I have talked about this before, but my comments were based on anecdotal information that I was getting from friends and former colleagues still in law enforcement. However on Friday, the Wall Street Journal had a front page story confirming what I have been saying for quite some time.
DOJ is being hollowed out and it is having a very negative effect on the enforcement of criminal laws in this country. Shorter me--we are less safe!
Whoever succeeds Alberto Gonzales as attorney general will face a long list of challenges at the Justice Department, from unfilled senior positions to sagging morale. One of the most pressing, according to dozens of current and former federal prosecutors, is a budget squeeze at U.S. attorneys' offices that has led to declines in crime prosecutions and delays in major investigations.
I mean think of it, other than Pat Fitz's steamroller in NDIL (which just seems to keep churning out those indictments month after month--don't those people ever sleep?), when was the last time you saw a press conference with a USA announcing a major new indictment, much less several indictments stemming from a complex massive investigation?
I live in NY. We are blessed with SDNY, which through good USA's and bad, could always be counted on for AT LEAST 4 or 5 major indictment announcements a year, and at least one "trial of the century" a year.
Yes, I realize how funny that last line sounds, but you know what I mean.
Now, I'm the sort who would notice a press conference from one of the USA's offices in my locale (NYC actually has both EDNY and SDNY within the 5 boro's). I am the sort who would pay attention to the progress of a mega trial, as I did through all the mafia prosecutions and terror prosecutions of the 1980's and 1990's.
I'm a geek, and that sort of stuff is entertaining for me in addition to being very serious and important work.
However, there hasn't been much to follow coming out of either EDNY or SDNY for the last few years. I cannot recall a drought like this since I started paying attention to criminal prosecutions.
The Justice Department confirmed that "budget constraints have affected operations" in the U.S. attorneys' offices and have had an impact on the numbers of cases brought.
"Fewer cases were getting charged and bigger investigations were taking longer because there weren't enough prosecutors to do them," says Debra Yang, who stepped down in October 2006 as the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles. Department of Justice data show the impact. Prosecutions are down overall, with large drops in categories such as drugs, violent crime and white-collar offenses.
According to WSJ, lack of money is so acute, that US Attorney's offices are having trouble paying for court reporters transcripts, travel to take depositions, and even photocopying. Lack of these basic tools coupled with lack of lawyers, led to a delay of nearly six months, six months in the investigation of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Ca.) and delayed an investigation by the San Francisco office into corporate executives who backdated stock options, according to the Journal.
Brian Hershman, a former deputy chief of the Los Angeles office's public corruption section, declined to comment on specific cases, but confirms that his group's work overall was derailed by the departure of experienced prosecutors.
Replacements "are mostly rookies," he says. "It will be some time before they'll be able to restore the section to what it was before."
So that's it in a nutshell, DOJ has been hollowed out, many of the experienced people have been pushed out or left. Rookies---good gravy! Regent Law grads who could pass Monica Goodling's superfun litmus test---are left to try to learn on the job. How will that happen without the superstructure of a full complement of experienced supervisors and mentors, a/k/a "career" DOJ attorneys? DOJ has been hollowed out and it's gonna take years to rebuild, once somebody actually begins to try to rebuild.
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darn it! LHP!
I have an inkling this post is not supposed to be here yet. But for the record, thank you for writing this. We both knew this was what was happening, but seeing it in newsprint still makes one cringe. This is exactly why our lame Democratic leaders cannot be allowed to bargain and diddle these investigations away. The record has to be set straight and a foundation laid for the people understanding the purging and cleaning that will have to occur under the next administration.
LHP- any idea what’s up with this being in the WSJ? Not where I would have expected it to come from/ appear.
boing back one-and-a-half somersaults, tuck, no splash
g’evening everyone
bmaz @ 4
This IS the Late Nite post - LHP is our front pager tonight :) woohoo legal stuff to chew on.
has anyone let downstairs know?
number nine? number nine?
Shit kickin’, boot scootin’!
Valley Girl @ 5
Not what I would have expected either. I guess you don’t have to worry about anybody saying it’s coming from a left wing media outlet looking to criticize tha Admin.
my apologiez, bmaz - i see i quoted a comment from you when this post went up early.
in the immortal words of emily - never mind (sheepish look on face)
Suzanne @ 7
Not yet, Evening Ma Cheri!!!
a hollowed out DOJ is just the way the Bushies like it.
Meet the new war…
The idea here is to identify outlets of Iran war propaganda as they arise and shut them down in a blizzard of rapid response.
Cheney’s setting this up with the WSJ as it’s primary front, with AEI and other propaganda rags giving support.
(Can you say “William the Bloody?”)
Being that the winters in Iran are still harsh, Cheney needs to pull this off before November.
He must be stopped.
From all the way inside your hearts, do an act of kindness in the name of Dick Cheney every day.
It’s focused Compassion as a weapon of mass Ascension.
Trust me on this one. Please.
Pass it on.
Suzanne @ 7
I screwed up the “time stamp”on the post and it went up for a little while about an hour or so ago. Jane rescued it and took it down and straightened out the time stamp.
I can’t type, I can’t spell, and I cannot make technology work. it’s wonder you al lput up with me.
Disclosure: I believe in conspiracies.
I believe a criminal enterprise, of shifting shape, has controlled the U.S. government in all its branches since 11/22/63.
OldCoastie @ 14
Wonder if they’d like torches and pitchforks?
And, following the idea that fiction is often more effective in conveying the reality on the ground than news shows:Both the Sopranos and Wired have pointed out how FBI funds have been shifted from crime to Homeland Security. This and the strapped local community funds, police have been cut back so local crime is on the rice.
OldCoastie @ 14
When you’re spending all your time trying to find partisan cases, and looking the other way at your own, no surprise.
BTW, that’s a dangerous-looking doughnut… what are those black dots? Botulism? :)
lhp, i for one appreciate your typo’s … i still use the bright shiny thong one
lhp! in a Teddy…. spot..)
Lack of these basic tools coupled with lack of lawyers, led to a delay of nearly six months, six months in the investigation of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Ca.) and delayed an investigation by the San Francisco office into corporate executives who backdated stock options, according to the Journal.
Was that one being run by Carol Lam? And is that the one Debra Yang was involved with before taking a job with the firm defending him (or is that a different case?)
OldCoastie @ 14
I think so too. An ineffectual DOJ–when the public doesn’t know it can’t do the job anymore– creates the false impression that there must not be any crimes, whY?
Because you don’t have indictments being announced.
However, the reality is that there just isn’t the abilty to do the investigation.
Breaks my heart.
Thank you for covering this terrible story. We will be years recovering our once honorable Department of Justice. My prosecutor father would be sad to see how far our government has fallen in how we value the law.
Wow, LHP, so the ‘voice of angels’ analogy needs a serious makeover…???
looseheadprop @ 16
Um, Al is caput (well, on the 17th), and assuming lput is short for lilliputian, everything is “up” to them :-).
looseheadprop @ 16
You’re passionate about the law, justice and honor and that’s what really counts.
A DOJ being run by Regent grads because that’s all that is left…jeezus.
montag @ 20
I orginally looked for a hollowed out tree, but couldn’t find a image that made it look like a bad thing. This doughnut however???
Tres ick
Suzanne @ 21
A classic FDL moment!
I remember Judge Walton making lots of remarks about a lack of money during the Libby trial.
Plenty of money for war and mercenaries, little for criminal justice in our own country. Sorry state of affairs.
CTuttle-
There was a picture of Colt in the local paper this morning showing off his newest hairstyle. Seen it?
Eureka Springs @ 22
Even weirder, I have “late late night” as well
Loo Hoo. @ 32
No money for infrastructure either.
lhp, what can we ordinary folk do - does this need more publicizing? Is DOJ’s peter pocket being robbed to pay the War paul pocket?
looseheadprop @ 16
I didn’t even tell anybody when it happened trying to cover ya :))
LoudounLib @ 29
Another great American idea from the people who brought you Shock & Awe.
LoudounLib @ 29
what’s Commissar Goodling up to these days?
jayt @ 23
Yeah, me too…why interview Debra Wong-Yang and only come up with this?
No questions as to whether she was consciously aware she was part of the hollowing out process when she bit on the massive signing bonus offered to leave the DOJ as well as the Lewis investigation — I mean, return to private practice?
Jeebus.
lhp, Any hint of a change in the next budget? Would the D’s dare to betray the Chimperor and ask his own appointees to do some work?
madmommy @ 33
Wouldn’t it cool? All eight of the Isles…!!! ;-)
jayt @ 23
Yang was USA in LA. The LA office did the Lewis investigation
LoudounLib @ 29
A DOJ being run by Regent grads because that’s all that is left…jeezus.
who are probably spending the day cruising pr0n sites - doin’ “research”?
jayt @ 23
It’s the same. I find it a little strange that Yang bailed on the Lewis case and that has the chutzpah to lament that cases like it take longer to come to trial.
CTuttle @ 43
Dreads last season, the islands this year. The boy’s gone native!
jayt @ 44
who are probably spending the day cruising pr0n sites - doin’ “research”?
Our tax dollars at work!
looseheadprop @ 34
You drew the shortest straw…??? 8~)
Is DOJ’s peter pocket being robbed to pay the War paul pocket?
I don’t think “peter pockets” are an appropriate topic for this blog.
I used to think that things would get better after Nixon. Then we got Reagan. Then we got Poppy. Then we got Clinton, who mostly went along to get along, instead of undoing the damage. Then we end up with Junior.
Fucking `pugs have done their best to mess up my entire adult life.
ok, i am totally pissed………….
yes, completely and totally……………..i mentioned a few threads back, and then one after, that i have been out of town all this week……since tuesday…….have been unpacking and giving pet love inbetween checking threads…and asked that i be filled in on what i missed………….
*crickets*
then, i catch up on just the last few threads, and man, oh man, the stuff i missed………..jayt wants to marry wang, cassie is tryin’ to turn on country, legal battles ensueing, and all are checking in,,,,,,,
WHAT THE HELL, DO I HAVE TO DEPEND ON LATE NITE PUPS FOR UPDATES OR WHAT?????????????????????
I, firedog pups, i do my best to keep people infomed, do me that much at least………i am considering going back to being a lurker, since it seems ;pathetic to ask for things that aren’t delivered……..this never happens at late night……….just sayin’………
jayt @ 49
707
jayt @ 49
jayt-the story you asked for is downstairs.
I can’t type, I can’t spell, and I cannot make technology work. it’s wonder you al lput up with me.
Because you know your stuff, LHP. And do a great job of educating the rest of us. Your passion about the rule of law just gets me, and gives me hope. You are one of my favs on all of the internets!
LoudounLib @ 47
well.. remember Monica got her start doing oppositional research for the RNC. In between the porn, they’re probably surfing FDL as well speak. prolly a whole division at DOJ trying to figure out who we are behind our handles… and another division trying to figure out how to block librul blogs
Suzanne @ 36
DOJ’s peter pocket?
After a post on how the DOJ is playing pocket pool?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
madmommy @ 46
He came back for his senior year! The NFL was drooling last year for him…!!!
CTuttle @ 26
You know when Comey testified he said that an AUSA walking in to court come there with a vast resevoir of credibilty and it is each DOJ lawyer’s job to try to make sure that the resevoir is as least as full whe s/he leaves ans when s/he began with DOJ.
The well is sadly depleted and running dry. It will take years to rebuild that broken trust.
Jonathan @ 17
It was conceived in the closing days of WWII by the Dulles boys, Pres Bush, the Murchison and Hunt families in Texas, and the people who drew up and had implemented the National Security Act.
The results: Mossadegh in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala, the introduction of US troops into Vietnam for covert ops apres the French, military actions in Haiti and the Dominican Republic, Laos, Vietnam (still), Diem killed, JFK, Malcolm, Martin, Bobby, etc, etc, etc.
And all of the above neutralized by two little words: conspiracy theory.
Utter them and the conspirators laugh their asses off as people try to distance themselves from even listening to the particulars.
montag @ 50
You and me both. There hasn’t been a real liberal with even a serious shot at the White House while I’ve been voting. And I’ve gotten mightily tired of the DLC types.
LooseHead, I think you’re a genius, and I would go way out of my way for the opportunity to avail myself of your wisdom, plus you were the first person on this blog to ever speak to me, for which you are always fondly noted. :)
LHP — Debra Wong-Yang was investigating Rep. Jerry Lewis.
Carol Lam was investigating Cunningham-Wilkes.
The paths surely cross and the hollowing out affected both investigations deliberately.
Good evening dear friends. Hope that all are well.
…that old bush-family saying? “Crime pays AND the hours are good.”
Lawlessness has always been the ‘new black’ for the Bush family and now they’ve made it so for the entire nation.
By the way you ‘Democrat’ Party LeaderSheep how is that ‘oversight’ thingy coming along. Got yer any subpeenys yet Sen. Leahy, Rep. Waxman or…
Are ya jes gonna bloviate til it’s too damn late and the crooks and liars of BushCo. are happily retired on their Federal pension.
I mean Abu Gonzo gonna git his COBRA and pension ain’t he.
Oh…you’ll git back to me on that. Great….
I’ll just wait right here ’til ya do.
Blub @ 39
When Goodling quit, according to her wiki page, she wrote Abu this:
“May God bless you richly as you continue your service to America.”
By “God”, do you think she means Bush?
TexBetsy @ 63
Evening texB-kids still eating you out of house and home?
madmommy @ 67
Nope. One on a sleepover and the other at dad’s. Nephew’s working tonight. I got the place to myself!
Suzanne @ 36
I t may be a Peter/Paul thing, but it may also be more insideous. As I said above, if DOj is broken, but the public wouldn;’t realize that, thy would mistake lack of indictments–like for Katrina frauds– for lack of crimes.
There is more than one way to sto the umpire from calling balls and strikes: you can kick sand in his eyes, or you can turn off the stadium lights during a might game.
ccmask @ 66
There’s a little girl who’s going to hell….
TexBetsy @ 68
WOO HOO!
looseheadprop @ 58
And will truly have severe repercussions in all cases from here on out, look what the Libby outcome has produced to date within the Judiciary!!!
A.Citizen @ 65
The revolution will not be televised….for that matter it won’t even be spoken of
And impeachment is STILL off the fucking table.
TexBetsy @ 63
Howdy, Ma’am! It could always be better…!!! ;-)
Eureka Springs @ 41
I guess that a lot will depend on who the next Ag is.
What are you looking for, dmac? Someone to distill everything that’s been covered?
LoudounLib @ 29
I think that answers the question “Who benefits?” The Republican party is made up of interest groups with very different goals. The glue that holds them together,however, is the need to weaken the Constitution and the rule of law.
If you ask the “benefit” question from all of the bad outcomes, if we continue the present course, the answer is always the same; the theocrats.
1) Weak Constitution & christianist judges
2) Expanding War
3) defeated and broken military
4) Recession or depression
5) Discredited Federal Government
We have a couple of lawyers here, but this is a game anyone can play: can any of you imagine being interviewed by Monica Goodling for a job? It must have been really painful for the kinds of smart people who want those jobs, knowing how much smarter they were than she is, regardless of their political leanings.
LHP — when do you envision this possibly happening?
TexBetsy @ 63
Hello, young lady….enjoy the peace!!
looseheadprop @ 75
which will depend on the dems not rolling over on the competence issue
(sigh)
Hugh @ 45
I think this may be her way of trying to get somebody to DIG.
I would be willing to bet there some huge backstory here.
we take 2 steps up and get knocked down 5…..bummer all the way round and on this note i’ll lurk on the lake as i’m at a loss for words right now sad to say…
CTuttle @ 57
I missed something. CTuttle, got something to brag about? Have at it!
masaccio @ 78
It’s like that in municipal government too…believe me…
masaccio @ 78
What was that question she’d always ask?
“What type of conservative are you? Social, fiscal, military etc”
This is the point in time where we don’t need the DOJ, or EPA or FDA or DOE or NASA or DOI or any of those other annoying & expensive elements of government. All we need is continued expansion of the empire under the iron fist of Democracy. Guided by the vision of George Bush and the will of G*D, we shall assume our rightful place as head of all nations, leader of all men, for all millenia.
Well, that’s what the plan said at least.
looseheadprop @ 75
Well you touched on my follow up question.. After a couple of Jane posts on rumored nominees today.. It’s obvious we will have only a tiny shot at appointing a Comey type, if at all possible.
What are your thoughts on who we might suggest D’s get out in front and propose or support?
can any of you imagine being interviewed by Monica Goodling for a job?
hell. I’d pay for such an opportunity. I figure the most challenging thing would be to time my “answers” to the precise moment she was taking a drink of water…
Or seeing if I could make her cry.
James @ 59
Right you are and don’t forget Walter Lippman and the other so-called intellectuals who ‘articulated’ this ‘theory’ of hegemony while clearly holding ‘the people’ in the greatest contempt imaginable.
looseheadprop @ 58
Yeah, and I have the inkling that they have intentionally planted a lot of Regent type seed pods that are not necessarily going to bail out and leave just because the Bushies are out and a Democratic administration in in 2009. Give the Republicans credit for one thing, they are very good at planting seeds and being patient to grow their policies. History over the last 40 years has exhibited that quite clearly. so, with the numbers depleted severely, and a lot of the old and long timers gone, the seed pods are going to have some seniority, even with a good reconstruction effort.
A good impeachment and/or investigation into the politicizing of the DOJ would go along way toward curbing this effect. I wonder if you might not could get some of the hires disallowed if you could prove up the illegality of the hiring process that led to their employment; although that is an extreme longshot I imagine.
looseheadprop @ 70
Turning off the lights during the night game also equates to buying Joe Lieberman his current seat as chair of the Senate committee responsible for investigating the frauds perpetrated in Katrina’s wake. The public would expect Congress to have investigations if the DOJ failed, but they’re apparently sleepwalking about Joey “Bag-o-Donuts” Lieberman’s role in the lack of Senatorial investigations.
I know Waxman would do it if he wasn’t already swamped with chasing Hatch Act and other violations by DOJ and White House.
I wonder whether we shouldn’t be putting heat directly on Joe to investigate, and on Reid to yank Joe’s chairmanship since under the current circumstances, it doesn’t matter who Joe says he’s caucusing with, he’s already voting Republican.
LoudounLib @ 85
I think in any political or bureaucratic culture, people want to know where your personal loyalties lie and, one way or another, will try to ferret that info out of you.. but in Goodling’s case, it was as much about ideological purity.. alignment to the theocon/neocon agenda. In this case, her role was much closer to that of an enforcer of party and ideological loyalty, such as was commonplace in government agencies in the ex-Soviet Union or Communist China. It’s that rethug leninism a la Reed & Norquist again.
CTuttle @ 48
Nah, There was gap in the schedule and I volunteered.
I’ll tellyou a story. Last August, Someone tried to murder me. When I got home from the hospital I was in a fair amount of pain (but trying not to give in and take painkillers) and also really really tired. Te knd of tired where you can’t pay enough attention to watch TV.
So my sleep schedule was all katiwonkis nd I was often awake in the small hours of the morning waitng for dawn.
I could spend my time going through the comments, slowly.
It is often bad to be awake late late at night because everything scares you and all you problems seem magnified.
I was never alone during those nights. iwas here with you.
Since I healed up enough to return to work, I have been an early to bed person because my still healing body just needs os much sleep.
But tomorrow is a holiday, and I wanted to stay up to hang with you guys for a while.
Blub @ 86
you left out wide stance.
Blub @ 93
The thing about this that kills me the most is these people like Goodling think that what they are doing is perfectly ok. But if the shoe were on the other foot, and a dem administration were making the blatant power grab that the Bush administration is they would be screaming from the rooftops.
For snack this evening, we are going to eat through the “get out of jail free” card that the republicans THINK they have.
{{{ lhp }}} thank you!
madmommy @ 53
Ha! A kindred spirit! Sounds like my four years of undergrad (which I managed to squeeze into five) and years two and three of law school.
Year three - I had a professor ask me “Who are you”? when I showed up to take the final.
Loo Hoo. @ 54
(blushing realy realy pink)
looseheadprop @ 82
In other words, nobody has called her and asked her point blank: Were you asked to step aside by anybody in the USAG’s or White House staffs’ offices?
And nobody asked, Did anyone mention Rove’s name in such a request? Did anyone ever mention Rove in regards to your position or your investigations?
Oh LHP I am so sorry that happened. And so glad for this community which is here for all of us late at night.
Blub @ 55
Oh they are, I get asked all the time
wanna dance?
The DOJ imposes a kind of regulation. This is antithetical to the Ayn Rand invisible hand job theory of markets. So we have a society in which more money is spent to advertize v**gra and other drugs than is spent to enfore the law. Nuts such as Kristol and Bennett probably see the DOJ as impinging on the rights of true Americans.
(MOD NOTE: *edited to allow through filters)
Loo Hoo. @ 84
A Heisman Candidate, Colt Brennan, last nite’s performance: 416 yds, 6TD’s, 34-40 passing, in the First Half! The second-stringer started the second half!!! 8-)
{{{{looseheadprop}}}}
LHP, did you see that you were nominated for AG a few threads ago?
Rayne @ 62
I answered that question above, but somehow managed to imbed my own answer inside a blockquote.
I am sucha fumble fingers!
jayt @ 99
Sadly that was the end of college for me. Married two completely useless wstes of oxygen, found #3, a keeper, and did the mommy thing. My 6 year old asked me the other day if I went to college, and why didn’t I finish. I told him I wish I had and that I hoped he would, no matter what he wants to do in life. Today he is determined to be a palentologist. Tomorrow, who knows?
TexBetsy @ 68
OMG - how cool is that? What are you going to do with all that luxury?
Nuts such as Kristol and Bennett probably see the DOJ as over regulation of the society. They prefer the invisible hand job of Ayn Rand on US attorneys. Justice to them is an impingement on their holy neo con rights.
gotta run, some municipal employees like myself have to work tomorrow…good night all!
Just for LHP — your own baseball snack. Feel free to shut the lights if you don’t like the ump. Or even if you don’t like the other team.
spinoza, I freed your original comment - you used a drug name that we get lots of spam about. Refresh the page and it is there :)
looseheadprop @ 108
Heh. After the tangle you’ve survived, you’re more than entitled!!
looseheadprop @ 94
Wow, LHP! That totally sux, you’re no longer under that threat are you? The fear certainly takes a lot of time to overcome…!!! 8-(
LHP—
You know, I have found a healing body is like a teenager in its need for sleep.
(((LHP)))
spinoza @ 111
I think it’s much greater than that. The Bushies wanted to use the entire government in service to the `pug party. DOJ was just one more brick in the wall between the administration and the rest of the country.
LHP, you are awesome. One of the greats at FDL.
DOJ–drowned old justice.
((((lhp))))
glad you are with us and with your family
TexBetsy @ 102
I wish to add my wishes too and say I am glad to hear you’re healing.
At least parts of the USDA are being hollowed out. The USDA is a huge department.
spinoza, I freed your original comment - you used a drug name that we get lots of spam about. Refresh the page and it is there :)
Yeah, thanks. I rewrote it thinking I had stuck a fork in my computer and done something wrong.
just dropping in at the bottom here, haven’t read through all the comments. but man, in hindsight this is a perfectly logical outcome of drowning the gov’t in a bathtub.
{{{{lhp}}}} from me as well.
TexBetsy @ 108
And to head up the next Truth and Reconciliation Commission..)
((((((LHP))))))
peanutbutter @ 125
If they’d just drowned in the bathtub it would be a lot cleaner. Looks like they drowned it in a swamp.
LoudounLib @ 112
Nite, LL!!!
montag @ 118
yep. exactly. And this admin was not (and is not) above using their bricks to beat their enemies with, once they got them safely under their boot. I’m sure these people had no qualms about using the entire DOJ as a machine for oppositional research.. and oppositional prosecution (well, persecution, in this case)
Goodnight all, to bed for me.
spinoza @ 124
Sticking the computer with a fork is wrong? Jeebus, I knew I should have read the manual.
masaccio @ 78
This of how disillusioning it was. The day I first walked into he US Attorney’s Office, I had very very high expectaions and kept telling myself to “calm down”.
I figured there wa no reality that could match my pent up expectations. I was right. but not in the way that sounds.
It was SOOO much better than I ever could have dreamed.
If you are not motivated by money, and you don’t mind working really long hours, it really is heaven on earth for lawyers.
night LL and madmom
looseheadprop @ 109
looseheadprop - your imbed @ is fixed. Refresh anytime.
montag @ 118
This is key. The entire administration of Bush 43 has been one long attempt to turn the Republican Party into the State.
Party=State.
1933, anyone?
Alicia @ 110
SLEEP, eat chips between meals, go out to meals with friends, hang out with y’all!
madmommy @ 130
G’nite, MM!!!
Fern @ 128
I’m thinking more like one of those portable outhouses they use on construction jobs…
In my scandals list research I have come many departments, agencies, and commissions. Everywhere the story is the same. If an organization has a particular purpose, Bush and company find the people must opposed to that purpose and put them to run it, straight into the ground.
RonD @ 135
And don’t forget the corporatism. Corporate Bucks=Party=State…it rings even more familiar, doesn’t it?
Note: I never once said that this administration is like the Nazis. Even though they are.
EvilDrPuma @ 140
More like Mussolini’s Italy.
LoudounLib @ 113
G’nite Lou, happy time-and-a-half!
TexBetsy @ 79
Rebuilding?
I hope it begins with the new admin in 2009. The only way it could begin sooner would be if Congress got off it’s duff and forced someone inspirational (think FItz or Comey) inthe AG slot and that person was willing to through some sharp elbows to fight to get the Dpet. back in shape.
My greater fear is that we elect some Dem who thinks a crippled DOj is a good thing, or who doesn “get” is and uderstand that this is a crisis.
if we don’t get folks who remeber how it’s supposed to be back into DOJ soon so they can re-train the Goodling hatchlings and properly hire and train the next waves of new layers coming in,
the “culture” of DOJ will be laost forever.
EvilDrPuma @ 140
Unfortunately, a lot of these tactics predated the Nazis by millenia. Sulla used a lot of the same tactics.. so did Caesar. Rove was a student of that period, I think
Hugh @ 139
That, Hugh, is an understatement…!!!
TexBetsy @ 141
More directly, maybe. But let’s not sell Bush short. Ethnic cleansing is still well within his potential.
Lanny Davis has emailed a reply to me, again! I have replied the best I could. I’d like to post the whole conversation we’ve been having all day. Maybe I should wait until tomorrow to post the whole conversation? Obviously, he’s talking to me and putting forth his argument in a private email to me, for some reason. Help!
TexBetsy @ 142
Wish Amtrack would get a clue.
EvilDrPuma @ 147
New Orleans.
TexBetsy @ 137
Enjoy, darlin’ - if you’re anything like me, those moments are precious and few (although we adore our young ones!)
LHP - Whoa and wow on the murder attempt bit. My sincere condolences. I hope that it was not in relation to your job, that would be unsettling. Well, ok, that is a kind of stupid thing to say; it would be unsettling under any circumstance; but could be extra mentally taxing if it was linked to your work as an attorney.
LHP - Thank you for sharing many things with us, but especially your courage and your humanity …
EvilDrPuma @ 147
Yes it is, and not surprisingly given his family’s interest in eugenics.
OMG, LHP. How scary that must have been. I cannot imagine. Was the murder attempt related to your work as a prosecutor? I’m going to go back and read a bit, so if you’ve already answered this, I’ll see it. (If you even want to answer.)
Big Hugs.
Y’all do know that if you don’t eat your dessert and thank Aunt Betsy properly, that there will be no snack during late night. Do we understand each other?
Suzanne @ 150
Iraq.
Suzanne @ 149
Yup. He’s trying, he really is.
TexBetsy @ 141
Well, both took cues from one another. Until Hitler decided he wanted Italy, too.
What’s common to Mussolini’s Italy and today, here, is the bullshit and the propaganda. Everybody, even today, repeats the old line, “well, Mussolini made the trains run on time.”
He didn’t make the trains run on time. But, his thugs would hurt you if you said in public that he didn’t.
Amazing how bullshit flies and truth dies.
Is it safe to jump in?
I went outside a while ago to feed the cat, who’s afraid of the new dog and tried to get him to come in out of the 100 degree heat. The dog ran out and raced down the street. Then my whack-job neighbor came out and was Screaming, Swearing at my dog. Brilliant man. The mister finally got the dog on his leash and brought him in.
I peeked in here, but people were yelling here too so I went into my bedroom to attach the ants on my headboard and night stand. I think I’m finally winning that battle.
So, ahhh. I feel better.
(but I really don’t want to hear yelling, ok? :)
EvilDrPuma @ 141
I forget. Isnt’ this something like Ciceronian ellipsis?: I will not call Bush a crook, a fool, and a coward, though all men know him to be these things.
TexBetsy @ 141
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it represents a merger of State and corporate power.”
-Benito Mussolini
Eureka Springs @ 88
My personal fantasy? Comey for AG for the remainder of this admin and PatFitz for AG under the next President.
But I have a vivid imagination. Shrub would be insane to do it and the congress is jsut not gonna shotgun wedding him.
More’s the pity
Alicia @ 150
I definitely adore my son, but I was thrilled when he went back to school and got out of the house. Those last two weeks were not easy.
itwasntme @ 148
Tain’t nuthin’ private about the innertoobz.
sorry aunt petunia — err betsy — my mouth was fulla cake and i forgot my manners.
thank you aunt betsy
TexBetsy @ 155
Yes, ma’am.
(wipes mouth)
Thank you, Aunt Betsy, Ma’am!
FunnyD
itwasntme @ 147
Didja ask him what I suggested?
TexBetsy @ 155
Yes’m…!!!
It seems like the ‘Justice’ (code for ‘just us Repubs’) Department is just the tip of the iceberg - I’ll bet if you root around in any gov’t department, you’ll find the same thing, a la Lurita Doan - our tax dollars at work busily electing Republicans.
Oh Demi, come sit here in the jacuzzi. Suzanne has a little something hidden behind that rock.
OK, I’m gonna try posting the entire conversation here in a minute.
montag @ 167
What did you suggest…asking him how many concussions he’d suffered in the last year?
montag @ 159
Sigh. Guess the Coast Starlighter never will run on time.
Rayne @ 92
Exactly!
CTuttle @ 106
Is this your son, CTuttle?
TexBetsy @ 156
*big gulps*
*munch munch*
THANK YOU AUNT BETSY!
:-)
I missed cake!?!!??
ccmask — I posted your list of Republican scandals, along with James’s additions. If anyone else wants to add, just let me know.
TexBetsy @ 171
Yay! Sitting with the desert queen herself. Is it cake behind the rock? psssst. don’t tell the ants.
(((FunnyD))) How’re ya doing? It’s been awhile…!!!
demi @ 180
There can’t be any ants over there. They’re all over HERE. *grump*
Great cake, Betsy, but wasn’t there supposed to be a hacksaw in here somewhere?
kirk murphy @ 131
I’m pretty sure the correct computer etiquette involves using a salad fork….
Wow.. that’s serious.. Sorry I just joined up.. Howdy to Betsy.. Demi.. and everyone else I don’t know yet!
Slightly off topic - although hollowing out DOJ is all about election rigging…
With the current drive in California to change electoral vote distribution, might it not be worthwhile to push the other way?
How many states can change their Electoral vote distribution with with a ballot initiative? How many Red states? If California can be split, can’t Texas?
On that note, everyone seems to agree the problem with the California initiative is that it is just California, not nationwide. Well, how many states could be changed before the 2008 election?
wangdangdoodle @ 177
No, you missed 2 cakes! One with a get-out-of-jail free card and the other one a baseball stadium for LHP, who might share if ya ask her nice.
Loo Hoo. @ 175
Hah! I could only dream, he’s destined to be a line man, either side!!!
jayt @ 184
Dunno about you: I generally fork my processes, not my computers ;-)
LHP,
You can’t be any less techy than me, I mean I. I keep putting off working on my FaceBook. Maybe tomorrow. I’ve copied everyone’s notes on how to, but, I, uh, keep putting it off.
TexBetsy @ 108
No! Which thread?
I have been wrestling with wordpress most of this evening and did nto read the threads.
Smgumby @ 185
Texas had 4 blue out of 248 counties last time. Not a problem here.
Hey Betsy.. “Current list of repuglican scandals” I call them dogs too.. but pugs? They’re kinda cute..!
NoriegaBlog - Happy Sunday dude!
EvilDrPuma @ 172
No, but, if he’s still defending his general cheesedickery, I suppose I should have.
If I recall correctly, it’s buried down in the previous thread, when you asked for help after his second message.
More or less: why is he making recommendations at all? Second, why is he recommending someone who was integral to a conspiracy to destroy his erstwhile boss, and third, reminding him of Nixon’s attempts to fudge the court after Abe Fortis stepped down. First, one stinker (Haynesworth), then another, bigger, stinker, Carswell, and only after Nixon figured out that he wasn’t getting anyone too extreme on the court, that’s when he nominated Harry Blackmun.
I.e., pound the boy king with rejected appointments until he comes around. Why wasn’t Lanny Davis suggesting that?
Cheers.
NoriegaBlog @ 185
Good evening, young man.
newtonusr @ 194
Thanks! What’s new?? Any BBQ’s.. I heard cake somewhere!
CTuttle @ 180
Hey, CT
Thanks for the welcome back. I’ve been lurking without doing much commenting. Also been trying not to stay up until all hours hitting the refresh button…But I gotta say, I do miss the Late Nite crowd!
Tonight, I’ve got until the Imitrex kicks in, then it’s off to bed.
FunnyD
TexBetsy @ 156
Thanks, Aunt Betsy - it’s Labor Day Weekend and I’m splurging till the kids go back to school Wednesday. Yay cake!
TexBetsy @ 114
How cool wa that?
I love to back theme caks. And am a devoted “Ace of Cakes” watcher —-and all those cake baking competitons on the food network!
TexBetsy @ 192
Wonderful example then! How many electoral votes does Texas get? The appeal of this is that it is not a liberal/conservative issue. Anyone can see the absurdity of the Electoral College in this day and age.
Finished my nightly cup of chai, I’m off to bed. Go easy on looseheadprop for her first Late Nite double header, ‘Pups!
Smgumby @ 186
Well, I’d say there are two problems with the initiative. One is, of course, that it’s only California (well CA, and North Carolina which curiously has exactly the same issue, but the parties reversed, going on now). The second is that the basis is NOT on populr vote percentages, but on congressional districts. Think for a moment what a general nightmare gerrymandering districts is. Now consider what it would be with electoral votes hanging on them. Actually that gives rise to a third issue: some states will have a considerable imbalance between number of electoral votes and congressional districts so how would that even be resolved across the board?
Best scenario would be for each state to pledge to switch to vote-percentage basis and for it to take effect once a certain number have done so. Don’t know how likely that is.
itwasntme @ 148
I’d love to read it if it’s okay with LHP.
TexBetsy @ 192
wow.. Tom Delay’s people left us 4 whole counties after they gerrymandered the state. I’m almost disappointed in him ;P
Just checked the ants. Except for a few straglers, I think they all went to PB’s place. Thanks PB!
Here’s my conversation with Lanny Davis. Sorry everybody, start from the bottom up to read the messages!
If this were a Democratic president with a Republican legislature, I would expect Republicans to fight like hell for a candidate that they thought would be best for them, and yes, it would get my dander up. Frankly, as a 61 year-old woman, I think an electorate with their dander up is a great thing.
But I think the situation here is different from just any president appointing his choice of AG. Mr. Bush is replacing a discredited, possibly criminally discredited, AG. I think, since the previous AG was “iffy” about constitutional law and compliant with politicizing the Justice Department, that it is our duty as citizens to push as hard as we can for a proven non-partisan, not another loyal Bushie.
I have no doubt that Mr. Olson is a better choice than Mr. Chertoff, but Mr. Olson is far from the best choice for our country, and that’s what I care about. Mr. Bush will certainly nominate whom he wants, but I don’t think he should get his nominee without a rousing fight, since he has proved he cannot be trusted to have respect for the Constitution and rule of law.
I am delighted to be having this conversation with you, and respect you for the gentleman you obviously are. I ask you to reconsider your public support for Mr. Olson, and suggest (very officiously) that it might be time to take off your gentleman’s jacket and don some boxing gloves and stand in the corner with the progressives of your party.
(signed my name)
PS It’s not the 30-somethings I worry about, but the 70-somethings with pacemakers who imagine they are not part of the executive branch of government.
On Sep 2, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Davis, Lanny J. wrote:
Thanks for your reply. Please tell me if this were President Clinton and there were a Republican Senate if the Republican Senate insisted — “fought like Hell — to force President Clinton to appoint an Attorney General they wanted him to appoint, rather than the one he wanted to. If you can honestly tell me that would not have bothered you, then at least you are being intellectually consistent. But if you say, “oh, but that would be different,” you are using a double standard - which has become the bane of both parties. President Bush will appoint whom he wants - not whom the Democratic Senate wants. Among choices on President Bush’s list, such as Michael Chertoff of DHS, Olson is, in my opinion, superior. Thanks for sharing your respectful opinion. Lanny Davis
—– Original Message —– From: itwasntme To: Davis, Lanny J. Sent: Sun Sep 02 19:29:15 2007 Subject: Re: Olson Thanks for your reply. I objected to Ted Olson principally because I doubt his capacity to be impartial and “above politics”. I understand that Mr. Olson was key to something referred to as the “Arkansas Project.” This was financed by one Mr. Scaife, and was highly active in targeting President and Mrs. Clinton, and about which you yourself said, I believe, that Scaife was “using it (his money) to destroy a president of the US.” I realize you wish to give the President the person of his choice as AG, as has been done customarily in the past. It is the gentlemanly things to do, but since the Democrats won the legislature in 2006, I personally think it is time to fight like hell for someone who has demonstrated he/she can be genuinely above partisan politics, like maybe James B. Comey or David Iglesias. Thanks for your attention. (signed my name)
On Sep 2, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Davis, Lanny J. wrote: Sorry for typos email on Blackberry. I meant that if you have a conservative Republican that you prefer a conservative Republican President to appoint other than Ted Olson, you are entitled to your opinion. But you didn’t name anyone.
—– Original Message —– From: Davis, Lanny J. to: itwasntme Sent: Sun Sep 02 16:55:55 2007 Subject: Re: Olson You apprently don’t think it’s necessary to explain your opinion - it’s curious why you chose to email me. If you have a better conservative Republican that a conservative Republcian whom you prefer President Bush to appoint - since he is still, after all, the President - you are entitled to your opinion. But I don’t–and I know Olson as a man of independence who won’t let a 30-something in the White House infringe on the DOJ independence. Of course I disagree with him on most things - after all, I am a liberal Democrat. But last time I looked, we lost the 2004 election. Lanny Davis —– Original
Message —– From: itwasntme To: Davis, Lanny J. Sent: Sun Sep 02 16:31:27 2007 Subject: Olson Dear Mr. Davis, Pushing Olson as an acceptable AG was not a good thing to do. (signed my name)
NoriegaBlog @ 192
Oh, I just think of ‘em as re-PUG-nant, then the canines don’t have to be offended.
FunnyD
kirk murphy @ 132
My kindred spirits!
LHP, in view of the state of the DOJ, would it not be appropriate for an incoming Admin to just blanket-fire all political appointees at the DOJ hired after 2001, and start with a clean slate? Or at least make them all re-apply for their jobs, like Mueller did when he went to LA?
kirk murphy @ 157
Well, now here you can add religion. Give me that ol’time…
EvilDrPuma @ 147
actually, the anti-Mexican undocumented worker crackdown going on now is just about ethnic cleansing… family detention camps, mass arrest raids, people being pulled off mass transit on account of their skin color alone. It’s insane.
demi @ 206
Uh. You’re welcome. I think.
Funnydiva2002 @ 197
Hopefully, not to soon…!!!
Blub @ 205
A question - what ever happened with that, legal-wise?
Hugh @ 140
I don’t know if I have ever told you this, but “hugh’s list” is a particular favorite of mine.
There is no “memeory hole” with you around.
RonD @ 209
That’s what generally happens to political appointees, anyway. What is more worrisome are the career hires who are there as long as they don’t screw up.
itwasntme @ 207
What a wonderful discussion! My congressman has yet to return an email!
“Prosecutions are down overall, with large drops in categories such as drugs, violent crime and white-collar offenses.”
Um, what other categories ARE there? The only other type of crime I can think of is traffic violations. So the bad guys are all getting away, but the rest of us are still getting parking tickets. Oy.
TexBetsy @ 188
You gonna eat that, LHP?
;)
Smgumby @ 218
I just get pompous form letters back :-P And nothing on the emails sent during August so far.
pb, those that didn’t head to your place headed to mine - dayam forking brazen hussy ants all over the place no matter what i do.
itwasntme @ 148
The next thread is an open thread. You can put it there and then post a link to it in new threads tomorrow.
This way it’s only a teensy OT
montag, I didn’t know that. I always assumed that Mussolini always did make the trains run on time. (and what transportation system has had systemic problems running on time anyway?)
Are you a history major with emphasis on Italian history?
I love Italy.
itwasntme @ 206
It reads to me like Lanny’s essential problem is a failure to understand that cabinet positions don’t have to be about pure party hackery just because the GOP wants them to be.
My stance remains unchanged. The committee should keep serving up nominees extra crispy until Bush gets the message and starts acting in the public interest instead of his own.
Frank Probst @ 219
perhaps there’s a “political and religious offenses” category we’re not really aware of :P
Alicia @ 214
First they decided not to accept it for review until after the 2004 election, then they decided it’s now OK to re-district at times that are not right after the census.
Suzanne @ 222
Over the last few days they’ve moved from hitting obvious targets (anything with food, even though I’m scrupulous about washing up), then the trashcan (so it’s going out twice a day to avoid any kind of piling up). I get home this evening, and they’ve swarmed a little cactus plant on the window sill. WTF? I put the poor plant outside, but gah!
looseheadprop @ 216
For one of my favorite repositories of the unquiet, let me present:
The Memory Hole
Frank Probst @ 218
Burglary. Vandalism. Other property crimes.
bmaz @ 152
No connection to my work as far as anyone can tell. Just your garden variety psycho sexual serial killer. 1/2 hour after he faile dto kill me, he killed another woman. Beheaded her, cut the rest of her up into chum and then did kinky things with the severed head.
I just want him to go to prison forever.
Blub @ 205
I don’t think he was expecting the 2008 Republican front-runners to be a Massachusetts Mormon and a cross-dressing New Yorker. Texas will still be red in 2008, but you won’t see the blow-out that you did in 2004.
Suzanne @ 222
It’s the heat - they’re thirsty as h*ll.
looseheadprop @ 230
Dear God.
EvilDrPuma @ 233
Thank God you’re ok.
peanutbutter @ 220
Dang, I feel spoiled, I had a 15 min one-on-one conversation and regular replies back from my Rep, and one of my Senators answers all my queries, either on-line and over the telephone!!! ;-)
Loo Hoo. @ 223
No. Just confirmed by people over the years who lived in Italy in the `30s.
Hugh @ 161
Whoa Hugh,
Cicero? This is why I love this place. How many blogs have comentors erudite enough to refence Cicero?
Diggin’ it.
TexBetsy @ 227
How mad does that make me every time they retroactively un-criminalize their crimes? Arrrrrgh!~
TexBetsy @ 234
Of course. I’m feeling just a bit emptied out by the whole story…not that that can possibly match LHP’s feelings on the matter.
looseheadprop @ 216
Thanks, much appreciated.
TexBetsy @ 230
Car theft? When my car was stolen in Houston, the cops didn’t even come out. They just took a report over the phone.
(In fairness, my car was found abandoned a week later. But then they never followed up on the credit card receipts and airline boarding passes I found in the car, either, despite my statement of, “You know, this isn’t my stuff. Perhaps these people know who’s been joyriding in my car all week.”)
Funnydiva2002 @ 197
FunnyD,
There’s an old antidepressant that really works for me as a migraine preventative. El*vil. Huge help. Hope you feel better.
looseheadprop @ 231
Okay, that is so worse than ants.
I had a neighbor/friend once who was Almost Raped and Killed. Serial guy. She started screaming and hitting him and he ran. Stayed up with her all night. The next day a bunch of us totally detailed her apartment.
Maybe not OT at all.
From Volkogonov’s Stalin:
[T[he opposition as a rule only expressed intellectual differences, different points of view and alternatives. Stalin, however, strove to make the terms ‘opposition’ and ‘faction’ synonymous with hostility.
Stalin was innately secretive, and henceforth the rubber stamp of secrecy would appear on all manner of files and even basic documents….turning routine correspondence and basic information into secrets became a way of life. No one seems to have thought that imposing excessive secrecy on state and social life would nourish the soil for corruption. IN the center of all the secrets stood Stalin himself, reacting personally to the constant flow of information.
———————————————–
The only difference with this crew and Stalin’s retinue is that they knew exactly the extent of the corruption they would be able to implement and profit from thanks to their penchant for secrecy.
TexBetsy @ 188
Cake for everybody! Cause Betsy was generous to bring so much
looseheadprop @ 230
A sick twisted b*stard! Has he gone to trial yet?
looseheadprop @ 231
Holy crap. If they have those facts locked up, that shouldn’t be an issue one would hope. This is one guy that I wish was in the Texas criminal justice system. Never thought I would have occasion to say that….
But here is the one Suzanne was hiding in the hot tub. (OK it is the hot tub.)
CTuttle,
Was it Sen. Inouye who you talked to? I met him when I was a child and thought he was so nice.
TexBetsy @ 249
dang it, tex, that is my secret hidey hole cake. now i gotta find a new hidey hole for my stash.
Sorry for my ignorance.. LHP, are you a Federal prosecutor?
TexBetsy @ 248
Hmmph, bogarting, eh, Suz???
Margot @ 242
Thanks, Margot. I do feel better–I think I got it early enough. Some headaches can be “toughed out” and some just can’t. I’m to a point where I prefer not to mess around with anything that feels vascular. At least I can take Imitrex and it works for me.
FunnyD
‘Ciceronian ellipsis?’ Sounds like a new pasta from Chef Boy-Ar-Dee!
demi @ 196
Excuse me, demi. Noriega could be 95 years old.
How’s the girlscout?!
Alicia @ 254
I am not saying that it has anything in common with macaroni, rotelli, or fettucine, although some irresponsible parties might thus insinuate.
james @ 244
Does Cheney classifying press releases sound familiar in the above context?
I thought it might.
Loo Hoo. @ 255
He told us last night he’s in his 20’s.
(((FunnyD)))
Margot @ 249
Actually, it’s Akaka I was referring to, but, I’ve met him too, a good man, he’s in Ken Burn’s new special on WWII coming up…!!!
RonD @ 210
It’s not just the political appointees. Goodling et al were litmus tesitng the non political employees –the ones who would grow up to be career employees.
After 3 years servive, they are very hard to fire.
These or the “body snatcher pods” that have been planted in DOJ
Loo Hoo. @ 256
I’m pretty good. The other night, Noriega said he was 24.
Suzanne @ 7
I always loves me a LHP front page! I regard it as a special treat, preferable to our usual Late Night fare.
And I am glad to see this headlined in the MSM.
But what is going on here? I figure that some of the prosecutions are starved for funds because the WH doesn’t like ‘em. But all of the vacant positions? Is the message, “Damn, if we can’t get the prosecutions we want, then we won’t have any prosecutions at all?” In other words, is the starvation *intentional,* or is it just an accidental consequence of so many unfilled positions?
Bob in HI
Oops, sorry LHP! I posted before I read your request to post in next thread. I’ll do that.
EvilDrPuma @ 257
Can only imagine the shape of that particular pasta…
Alicia @ 265
I’ve had to read a bit of Cicero. In the Latin. I suspect the pasta in question would be something like an ultralong, intricately knotted spaghetti.
Alicia @ 265
Gordian Knot-shaped?
FunnyD
Alicia @ 265
It’s linguine in the form of a Mobius strip…. :)
demi @ 244
Fighting back is key. Hey, your gonna die anyway, right? You got nuthin’ to lose by fighting back.
Alicia @ 265
Dot’s funny!
Dayam, Ya’ll that’s some funky pasta being ladled out…!!!
itwasntme
Excellent work! Thanks so much, you speak for me. I still can’t believe he got back to you so quickly and had a conversation. I will give him credit for that. Were you the only one in town today for him? It seems strange that you would get replies directly from him and not a staffer.
Didn’t this used to be called meddling in the affairs of another nation?
US says draft Norwegian Terror Law not strong enough.
CTuttle @ 247
trial should start this month.
From Mondays WaPo, citing info from new book on Bush:
“Karl Rove told George W. Bush before the 2000 election that it was a bad idea to name Richard B. Cheney as his running mate, and Rove later raised objections to the nomination of Harriet E. Miers to the Supreme Court, according to a new book on the Bush presidency.
In “Dead Certain: The Presidency of George Bush,” journalist Robert Draper writes that Rove told Bush he should not tap Cheney for the Republican ticket: “Selecting Daddy’s top foreign-policy guru ran counter to message. It was worse than a safe pick — it was needy.” But Bush did not care — he was comfortable with Cheney and “saw no harm in giving his VP unprecedented run of the place.”
When Rove, President Bush’s top political adviser, expressed concerns about the Miers selection, he was “shouted down” and subsequently muted his objections, Draper writes, while other advisers did not realize the outcry the nomination would cause within the president’s conservative political base.
It was John G. Roberts Jr., now the chief justice of the United States, who suggested Miers to Bush as a possible Supreme Court justice, according to the book. Miers, the White House counsel and a Bush loyalist from Texas, did not want the job, but Bush and first lady Laura Bush prevailed on her to accept the nomination, Draper writes.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....v=hcmodule
exactly right, lhp. it doesn’t matter what ya do - and you did it right because you survived.
looseheadprop @ 269
It seems you even gained by it. And so did we.
looseheadprop @ 270
Word. Had to jump out of a moving vehicle myself.
Ok, so indulge me a tinfoil-hat moment:
Why would one undertake the destruction of the DOJ by stocking it with hacks and driving out the pros? What point might one wish to make?
The same point as always: Government doesn’t work. Obviously, there should be private police forces and justice systems that can subcontract the functions.
(removing tinfoil hat but keeping it handy)
OT
Dissent in the White House
From the WaPo about a new book out called “Dead Certain” by journalist Robert Draper. Says Roberts suggested Miers for the Supreme Court.
(Oops, sorry, bmaz, you had it first!)
Book Tells Of Dissent In Bush’s Inner Circle
White House Granted Author Unusual Access
link
More bright objects from WaPo?
montag @ 269
I thought of that , but I’m thinking it’s three little pasta dots…
Think Peace Fresno…
Thanks James.
newtonusr @ 284
The horror!
***sigh***
RonD @ 279
Maybe. But if so, they didn’t exactly do the job without leaving fingerprints….
newtonusr @ 283
What an idiot.
Alicia @ 282
OK, considering the “dot’s funny” comment, I’m clearly missing some sort of cultural reference here. Can someone help me out?
FunnyD
Yeah, I came in thattaway…
james @ 275
Well, the object of empire is remake the entire world in one’s own image. If the Norwegians aren’t scared enough, it’s Bush’s job to make them sufficiently scared.
On that general subject, someone who worked for me had some relatives from France visiting, and sightseeing. One, on a hotel room television, heard Bush described on Fox as “the leader of the free world,” burst out laughing and said, “that’s absurd. There’s no leader of the free world.”
Gotta love the French. :)
There are few things that scare me more than privatized Justice system functions.
looseheadprop @ 262
If we can’t fire them, maybe we can have them take loyalty oaths. Say… to the constitution?
/snark
RonD @ 290
Amen, my homie.
RonD @ 279
I see Bush as wanting this country run like the Cali cartel people want to run things. They don’t want a lot of upstanding citizens who actually follow the law! That would get in their way. They want loyal subservient toadies who believe in the code of silence and just wanna live. Period.
Peace Fresno
The real terrorists!
looseheadprop @ 238
Cicero cartoon style, real music.
RonD @ 289
If my sister-in-law must be in jail somewhere, I can at least be grateful that it is a state-run jail and seems reasonably well run.
james @ 275
What’s Norwegian for “Go fuck yourself!”? It doesn’t sound like our Nordic friends were terribly impressed with our meddling. I notice that our Ambassador’s resume says nothing about any knowledge of Norway. Question: Do we even TRY to get ambassadors that know anything about the country they’re going to?
Blub @ 252
Not any more. Long, long ago
Frank Probst @ 297
Since they’re mostly composed of Bush’s Pioneers and Rangers, I don’t think that’s even a minor prerequisite, these days.
It’s always that way, just much worse with the Bushies, as with most things governmental….
Hugh @ 161
Now you’ve got me all interested in Cicero and I’m going to have to go study and stuff.
Funnydiva2002 @ 288
Original comment was in reference to a Cicerian ellipses… and an ellipses is three dots, just like I did above. Someone said “cicerian” sounded like some type of pasta and it went off from there.
Something like that.
Alicia @ 300
most of my classics knowledge comes by way of bugs and crew
bmaz @ 248
Perhaps that says something about wishing death for people that harm or kill one of our own. I have struggled with this, thinking about what I would want if someone killed one of my daughters…
Alicia @ 299
Or you could just rent Season 2 of “Rome” on DVD…
FunnyD
Frank Probst @ 296
Back in 2000, Bush couldn’t even name the leaders of most other nations that played significant roles in global affairs. How on earth do you expect him to recognize a competent ambassador to talk to them?
james @ 274
What .. they had to presumption not to suspend their civil liberties, agree to disappear and render to us for torture any of their nationals we point our finger at? How dare they?
Frank Probst @ 242
But back ca. 1980 after a flood in Hermann Park, they were quick with their citation pads. I had to abandon my car because the engine had flooded out (the water was over my exhaust pipe). I pushed the car to the side of the road, but when I returned to get it the next day, I had been ticketed for parking in the wrong direction on a one-way street! Bastards.
Bob in HI
“lex mala, lex nulla”
A bad law is no law
I think Cicero said that.
If he didn’t, he should have.
peanutbutter @ 300
I got that part. Just can’t figure out why the “dots”, that’s all.
FunnyD
Loo Hoo, I would WANT them to die, but the decision shouldn’t be made by the victims or their families.
Suzanne @ 302
You could do worse than Bugs and crew…plenty to learn there!
RonD @ 308
Thomas Aquinas, I think.
RonD @ 307
Inter arma enim silent leges: “For in time of war, the laws are silent.” Of course, Cicero didn’t really intend that Bushco apply the principle the way they have….
Woo hoo, zedelicious…!!!
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Loo Hoo. @ 32
Happens all the time in the government. Sometimes it’s stupidity, sometimes it’s just crazy budgeting decisions.
A good friend of mine was lead counsel for the Commissioner in a very important case in the Tax Court about 10 years ago. This was an amazingly document-intensive case, involving a nifty little scheme that, if it worked, allowed Canadian parent companies with U.S. subsidiaries to take advantage of a difference between U.S. and Canadian tax laws to claim deductions in both countries for the same expense. Big, big dollars involved.
There were over 4,000 exhibits that needed to be assembled into a stipulation of facts to be submitted to the court at the beginning of the trial.
Six weeks before the scheduled trial date, my friend gets a call from a bean-counter in the regional office, saying that his paralegal can’t work any more overtime for the rest of the fiscal year.
I kid you not. Welcome to the life of a Government lawyer.
We are being honoured with a visit by GW, for APEC. He arrives tomorrow (tuesday/aus time). The whole of inner Sydney has been fenced and/or walled. Glad I don’t live there.
They are now upstairs folks!!
New Thread upstairs.
ants
get some borax
mix it with some water (say-2 tablespoons per pint)dip a cloth into it-wring out-wipe cloth every where ant trails are-let dry-repeat every time you see an ant.
wahlah
some times you only have to do it once
other times,it takes a few goes before they get the message
peanutbutter @ 203
You mean like this?
(Spot-on about the problems, btw.)
I saw the WSJ article Friday night and gave my defense-oriented take, Cry Me A River: DOJ Hurting for Funds.
I think any lack of funds is coming from the War in Iraq and the nebulous war on terror (and busting of bumbling wannabes). The WSJ reported:
Even though I’m not seeing any decrease in the number or quality of prosecutions or of prosecution resources in my neck of the woods, I think the solution may be as simple as shifting the priorities back from anticipating terrorism to crime-fighting and bringing the prosecutors home from Iraq.
‘Bad law begets disrespect for all law.’
Allen Ginsburg
Loo Hoo. @ 303
Oh, I was not necessarily indicating I wanted this guy dead. Texas is real good at getting them tried fast and locked up for good too. I am not particularly in favor of the death penalty. Not totally on moral grounds, although that is part of it, but more on economic and certainty grounds. Due to the way, ahem, cops often do their jobs, and a lot of other factors, there are very, very few cases that I think have the requisite certainty to even consider the death penalty, even if I was fully on board with it morally. Secondly, although I don’t know the relative figures today, but for a very long time it was pretty much a lot cheaper, in terms of overall cost cost involved, to incarcerate the average capital convict than to go through all the necessary appeals and other steps required to get him to the death chamber and finished off. So it was not worth it morally or economically. Where those relative economic stats are today, I don’t know though.
looseheadprop @ 231
I want to add my belated shock and prayers to the others offered here. What a shocker! I’m so glad you survived! Your personal encounter with this beast must have been terrible enough, but then to find out what he did to the next woman must have been really traumatizing. I join in your wish for an eternal prison sentence for him.
Bob in HIlooseheadprop @ 75
What if Paul Clement is, in effect, the next AG for the rest of this year? Or longer?
Bob in HI
TexasBetsy,you are much kinder than i am
why should they be allowed to die their way out of it!
let them live the term of their natural life in a small room on refugee rations,contemplating the consequences of their own actions.
and may they live a long,long time!
looseheadprop @ 11
Maybe the author knows that s/he is going to be “Rupertized”…so it’s the last shot at something “relevant” before the layoffs begin.
itwasntme @ 207
Well, that depends on whether the acts of the recently deposed USAG and various others in the WH violated Federal laws, like the Hatch Act, etc. Even so, the DEMOCRATS won the 2006 Election…and Congress has the right and responsibility to have hearings regarding the Presidents selections and then decide upon the qualifications of them. This is the “advise and consent” clause in something called…lemme see… the CONSTITUTION!