Given that it’s Labor Day weekend let’s have a chat about labor – organized labor. If you take a look at the map on your left something may jump out at you, as it did me. Where Labor is strong – Democrats tend to win. Where Labor is weak, they don’t. In the last election the electorate split fairly evenly, but amongst the groups that stand out as having gone Democratic, one is Labor. The general election was 49/49, but union members went 64/36 Democratic/Republican.
But it isn’t just about union members voting for Dems – that’d just make unions an identity group. As Matt Stoller pointed out back in 05 Unions actively help Democratic candidates. They give money, and they give it early. They do field and GOTV, and indeed, they probably have the best field organizations in America. Kerry ate Dean’s lunch in large part because of the International Association of Fire Fighter’s (IAFF) organizers out organizing (sometimes rather brutally) the Dean machine. (More on the IAFF and their endorsement of Dodd this time around later in the article).
Unions provide organizing space, they provide media surrogates, they conduct training, they support think tanks and so on. They provide a lot of the infrastructure that keeps the party going – and that pushes the party to pursue liberal and populist policies when in office.
As union membership has declined, so have Democratic electoral results. This isn’t an accident and it isn’t something that Republicans want to see stop. Unions have been under constant assault for decades – starting with Taft-Hartley in 47 (a bill Truman, his veto overruled, called a “slave labor bill”.) Recently, and egregiously, the NLRB has moved to classify nurses as supervisory workers, which would make most of them unable to be union members and basically de-unionize hospitals. (This is a loophole from Taft-Hartley, which made supervisory workers ineligible for unionization as a way of destroying the extremely powerful foreman’s unions that existed at the time.)
Democrats have often disrespected unions, even while paying them court. NAFTA was pushed through by Bill Clinton even though labor was largely against it. Indeed, I have been told that the unions went to Clinton and said “we have a war chest of many millions. We can spend it fighting NAFTA or pushing for universal health care. Your choice.” Clinton choice NAFTA over universal health care. Time and time again so-called free trade bills (which are usually more about free flow of money, than of trade, in any case) have been pushed over the objections of labor.
Meanwhile, the presumptive next nominee, Hilary Clinton, has as her chief strategist, Mark Penn, the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, a PR firm which is noted for its vicious anti-unionization campaigns. After receiving some complaints, Penn’s response? To stop doing anti-union work, which he claimed he’d never been doing in the first place (just getting the paychecks for). Did he tell his firm to stop doing anti-union work? No. Did Clinton demote him or get rid of him? No.
But, then, why should the Clinton campaign care what labor thinks? Sure, they complained, but when neither Penn nor Clinton really did anything to deal with the underlying problem (he’s the BOSS, and he should either make the anti-union work stop entirely, or if he can’t, quit the firm, if he doesn’t believe in it), labor really did nothing.
And in most cases, that’s labor’s pattern. They, like many Democratic constituencies, seem to be suffering from a certain learned helplessness. Take the IAFF, whom I promised to come back to. They endorsed Dodd last week. Now there are two possibilities here – one is that they are endorsing Dodd just based on his stellar record of getting behind their concerns. Hey, they backed Kerry when he was at his lowest (but remember that before that he had been the presumptive front-runner, a status Dodd has never had). The less charitable possibility was suggested in a Steve Clemons post:
My theory [on the Dodd endorsement]? It’s a case of the Althusserian “absent center” with Dodd as the donut hole.
The Firefighters don’t want to make the “wrong” choice between the three candidate that can win — Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.
They like Edwards like the rest of the movement but don’t think he’s going to win, and don’t want to piss off the Hillary machine. But they also don’t want to seem paralyzed and ineffectual. They want to be players. So they pseudo-aggressively endorse someone, but don’t piss off any of the big three by picking one of them against the other two.
After Dodd drops out following Iowa or New Hampshire, they see the lay of the land and jump to the likely winner.
I’m wondering how many endorsements by the unions we’re going to see for Edwards. Of the front-runners Edwards has the most union-friendly campaign and has promised the most union friendly policies. He’s been working hard for their support since the end of the last campaign. More to the point, to win, Edwards pretty much requires union support. Edwards’ strategy has always clearly been to do well in the early states and to get the union endorsements to supplement his ground machine, since he is well aware (having witnessed it personally in ‘04) that they have the best ground machine available.
If unions really are frightened of the Hilary machine holding grudges in 09 if they win, and unions won’t endors another viable candidate as a result, then the unions have made themselves into political eunuchs. If they won’t play, they don’t need to be taken into account. Hilary will throw them the occasional bone, sure, but is unlikely, as was Bill, to pursue policies that will do more than slow the long-term decline in union membership (look at the graph above and see how unions did under Bill). And unions need a reversal of that trend, not just a few years of slower bleeding, or even a halt.
Meanwhile the deeper reason that unions don’t get the respect they should in Democratic circles (and by “should” I mean on totally pragmatic “they make us win” terms) is probably because unions get little respect from white collar workers. Two episodes stand out for me on this – the first was that long period the 90’s where techies used to disrespect unions and resist unionization because they were being paid so well because “they were smart, and, like, knowledge workers” and therefore didn’t need unions. What they didn’t realize, because everyone who gets paid well always wants to think its because they, personally, are so wonderful, is that it was just a tight labor market for people with specific skills and that as soon as that skill set became common enough, the gravy train would stall. Sure enough, in the 00’s techies took it on the chin, and companies outsourced and offshored as much of their technical functions as they could. Suddenly a Bachelors in Comp.Sci wasn’t a ticket to the gravy train any more. Techies had made the classic error of attributing to themselves (genius knowledge workers who are each individually unique flowers with a skill set that can’t easily be replicated) what was a property of the situation (new technology, moving fast, not enough early adopters with the necessary technical skill set, therefore a labor crunch in the field).
And then, of course, there was the New York City Transit Strike – and the comments, I, as a blogger defending them, received from my commenters about how they should just be grateful to have decent jobs, shut up and go back to work, because my readers didn’t have half the benefits those blue-collar transit workers did and they didn’t deserve them anyway. No one seemed to make the connection that if the transit workers were costing the economy billions of dollars every day, then the economic value of what the transit workers did must be, ummm, rather larger than they were being compensated for. What was revealed then was a lot of ugly class hatred and envy – people with BA’s who felt that if they weren’t making it, neither should be blue collar workers without a degree. Fortunately, the majority of citizens of NYC actually backed the union (despite a full court press offensive against the union) and things worked out reasonably well.
But this middle class contempt for unions, and for the sort of people that make them up, boils up so frequently that I’ve come to believe it’s a deep malaise in the American middle class psyche. I’m not entirely sure why it exists, other than as manifestation of the very human emotion of envy, but it definitely exists. And as the middle and upper classes (who never liked unions to begin with) have become the powers in the Democratic party (try and get started in politics and you will quickly find that the easy route – internships – is mostly only available to you if mommy and daddy can afford to support you while you work for nothing) a fundamental misunderstanding, and often, outright contempt, for working people has taken hold (again, at the end of the day… remember all those “free” trade bills, passed by Democrats despite Labor’s strenuous objections).
Where unions are strong, Democrats win. But Democrats seem to have forgotten that at a very fundamental level and have allowed unions to sicken till they are but a pale shadow of what they once were. If Democrats want to win, they need to rectify that. If unions want their strength back, they need to hold Democrats to policies that aid unions, knowing that in so doing they are serving both sides. And the middle and upper classes that run the Democratic party need to get over their disdain for unions and recognize who their real friends are – even if only for hard-headed pragmatic reasons. There will be no new permanent Democratic majority like the one that ruled most of the post-war period, until the unions recover.
So this Labor Day Weekend I wish Labor nothing but the best. May a thousand unions certify and in so doing may Democrats sweep into office across the land.
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Ian!
heyyyyyy nowwwww
ahh great point IAN!
is dodd even campaigning in iowa? anyway i think edwards will surprise us all and pull an iowa win…
Ian, awesome, meaty post!!!
Hi Ian!
hey pups.. where y’all at?????? hey AinA let downstairs know there’s a new thread…. blushing juslin’s not sure how to do it yet…….
Unions don’t have the power they had in 1960.
Money has power today.
Hi folks!
man…. how soon people forget the bridge that brought them across… had it not been for unions there’d be no middle class or safe working spaces – recent accidents notwithstanding….
Jonathan @ 8
See, with all due respect, this is a mistake that is made too often. What matters is votes, and whether you can deliver them. Money is a way to get votes, but it’s not the only way. As the air war (media bombardment) declines in importance, the ground war has become more important – and it is the ground war that unions are the masters of – organizing is one person, one group, at a time.
The Christian right has power all out of proportion to the ‘money’ they give because they deliver votes and a ground machine to the Republicans. (And yes, they did get what really matters to them – Scalia and Roberts.)
and how has non-union jobs worked for the average american – just try to live on non-union wages…
Taft-Hartley, was clearly the start of the demise of Labor…!!! 8-(
Ian at 11
I wish I could agree with you when you say, what matters is votes.
Both parties in the U.S., with tremendous financial backing, have learned how to acquire votes.
americans vote against their self interest b/c repugs appeal to their fear instincts plus they use lots of “coded” language… americans seem to have lost reasoning powers….
also, the “right to work” states, in which union organizing is presented with more obstacles, are red. The federal Fair Labor Standards Act predominates in red states — that’s the federal law that allows overtime only after working over a cumulative 40 hours per week rather than over eight hours in one day.
California for example requires employers to pay OT after 8 hours, except in certain circumstances. This had been changed during Wilson’s term with a short term R legislature and it was, fortunately, one the things that Gray Davis got reversed. I think it was a big part of the R drive to recall him after his re-election because it would have been HUGE if Wilson’s change had stayed on the books. It would have been a big domino.
Has not the anti-union movement coincided with the globalization of labor? To what extent has corporate Amerika fed the myth of “right to work” as opposed to class conscienceness?
juslin @ 15
If people feel empowered, the fear factor doesn’t work as well.
I remember that when I first started teaching (1976), trash collectors were making more than teachers in San Francisco because of their powerful union.
my dad, the ee who worked for bell labs (pre-at&t breakup), particpated (on the managment side) several times in the contract negotiations with, i think, the CWA that were held every couple of years. i don’t remember much (i was very young – this was late ’60s / early ’70s), but one thing i do remember is my dad telling me that he was secretly on the side the of union… about how important they were and why he had all the benefits he did.
and i don’t think my dad was very progressive in his politics (he liked barry goldwater!)…
Unions need to save their money when it comes to supporting New Dem/Blue Dog types who may vote pro labor when something is delivered to the floor but in all actuality don’t provide leadership when NAFTAs hit the fan.
Also I think Labor should consider indirect failings of New Dem/Blue Dogs who support nearly a trillion dollar per year budgets on offense and defense.. who support Bush FISA and other anti civil liberty offenses, who don’t support net neutrality, support the Gonzo/Alito type of nominations.. who don’t clearly support single payer health care for all.. etc..
Some portion of these positions should be considered by Labor when considering the true value/sincerity of a politician.
Has not the anti-union movement coincided with the globalization of labor? To what extent has corporate Amerika fed the myth of “right to work” as opposed to class consciousness?
I wish for a revolution.
mothers
fathers
children
grandchildren and grandparents
all marching on the government, not to demand a piece of the pie, but to demand honesty and justice.
I need a hug…
Nonunion workers should also be reminded that their standard-of-working is higher because of unions. The list is long: 40-hour work week, regular breaks, minimum wage, employer-supplied health insurance, etc.
All because of unions. If unions go away, so will all of that, slowly but surely (much of it is already gone.)
The animosity toward unions is easy to explain, though: corruption. I remember in my youth when the corruption and mob associations in unions reached such an extent that people began to view unions as villains. So now, union = bad in the public’s subconscious whether or not that’s deserved.
One of the few places where unions are still strong is in the public sector.
I wonder how much of the anti-union fervor comes from the taxpayers who work in the private sector and see their retirement benefits and etc. drying up, while those who are in the public sector have really little fear of their benefits going away.
As a person who supports unions and one who has to pay my own medical insurance not to mention having nothing for retirement accrue from my work (except savings), it is hard to think about some of the people who are getting the benefits because they work in the public sector. Not because they worked hard necessarily or had much at risk during their working years. I also don’t mean that public workers have no job risks, but they don’t have to capitalize their enterprise, etc.
Twisted Martini @ 23
((((Twisted Martini))))
How long would it take for Walmart to buckle if the employees walked out en masse? Two days?
Unions are what gave us a middle class. Eliminate or marginalize unions and you have done the same to the middle class, replacing it with working poor – one disaster away from real poverty.
Twisted Martini @ 23
Okay, but only if you’re a union member…
Not really, TM, what’s the matter?
see at 24
Unions got a bad name in the 1960s because of their affiliation with organized crime.
Ian Welsh @ 11
It’s important to emphasize this, since going after the big money (along with saying and doing the things big money likes) is precisely the DLC strategy, and we all know how successful they’ve been in winning elections….
It’s hard for Dems to accept that the natural constituency of the `pugs traditionally is but 35-38% of registered voters, but they get really good turnout. The `pugs are motivated to do GOTV ops because of that natural disadvantage. After that, the air war pulls over enough independents and conservative Dems to give them the chance to get close enough to steal elections.
Boots on the ground get votes.
Jim Clausen @ 21
I say hell yes, absolutely. Right to Work is a right-wing misnomer – albeit an older soundbyte – from the people that brought us Clear Skies, NCLB and faith based initiatives. It is a union buster. Ian is the expert. He’s prolly typing up a really good answer.
bg @ 25
As a youngster I remember hearing “you’ll never get rich working a public sector job, but you’ll have security that you’ll never have in the private sector.”
Guess I’m either not much of a gambler or chicken. Although, I have been able to do some gambling in real estate, etc.
My dad was a union member…does that count? If there was a salesman’s union, I would be leading the charge.
We Suck.
Jonathan @ 14
i agree that votes matter.
the problem is that the 30 second tv ad (and the $ they require) has become a more important means of getting votes – and person to person organizing has become less important.
but organizing can overcome a $ differential – it’s just got to be big and effective.
Well done, Ian. I live in the south, where unions were always anathema. I never quite got why, and nobody wanted to talk about it to me. The only place I was ever offered a chance at union membership here was AT&T. I wish I had known then what I know now. Any attempt at education on this issue is quashed, sometimes through peer pressure and sometimes through rougher means. Divide and conquer, ya know.
I speak up for unions when the opportunity presents, and I ask questions like, “where do you think the 8 hour work day came from? employee insurance coverage and many labor rights that we take for granted? That’s the thing. People don’t remember their own history. It’s hard not to make mistakes when you’re trying to reinvent the wheel every day on the fly.
Twisted Martini @ 34
lmao
you need more than a hug, friend, you need a martini or two or four
I’m settling for a glass of wine or two.
as a person who’s worked in public(feds) and private sector..better benefits as a fed employee….
Twisted Martini @ 34
Look at it this way – at least your team didn’t get beaten 33-3 (hello – Notre Dame fans).
Hey, Twisted.
Great post, Ian – as ever!
I’ve heard the same contempt for unions for almost all my life.
[Much has been from faculty/ residents/ med students/ pre-meds attending publicly constructed and funded universities and public hospitals. Assholes.]
Though I’ve no evidence, i wonder if the contempt is more fear than envy.
In a society where income determines just about all life conditions, contempt “serves” to detach one from the next rung down on the economic ladder.
For those aspiring to middle-class lives they see as “beyond” the world of union families, the barrier puts them on the “upper” side.
Congress is a union. Why is a union good for them but no good for us? The best cradle-to- grave health care benefits, the ability to control their own wages and work schedule, paid vacations, travel expenses, sick leave, etc.
For those of ya who didn’t catch Bill Moyers last nite here’s a wonderful snippet:
BILL MOYERS: But the economic system doesn’t reflect this evolution. Outsourcing of jobs, the flight of capital, the power of capital over workers. All of that has– the system isn’t catching up this.
GRACE LEE BOGGS: Well– just– don’t expect the system to catch up, the system is part of the system! What I think is that, not since the 30s have American have the American people, the ordinary Americans faced such uncertainty with regard to the economic system. In the 30s, what we did, was we confronted management and were able, thereby to gain many advantages, particularly to gain a respect for the dignity of labor. That’s no longer possible today, because of the ability of corporations to fly all over the place and begin setting up– all this outsourcing. So, we’re gonna have – people are finding other ways to regain control over the way they make their living.
It was a wonderful show…!!!
Hackworth, I think Congress is not a Union. They are unified, but they vote their own contracts/wages (!) and set their own schedules. No negotiations.
Top labor fund recipients of the 2006 election cycle. Note Harold Ford is number 2!!
bg @ 45
That makes them the board of directors….
hackworth @ 32
Kirk at 42
I sense some anger.
isn’t big labor a component of the DLC??? talk about not looking out for your members…..WTF??
chris hedges makes the argument that the abandonment of the working class by the democrats, and the consequential economic hardship many communities are dealing with, is one of the driving forces of the fundamentalist “christian” political movement.
sometimes hardship can breed extremism.
….
if this is so, then it is just one more reason to HATE the dlc corporatists.
Today:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Bush administration can proceed with a plan to open the U.S. border to long haul Mexican trucks as early as next week after an appeals court rejected a bid by labor, consumer and environmental interests to block the initiative.
The Transportation Department welcomed the decision and said in a statement that allowing more direct shipments from Mexico will benefit U.S. consumers.
snip
juslin @ 50
Oh, yeah, the biggest unions have been co-opted to a degree by the DLC. Smaller unions, I think, have figured out what’s going on with that. It’s a bit like Lieberman’s “bipartisanship.” The big unions think they have to “work with” the DLC to maintain what benefits they still have.
ccmask @ 52
I just can’t see how this is a benefit to US, there are soo many valid objections. This really is a horrid administration
selise @ 51
selise,
Most every time I read your posts, I think you hit the nail on the head.
selise @ 35
See, I’m not sure this is true any more. It’s the conventional wisdom, but in fact, the number of undecideds (which is who most ads are aimed at) keeps getting smaller and smaller. You get less bang for your buck. My belief is that get out the base, and registration and building ground infrastructure the (the various living liberally for example, and the old Democratic clubs) is the way to go in the future.
People who don’t vote lean more left on average than those who do, and they are the field we should be organizing.
ccmask @ 52
Insane, hamstring the Teamsters… I wonder if the Mexican Insurance Companies will pay for the accidents… So much for cargo scrutiny… Hmmm.. I know I left a bunch out…!!! 8-(
One item I don’t see in union discussions is the distinction between the wage/benefit negotiations and the workrules. In my experience, the workrules inflexibility earned unions a bad reputation.
Another thing that some ’70s vintage unions did was take on paying members without particularly representing them, when the member employment was out of the mainstream.
That “knowledge worker” label just gives me the skeeves. It is one of the labels that my employer uses to draw the line between union and non-union, and none to subtlely.
OT- Craig hires Michael Vick’s attorney.
side note that didn’t make it into the post – the Roosvelt admin/New Dealers, encourage unionization big time. They knew who their allies were.
I have been saying for a while we have to change the way the debate is framed
it’s gonna be really easy to get people who think they are concervative voters to get on board with our point of view
all we have to do is remind them that corporations have to bargain for all the goods they require to produce their product
they don’t get to tell the steel suplier what they are going to pay, the steel supplier sets the price
the corporation can bargain that price lower but they do not set the price
the same needs to be true for labor, the corporation has no bussiness setting the price they pay for labor, they need to bargain and broker the best deal
laborers need to be able to form their own “corporation” that provides the service a corporation needs
I ask “anti union” advocates;
“why do you think labor shouldn’t be able to bargain for their product the way the steel industry does”
they have no answer, they all say “I never looked at it that way”
true, a corporation can get a raw deal, that isn’t good for either party, a raw deal for the laborer isn’t good for either party either
everyone does better when labor gets a fair price for their service and the corporation isn’t over paying
simple stuff here but it really has to be framed correctly
even though I love unions, I hate the word “union”…we need to use more descriptive terms
something like;
“laborers franchise”
of course I like “collective bargaining”
however the word “labor” right now has too much negative marketing it has to battle and we have to neutralize that marketing with new terminology
RickG @ 58
Yeah, workrules can be awful. In most cases where there are really bad cases of that, it has been because of real severe distrust between management and labor. Labor doesn’t trust management to be “fair” and as a result they try and legislate fairness in the contracts. And sadly, it never works. A boss can always find some way to be a jerk.
No question, unions had some awful excesses and there was a period of great corruption as well. But the stench from that period seems to have hung on long past the worst the of excesses.
CTuttle @ 57
Plus, will the trucks be inspected for safety? If so, by whom? What taxes will they pay to keep our roads and bridges maintained?
Ian Welsh @ 60
They also knew that it was an effective way to redistribute income and keep money moving in the economy, and undo one of the factors that contributed to the Depression.
selise @ 19
Selise – my dad (ee, then applied math) was also at bell labs (Murray Hill) back then. Man, what a company they were. He retired early (and is now 92), still gets his pension, good healthcare. Heck, until about 5 yrs ago, he got free long distance.
I was just working on this item for my scandals list. I haven’t even sent it off to selise yet. It seems appropriate here.
Unions are bashed by those who are supposed to protect labor interests in government and who are the people doing the bashing? They are cronies like Elaine Chao and Steven Law. Take home message: Unions are bad because they look out for workers. Cronyism is good because it helps the powerful take care of their friends.
montag @ 64
Yeah, the chasm between the have-mores and the have-nots!!!
Ian Welsh @ 56
hmmm… well, you make some good points. i’ll have to give this a re-think.
maybe it’s different on the local level vs the national level? because it does seem that money is the ticket to being taken seriously (see our presidential compaigns – we have front runners before any vote is cast)… but, of course that’s not the whole story… hmmm… more thinking required.
Bell Labs produced some great scientific discoveries.
1965 – Discovery of background radiation in the Universe.
Nobel prize.
Profound discovery.
selise @ 51
Stoking the embers of racism (that pre-existed in church) and class distinction by misrepresenting the facts, presenting false data, promoting fear of foreigners, running concurrently with union busting propaganda and anti-worker legislation (including right to work laws, offshore corporate tax loopholes and Free Trade agreements) pushed many intellectually challenged voters toward the Republican Party.
Then, Faith based initiatives gives money to churches that can be disbursed to worthy (R) voters.
under bushco we’re headed into 3rd world territory – it’ll be the extremely wealthy and the poor – no middle class and americans do not see the reality of this coming – they elect folk who kowtow to the money crowd – ergo formerly well-paying jobs outsourced…i fear for my grandchildren…..
CTuttle @ 57
Is it WalMart stuff coming in the trucks or veggies?
Jonathan @ 49
At ignorance (in the public univ folk seeking lucrative careers) and at the success of the pervasive PR/propaganda campaign that left the brainwashed meddies so ignorant and prejudiced.)
Of course, the megacorps’ heavy hitter for
propagandaPR is Burson-Marsteller…B-M and the like keep the megacorps’ Big Lie in fresh coats offearmessage.Oh – and Burson-Marsteller’s liar-in-chief?
He’s Mark Penn.
Hillary’s chief strategist.
Making her campaign safe for the megacorps.
Oh, and by the way.
The 3 guys who invented the transistor (and shared the Nobel prize for same) were from Bell Labs.
juslin @ 71
it helps knowing there will be Democratic Administration next time.
Hey Ian.
We grew up middle class Ohio Democrats who were taught to think of Labor as people prepared to sabotage vital services, and therefore bad. The idea that nurses, interns, teachers, or communications workers would even consider striking confirmed them as evil pure and simple.
Coal miners were viewed a little differently, these were nearby kinsmen who were clearly being treated in a shabby way by their bosses while they carried out their dangerous work. My grandfather escaped the mines and vowed for better among his descendants.
Any ideas on turning this around so we can develop a coalition strong enough to get these criminals out of office? [Not your Canadian criminals, that would presumably be a different post.]
kirk murphy @ 73
Hey, I hate Hillary too.
Loo Hoo. @ 63
Don’t forget cheap coke.
ccmask @ 72
No, Maytag washers and dryers, et al… Definitely some produce too, along with more aliens by Coyotes…!!!
ccmask, if the Mexican trucks are bringing in goods for Walmart and Kids R Us, it would put a lot of union dockworkers out of work, wouldn’t it? And what about the security checks that the dems are wanting for our ports?
Ian, let me tell you a story. I use to be a steelworker back in Indiana-at one of the big five steel companies in the nation. Jobs were reasonably high paid to steel workers, even starting wages, which is why people pursued those jobs. The area I was from then, contained 5 major steel mills around the southern tip of Lake Michigan, so the economy of the area was based on steel. When the steel mills went down due to strike or whatever, the whole area suffered.
On the other hand, most people were blue collar workers as opposed to white collar. But one year, in an exeptionally frigid winter, the already fairly high paid unionized meter readers from the utility company went out on strike. Not only were they asking for the sun, the moon and the stars money-wise, they also wanted it written into their contract that when the weather dipped below freezing, they didn’t have to work, but they would get paid for their time if they just showed up.
Steelworker and even teamsters have to work in freezing weather–you can’t shut the mills down because of inclement weather. If teamsters don’t work, they mostly don’t get paid. That’s also the case with most steelworkers. Besides that, it was rare to find too many people in the area that hadn’t had problems with their utility bills due to faulty meter reading. Utility bills were high enough and the way most people saw it, the meter readers already had premium wages compared to everyone else.
Most union people will support other unions. Most understand what it means to have scabs and anti-union tactics employed by the companies, as well as all the other problems of collective bargaining. But hardly anybody was willing to support these meter-readers. I’ll say no more. It’s just a story, although it is true. Draw your own conclusions. But just so you know, I am basically sympathetic to the union movement, but my theory is power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Sometimes you can get too much of even a good thing, although I will also say it does seem that the pendulum has swung too far in the wrong direction and people are now relearning that the hard way. Restaurant and hotel workers and others are probably going to have to fight some of the same battles other industries had to fight for collective bargaining rights. That’s really unfortunate.
CTuttle @ 79
not to mention road safety
“is dodd even campaigning in iowa?”
A little. He’s had commercials out for a few months now. But, it seems most of the commercials have disappeared in the past couple of weeks.
Here’s one issue that I have with unions…
In the state of Iowa, effective July 1, 2007, if you’re job is represented by a union, you pay union dues whether you belong to the union or not. I do not agree with this. So a lab tech that makes 22k a year, gross, is now required to fork over $35 a month. If that person is not a union member, they can’t get union support for x happening, yet they have to pay for it.
Those trucks won’t have to stop at the border. Hello Poppy.
GordonM @ 65
my dad passed away 2 years ago – but, yeah, great pension, good health care… and free long distance. and my dad retired early also, after over 37 years with them.
but he knew who to thank for his good beneifts – the union.. even though he was never a member.
AZ Ann At 81
We come from different backgrounds.
If I were to meet you in person today, I’d say, right on.
selise @ 85
Reinforcing that point that unions pull up wages and benefits for even non-union workers.
montag @ 87
they did where my dad worked. They kept the unions out by giving union wages and benefits.
Ann in AZ @ 81
Yah, there are always times when they overstep. There are a couple unions in Canada that I would, if I were in government, consider worth taking the hit to break. They really are asking for too much, and really won’t take “yes” for an answer (as in, you offer them a good contract they will walk and come back asking for more.)
See you later. Another lightning storm coming thru. Happy Labor Day Ian and thanks for the holiday post.
I belong to a union.
Ian Welsh @ 89
Yeah, nothing like ruining a good thing for a lot of other good people. I also wanted to state that I absolutely hate “right to work” laws including, no, especially the ones in Arizona.
In the state of Iowa, effective July 1, 2007, if you’re job is represented by a union, you pay union dues whether you belong to the union or not. I do not agree with this. So a lab tech that makes 22k a year, gross, is now required to fork over $35 a month. If that person is not a union member, they can’t get union support for x happening, yet they have to pay for it.
I think that’s a really good thing. Non-union members enjoy the perks, and should pay their share. I know the dues are high, but as a union they have more power than as individuals. I’m sure that if they choose not to join the union, they can give an equal amount to a charity instead. It’s called a closed shop.
hackworth @ 70
It is unclear how much money went through the Office of Faith Based Initiatives. Like so much else in the Bush Administration it was a Rove con. Some faith based groups have been receiving money from the government for years. This was counted in the totals. I am sure some new money entered the program but probably not that much and probably mostly for show. “Faith based” was only something that was trotted out at election time for the Republican base. As far as I can tell, it was never a serious effort.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
Heh, ‘closed shop’, speaks volumes…!!!
Just FWIW
In the summer of 1965, I worked in a union shop doing piece work. In Aurora, Illinois. While in college.
Management: do piece work.
Union: Don’t produce more than the established limit of piece work per hour.
Union: Must pay us dues, even if you don’t belong to the union.
Ann in AZ @ 81
yep. but distributed power is better than concentrated power. when unions have no power, then the corporations have it all.
selise @ 68
Freakonomics (IIRC) pokes a pretty good hole in the $ is all that counts argument. Getting elected brings you $, and incumbency usually gets you re-elected, but those are both side effects of being in office. All the $ in the world won’t win you an open seat if the voters like the other guy more.
Since it is Labor Day Weekend, I wanted to give a shout out to the 4,000 coal miners who die in China every year. May someday you get a union and the death stop.
My theory [on the Dodd endorsement]? It’s a case of the Althusserian “absent center” with Dodd as the donut hole.
The Firefighters don’t want to make the “wrong” choice between the three candidate that can win — Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.
They like Edwards like the rest of the movement but don’t think he’s going to win, and don’t want to piss off the Hillary machine.
I suspect a similar thing will happen with the evangelicals on the GOP side. They’ll endorse a third-tier guy like Brownback, and then endorse the eventual winner.
selise @ 97
As Marcy, adroitly highlights about the Dukester and Tony K… “–it really makes me wonder how many of the rest of the Congressmen on the House Intelligence Committee are getting bribes from people who want to “tell them information that I was gathering from all over the world.” Porter Goss, of course, had to step down as DCI because of his ties to Cunningham’s corrupt buddies. And Rick Renzi has some legal problems of his own.”
Marcy rules…!!!
“I’m sure that if they choose not to join the union, they can give an equal amount to a charity instead.”
No, they can’t. They must have their wages deducted and given to the union and get no union representation unless they sign the papers joining. Yes, they do get the benefits of wage and benefit packages, but they do not get *any* support for ‘disputs’, safety concerns, or anything else.
The $35/mo quote is only for the lab techs at the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. I have no idea what dues are for other unions.
Slow night
my platform:
fund promising thinking
make sure all public schools emphasise math, english, science, and physical education
Jonathan @ 96
so, the corporation brokered a bad deal with the union…what else is new?
when they buy bad steel, who pays for that?
they do or their product sucks
same thing…unions cannot have all the power, corporations cannot have all the power
a corporation must broker a deal that gives them the production they need, the quality they need, the volume they need
labor must broker a deal that gives them the funds they need to put food on the table for their family, save for college for all of their children, provide health car for their kids, their wife, themselves, take a vacation, and save for retiirement
hopefully save a little more to try their hand at investment and possibly open their own bussiness
they must have the oportunity to give higher production and make extra money to drive this type of economic growth
labor has to be willing to give corporations production and corporations have to be willing to pay for added production
these are all worked out in the bargaining process
they have to broker adaquate contracts
Freakonomics (IIRC) pokes a pretty good hole in the $ is all that counts argument. Getting elected brings you $, and incumbency usually gets you re-elected, but those are both side effects of being in office. All the $ in the world won’t win you an open seat if the voters like the other guy more.
The money will buy you enough ads to make them like you more and not like the other guy much at all. It’ll buy the teevee broadcasting corporations and their news shows that will inform the viewers that you won the debates b/c the other guy appeared to be too smart. It’ll tell voters that your opponent looks French and you’re the kind of guy they’d like to have a beer with.
perris at 104
I didn’t think about it in your depth. Just resentment.
For me, it was labor for a certain reward. To pay for college.
hackworth @ 105
Except that Freakonomics analyzed a bunch of open-seat races and found that money doesn’t much matter.
Jonathan @ 106
I know jonathin, that’s the point
it’s all how the discusion is framed
of COURSE their are times when the union swings too heavy a hand, holds more power then they should
we really HAVE to be against that as well, but we are labor, we bargain for the correct market value of our wares
the corporation has to bargain for everything they buy, they have to get a good deal, they want to pay less then market value of course but the provider deals with them and both wind up making a profit
both have to survive
a person must be able to do all the things I noted;
put healthy food on the table
give everyone in their family health care, fix their broken arm, mend their teeth, etc
save to put whichever of their kids qualify for college through higher education
be able to take a vacation with their family
be able to afford to retire without saddling their kids or government for funds
these things are neccessary for our economy to grow
christine, I know in California is it unlawful to require membership. Some people don’t join on religious grounds, supposedly. Can’t imagine what religion that is, though…
Loo Hoo. @ 109
The law is not requiring membership to a union. It is only requiring that all employees pay up. They can still choose to join or not.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
If people can opt out, unions are powerless. It’s just that simple. You get the benefits of the contract whether you belong or not, so most people would choose not to pay.
Thank you, Ian, for another enlightening essay.
Ian Welsh @ 111
If the unions can force employees to pay up, whether the employee wants to join the union or not, then the union had better damn well represent the employee in all aspects of employment, not just at the bargaining table.
This is why the Republicans and the Bush WH want to reduce Unions. Right now the current mantra is to utilize China’s vast resource of manpower to put pressure on Unionization.
For example; The Bush WH is planning to fund a railroad in Mongolia to transport raw materials from Russia and Mongolia to China. see Mongolia’s proposal at http://www.mcc.gov.
christine @ 113
If you don’t want to join, you don’t get full benefits. Unless they’re refusing to let you join? From what you say it’s your choice not to join, not theirs not to have you.
Workrules can be maddening, but they are there for a reason.
When people complain about workrules, I ask them this question: Suppose your boss said to you ‘Someone threw up in the restroom. Get in there and clean it up. And don’t give me any bs about your job description’.
Ian Welsh @ 115
But, they are still forced to pay the dues, whether they join or not.
bg @ 25
Adequate wages and benefits in public sector jobs is also a result of New Deal philosophy. The government exists to serve the people, and if a living wage is a government objective, the government needs to take the lead by paying adequate wages for public employees. Your private sector job would pay less without the competition from government jobs. The “privatization” of government functions by Republicans is as much–actually more–about lowering wages in the private sector as it is about lowering taxes.
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BTW, Philip Morris acquired Kraft foods for $12.9 billion in 1988, and eventually merged it with General Foods, then they acquired Nabisco in 2000. So, the leading Homeland tobacco company, owns all our crapola food. Figures.
Involuntary union membership and dues payment are galling to a lot of people.
One way to look at it is that unless you’re an owner/employer/manager, you’re a member of the working class, like it or not. It’s kind of like being a citizen of a nation, entitled to the benefits, but also subject to the burdens.
Instead of wasting time and money on “candidates” the left would be far better served by expending our efforts on organizing labor. Unions are the one thing the wingnuts truly fear.
Christine @ 83, 102, 113, 117
I was once a union member, what your “burr under the sadle” is about is that there is a “cost” involved in creating the contract you are working under (as well as benefiting from). It appears that the cost is <2% of the gross wage, not a particularly heavy cost as administrative costs can be. It is by your statements, your choice not to become a member of the union which means it is your choice NOT to have a voice in that organization and consequently imput into their barganing process. If the employer absolutely violated the contract, that union would be all over the employers case, but if you are not, by choice, a member of the union, you will probably not be kept informed, that is the consequence of your choice. Cry that you are abused, try working in a “right to work” state, you would be lucky to get 12K a year for the same work – I would guess. Seriously EPU’d
Arnie @ 123
This is in a ‘right to work’ state. Yes, I’m aware of ‘overhead’ costs of the union and yes, I know what unions have done for this country. But, I still don’t get where they can take your money, but not represent you in all aspects of the place of employment/terms of contract. It’s like they want the money, but only 50% of the work.
“Unions provide organizing space, they provide media surrogates, they conduct training, they support think tanks and so on. They provide a lot of the infrastructure that keeps the party going – and that pushes the party to pursue liberal and populist policies when in office.”
It’s not just the unions – it’s the continuing strength of the organizing skills at the local and state level. Media politics has undercut this essential process of local organizing and Dems have paid the price because the Repugs latched onto the Christian Right to do this for them (and the faith-based initiative has continued to fund them). This is why Dean’s 50 State Strategy is so important to start and continue building the party infrastructure at local and state level, particularly in red states that are still voting 40-49% Democratic. (Hillary has not yet accepted this and is still counting on big money/media.)
The local strategy has a double whammy because it also gets Dems and Progressives elected at the local and state level which continues to build party strength over the long haul. Lasting change happens from the bottom up-not top down.
One example of how this is working on state level is in SC – where the SC Dems are coalitioning with the Universal Health Care initiative, which is bringing people who think health care is important, including small business leaders, into the democratic fold.
And once you’re working with people on an issue you care about, trust builds, and educating them about others is lots easier.
Unions served much of this purpose in manufacturing states in the past but with the outsourcing of those jobs – they’ve had nowhere to go. I agree it’s time to get a new ‘union label’ but we must continue to tap the organizing skills around the important issues: environmental groups, global warming, children’s health, protecting SS/pensions, etc. Coalition-building is all about finding common ground – and the Dem priorities give the focus for that search.
Remember: the bottom line is “all politics is local.”
ccmask @ 72
The problem with Mexican trucks on our highways is that they load them up with three trailers. Sounds good until you realize that the trailers going over the road start this rocking motion that bangs the hell outa the pavement – which is one reason their roads are all torn up. To allow them to drive on our roads like that will cost mucho bucks from our taxpayers to repair all the freeways. Another reason that Walmart is not really cheap.
Just FWIW
In the summer of 1965, I worked in a union shop doing piece work. In Aurora, Illinois. While in college.
Management: do piece work.
Union: Don’t produce more than the established limit of piece work per hour.
Union: Must pay us dues, even if you don’t belong to the union.
The reason that most unions try to limit the piecework is so that the company cannot take the fastest worker and make that the new benchmark. This is what they did early on in China. They just keep speeding up the line, and burning out the employees. The young girls who work the lines in China start in their teens, and are discarded within ten years or so – too broken with repetitive stress to work any more.
The movie: Take This Job and Shove It! did a great job outlining this problem. We in america see this in the deep south chicken processing factories, where the women dressing chickens are unable at 25 to pick up their babies or their groceries because of Repetitive Stress.
Perhaps we need a movie marathon –
1. Take this job and shove it
2. Network
3. On the Waterfront
4. Good Night and Good Luck
5. Red State
6. Inconvient Truth
7. Erin Brockovich
…any other ones I forgot??
Jonathan @ 55
When the only tool you have is a hammer, every thing (every solution) looks like a nail.
Organized Labor is in trouble of its own making as a supporter of it I have watched for years as it ignores people who want to start Unions and participate in Unions I know for a fact at least ten people that have written to various local, regional and national unions and have been ignored they didn’t have enough members etc. etc. etc.. Same old story if you can’t make headlines have 10,000 members and raise 1,000,000 dollars a week the UNION wants NOTHING to do with you. The union is about money money for them it is about vacations vacations for them and it is about power, power for them, much like the republicans they care NOTHING for anyone other then themselves and how the system serves them and generates money for them.
So please do not whine and cry about the Unions and the Democrats they are there to serve their own purposes we as supporters and believers are just stepping stones nothing more oops! I forgot their bankers they do want us ONLY for our money.
Unions are unpopular due in part to relentless media hostility which promotes the middle class contempt that Ian mentions.
Unions also tend to be undemocratic, which engenders corruption, alienates union members, and creates negative word-of-mouth among unorganized blue and pink collar workers.
We need national laws making union membership the default setting, and requiring uniform by-laws that will guarantee internal union democracy.