaving Iraq next week.
Will President Bush bomb Iran?
link
Choose from one or more:
I want a candidate who can sell an idea based on its merits.
I want a candidate who can sell an idea, regardless of its merits, based on emotion.
I want a candidate who can sell an idea by destroying (via blackmail, etc.) any opposition to it.
jayt @ 71
Yep.
That whole “I’m guilty of perjury, not disturbing the peace (let alone lewd conduct)” is going to be a hard sell to any judge.
BTW, what’s the going penalty for perjury these days?
Jonathan @ 78
D All of the Above. I want a ‘puplican.
Leahy says that there ainta gonna be a new Attorney General until he finds out what crimes the last one committed…
SnarKassandra @ 80
Umm, Cass… extortion is a felony. You might want to skip that one. :)
Did itwasntme just say lil’ feet?
wangdangdoodle @ 72
thanks some more! )
rwcole @ 81
Woo-hoo!!
Really?
montag @ 82
I was pretending.
rwcole @ 81
Good idea, but he’s gonna have to tie up and gag Specter in the cloak room to make it work.
Yep.
That whole “I’m guilty of perjury, not disturbing the peace (let alone lewd conduct)” is going to be a hard sell to any judge.
BTW, what’s the going penalty for perjury these days?
609.48, Minnesota Statutes 2006
Subd. 4. Sentence. Whoever violates this section may be sentenced as follows:
(1) if the false statement was made upon the trial of a felony charge, or upon an application
for an explosives license or use permit, to imprisonment for not more than seven years or to
payment of a fine of not more than $14,000, or both; or
(2) in all other cases, to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine
of not more than $10,000, or both.
Andy B.
This is how Republicans work. You lick my ass, and I’ll lick yours. If you’re not licking ass, you should get out of the men’s room.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…../gonzales/
Link to Leahy story
wangdangdoodle @ 83
Marry me.
GeorgeSimian @ 90
That;s really gross.
SnarKassandra @ 93
Yeah. I agree.
jayt @ 88
If Craig’s looking for a deal from the judge in exchange for dropping his old plea, doing five years in prison works for me.
JayT I think she married someone else.
petwrecker @ 89
707!
No, really, I fell off my chair!!
My favorite Van song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCwe1nd6-is
SnarKassandra @ 93
No worse than what they’ve been doing to us in broad daylight.
jayt @ 88
jayt,
I’m not a criminal lawyer.
But if I were Billy Martin, I’d argue that Craig lacked the state of mind to enter a guilty plea (i.e., because of stress, consternation, etc.).
jayt @ 92
Sorry, that would be bigamy.
;)
GeorgeSimian @ 94
Makes me wanna start calling them Rimpublicans….
wangdangdoodle @ 83
you’re hot tonight!
SnarKassandra @ 96
Hi Snarkita!! The garden is almost ready for the easy work…
wangdangdoodle @ 101
wangdangdoodle @ 97
Don’t hurt yourself, now! ;~)
jayt @ 71
Yes, I remember the time that he argued successfully that George Brett’s homerun should be called back because he had pine tar too high up his bat. The case was overturned on appeal. Another great case, I saw with my own eyes was when he objected to a pitcher who was wearing an undershirt with white sleeves, not the uniform undershirt. He had the umpires make the pitcher change. The Yankees retired Billy Martin’s number, 1, in 1985. He passed away in the town I went to college in, Binghamton, N.Y., and is remembered for competing and drinking hard. He was an all-star second baseman during his playing years.
Elliott @ 103
I am inspired by my friends at the lake.
Montag, you’re terrible! LOL!!
SnarKassandra @ 67
Well, they…supervise. You know how it is.
EvilDrPuma @ 105
Not gonna touch that!
;)
Sept. 10, 2007 issue – Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told friends he resigned last week at the urging of his wife following a summer vacation. But he had plenty of reasons to leave the capital. Just days earlier, congressional leaders had signaled they intended to keep the attorney general in their crosshairs this fall, forcing him to testify at length about the administration’s warrantless surveillance efforts before they would consider passing new legislation on the subject.
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That prospect, combined with hints that an internal Justice Department probe was expanding to include allegations that Gonzales had lied to Congress, created mounting anxiety at the White House, according to officials who asked not to be identified talking about internal deliberations. A former colleague urged Gonzales to step down months ago, but the A.G. hung on—believing the president wanted him to stay, the official said. By last week, that no longer seemed to be the case. One big reason: an internal review by chief of staff Josh Bolten concluded that Gonzales was so politically weak he had become an obstacle to Bush’s agenda, especially on the passage of an updated Foreign Intelligence Surveillance law.
The White House is looking for a new A.G. who can work with Congress. Aides called around, asking about four candidates: former deputy attorney general Larry Thompson (who would be the first African-American A.G.), former solicitor general Ted Olson, former deputy A.G. George Terwilliger, and current Solicitor General Paul Clement (the acting A.G. once Gonzales leaves). Aides say the final selection likely won’t come until Bush returns from this week’s trip to Australia for an economic summit
TheOtherWA @ 109
Ridicule `em every chance you get. That’s my motto. :)
wangdangdoodle @ 111
credit Groucho, please
BigMitch @ 107
At the time of his death, Mr. Martin owned a horse breeding operation in the area called Ocala North.
bigmitch@107
LOL – not THAT billy martin….
Jane,
FWIW, I believe all dogs are good dogs.
Jane, can you send the poodles over to my house next?
CTuttle @ 98
and most enjoyable
I gotta pooch that’s half poodle- an she don’t clean a damned thing.
montag @ 113
Why not? Hannity doesn’t lose an opportunity to call us the “nutroots” or “liberal fanatics” and he’s not even funny when he does it. Actually, scratch that, he’s never funny.
wangdangdoodle @ 72
Hey Cassie, this is what the poodles are “supervising” to. It’s awesome.
BigMitch @ 107
“Yes, I remember the time that he argued successfully that George Brett’s homerun should be called back because he had pine tar too high up his bat. The case was overturned on appeal.”
He was THAT lawyer? omg
Jonathan @ 117
There are new breeds of cats that are huge and can be walked on a leash and housebroken. Very beautiful. I was talking about them to my son, and I said, “they combine the best features of cats and dogs.” To which my son replied, “which is another way of saying, the best features of dogs.”
wangdangdoodle @ 108
this is an eight minute song and I am falling way behind so even before I listen, thanks wdd!
wangdangdoodle @ 104
I have heard that line before Mrs Doodle. Is this a PAYING job? It’s almost labor day ya know.
itwasn’tme at 50 says-”Thanks everyone for the props to me about my sudden, unexpected personal correspondence with Lanny Davis! It’s kinda scary for a lurker like me to suddenly be point person on this. All advice is welcome.”
i thought your response was excellent, and you chose the same two people i would have mentioned to him.
i’ve been gone all week, and am unpacking, petting animals, etc., but wanted you to know that i thought what you wrote was well done…..and a ‘well done’ on writing to him in the first place……sounds like he wants correspondence and opinions of an intellectual nature, that is good……so let’s give him some of that……i believe someone posted his email in the last thread………..
AND i missed a whole week of threads, any in particular i should look at? there’s no way to read them all……..and the comments……
will check back in later on……
When I was 2 or 3 I had really long hair and my brother liked to clean stuff. So he used my head as a broom or a mop and used my legs as the handle. He cleaned the whole house with me and then my mom gave me a bath.
BigMitch,
I’ve got a cat too. Five others have been gotten here in CT by coyotes, bobcats or fishers.
I saw the Temptations last year live at the green with Maxine Waters, Ned Lamont and several thousand others. It was fun, a hot summer night but oh, Eddie Kendricks and David Ruffin in their prime. Nothing quite like it. So sad that they’re gone.
jayt @ 71
Yeah, well, I got no answer for that one. I see no chance in hell. Furthermore, I will bet dollars to donuts that a thorough investigation will find a lawyer somewhere that Craig consulted with in the two months in between his arrest and change of plea; in spite of the fact that he had no counsel of record at the COP. I guess there is not much harm in him trying, just so he can say he tried (there need not be much judicial resources wasted on a city magistrate saying “Are you nuts, your plea was voluntary, get out of here”).
Elliott @ 119
Mine, too CT! But it’s all good…
Don’t any of you listen to country music?
SnarKassandra @ 133
which one, Cassie? My fav happens to be Sweden.
montag @ 87
Lets let the Republicans tie themselves up in the closet; heh no reason for Leahy to engage in that.
bmaz @ 131
Don’t bet the farm. Someone re-typed the change of plea form and it doesn’t contain an explicit waiver of the right to counsel. It was submitted by mail, so there is no colloquy to make up for this lacuna. In some jurisdictions, this is an automatic mulligan. I shit you not.
Jonathan @ 100
Still comes down to whether he understood the law, what he was doing, and the consequences of the plea.
Then there will be the audio tape of the hearing, which the prosecutor will play in a hearing on a Motion to Set Aside Guilty Plea. On that tape will be the defendant acknowledging that he understands the nature of the charges against him, the constitutional rights he’s giving up by pleading as opposed to going to trial, that the judge is not bound by the agreement between the parties, that the judge has the right to reject it and set the matter for trial, and the judge then asking the defendant, in light of all of the above, whether he still desires to enter a plea of guilty. Then there will either be a reading of the allegations, or a waiver of the reading thereof – but still the defendant must stipulate to the judge, under oath, that the allegations made against him are indeed true. I would anticipate that the Senator’s own voice will damn him; that he will not sound confused in any way – other, maybe, than in a hurry to get the hell out of there.
It’s a battle up a very steep hill – and the consequences of winning may be far worse than those of losing.
SnarKassandra @ 126
It pays vegetables better than you can ever get at the store!
Toby Wollin @ 134
TEXAS!
wangdangdoodle @ 101
Ree-jected!! *g*
SnarKassandra @ 139
Ah, well, a moment of silence in memory of Bob Wills.
SnarKassandra @ 133
Why certainly, Missie! Here ya go…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osLsjMbkFn4
wangdangdoodle @ 138
Oh.
jayt @ 140
Well… I’d “friend” ya if you joined facebook.
CTuttle @ 142
That’s an old one, but I like it. Thanks.
jayt @ 137
Jayt, I woulda thunk the same, but I would have been wrong. This plea was submitted by mail. Totally contrary to what happens most often in my state 99% of the time, and 100% of the time in Federal court. But it is what it was.
Now, here, I am just guessing, but a guy who could get George Brett homer thrown out of a game, might be able to argue that the plea must be limited to the four corners of the plea document. If it is inadequate in its waiver of 6th Ammendment rights, the plea gets withdrawn. Or so the argument might go.
Well… I’d “friend” ya…
Man – if I had a nickel for every time… heh.
SnarKassandra @ 133
I’m all over the musical universe, but Emmylou Harris has always been a favorite of mine.
SnarKassandra @ 143
Here’s some Bob Wills for ya. Mr. Doodle is learning this one next.
BigMitch @ 28
I think you have captured the essence of the man. You know a fair number of the players in the DOJ Follies have been Hatch proteges: Kyle Sampson, Brett Tolman, Jeffrey Taylor, Wan Kim. There are probably more.
jayt at 137
Thanks for the good lesson in criminal procedure.
driving by with another country oldie:
Grandpa Jones
waving hi to all…see ya later!
CTuttle @ 142
Good stuff there, CT!
Okay I’m officially getting nothing done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al1m8Zbgq5g
Damn I love that song. Sounds particularly good right now.
Totally O/T
What’s with “The Politically Incorrect Guide to ….”
A woman is on C-Span 2 talking about the Politically Incorrect Guide to Women Sex and Feminism. I’ve seen politically incorrect guides to Islam, Capitalism etc.
Who is behind this bullshit.
The author of the anti-feminist bullshit on the tubes now, is kind of cute. But what else is known about the folks who are promoting this agenda.
If I ever need legal advice, I’m not going to Arlen Specter. There are probably worse choices in Congress, even if one excludes the non-lawyers, but Arlen’s track record speaks for itself.
BigMitch @ 135
I would asume that he either appeared or the plea was taken telephonically (which usually is not allowed without a lawyer); so there should be an audiotape record of the plea proceeding where the judge confirms knowing and informed waiver of right to counsel. This official proceeding record should be controlling over any defect in a document, if what you said is indeed the case. I will hazard a guess that Craig doesn’t really want to have this set aside and placed back on a trial docket; he just wants to be able to say he tried and, golly gee, would prove his innocence if only the mean old court would let him.
Jane Hamsher @ 154
Jane, read 128 and see if one of the puppies wants to be a broom.
The Congressional Democrats should write books how to negotiate
1. Always give the other side the benefit of the doubt: especially if they have lied to you before.
2. Wait for the other side to stake a position and use that as the starting point for negotiations – that is a lot less work than trying to do so yourself.
3. When you get an outrageous proposal, immediately give in on 90% so you are closer to a worked out solution that will make them happy.
4. If the other guys renege on a deal, panic and give them what they started off asking for or you will be seen as obstructive.
LoudounLib @ 152
Hi and bye, Lou!
I’m out for a bit too, someone wants his steak.
Back later to dance backwards…
Hi pups,
Attended a cookout today hosted by an Iraq vet. A guy that is likable in almost every way. He’s a great dad and husband, clearly loves his country without being a wingnut drone, and he absolutely has no interest in talking about what he experienced over there. His wife says that he never talks about it and that’s fine with her as long as he doesn’t have to go back. I had so many questions for him but refrained, out of respect. These guys (and girls) really deserve a lot of credit for what they’ve sacrificed.
I would give my right arm to bring all of our guys and gals home from this sickening occupation.
Jane Hamsher @ 154
That happens to me too when I come here!
Cujo359 @ 156
Actually Snarlin’ Arlen would be a great choice for AG. He could make deals where he caved in to himself.
bmaz @ 157
I think you are right about what he really wants. But as to whether or not there was a change of plea telephonically or otherwise, I am going on what I heard from a practitioner in the district where the change-of-plea occurred. He was on the Ed Schultz radio call-in show. He alerted the audience to the change in the form, and said the plea was submitted by mail.
If there were a hearing record, don’t you think we would have heard it by now?
Lawyers,
Never wanted to be a trial judge.
Appellate judge would be OK.
rootless2 @ 159
That book should have a picture on the cover of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.
rootless2 @ 159
Been taking peeks into Harry Reid’s playbook?
Hugh @ 163
And, then, he’d call the cameras in to congratulate himself on his toughness and determination….
SnarKassandra @ 158
No they have feather dusters for tails.
Jayt, I woulda thunk the same, but I would have been wrong. This plea was submitted by mail. Totally contrary to what happens most often in my state 99% of the time, and 100% of the time in Federal court. But it is what it was.
What? Seriously? Never even heard of such a thing… It’s a crime, not an infraction like a speeding ticket… what kind of Mickey Mouse fuckery …?
Still, I guess, that if the document complies with the requirements of the 6th and, within the four corners, covers what would be done orally at a real Plea Hearing, it should stand. But that does indeed make it a whole different kettle of fish.
You’re serious, right ?
wangdangdoodle @ 166
And, titled, Legislating by Dummies.
Oh, I musy have been missing that part!
Hugh @ 163
And we could change his nickname to “Moebius”. Sounds so much more dignified, doesn’t it?
ohhh i dont wanna talk about not getting anything done… sunday papers piled on my bed unread….. been on the lake all afternoon….but i cant break awayyyyyy lol
I’m all over the musical universe, but Emmylou Harris has always been a favorite of mine.
She won’t marry me either. Never calls, never writes… *s*
Cujo359 @ 173
Wasn’t that the name of a strip club in Firesign Theatre.
Cassie,
Focus on your studies.
Learn all you can learn.
BigMitch @ 164
I am going to go take a look around teh Google or something, but I would swear I heard the lead guy from the local newspaper on the story (who seemed like a really bright, good reorter by the way) say they had gone to the court and reviewed the record of the plea. I also thought I heard, although I am less sure of this, that Craig went back to Minneapolis for the COP. I’ll see what I can find and report back in a little bit. You got have some record other than a freaking mailed in document though…
jayt @ 175
Celebrities. Too big to marry people they don’t know.
Jonathan @ 177
Or you could forget about learning entirely and become a Republican.
Cujo359 @ 179
Fuck ‘em.
jane@181
hehehehehe
Stop patronizing me. I am a very dedicated student.
SnarKassandra @ 183
Keep at it.
Jonathan @ 184
I bet you were once somebody’s brother.
Marvin
Aunt Betsy put the whole list of scandals in one place so people can comment on it and keep adding to it.
Current list of repuglican scandals
Thanks to ccmask and assorted FDL folks. Leave a comment if you have an addition.
GOP SCANDAL SHEET
SnarKassandra @ 185
And if you were, Jonathan, I hope you still are.
Snarky, you will go far, I’m very sure. Are you on a debate team yet?
SnarKassandra @ 185
I had 2 older sisters.
One younger brother.
I always marked out my own path.
You had him pegged Cassie!
juslin @ 174
It’s like crack. Or what I imagine crack to be like.
Laura Doty @ 188
No ma’am. I did not have room for debate AND journalism, so I chose journalism. But I still have 2 more years of HS after this one, and will be done with foreign language and science before senior year.
BigMitch @ 28
He is far too self centered to give up the senate for the AG office, IMHO.
wangdangdoodle @ 191
wise crack..)
Hugh @ 180
Or come over and help me garden so you have a back up plan…
;)
Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) — Senator Arlen Specter said Idaho Republican Larry Craig should try to withdraw his guilty plea to disorderly conduct in connection with an incident in an airport men’s room and fight the case.
I think he could be vindicated, Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on the Fox News Sunday program.
Arrgh, Ensign is saying he is proud of how fast the Senate Repugs responded to Wide-Stance Craig! C’mon George and Chuck, debunk his BS!!! (This Week w/GS!)
Well, you’ll make a great journalist. And I haven’t forgotten you plan to run for prez…and I sure plan on being around long enough to vote for you!
Any debate team that has you will be a winner.
Doodle, couldn’t you at LEAST be growing chocolate back there????
Jane Hamsher @ 154
Great song and BTW you have gmail Miss Jane.
Siun’s upstairs. I forgot to link, but you know how to get there!
SnarKassandra @ 199
As soon as I find seeds!
Jeebus. This is freaking unbelievable. Here is the link to the document. It truly appears he did this all by mail. I am incredulous that ANY court would allow this to be entered without at least a telephonic record, but that appears to be what happened here. Jeralyn Merrit says the same thing you heard about this being a no brainer to get set aside. I don’t know about that. The form doesn’t advise of the right to counsel as well as it clearly should, and that is at least a cognizable argument for setting aside the plea. However, if I were the judge, I would set it for a hearing and make Craig tell me under oath that he had no assistance of counsel in this process. I still maintain that he did and pulled this BS way of dealing with it intentionally.
http://www.talkleft.com/docs/craigguiltyplea.pdf
bmaz, you been EPU’d.
SnarKassandra @ 187
I would add Italia Federici and Steven Griles They were both convicted for lying to Congress. They were both part of the Abramoff scandal. Federici ran a fake Republican environmental group set up by Gale Norton the Secretary of Interior. Griles was the No. 2 at Interior.
SnarKassandra @ 139
did some one say Jones?
petwrecker @ 206
Wanna dance?
Siun has a new thread going.
wangdangdoodle @ 207
you’re favorite, ha?
petwrecker @ 209
It is. Until someone plays Hello Walls.
wangdangdoodle @ 210
can’t. find. it. on the you toobz
cassie at 128 says-When I was 2 or 3 I had really long hair and my brother liked to clean stuff. So he used my head as a broom or a mop and used my legs as the handle. He cleaned the whole house with me and then my mom gave me a bath.”
cassie-i had this fear of doors when people in front of me would open them, and i would always picture them smacking me in the face…….one night, my mom and one of her friends were in front of me, each opened a door, and i froze, and said i always have had this ‘thing’ about doors when someone else has a hand on them…….my mom explained that my older brother-who is now dead, he died in the army- when i was a toddler, used to call me into the other room, and we had french doors inside, and when i got there, he would slam the door on me…..was a game for him, and she used to catch him at it all of the time…..never knew where the door thing came from, but i would always flinch when the doors came flying at me, always made sure i had my hand on them ……and in my late 30’s finally got the answer……at least you know, is a good thing……..
Steve-AR @ 77
That article was published last February.
But I wonder if the Brits made Bush wait to bomb Iran until they had all their troops out of Basra?
Bob in HI
dmac @ 212
Less family oriented, but I was in a car wreck in a really curvy part of an interstate in Mass, spun out, and still have back problems (at 24!).. I can’t go around a curve in a highway in the rain over about 40 mph..
–PS– If I don’t know you.. feel free to facebook me anyways! ::waves politely::
bmaz @ 131
And even worse, it’s clear that Craig at least CONSIDERED calling his lawyers. After the incident he called the Police Department and demanded that he receive the charges and the name and phone number of the Prosecuting Attorney “for my law firm”. He said this to both the initial officer handling the call and the arresting office, David Karsnia. After Karsnia provided him with the Police Attorney’s name handling these cases Craig said “That’s just what I need”.
So if Craig didn’t call the DA personally then it was likely handled by a lawyer, or a law firm likely received the documents.
In addition, in 1982 Craig, then a Congressman, had the FBI interview him at the offices of his legal representative about accusations of having sex with male pages. So apparently he knows all about this sort of stuff. It’s not inappropriate sex acts.the first time he’s been accuse of