Comments on: Larry Craig: Gone But Not Forgotten http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:59:14 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: sumpls http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938473 sumpls Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:37:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938473 <p>well, at least Coleman was useful for something.</p> well, at least Coleman was useful for something.

]]> By: spark http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938357 spark Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:13:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938357 <p>How about this theory</p> <p>The top person at Norm Coleman’s Minnesota office was previously the head of the Metropolitan Airport Commission which oversees the Minneapolis/St. Paul Airport. She found out about this and the arrest, etc. slowly but surely made its way to Roll Call. </p> <p>Remember - Coleman was one of the first senators to call for Craig’s resignation.</p> How about this theory

The top person at Norm Coleman’s Minnesota office was previously the head of the Metropolitan Airport Commission which oversees the Minneapolis/St. Paul Airport. She found out about this and the arrest, etc. slowly but surely made its way to Roll Call.

Remember – Coleman was one of the first senators to call for Craig’s resignation.

]]> By: sumpls http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938345 sumpls Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:07:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938345 <p>Just to close the gate, it appeared in an Idaho newspaper first, was picked up by those tentacled by MSM to monitor said papers. Why it ‘came out’almost 6 meeks after the fact is a mystery.<br /> I agree with the law enforcement assessment that this does not fall into any ‘gay’ catagory, but falls into ‘perversion’ catagory since it was a public restroom and a total stranger: it is the risk, novelty, and danger that is the motivator here. There is also an old-boy mentality: “I have the right to use someone else because they are lesser than I”.<br /> I thought the taped interview only showed how pathetic a men the senator was. The explanations were so implausible. The details he spoke of so ridiculous and just weird.<br /> WHen I was young, back in the 70’s, this sort of propositioning and weird perverse encounter thing happened to me whenever I went somewhere alone. Understand perversion- it is a strange compulsion of some (usually old) men involving stalking, ploys to gain domination of the victim’s attention, ritualistic movements, talk, or gestures. Bingo here.<br /> I just hope the security officer isn’t disrespected further through all this.<br /> When mothers travel with their children, they want to know that their kids can use the public restroom without some lude experience to tarnish the entire adventure they planned for the kids in the first place.<br /> It’s truly shameful how the Rightwing is spinning this, since they seem to tolerate pedophilia and prostitution otherwise. Huh.</p> Just to close the gate, it appeared in an Idaho newspaper first, was picked up by those tentacled by MSM to monitor said papers. Why it ‘came out’almost 6 meeks after the fact is a mystery.
I agree with the law enforcement assessment that this does not fall into any ‘gay’ catagory, but falls into ‘perversion’ catagory since it was a public restroom and a total stranger: it is the risk, novelty, and danger that is the motivator here. There is also an old-boy mentality: “I have the right to use someone else because they are lesser than I”.
I thought the taped interview only showed how pathetic a men the senator was. The explanations were so implausible. The details he spoke of so ridiculous and just weird.
WHen I was young, back in the 70’s, this sort of propositioning and weird perverse encounter thing happened to me whenever I went somewhere alone. Understand perversion- it is a strange compulsion of some (usually old) men involving stalking, ploys to gain domination of the victim’s attention, ritualistic movements, talk, or gestures. Bingo here.
I just hope the security officer isn’t disrespected further through all this.
When mothers travel with their children, they want to know that their kids can use the public restroom without some lude experience to tarnish the entire adventure they planned for the kids in the first place.
It’s truly shameful how the Rightwing is spinning this, since they seem to tolerate pedophilia and prostitution otherwise. Huh.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938101 cinnamonape Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:20:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938101 <p><a href="#comment-937987"><em>desertwind @ 130</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Jane, I’m really, really curious who tipped off Roll Call and why they chose that media outlet.</p></blockquote> <p>Good point…it wouldn’t be my first, second or tenth choice of a leak.</p> <p>It sounds like someone within the beltway. Roll Call is the Insiders gossip rag for those INSIDE the Beltway. It’s not even the WashPo or WashMoon in terms of having some external content.</p> <p>My theory…Craig tried calling someone with the Republican Minnesota Congressional Delegation to “fix things” with a misdemeanor that happened at the Minneapolis Airport. Either that person, or someone on their staff…or the staff of someone THEY called in the Minnesoata Governor’s office got curious about what the crime was…pulled the court documents and said “Whooooooeeeee!”</p> <p>Then they called “Roll Call”</p> desertwind @ 130

Jane, I’m really, really curious who tipped off Roll Call and why they chose that media outlet.

Good point…it wouldn’t be my first, second or tenth choice of a leak.

It sounds like someone within the beltway. Roll Call is the Insiders gossip rag for those INSIDE the Beltway. It’s not even the WashPo or WashMoon in terms of having some external content.

My theory…Craig tried calling someone with the Republican Minnesota Congressional Delegation to “fix things” with a misdemeanor that happened at the Minneapolis Airport. Either that person, or someone on their staff…or the staff of someone THEY called in the Minnesoata Governor’s office got curious about what the crime was…pulled the court documents and said “Whooooooeeeee!”

Then they called “Roll Call”

]]> By: Anok http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938081 Anok Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:00:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938081 <p><a href="#comment-937320"><em>newtonusr @ 123</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-937312"><em>Anok @ 122</em></a></p> <blockquote> <p>Perhaps however, this is the precise reason for calling for such a revolution. It was written by our forefathers that if we (the people) felt our government is no longer representing us, or become a danger to us, it is our <i>duty</i> to overthrow it and reinstate a new government as we see fit. </p> <p>I forget the actual quote, so forgive me for that. However restricting our rights in the manner you’ve mentioned (plus the manner in which everyone else is just starting to notice) and a myriad of other human, political and foreign rights being trampled on….</p> <p>Its time.</p></blockquote> <p>“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”</p></blockquote> <p>Thank you! It was late when I posted, and I had a headache. LOL!</p> newtonusr @ 123

Anok @ 122

Perhaps however, this is the precise reason for calling for such a revolution. It was written by our forefathers that if we (the people) felt our government is no longer representing us, or become a danger to us, it is our duty to overthrow it and reinstate a new government as we see fit.

I forget the actual quote, so forgive me for that. However restricting our rights in the manner you’ve mentioned (plus the manner in which everyone else is just starting to notice) and a myriad of other human, political and foreign rights being trampled on….

Its time.

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Thank you! It was late when I posted, and I had a headache. LOL!

]]> By: joel mael http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938050 joel mael Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:11:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938050 <p>[<em>Mod Note: Edited by Mod for length. To help keep the FDL servers running smoothly and to avoid any copyright issues, please do not post entire articles — include a link instead. Thank you.</em>]</p> <p>Brilliant comment on how critical it is that MEN be protected from unwanted sexual advances.</p> <p>Esquivalience<br /> Wednesday, August 29, 2007<br /> On playing footsie with cops<br /> Or, “But My Entire World is Like an Airport Men’s Room in Minneapolis!”</p> <p>I have several reactions to the soon-to-be-ex-Senator Craig “scandal”:</p> <p>(1) I don’t like my news pre-Onionized for me. Really, I find it surreal and disconcerting to have senators talking about the width of their bathroom stances. Is it too much to ask for a sliver of a partition between news and satire?</p> <p>[MOD snip; <a href="http://subcontinentaldrift.blogspot.com/2007/08/on-playing-footsie-with-cops.html">Linky</a>]</p> [Mod Note: Edited by Mod for length. To help keep the FDL servers running smoothly and to avoid any copyright issues, please do not post entire articles — include a link instead. Thank you.]

Brilliant comment on how critical it is that MEN be protected from unwanted sexual advances.

Esquivalience
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
On playing footsie with cops
Or, “But My Entire World is Like an Airport Men’s Room in Minneapolis!”

I have several reactions to the soon-to-be-ex-Senator Craig “scandal”:

(1) I don’t like my news pre-Onionized for me. Really, I find it surreal and disconcerting to have senators talking about the width of their bathroom stances. Is it too much to ask for a sliver of a partition between news and satire?

[MOD snip; Linky]

]]> By: Indigowatcher http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938035 Indigowatcher Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:47:45 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-938035 <p>Wow, I finally get a major tactic in the Republican playbook:<br /> Keep your eyes open for damning revelations on “friends”, then use this damning information to cut those friends’ throats with it. I bet Bush knew about Craig’s gay-ish-ness for years and saved that juicy little bit of info for the day that Craig crossed him. Is THAT a major way BushCo has been keeping Con-gress in charge? Through blackmail?!</p> Wow, I finally get a major tactic in the Republican playbook:
Keep your eyes open for damning revelations on “friends”, then use this damning information to cut those friends’ throats with it. I bet Bush knew about Craig’s gay-ish-ness for years and saved that juicy little bit of info for the day that Craig crossed him. Is THAT a major way BushCo has been keeping Con-gress in charge? Through blackmail?!

]]> By: desertwind http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-937987 desertwind Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:47:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-937987 <p>Jane, I’m really, really curious who tipped off Roll Call and why they chose that media outlet.</p> Jane, I’m really, really curious who tipped off Roll Call and why they chose that media outlet.

]]> By: Judy Reuter http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-937910 Judy Reuter Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:21:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-937910 <p><a href="#comment-936788"><em>TheOtherWA @ 19</em></a></p> <blockquote><blockquote>Bush is also angry with Craig, a conservative who joined with Democrats in a filibuster to defeat permanent renewal of the Patriot Act. As a meeting recently, Bush referred to Craig as “a goddamned traitor” and told the National Republican Senatorial Committee <b>to start recruiting someone to run against the Idaho Senator in 2008.</b></blockquote> <p>DING! DING! DING!</p> <p>That’s the real reason he’s being booted, the arrest and guilty plea are just the excuse. This also explains why the arrest was kept quiet until the day it was needed, when Gonzo resigned. And what shiny object has the media been following all week, rather than examine the meltdown at the DOJ? </p> <p>This smells like Rove from top to bottom. (Eww, sorry. Didn’t mean to gross out anyone.) </p></blockquote> <p>They could’ve ‘Wellstoned’ him, he ought to be thankful. Could it be this is the reason the Dems are so afraid? Or maybe ‘everyone’ is afraid of ‘these guys’ today.</p> TheOtherWA @ 19

Bush is also angry with Craig, a conservative who joined with Democrats in a filibuster to defeat permanent renewal of the Patriot Act. As a meeting recently, Bush referred to Craig as “a goddamned traitor” and told the National Republican Senatorial Committee to start recruiting someone to run against the Idaho Senator in 2008.

DING! DING! DING!

That’s the real reason he’s being booted, the arrest and guilty plea are just the excuse. This also explains why the arrest was kept quiet until the day it was needed, when Gonzo resigned. And what shiny object has the media been following all week, rather than examine the meltdown at the DOJ?

This smells like Rove from top to bottom. (Eww, sorry. Didn’t mean to gross out anyone.)

They could’ve ‘Wellstoned’ him, he ought to be thankful. Could it be this is the reason the Dems are so afraid? Or maybe ‘everyone’ is afraid of ‘these guys’ today.

]]> By: gallery http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-937731 gallery Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:50:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/01/larry-craig-gone-but-not-forgotten/#comment-937731 <p>Sara @ #108 seems well informed, and IMO nailed it.<br /> There is a Mc’Donalds (known for years, as a notorious cruising spot) right off of my nearest parkway exit.<br /> It is CONSTANTLY checked for lewd behavior because of complaints about creepy activity.<br /> I don’t cruise for sex in bathrooms, and yet, even I know about how prevalent it is there.<br /> I guess my point is, there are KNOWN places to pick someone up. It’s not as random as the good senator would like you to believe.<br /> It’s simply unbelievable to think that “entrapment” would be floated on this one. He was looking for sex, and he got caught. The actual sex act has nothing to do with actively seeking it in a public place like an AIRPORT ! What an idiot.</p> Sara @ #108 seems well informed, and IMO nailed it.
There is a Mc’Donalds (known for years, as a notorious cruising spot) right off of my nearest parkway exit.
It is CONSTANTLY checked for lewd behavior because of complaints about creepy activity.
I don’t cruise for sex in bathrooms, and yet, even I know about how prevalent it is there.
I guess my point is, there are KNOWN places to pick someone up. It’s not as random as the good senator would like you to believe.
It’s simply unbelievable to think that “entrapment” would be floated on this one. He was looking for sex, and he got caught. The actual sex act has nothing to do with actively seeking it in a public place like an AIRPORT ! What an idiot.

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